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Before the big bang...an illustraation

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First post2018-07-07 12:19 -0700
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  Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-07 12:19 -0700
    Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 12:38 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-11 14:15 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 15:29 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-18 19:18 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:23 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 15:47 -0700
    Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-07 17:08 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 18:45 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-14 15:32 -0500
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-14 13:36 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 17:11 -0400
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-14 14:15 -0700
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-15 11:15 -0700
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-15 13:32 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-08 13:13 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 13:40 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-08 17:30 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 18:19 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 16:03 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-07 16:10 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-07 16:58 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-07-09 17:30 +1000
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-09 18:11 +1000
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-09 11:21 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-17 10:08 -0500
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-18 16:19 +1000
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 15:38 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-07 15:54 -0700
        Without entropy, there's neither space nor time. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-09 18:00 -0700
          Re: Without entropy, there's neither space nor time. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-09 18:20 -0700
    Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-11 12:12 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 13:54 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-15 16:04 -0500
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-15 15:30 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-12 19:03 +1000
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-13 09:56 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-13 12:34 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-14 00:15 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-14 12:52 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-14 10:45 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-15 11:24 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustration mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-15 13:33 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-17 15:19 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustration benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 20:35 -0400
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustration Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-18 20:46 -0500
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:28 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 00:34 -0700
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustration benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 12:14 -0400
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 12:09 -0700
                  Re: Before the big bang...an illustration benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 19:17 -0400
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:38 -0700
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustration Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-07 22:30 +0200
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-15 13:51 -0700

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#692971 — Before the big bang...an illustraation

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-07 12:19 -0700
SubjectBefore the big bang...an illustraation
Message-ID<5B41124A.4AE0@ix.netcom.com>
If you want to know 
how it looked 
before the big bang..
an illustration of it
if you will..

it looks like
that painting
"Stary Night", or
a current photo
of Jupiter's clouds.


Before the big bang
you can see
Time
Gravity
Space
Energy
all in
clouds of swirls.

And beneath the fields of
swirling clouds..
it's filled with stars.


The Starmaker

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#692974

FromAlan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-07 12:38 -0700
Message-ID<34563f46-dcf3-4737-9ae3-7810cd2452c4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692971
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:20:56 AM UTC-10, The Starmaker wrote:
> If you want to know 
> how it looked 
> before the big bang..
> an illustration of it
> if you will..
> 
> it looks like
> that painting
> "Stary Night", or
> a current photo
> of Jupiter's clouds.
> 
> 
> Before the big bang
> you can see
> Time
> Gravity
> Space
> Energy
> all in
> clouds of swirls.
> 
> And beneath the fields of
> swirling clouds..
> it's filled with stars.
> 
> 
> The Starmaker

That's real pretty.

I imagine an eternity of small spaces between stuff getting bigger.
Then, a gamma ray big bang created the galaxies out of dark matter.
No witnesses, though.

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#693636

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-07-11 14:15 -0700
Message-ID<pi5s13$g8k$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#692974
On 7/7/2018 12:38 PM, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:20:56 AM UTC-10, The Starmaker wrote:
>> If you want to know
>> how it looked
>> before the big bang..
>> an illustration of it
>> if you will..
>>
>> it looks like
>> that painting
>> "Stary Night", or
>> a current photo
>> of Jupiter's clouds.
>>
>>
>> Before the big bang
>> you can see
>> Time
>> Gravity
>> Space
>> Energy
>> all in
>> clouds of swirls.
>>
>> And beneath the fields of
>> swirling clouds..
>> it's filled with stars.
>>
>>
>> The Starmaker
> 
> That's real pretty.
> 
> I imagine an eternity of small spaces between stuff getting bigger.
> Then, a gamma ray big bang created the galaxies out of dark matter.
> No witnesses, though.
> 

