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| Started by | alal65536@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2017-08-23 08:26 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-08-28 14:16 -0700 |
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Are space and time infinitely divisible? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-08-23 08:26 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 10:34 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-08-23 13:16 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:30 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-08-23 20:48 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 06:55 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:21 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? alal65536@gmail.com - 2017-08-25 08:58 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:57 -0500
Re: Nature is infinitely large/small; our knowledge is infinitely small. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 17:56 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:37 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-23 20:20 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 19:18 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 06:17 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 08:32 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 08:49 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 09:50 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:16 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:10 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 17:58 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:11 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:05 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 05:15 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 17:49 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 16:13 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 19:28 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 04:51 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-25 18:16 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 21:50 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:55 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 05:31 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 06:35 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 17:54 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 16:39 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 20:20 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 04:14 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-25 18:08 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 11:26 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:32 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 14:45 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:43 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 16:46 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:21 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 14:57 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 17:25 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 08:21 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:40 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 21:45 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 00:14 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 08:23 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:36 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:41 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 21:48 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 15:59 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-29 16:08 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 18:14 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 08:43 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 16:52 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-09-01 12:53 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 20:16 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 21:08 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-09-01 23:46 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 00:13 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-09-02 00:28 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 01:39 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-09-02 07:51 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:29 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-09-03 11:18 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 11:15 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-09-01 23:47 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-02 18:09 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 10:15 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-31 12:09 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-31 17:24 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:54 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-31 20:25 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 07:02 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-09-01 12:27 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-09-01 12:29 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:45 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:39 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 21:21 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 17:50 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:51 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-31 17:07 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 09:52 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 14:06 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 16:38 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 10:28 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 18:11 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 21:33 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-23 17:21 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:28 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:45 -0500
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-23 10:34 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-23 22:42 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:02 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-23 17:19 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 21:08 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-24 17:40 -0400
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:34 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 10:52 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 13:30 -0700
Re: Are space and time infinitely divisible? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-28 14:16 -0700
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-09-01 19:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <27c472be-bf26-416c-911e-f9e3d959686c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #648143 |
