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Before the big bang...an illustraation

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First post2018-07-07 12:19 -0700
Last post2018-07-15 13:51 -0700
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  Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-07 12:19 -0700
    Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 12:38 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-11 14:15 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 15:29 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-07-18 19:18 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:23 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 15:47 -0700
    Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-07 17:08 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-07 18:45 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-14 15:32 -0500
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-14 13:36 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 17:11 -0400
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-14 14:15 -0700
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-15 11:15 -0700
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-15 13:32 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-08 13:13 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 13:40 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-08 17:30 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-08 18:19 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 16:03 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-07 16:10 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-07 16:58 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-07-09 17:30 +1000
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-09 18:11 +1000
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-09 11:21 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-17 10:08 -0500
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-18 16:19 +1000
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 15:38 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-07 15:54 -0700
        Without entropy, there's neither space nor time. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-09 18:00 -0700
          Re: Without entropy, there's neither space nor time. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-09 18:20 -0700
    Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-11 12:12 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-11 13:54 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-15 16:04 -0500
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-15 15:30 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-07-12 19:03 +1000
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-13 09:56 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-13 12:34 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-14 00:15 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustraation mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-14 12:52 -0700
      Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-14 10:45 -0700
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-15 11:24 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustration mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-07-15 13:33 -0700
          Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-17 15:19 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustration benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 20:35 -0400
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustration Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-07-18 20:46 -0500
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:28 -0700
            Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 00:34 -0700
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustration benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 12:14 -0400
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 12:09 -0700
                  Re: Before the big bang...an illustration benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 19:17 -0400
              Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-18 22:38 -0700
                Re: Before the big bang...an illustration Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-07 22:30 +0200
        Re: Before the big bang...an illustration The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-07-15 13:51 -0700

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#697511

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-08-07 16:10 -0700
Message-ID<pkd8ut$tfn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#697508
Swine "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
read something he posted but SwineBert does-not-want-
others-to-see. So Bert quickly morphed & behaved like
a dog that tries to bury his OWN shit, by Bert covering up
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-REAL-intent> which
shows that Glazier has always-ONLY-ONE-thing-on his
mind, namely to do all those items-from-(1)-to-item-(5):
>
(1)
On 07Feb 2015 & on 08Feb2015, Face-Shitter Glazier wrote:
Harlow Campbell HVAC, Mr.HVAC@gmail.com,
& Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net
& Jacoby Benj, <nobody@gmail.com>:
"I'll be sitting on your faces to take a shit & say: "Open wide".
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
>
(2)
On 06Dec2014, when the Christian-Hater, JewPigBert Glazier
said to "benj" <nobody@gmail.com>:
"Reality is you always post under me for you are an ass kisser.
For Christmas I'll shit on your kisser."
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
"Benj, you can thank me in advance". - TreBert. ... addinng
>
(3)
On 03Aug2017:
"benj, you eat shit and your shitty brain is coming out your ears."
On 20Jul2018:
Benj, my posts are way over your head.Reality is your head
is up your ass.So fart it out before you get constipated.Bert
>
(4)
On 25Mar2008, Graveyard Vandal Glazier wrote in:
<https://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3ffe7b2257cf8a9a>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.physics/uYtpFTRnW4k/morPVyJ7_j8J>
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And have a good laugh
when it seeps down on your face". --  Bert
>
(5)
On 24Jun2018 SwineBert Glazier said to
Mark Earnest <gmearnest@att.net> "your nose is
in a shit bucket all the time. Eat shit and you fit" -- Bert



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#697520

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-07 16:58 -0700
Message-ID<13832bde-1d14-4a7e-b0b7-0386d78d90ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#697508
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 4:03:27 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:13:22 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > 
> > > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > > > Big Bang 0
> > > 
> > > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> > 
> > 
> > Look, I understand that you have 'charlatans' in your community that fill your mind  with fraudalent ideas...
> > the only way they stay on top is if you follow their fake sciences.
> > 
> > 
> > They don't know the origin of time or the origin of gravity so they cover it up with a wall
> > that you're not suppose to pass.
> > 
> > They are ...charlatans!
> > 
> > 
> > It certaintly wasn't Einstein who said 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', (and he invented the big bang)...
> > 
> > 
> > so, you have to ask yourself, who was it?
> > 
> > 
> > What's his name? What does he look like? Who is the retard?
> > 
> > Show me a picture of him and I'll prove he's a crook.
> > 
> > Wats his name?
> > 
> > 
> > Somebody came up with the idea...and then..got others to back him up. 
> > 
> > 
> > (even if the others have no idea, they still backed him up...which makes them crooks also.)
> > 
> > 
> > So, who is the originator of the idea that 'that time didn't exist before the big bang', and I'll prove he's just a charltan.
> > 
> > 
> > Wats his name?
> 
> Wheeler had more to do with BB than  Einstein .Did Einstein go with the BB? He did not cotton to BHs  Einstein should have a book on all his thoughts good and bad.I have and I find it interesting.Bert

Roy Masters? If there is no physical time then you have no physical before...