The following video is fairly nice, however it does not deal with things 
before the big bang:

https://youtu.be/xp-8HysWkxw

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#693647

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-11 15:29 -0700
Message-ID<340acd81-1cd0-4831-9be2-5dfd7a0eb2b2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693636
On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/7/2018 12:38 PM, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:20:56 AM UTC-10, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> If you want to know
> >> how it looked
> >> before the big bang..
> >> an illustration of it
> >> if you will..
> >>
> >> it looks like
> >> that painting
> >> "Stary Night", or
> >> a current photo
> >> of Jupiter's clouds.
> >>
> >>
> >> Before the big bang
> >> you can see
> >> Time
> >> Gravity
> >> Space
> >> Energy
> >> all in
> >> clouds of swirls.
> >>
> >> And beneath the fields of
> >> swirling clouds..
> >> it's filled with stars.
> >>
> >>
> >> The Starmaker
> > 
> > That's real pretty.
> > 
> > I imagine an eternity of small spaces between stuff getting bigger.
> > Then, a gamma ray big bang created the galaxies out of dark matter.
> > No witnesses, though.
> > 
> 
> The following video is fairly nice, however it does not deal with things 
> before the big bang:
> 
> https://youtu.be/xp-8HysWkxw

If it is an absolute beginning of time there is no physical before.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#694564

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Date2018-07-18 19:18 -0700
Message-ID<piosdn$kha$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#693647
On 7/11/2018 3:29 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/7/2018 12:38 PM, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:20:56 AM UTC-10, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> If you want to know
>>>> how it looked
>>>> before the big bang..
>>>> an illustration of it
>>>> if you will..
>>>>
>>>> it looks like
>>>> that painting
>>>> "Stary Night", or
>>>> a current photo
>>>> of Jupiter's clouds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before the big bang
>>>> you can see
>>>> Time
>>>> Gravity
>>>> Space
>>>> Energy
>>>> all in
>>>> clouds of swirls.
>>>>
>>>> And beneath the fields of
>>>> swirling clouds..
>>>> it's filled with stars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Starmaker
>>>
>>> That's real pretty.
>>>
>>> I imagine an eternity of small spaces between stuff getting bigger.
>>> Then, a gamma ray big bang created the galaxies out of dark matter.
>>> No witnesses, though.
>>>
>>
>> The following video is fairly nice, however it does not deal with things
>> before the big bang:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/xp-8HysWkxw
> 
> If it is an absolute beginning of time there is no physical before.

Our time, or are we partitioned into some other beings sense of time?

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#694587

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-18 22:23 -0700
Message-ID<5B502051.3550@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#694564
Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> On 7/11/2018 3:29 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 7/7/2018 12:38 PM, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:20:56 AM UTC-10, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> If you want to know
> >>>> how it looked
> >>>> before the big bang..
> >>>> an illustration of it
> >>>> if you will..
> >>>>
> >>>> it looks like
> >>>> that painting
> >>>> "Stary Night", or
> >>>> a current photo
> >>>> of Jupiter's clouds.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Before the big bang
> >>>> you can see
> >>>> Time
> >>>> Gravity
> >>>> Space
> >>>> Energy
> >>>> all in
> >>>> clouds of swirls.
> >>>>
> >>>> And beneath the fields of
> >>>> swirling clouds..
> >>>> it's filled with stars.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The Starmaker
> >>>
> >>> That's real pretty.
> >>>
> >>> I imagine an eternity of small spaces between stuff getting bigger.
> >>> Then, a gamma ray big bang created the galaxies out of dark matter.
> >>> No witnesses, though.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The following video is fairly nice, however it does not deal with things
> >> before the big bang:
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/xp-8HysWkxw
> >
> > If it is an absolute beginning of time there is no physical before.
> 
> Our time, or are we partitioned into some other beings sense of time?


I thought i explained it all already...


absolute beginning of time is time that moves in one direction...forward.


Before the big bang time didn't move in any direction...it was eternal time.


So, there was no before direction..or after. 


The beginning is when...'something' started. What started? Time moved forward...


I mean, this is simple stuff...don't yous understand ...arrow of time?

One way ticket.