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 3:28:33 AM UTC+10, Serg io wrote: > On 9/1/2017 9:02 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:25:17 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: > >> On 8/31/2017 7:54 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 7:24:19 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: > >>>> On 8/31/2017 1:09 PM, Serg io wrote: > >>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:03 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:23:56 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 8/27/17 7:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>>>>>> How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does > >>>>>>>>> not divide into two? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Um, how about the cell incorporating additional atoms as part of > >>>>>>>> growth? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally > >>>>>>>>> ignorant. This > >>>>>>>>> is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts in any > >>>>>>>>> discussion group. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well, Arindam, in this you are like Archimedes Plutonium, so > >>>>>>>> ego-possessed and so hungry for attention that you believe that your > >>>>>>>> stray thoughts are jewels, rather than the festering corn cobs that > >>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>> are. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You racists and bigots want me to shut up. Nothing new here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can talk all you want. I know it fills empty hours. Just know that > >>>>>> what > >>>>>> you say ain't worth much, except in your own eyes. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> he should think of the other cases too, why focus on just one ?; > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. racists and bigots want me to shut up (his current focus) > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. racists and bigots that do not want me to shut up. > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. non-racists and non-bigots want me to shut up. > >>>>> > >>>>> 4. non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to shut up. > >>>>> > >>>>> so, Arimdam, can you address #2, #3, and #4 ? I am sure you already > >>>>> have thought it all out. > >>>>> (I would also add to each above "for money", or "not for money") > >>>> > >>>> As a racist and bigot I have to go for number 2. But while I want him to > >>>> keep digging, we can leave off the "for money" part > >>> > >>> benj face it you are a money-grubber who takes to racism and bigotry > >>> as a side interest. That is why you want me to keep on talking. > >>> > >> Nope. I want to keep you talking because Bert and Archie could use some > >> strong competition for this year's senility prize. I tell you Banjo, you > >> are a CONTENDER! > > > > For senility prize I recommend Porat. > > For asininity prize I recommend you. > > > > SO, do we add money-grubbing, senility, AND asininity ? > > cases; > > 1. money-grubbing, non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to > shut up, that are senility and not asininity ? > > na, too complicated. and what does a "money grubber" do? grubs money ? > that doesnt make any cents! The following descriptions apply to benj & Co. who have corrupted physics and now play the monstrous child are: stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded as synonyms of "asinine". As oldest of the Einsteinian pack, benj should get the award. Mind you, this is a tough, highly competitive field here but age does count in award-giving. benj claims exalted age, though this may be a ruse. Besides, he gratuitously called me a pig-thief; now what could be more asinine? > > > > so lets continue, and not derail, > > Banjo, address case #3, what about them ? > > 3. non-racists and non-bigots want me to shut up. They are lovely people and my true friends who want my good, so that bad does not happen to me because of my not shutting up. Like all good people they have no money and no power. If I have survived so long, and not got into jail on false charges as a victim of their racist+bigoted malice, it is because of the great and wonderful and brave non-racists and non-bigots, for whom all colour and creed are immaterial considerations for judging someone, and his work. But I don't shut up, for I want their good as well and that won't happen if I shut up. Cheers, Arindam Banerjee
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-09-01 23:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <59aa27fd$0$46076$b1db1813$7c6b8ee7@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #648254 |
On 9/1/2017 10:45 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 3:28:33 AM UTC+10, Serg io wrote: >> On 9/1/2017 9:02 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:25:17 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: >>>> On 8/31/2017 7:54 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 7:24:19 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: >>>>>> On 8/31/2017 1:09 PM, Serg io wrote: >>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:03 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:23:56 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17 7:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does >>>>>>>>>>> not divide into two? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Um, how about the cell incorporating additional atoms as part of >>>>>>>>>> growth? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant. This >>>>>>>>>>> is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts in any >>>>>>>>>>> discussion group. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, Arindam, in this you are like Archimedes Plutonium, so >>>>>>>>>> ego-possessed and so hungry for attention that you believe that your >>>>>>>>>> stray thoughts are jewels, rather than the festering corn cobs that >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> are. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You racists and bigots want me to shut up. Nothing new here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can talk all you want. I know it fills empty hours. Just know that >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> you say ain't worth much, except in your own eyes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> he should think of the other cases too, why focus on just one ?; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. racists and bigots want me to shut up (his current focus) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. racists and bigots that do not want me to shut up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. non-racists and non-bigots want me to shut up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to shut up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so, Arimdam, can you address #2, #3, and #4 ? I am sure you already >>>>>>> have thought it all out. >>>>>>> (I would also add to each above "for money", or "not for money") >>>>>> >>>>>> As a racist and bigot I have to go for number 2. But while I want him to >>>>>> keep digging, we can leave off the "for money" part >>>>> >>>>> benj face it you are a money-grubber who takes to racism and bigotry >>>>> as a side interest. That is why you want me to keep on talking. >>>>> >>>> Nope. I want to keep you talking because Bert and Archie could use some >>>> strong competition for this year's senility prize. I tell you Banjo, you >>>> are a CONTENDER! >>> >>> For senility prize I recommend Porat. >>> For asininity prize I recommend you. >>> >> >> SO, do we add money-grubbing, senility, AND asininity ? >> >> cases; >> >> 1. money-grubbing, non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to >> shut up, that are senility and not asininity ? >> >> na, too complicated. and what does a "money grubber" do? grubs money ? >> that doesnt make any cents! > > The following descriptions apply to benj & Co. who have corrupted physics and > now play the monstrous child are: > > stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded Banjo probes the Web for knowledge (as he lacks it) > as synonyms of "asinine". > As oldest of the Einsteinian pack, benj should get the award. > Mind you, this is a tough, highly competitive field here but age does count in > award-giving. benj claims exalted age, though this may be a ruse. This is such a HOOT! This coming from a guy who denies E=mcc who thinks that perpetual motion is real and Newton's laws are all wrong and that he is the greatest Genius in the universe well beyond Einstein who was an asinine idiot. As Sylvia has pointed out this is so ignorant that it can only be a pitiful attempt at Troll. > Besides, he gratuitously called me a pig-thief; now what could be more asinine? Come on Banjo it's a free gift from me. Be GRATEFUL (and learn some Latin, pagan pig thief)
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-09-01 21:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4d43ef15-ed7c-4c95-88a4-266f674814ed@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #648273 |