There is an Absolute physical space time Beginning.


Big Bang 0.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#693260

FromWhisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>
Date2018-07-09 17:30 +1000
Message-ID<ocudnfF4fpe6kt7GnZ2dnUU7-cGdnZ2d@westnet.com.au>
In reply to#693035
On 8/07/2018 10:08 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
>> Big Bang 0
> 
> 
> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..
> 




I found a pic;

https://goo.gl/images/nAe8RZ



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#693263

FromDaniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org>
Date2018-07-09 18:11 +1000
Message-ID<phv5b7$o4f$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#693035
The Starmaker wrote on 8/07/2018 10:08 AM:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time
>> yet? Big Bang 0
> 
> 
> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big
> bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture
> of him? Probably stupid looking..
> 
"tracher"?? What's that??

-- 
Daniel

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#693315

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-09 11:21 -0700
Message-ID<5B43A7C6.5482@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#693263
Daniel60 wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote on 8/07/2018 10:08 AM:
> > mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time
> >> yet? Big Bang 0
> >
> >
> > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big
> > bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture
> > of him? Probably stupid looking..
> >
> "tracher"?? What's that??
> 
> --
> Daniel


I have too many keyboards...so on the keyboard I use is shifted to the left...if my typing finger
types the letter e, it presses the letter r where the letter e supposes to be.


There is an explanation for everything...only problem is it requires 'thinking' which members of
the scientific community are not accustomed to doing...

ask your leaders what you should be thinking..or not.

Who decides what you should learn in your textbooks? Is pluto a planet? Ask your leaders...

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#694264

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-07-17 10:08 -0500
Message-ID<pil0p7$9ol$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693263
On 7/9/2018 3:11 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote on 8/07/2018 10:08 AM:
>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time
>>> yet? Big Bang 0
>>
>>
>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big
>> bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture
>> of him? Probably stupid looking..
>>
> "tracher"?? What's that??

   he who stands behind the rows....


> 

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#694409

FromDaniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org>
Date2018-07-18 16:19 +1000
Message-ID<pimm5u$lc9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#694264
Sergio wrote on 18/07/2018 1:08 AM:
> On 7/9/2018 3:11 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote on 8/07/2018 10:08 AM:
>>> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time
>>>> yet? Big Bang 0
>>>
>>>
>>> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big
>>> bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture
>>> of him? Probably stupid looking..
>>>
>> "tracher"?? What's that??
> 
>     he who stands behind the rows....

Means nothing to me!!


-- 
Daniel

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#697499

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-07 15:38 -0700
Message-ID<5ed30faf-2319-4386-a1f0-4c45728716ac@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693035
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 5:18:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > How are you going to think of a before time if there is no time yet?
> > Big Bang 0
> 
> 
> where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang? Was it your tracher in the fourth grade? Could I see a picture of him? Probably stupid looking..

There was always QM time,and its safe to say that QM gave the bang its big bang.Bert

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#697505

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-08-07 15:54 -0700
Message-ID<pkd7vj$o75$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#697499
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> says "its safe
to say that" <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-REAL-intent>
shows that SwineBert has always-ONLY-ONE-thing-on
is mind, namely to do all those items-from-(1)-to-item-(5):
>
(1)
On 07Feb 2015 & on 08Feb2015, Face-Shitter Glazier wrote:
Harlow Campbell HVAC, Mr.HVAC@gmail.com,
& Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net
& Jacoby Benj, <nobody@gmail.com>:
"I'll be sitting on your faces to take a shit & say: "Open wide".
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
>
(2)
On 06Dec2014, when the Christian-Hater, JewPigBert Glazier
said to "benj" <nobody@gmail.com>:
"Reality is you always post under me for you are an ass kisser.
For Christmas I'll shit on your kisser."
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
"Benj, you can thank me in advance". - TreBert. ... addinng
>
(3)
On 03Aug2017:
"benj, you eat shit and your shitty brain is coming out your ears."
On 20Jul2018:
Benj, my posts are way over your head.Reality is your head
is up your ass.So fart it out before you get constipated.Bert
>
(4)
On 25Mar2008, Graveyard Vandal Glazier wrote in:
<https://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3ffe7b2257cf8a9a>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.physics/uYtpFTRnW4k/morPVyJ7_j8J>
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And have a good laugh
when it seeps down on your face". --  Bert
>
(5)
On 24Jun2018 SwineBert Glazier said to
Mark Earnest <gmearnest@att.net> "your nose is
in a shit bucket all the time. Eat shit and you fit" -- Bert