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#697502

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-07 15:47 -0700
Message-ID<27cd822b-31a2-4d6f-ba12-46cc14acc07e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#692974
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:38:30 PM UTC-7, Alan Folmsbee wrote:
> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 9:20:56 AM UTC-10, The Starmaker wrote:
> > If you want to know 
> > how it looked 
> > before the big bang..
> > an illustration of it
> > if you will..
> > 
> > it looks like
> > that painting
> > "Stary Night", or
> > a current photo
> > of Jupiter's clouds.
> > 
> > 
> > Before the big bang
> > you can see
> > Time
> > Gravity
> > Space
> > Energy
> > all in
> > clouds of swirls.
> > 
> > And beneath the fields of
> > swirling clouds..
> > it's filled with stars.
> > 
> > 
> > The Starmaker
> 
> That's real pretty.
> 
> I imagine an eternity of small spaces between stuff getting bigger.
> Then, a gamma ray big bang created the galaxies out of dark matter.
> No witnesses, though.

More space in quantum realm when you relate it to the size of its particles(i read that)If I lived in quantum realm and thought of the macro realm I would say it was crazy thinking.Fusion Stars Galaxies,Nebular,Explosions,BHs etc.WOW how crazy can this thinking get? Bert

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#693035

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-07 17:08 -0700
Message-ID<5B41561B.70EC@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#692971
mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> Big Bang 0


where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..

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#693044

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-07 18:45 -0700
Message-ID<bfbe6408-0369-4c6a-b729-515a8d83dd3b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693035
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > Big Bang 0
> 
> 
> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..

God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
There is No Physical beforeness...

Big Bang 0


Mitchell Raemsch

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#693899

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-07-14 15:32 -0500
Message-ID<pidmkj$pig$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693044
On 7/7/2018 8:45 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
>>> Big Bang 0
>>
>>
>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> 
> God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
> There is No Physical beforeness...
> 
> Big Bang 0
> 
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
> 

yes, the big bang started at time 0

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#693900

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-14 13:36 -0700
Message-ID<cbbedd41-a7cf-4d6f-81ec-03ec11906e10@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693899
On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 1:32:24 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/7/2018 8:45 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> >>> Big Bang 0
> >>
> >>
> >> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> > 
> > God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
> > There is No Physical beforeness...
> > 
> > Big Bang 0
> > 
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> > 
> 
> yes, the big bang started at time 0

So you are conceding Roy  Masters?

Mitchell Raemsch

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#693906

Frombenj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Date2018-07-14 17:11 -0400
Message-ID<pidouc$sq5$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693899
On 7/14/2018 4:32 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/7/2018 8:45 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
>>>> Big Bang 0
>>>
>>>
>>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
>>
>> God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
>> There is No Physical beforeness...
>>
>> Big Bang 0
>>
>>
>> Mitchell Raemsch
>>
> 
> yes, the big bang started at time 0
> 
And the way you and Mitch know time had a beginning is?
(I bet Starfaker or Rolf told you so)
Big bang is bogus.

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#693909

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-14 14:15 -0700
Message-ID<8fd7959a-1315-4610-a615-78c1e9dd69d7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693906
On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 7/14/2018 4:32 PM, Sergio wrote:
> > On 7/7/2018 8:45 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> >>>> Big Bang 0
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> >>
> >> God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
> >> There is No Physical beforeness...
> >>
> >> Big Bang 0
> >>
> >>
> >> Mitchell Raemsch
> >>
> > 
> > yes, the big bang started at time 0
> > 
> And the way you and Mitch know time had a beginning is?
> (I bet Starfaker or Rolf told you so)
> Big bang is bogus.

There was an absolute beginning named by science the BB.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#694001

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-15 11:15 -0700
Message-ID<5B4B8F2E.26DB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#693909
mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> > On 7/14/2018 4:32 PM, Sergio wrote:
> > > On 7/7/2018 8:45 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > >>>> Big Bang 0
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> > >>
> > >> God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
> > >> There is No Physical beforeness...
> > >>
> > >> Big Bang 0
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mitchell Raemsch
> > >>
> > >
> > > yes, the big bang started at time 0
> > >
> > And the way you and Mitch know time had a beginning is?
> > (I bet Starfaker or Rolf told you so)
> > Big bang is bogus.
> 
> There was an absolute beginning named by science the BB.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch


There was in fact the beginning....but it wasn't the beginning of time.