On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 1:39:47 PM UTC+10, benj wrote: > On 9/1/2017 10:45 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 3:28:33 AM UTC+10, Serg io wrote: > >> On 9/1/2017 9:02 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:25:17 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: > >>>> On 8/31/2017 7:54 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 7:24:19 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: > >>>>>> On 8/31/2017 1:09 PM, Serg io wrote: > >>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:03 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:23:56 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17 7:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does > >>>>>>>>>>> not divide into two? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Um, how about the cell incorporating additional atoms as part of > >>>>>>>>>> growth? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally > >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant. This > >>>>>>>>>>> is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts in any > >>>>>>>>>>> discussion group. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Well, Arindam, in this you are like Archimedes Plutonium, so > >>>>>>>>>> ego-possessed and so hungry for attention that you believe that your > >>>>>>>>>> stray thoughts are jewels, rather than the festering corn cobs that > >>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>> are. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You racists and bigots want me to shut up. Nothing new here. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You can talk all you want. I know it fills empty hours. Just know that > >>>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>> you say ain't worth much, except in your own eyes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> he should think of the other cases too, why focus on just one ?; > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. racists and bigots want me to shut up (his current focus) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2. racists and bigots that do not want me to shut up. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3. non-racists and non-bigots want me to shut up. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 4. non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to shut up. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> so, Arimdam, can you address #2, #3, and #4 ? I am sure you already > >>>>>>> have thought it all out. > >>>>>>> (I would also add to each above "for money", or "not for money") > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As a racist and bigot I have to go for number 2. But while I want him to > >>>>>> keep digging, we can leave off the "for money" part > >>>>> > >>>>> benj face it you are a money-grubber who takes to racism and bigotry > >>>>> as a side interest. That is why you want me to keep on talking. > >>>>> > >>>> Nope. I want to keep you talking because Bert and Archie could use some > >>>> strong competition for this year's senility prize. I tell you Banjo, you > >>>> are a CONTENDER! > >>> > >>> For senility prize I recommend Porat. > >>> For asininity prize I recommend you. > >>> > >> > >> SO, do we add money-grubbing, senility, AND asininity ? > >> > >> cases; > >> > >> 1. money-grubbing, non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to > >> shut up, that are senility and not asininity ? > >> > >> na, too complicated. and what does a "money grubber" do? grubs money ? > >> that doesnt make any cents! > > > > The following descriptions apply to benj & Co. who have corrupted physics and > > now play the monstrous child are: > > > > stupid, foolish, pointless, brainless, mindless, senseless, doltish, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, insane, lunatic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, preposterous, nonsensical, fatuous, silly, childish, infantile, puerile, immature, juvenile, inane, witless, half-baked, empty-headed, unintelligent, half-witted, slow-witted, weak-minded > > Banjo probes the Web for knowledge (as he lacks it) > > > as synonyms of "asinine". > > > As oldest of the Einsteinian pack, benj should get the award. > > Mind you, this is a tough, highly competitive field here but age does count in > > award-giving. benj claims exalted age, though this may be a ruse. > > This is such a HOOT! This coming from a guy who denies E=mcc who thinks > that perpetual motion is real and Newton's laws are all wrong and that > he is the greatest Genius in the universe well beyond Einstein who was > an asinine idiot. > > As Sylvia has pointed out this is so ignorant that it can only be a > pitiful attempt at Troll. > > > Besides, he gratuitously called me a pig-thief; now what could be more asinine? > > Come on Banjo it's a free gift from me. Be GRATEFUL (and learn some > Latin, pagan pig thief) Be proud to get an award, benj: the sci.physics Asinine award. It is not the Nobel Prize you crave but a prize is a prize.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-09-01 17:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <59a9d631$0$9142$b1db1813$7ad5c21@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #648125 |
On 9/1/2017 10:02 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 10:25:17 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: >> On 8/31/2017 7:54 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 7:24:19 AM UTC+10, benj wrote: >>>> On 8/31/2017 1:09 PM, Serg io wrote: >>>>> On 8/31/2017 11:03 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:23:56 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/27/17 7:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>>>>>> How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does >>>>>>>>> not divide into two? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Um, how about the cell incorporating additional atoms as part of >>>>>>>> growth? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally >>>>>>>>> ignorant. This >>>>>>>>> is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts in any >>>>>>>>> discussion group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, Arindam, in this you are like Archimedes Plutonium, so >>>>>>>> ego-possessed and so hungry for attention that you believe that your >>>>>>>> stray thoughts are jewels, rather than the festering corn cobs that >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You racists and bigots want me to shut up. Nothing new here. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can talk all you want. I know it fills empty hours. Just know that >>>>>> what >>>>>> you say ain't worth much, except in your own eyes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> he should think of the other cases too, why focus on just one ?; >>>>> >>>>> 1. racists and bigots want me to shut up (his current focus) >>>>> >>>>> 2. racists and bigots that do not want me to shut up. >>>>> >>>>> 3. non-racists and non-bigots want me to shut up. >>>>> >>>>> 4. non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to shut up. >>>>> >>>>> so, Arimdam, can you address #2, #3, and #4 ? I am sure you already >>>>> have thought it all out. >>>>> (I would also add to each above "for money", or "not for money") >>>> >>>> As a racist and bigot I have to go for number 2. But while I want him to >>>> keep digging, we can leave off the "for money" part >>> >>> benj face it you are a money-grubber who takes to racism and bigotry >>> as a side interest. That is why you want me to keep on talking. >>> >> Nope. I want to keep you talking because Bert and Archie could use some >> strong competition for this year's senility prize. I tell you Banjo, you >> are a CONTENDER! > > For senility prize I recommend Porat. > For asininity prize I recommend you. > You forgot to say I believe in ghosts. I bet do too!