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#697821 — Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2018-08-09 18:00 -0700
SubjectWithout entropy, there's neither space nor time.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.9--6.00pm.Seattle.2018>
In reply to#697499
> > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang?

Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.
Initially, there was no measurable entropy, no SpaceTime. 

In the real world ( the one that we can measure, not the random one )
SpaceTime implies entropy.

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#697826 — Re: Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-09 18:20 -0700
SubjectRe: Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.
Message-ID<e7cdc8d6-6a51-407b-8781-5a29bd8a11fd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#697821
On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 6:00:55 PM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> > > where did you get the idea that time didn't exist before the big bang?
> 
> Without entropy, there's neither space nor time.
> Initially, there was no measurable entropy, no SpaceTime. 
> 
> In the real world ( the one that we can measure, not the random one )
> SpaceTime implies entropy.

If space time has an physical absolute beginning
or Big Bang 0 then there is no physical time before it.
Timeless is that opposite of time.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#693616

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-11 12:12 -0700
Message-ID<5B4656A4.7030@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#692971
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> If you want to know
> how it looked
> before the big bang..
> an illustration of it
> if you will..
> 
> it looks like
> that painting
> "Stary Night", or
> a current photo
> of Jupiter's clouds.
> 
> Before the big bang
> you can see
> Time
> Gravity
> Space
> Energy
> all in
> clouds of swirls.
> 
> And beneath the fields of
> swirling clouds..
> it's filled with stars.
> 
> The Starmaker


What you people don't seem to understand..is that

the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.

Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.


In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.


Time is existence. 

No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow. 


The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.

There was no backwards..

You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'

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#693631

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-11 13:54 -0700
Message-ID<b2fd82b4-66ec-4e51-bfea-1ccb15f7c80d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693616
On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 12:12:38 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > If you want to know
> > how it looked
> > before the big bang..
> > an illustration of it
> > if you will..
> > 
> > it looks like
> > that painting
> > "Stary Night", or
> > a current photo
> > of Jupiter's clouds.
> > 
> > Before the big bang
> > you can see
> > Time
> > Gravity
> > Space
> > Energy
> > all in
> > clouds of swirls.
> > 
> > And beneath the fields of
> > swirling clouds..
> > it's filled with stars.
> > 
> > The Starmaker
> 
> 
> What you people don't seem to understand..is that

Roy Masters you have a theory based solely on time
without space...


> 
> the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
> 
> Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.


You can't talk about a before because there is no time yet.



> 
> 
> In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
> 
> 
> Time is existence. 

Space exists at the absolute beginning Roy Masters.
Time is order that exists with it.

> 
> No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow. 


No. You had the timeless God Roy Masters...

> 
> The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
> 
> There was no backwards..
> 
> You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'

There is no arrow of time... just an absolute beginning of its order.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#694033

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-07-15 16:04 -0500
Message-ID<pigcta$q5p$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#693631
On 7/11/2018 3:54 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 12:12:38 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want to know
>>> how it looked
>>> before the big bang..
>>> an illustration of it
>>> if you will..
>>>
>>> it looks like
>>> that painting
>>> "Stary Night", or
>>> a current photo
>>> of Jupiter's clouds.
>>>
>>> Before the big bang
>>> you can see
>>> Time
>>> Gravity
>>> Space
>>> Energy
>>> all in
>>> clouds of swirls.
>>>
>>> And beneath the fields of
>>> swirling clouds..
>>> it's filled with stars.
>>>
>>> The Starmaker
>>
>>
>> What you people don't seem to understand..is that
> 
> Roy Masters you have a theory based solely on time
> without space...

      sounds like a very small prison cell.

> 
> 
>>
>> the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
>>
>> Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.
> 
> 
> You can't talk about a before because there is no time yet.

  he was already out of time before.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
>>
>>
>> Time is existence. 
> 
> Space exists at the absolute beginning Roy Masters.
> Time is order that exists with it.

if there is no space, you must drive through, and it takes time to get
your order completed.