Before 'the beginning' time existed.

That is how yous come up with the first 24 hours...you started counting from the beginning with your fingers...1, 2, 3 , 4 -

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#694029

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-15 13:32 -0700
Message-ID<a7e91fec-605d-496b-af00-ef40d04f8249@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#694001
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 11:15:22 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 2:11:46 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> > > On 7/14/2018 4:32 PM, Sergio wrote:
> > > > On 7/7/2018 8:45 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > > >>>> Big Bang 0
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> > > >>
> > > >> God would be timeless. It is physical time that had its absolute beginning.
> > > >> There is No Physical beforeness...
> > > >>
> > > >> Big Bang 0
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Mitchell Raemsch
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > yes, the big bang started at time 0
> > > >
> > > And the way you and Mitch know time had a beginning is?
> > > (I bet Starfaker or Rolf told you so)
> > > Big bang is bogus.
> > 
> > There was an absolute beginning named by science the BB.
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> 
> There was in fact the beginning....but it wasn't the beginning of time.
> 
> Before 'the beginning' time existed.

No. Timeless God existed. Time was  yet to be created...


Mitchell Raemsch



> That is how yous come up with the first 24 hours...you started counting from the beginning with your fingers...1, 2, 3 , 4 -

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#693142

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-08 13:13 -0700
Message-ID<5B42704E.1F0@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#693035
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > Big Bang 0
> 
> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..


Look, I understand that you have 'charlatans' in your community that fill your mind  with fraudalent ideas...
the only way they stay on top is if you follow their fake sciences.


They don't know the origin of time or the origin of gravity so they cover it up with a wall
that you're not suppose to pass.

They are ...charlatans!


It certaintly wasn't Einstein who said 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', (and he invented the big bang)...


so, you have to ask yourself, who was it?


What's his name? What does he look like? Who is the retard?

Show me a picture of him and I'll prove he's a crook.

Wats his name?


Somebody came up with the idea...and then..got others to back him up. 


(even if the others have no idea, they still backed him up...which makes them crooks also.)


So, who is the originator of the idea that 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', and I'll prove he's just a charltan.


Wats his name?

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#693150

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-08 13:40 -0700
Message-ID<a847adde-7eca-4e57-8ec4-9d18a88ed060@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693142
On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > > Big Bang 0
> > 
> > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> 
> 
> Look, I understand that you have 'charlatans' in your community that fill your mind  with fraudalent ideas...
> the only way they stay on top is if you follow their fake sciences.
> 
> 
> They don't know the origin of time or the origin of gravity so they cover it up with a wall
> that you're not suppose to pass.
> 
> They are ...charlatans!
> 
> 
> It certaintly wasn't Einstein who said 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', (and he invented the big bang)...
> 
> 
> so, you have to ask yourself, who was it?
> 
> 
> What's his name? What does he look like? Who is the retard?
> 
> Show me a picture of him and I'll prove he's a crook.
> 
> Wats his name?
> 
> 
> Somebody came up with the idea...and then..got others to back him up. 
> 
> 
> (even if the others have no idea, they still backed him up...which makes them crooks also.)
> 
> 
> So, who is the originator of the idea that 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', and I'll prove he's just a charltan.
> 
> 
> Wats his name?

It is my intuition Roy Masters. There is a timeless God before time.

Try and take my God away from me now Roy.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#693223

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-08 17:30 -0700
Message-ID<5B42AC9E.3309@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#693142
mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:13:20 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > > > Big Bang 0
> > >
> > > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> >
> >
> > Look, I understand that you have 'charlatans' in your community that fill your mind  with fraudalent ideas...
> > the only way they stay on top is if you follow their fake sciences.
> >
> >
> > They don't know the origin of time or the origin of gravity so they cover it up with a wall
> > that you're not suppose to pass.
> >
> > They are ...charlatans!
> >
> >
> > It certaintly wasn't Einstein who said 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', (and he invented the big bang)...
> >
> >
> > so, you have to ask yourself, who was it?
> >
> >
> > What's his name? What does he look like? Who is the retard?
> >
> > Show me a picture of him and I'll prove he's a crook.
> >
> > Wats his name?
> >
> >
> > Somebody came up with the idea...and then..got others to back him up.
> >
> >
> > (even if the others have no idea, they still backed him up...which makes them crooks also.)
> >
> >
> > So, who is the originator of the idea that 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', and I'll prove he's just a charltan.
> >
> >
> > Wats his name?
> 
> His name is Timelessness...
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch