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-31 16:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8518117c-d142-4234-b322-f534ef8f6ab8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #648025 |
On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 3:09:46 AM UTC+10, Serg io wrote: > On 8/31/2017 11:03 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:23:56 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> On 8/27/17 7:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>> How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does not divide into two? > >>> > >>> Um, how about the cell incorporating additional atoms as part of growth? > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally ignorant. This > >>>> is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts in any discussion group. > >>> > >>> Well, Arindam, in this you are like Archimedes Plutonium, so > >>> ego-possessed and so hungry for attention that you believe that your > >>> stray thoughts are jewels, rather than the festering corn cobs that they > >>> are. > >> > >> You racists and bigots want me to shut up. Nothing new here. > > > > You can talk all you want. I know it fills empty hours. Just know that what > > you say ain't worth much, except in your own eyes. > > > he should think of the other cases too, why focus on just one ?; > > 1. racists and bigots want me to shut up (his current focus) These are the better ones, not powerful and just prejudiced. > 2. racists and bigots that do not want me to shut up. who and where are they? They all want me to shut up, or if I do speak it should go to solidify their sense of superiority. > 3. non-racists and non-bigots want me to shut up. Yes they do, for they love me and don't want me to get into trouble with the racists and bigots and their non-white lickers. They think I have already written more than enough. They cannot help me and my work as they have no money and no power, just want what is good for me. > 4. non-racists and non-bigots that do not want me to shut up. An opportunist lot that will grab what it can without paying me anything in any currency. > so, Arimdam, can you address #2, #3, and #4 ? I am sure you already > have thought it all out. Indeed, and so see above. > (I would also add to each above "for money", or "not for money") I don't see how money comes in at this nascent stage. Later when things are widely accepted, for technical progress, then, certainly. But then when money is concerned there a grand unity among all for the purpose of making money; and disunity for the purpose of grabbing the most of it. Cheers, Arindam Banerjee > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >> > >> > > > > > >
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-08-31 17:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <59a87a9e$0$2124$b1db1813$8546dec9@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #648015 |
On 8/31/2017 12:03 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:23:56 PM UTC+10, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> On 8/27/17 7:25 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>> How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does not divide into two? >>> >>> Um, how about the cell incorporating additional atoms as part of growth? >>> >>>> >>>> Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally ignorant. This >>>> is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts in any discussion group. >>> >>> Well, Arindam, in this you are like Archimedes Plutonium, so >>> ego-possessed and so hungry for attention that you believe that your >>> stray thoughts are jewels, rather than the festering corn cobs that they >>> are. >> >> You racists and bigots want me to shut up. Nothing new here. > > You can talk all you want. I know it fills empty hours. Just know that what > you say ain't worth much, except in your own eyes. Don't worry Banjo. It works for racist bigots like Odd, so why not for you?