> 
>>
>> No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow. 
> 
> 
> No. You had the timeless God Roy Masters...

      timeless Gods need no watches, Roy knows this.

> 
>>
>> The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
>>
>> There was no backwards..
>>
>> You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'
> 
> There is no arrow of time... just an absolute beginning of its order.

the orgional arrow of time was lost, so they made two new ones just in
case one got lost.   Unfortnatly whoever make it lost the direction to
point it. So here we are.

> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
> 

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#694042

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-15 15:30 -0700
Message-ID<49d301ce-b2a5-4696-b295-2bb9b001d07c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#694033
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 2:04:47 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/11/2018 3:54 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 12:12:38 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you want to know
> >>> how it looked
> >>> before the big bang..
> >>> an illustration of it
> >>> if you will..
> >>>
> >>> it looks like
> >>> that painting
> >>> "Stary Night", or
> >>> a current photo
> >>> of Jupiter's clouds.
> >>>
> >>> Before the big bang
> >>> you can see
> >>> Time
> >>> Gravity
> >>> Space
> >>> Energy
> >>> all in
> >>> clouds of swirls.
> >>>
> >>> And beneath the fields of
> >>> swirling clouds..
> >>> it's filled with stars.
> >>>
> >>> The Starmaker
> >>
> >>
> >> What you people don't seem to understand..is that
> > 
> > Roy Masters you have a theory based solely on time
> > without space...
> 
>       sounds like a very small prison cell.
> 
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >> the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
> >>
> >> Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.
> > 
> > 
> > You can't talk about a before because there is no time yet.
> 
>   he was already out of time before.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >>
> >> In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
> >>
> >>
> >> Time is existence. 
> > 
> > Space exists at the absolute beginning Roy Masters.
> > Time is order that exists with it.
> 
> if there is no space, you must drive through, and it takes time to get
> your order completed.
> 
> > 
> >>
> >> No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow. 
> > 
> > 
> > No. You had the timeless God Roy Masters...
> 
>       timeless Gods need no watches, Roy knows this.
> 
> > 
> >>
> >> The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
> >>
> >> There was no backwards..
> >>
> >> You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'
> > 
> > There is no arrow of time... just an absolute beginning of its order.
> 
> the orgional arrow of time was lost, so they made two new ones just in
> case one got lost.   Unfortnatly whoever make it lost the direction to
> point it. So here we are.
> 
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> >

Roy Masters? You only argue time while you are doing it...
Space comes first you ought to know...

Mitchell Raemsch

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#693697

FromDaniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org>
Date2018-07-12 19:03 +1000
Message-ID<pi75hh$k76$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#693616
The Starmaker wrote on 12/07/2018 5:12 AM:

<Snip>

> Time is existence.
> 
> No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just
> didn't...flow.

... but Doctor Who tells me there was a time before The Big Bang!!


-- 
Daniel

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#693801

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-13 09:56 -0700
Message-ID<5B48D9AB.204A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#693616
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > If you want to know
> > how it looked
> > before the big bang..
> > an illustration of it
> > if you will..
> >
> > it looks like
> > that painting
> > "Stary Night", or
> > a current photo
> > of Jupiter's clouds.
> >
> > Before the big bang
> > you can see
> > Time
> > Gravity
> > Space
> > Energy
> > all in
> > clouds of swirls.
> >
> > And beneath the fields of
> > swirling clouds..
> > it's filled with stars.
> >
> > The Starmaker
> 
> What you people don't seem to understand..is that
> 
> the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
> 
> Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.
> 
> In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
> 
> Time is existence.
> 
> No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow.
> 
> The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
> 
> There was no backwards..
> 
> You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'



The fact is...

the big bang is viewed...from the outside.

The universe, the earth, Time, gravity, even space can all be viewed from ...the outside.


The entire event of the big bang and everything from it and in it...can all be viewed from the outside.


But yous are all used to looking at everything from the inside...from...within.


The big bang occured...from within.


When are you people -- 'going to learn' -- How To view the universe and everything 'in it'....from the outside?



When?