Okay, I understand...in all the commotion the name got lost in the groupthink crowd.

Maybe I can help narrow it down for you..

it had to be a guy who orginially said to the same effect
'that time didn't exist before the big bang'

maybe he said...the big bang came from nothing, or the universe came from...Nothing.

Either way, it all means the same thing..so, who originated the idea 'the universe came from nothing'?


Tell me his name and I'll prove he's just a charlatan.

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#693229

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-08 18:19 -0700
Message-ID<25bd1375-4dfc-462a-9b11-c6a6276e3676@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693223
On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 5:30:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:13:20 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > > > > Big Bang 0
> > > >
> > > > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> > >
> > >
> > > Look, I understand that you have 'charlatans' in your community that fill your mind  with fraudalent ideas...
> > > the only way they stay on top is if you follow their fake sciences.
> > >
> > >
> > > They don't know the origin of time or the origin of gravity so they cover it up with a wall
> > > that you're not suppose to pass.
> > >
> > > They are ...charlatans!
> > >
> > >
> > > It certaintly wasn't Einstein who said 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', (and he invented the big bang)...
> > >
> > >
> > > so, you have to ask yourself, who was it?
> > >
> > >
> > > What's his name? What does he look like? Who is the retard?
> > >
> > > Show me a picture of him and I'll prove he's a crook.
> > >
> > > Wats his name?
> > >
> > >
> > > Somebody came up with the idea...and then..got others to back him up.
> > >
> > >
> > > (even if the others have no idea, they still backed him up...which makes them crooks also.)
> > >
> > >
> > > So, who is the originator of the idea that 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', and I'll prove he's just a charltan.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wats his name?
> > 
> > His name is Timelessness...
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> 
> 
> Okay, I understand...in all the commotion the name got lost in the groupthink crowd.
> 
> Maybe I can help narrow it down for you..
> 
> it had to be a guy who orginially said to the same effect
> 'that time didn't exist before the big bang'
> 
> maybe he said...the big bang came from nothing, or the universe came from...Nothing.
> 
> Either way, it all means the same thing..so, who originated the idea 'the universe came from nothing'?
> 
> 
> Tell me his name and I'll prove he's just a charlatan.

I believe in an absolute beginning of space and time.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#697508

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-07 16:03 -0700
Message-ID<058eed2c-2591-42c2-9e85-f936be2b49dc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693142
On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > > Big Bang 0
> > 
> > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> 
> 
> Look, I understand that you have 'charlatans' in your community that fill your mind  with fraudalent ideas...
> the only way they stay on top is if you follow their fake sciences.
> 
> 
> They don't know the origin of time or the origin of gravity so they cover it up with a wall
> that you're not suppose to pass.
> 
> They are ...charlatans!
> 
> 
> It certaintly wasn't Einstein who said 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', (and he invented the big bang)...
> 
> 
> so, you have to ask yourself, who was it?
> 
> 
> What's his name? What does he look like? Who is the retard?
> 
> Show me a picture of him and I'll prove he's a crook.
> 
> Wats his name?
> 
> 
> Somebody came up with the idea...and then..got others to back him up. 
> 
> 
> (even if the others have no idea, they still backed him up...which makes them crooks also.)
> 
> 
> So, who is the originator of the idea that 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', and I'll prove he's just a charltan.
> 
> 
> Wats his name?

Wheeler had more to do with BB than  Einstein .Did Einstein go with the BB? He did not cotton to BHs  Einstein should have a book on all his thoughts good and bad.I have and I find it interesting.Bert

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