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#693808

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-13 12:34 -0700
Message-ID<3d44c47b-9d12-42d0-9d45-988fcbba9677@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693801
On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want to know
> > > how it looked
> > > before the big bang..
> > > an illustration of it
> > > if you will..
> > >
> > > it looks like
> > > that painting
> > > "Stary Night", or
> > > a current photo
> > > of Jupiter's clouds.
> > >
> > > Before the big bang
> > > you can see
> > > Time
> > > Gravity
> > > Space
> > > Energy
> > > all in
> > > clouds of swirls.
> > >
> > > And beneath the fields of
> > > swirling clouds..
> > > it's filled with stars.
> > >
> > > The Starmaker
> > 
> > What you people don't seem to understand..is that
> > 
> > the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
> > 
> > Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.
> > 
> > In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
> > 
> > Time is existence.


Time is part of existence.


> > No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow.


Timeless God.

> > 
> > The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
> > 
> > There was no backwards..
> > 
> > You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'
> 
> 
> 
> The fact is...
> 
> the big bang is viewed...from the outside.

Only God sees it that way...


> The universe, the earth, Time, gravity, even space can all be viewed from ...the outside.
> 


Where is the universe?



> 
> The entire event of the big bang and everything from it and in it...can all be viewed from the outside.


No.
 You are delusional. That's not for any man Roy Masters...
> 
> 
> But yous are all used to looking at everything from the inside...from...within.
> 
> 
> The big bang occured...from within.

It was God created.

> 
> When are you people -- 'going to learn' -- How To view the universe and everything 'in it'....from the outside?
> 

That is your ego.

> 
> When?

People are better off not falling for this bait Roy Masters...
It is elevating man to God's proper place and shouldn't
be done. Religion knows better... Stop playing God...

Mitchell Raemsch

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#693847

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-07-14 00:15 -0700
Message-ID<5B49A30B.B57@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#693808
mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you want to know
> > > > how it looked
> > > > before the big bang..
> > > > an illustration of it
> > > > if you will..
> > > >
> > > > it looks like
> > > > that painting
> > > > "Stary Night", or
> > > > a current photo
> > > > of Jupiter's clouds.
> > > >
> > > > Before the big bang
> > > > you can see
> > > > Time
> > > > Gravity
> > > > Space
> > > > Energy
> > > > all in
> > > > clouds of swirls.
> > > >
> > > > And beneath the fields of
> > > > swirling clouds..
> > > > it's filled with stars.
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker
> > >
> > > What you people don't seem to understand..is that
> > >
> > > the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
> > >
> > > Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.
> > >
> > > In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
> > >
> > > Time is existence.
> 
> Time is part of existence.
> 
> > > No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow.
> 
> Timeless God.
> 
> > >
> > > The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
> > >
> > > There was no backwards..
> > >
> > > You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'
> >
> >
> >
> > The fact is...
> >
> > the big bang is viewed...from the outside.
> 
> Only God sees it that way...


Don't you view the ocean...from the outside?

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#693896

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-07-14 12:52 -0700
Message-ID<808c276e-eaa0-491b-83f5-96676d9ddd19@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#693847
On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 12:15:16 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > On Friday, July 13, 2018 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to know
> > > > > how it looked
> > > > > before the big bang..
> > > > > an illustration of it
> > > > > if you will..
> > > > >
> > > > > it looks like
> > > > > that painting
> > > > > "Stary Night", or
> > > > > a current photo
> > > > > of Jupiter's clouds.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before the big bang
> > > > > you can see
> > > > > Time
> > > > > Gravity
> > > > > Space
> > > > > Energy
> > > > > all in
> > > > > clouds of swirls.
> > > > >
> > > > > And beneath the fields of
> > > > > swirling clouds..
> > > > > it's filled with stars.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker
> > > >
> > > > What you people don't seem to understand..is that
> > > >
> > > > the big bang was the 'beginning' of Time...flowing forward.
> > > >
> > > > Before the big bang there was no past (before) or future (after), no flow of time forward or backward.
> > > >
> > > > In other words...it is very differcult to exist without a sense of a past, prest and future.
> > > >
> > > > Time is existence.
> > 
> > Time is part of existence.
> > 
> > > > No Before no existence, ...but you still had Time..it just didn't...flow.
> > 
> > Timeless God.
> > 
> > > >
> > > > The beginning was the beggining of time flowing...forwards.
> > > >
> > > > There was no backwards..
> > > >
> > > > You know wat they say...'never go back, always go forward.'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact is...
> > >
> > > the big bang is viewed...from the outside.
> > 
> > Only God sees it that way...
> 
> 
> Don't you view the ocean...from the outside?

Are you God Roy  Masters?

Mitchell Raemsch

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