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-28 09:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2674f69d-4255-497a-bac2-96350197fd52@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #647503 |
On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 8:25:12 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 7:57:53 AM UTC+10, Edward Prochak wrote: > > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 4:21:55 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > > - snip - > > > > > > > > No one has seen a gas molecule or atom. As solid or in solution, an atom could > > > > > be a group of smaller atoms depending upon external conditions. > > > > > > > > Look here: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms) > > > > The article includes an image and a reference to a youtube video. > > > > (We know how you like youtube.) > > > > > > > > > > In other words, in gaseous form the atom could become smaller being divided > > > > > as per external conditions. Maybe, reach the smallest possible atomic state. > > > > > This may not be the case when it is solid. > > > > > > > > Atoms are often measured individually when not a solid. > > > > Look up: mass spectrometer. > > > > > > > You say, > > No one has seen a gas molecule or atom. > > I pointed to IBM moving individual atoms, with an image of the atoms. > > Not a gas molecule. > > > > you say, > > "they are the same size because they are frozen solid" > > I mention the size can be measured when the atom is a gas. > > Can you use an electron microscope to see a gas molecule? > Hint: a gas molecule moves, so it cannot be seen by any kind of microscope here I should have said the same mass. > > > > you reply > > > Again, you don't know if they cannot be broken up into smaller atoms. > > But not scientific measurement has ever found differences in size > > (well except for isotopes) > > Isotopes can be seen as the heavier version of the same element. But the difference is always an integer. > > Fatter protons, fatter electrons. > > I have now before me the book "Tables of physical and chemical constants" by Kaye and Laby. > > I have opened the table of "the chemical elements" > Most elemnents are not like Oxygen which has an atomic mass number of 16 which > is the reference perhaps as it is in bold. > They have fractions like Neon at 20.183, Cadmimum at 112.41, Potassium at > 39.1 and so on. The values reported in the periodic table are for the common average. IOW, the mix of isotopes on earth. So Potassium (K) is extracted from various sources on earth. It has a mixture of Potassium 39 (93.3%) and 41 (6.7%) with a tiny fraction of radioactive K 40. > > Isn't "discovering" isotopes a convenient way of denying that the atomic mass > is the average mass of the atom in gaseous or otherwise moving form? No. I told you before it is measured with a mass spectrograph. "Mass spectrometry (MS) is an analytical technique that ionizes chemical species and sorts the ions based on their mass-to-charge ratio." - wikipedia So two isotopes of potassium have the same charge. yet they are separated but a different mass. The mass difference is always an integer multiple of the mass of a neutron. > > The isotope could be the heavier or lighter version of the elemental stable atom. No, it cannot. > > > So time for your theory to put up or shut up: > > I am not really keen about this theory as it is not my work. > It simple explains things like homeopathy. No it doesn't. > It would appear then that atoms nicely split up in solution or when moving > just to keep the concentration constant. There's no "appear" about that. It is nonsense. > > How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does not divide into two? A cell is BILLIONS of atoms. Half go one way, half go the other. so it is a false analogy. > > Of course this is a matter of biology, about which I am totally ignorant. Honest humility? > This > is not my field but one can put in one's stray thoughts > in any discussion group. > Your's seem to stray, that much is true. That's not bad unless the discussion goes too far off topic. > > > How does the size always come up the same > > in measurements done different ways, and > > in many places all over the world, yet still > > vary in size? > > The average is constant and that is found. The average of the mixture. > You cannot find the size of a single atom in movement. The mass spectrometer can. > What you see under a microscope could be a clump of atoms. > It could be a singular atom, but how can one be sure? Other measurements like x-ray crystallography and other scattering measurements give data on the dimensions. Mass is measured also. The mass data in particular fits the standard model. It always seems to come in discrete increments. > > When you are talking averages, you are talking about distributions. > So if the mode is peaked in the distribution, like all atoms have the same > atomic mass, then yes they have the same size. > But the atomic mass is rarely integer. The atomic mass is a standard: 1 unified atomic mass unit is defined as 1/12th of the mass of a single carbon-12 atom, at rest, and referes to a single atom. You can get a good approximation of atomic mass by counting the number of protons and neutrons. (But also remember neutrons and protons are slightly different in mass.) What you are referring to is the atomic weight which is the average over a sample. Note: I mentioned that usually the sample comes from a source on earth. Getting a sample from an extra terrestrial source can be revealing. Samples have different distributions of some isotopes. > One could argue that there is a spread in atomic mass, and from that conjecture > that atoms could vary in mass. But confronted by the particle data for measuring individual atoms and counting then, a reasonable person would conclude that such an argument fails. > And from that extrapolate to their division or union in solution, as a > function of concentration. Here again is a data point that cannot be explained by that idea. Take a sample from a solution. we place that sample in an instrument which illuminates it with white light. The atoms absorb light at specific frequencies, the atomic spectra. From the absorption lines we can tell what atoms are in the sample. We also see the intensity of the lines. Now dilute the solution by half and take another sample. [recall at this point the claim is the number of atoms remains the same.] Place a sample of the diluted solution in the instrument. Measure the intensity again. This intensity is Half of the value measured the first time. So, somehow the same number of "smaller" atoms absorb half as many photons at the same wavelength as their bigger versions. > > If one proton or one electron is NOT equally big as another proton or electron, One characteristic of the electron is that nothing has been measured to tell them apart. A mass spectrograph for electrons has been done, and no difference in mass has ever been measured. Same with the proton. Same mass, measured to 10 significant digits. Same charge measured to 11 significant digits. (BTW the proton charge has the same absolute value as the electron out to 11 digits. Given the above, then this conclusion: > then natural processes for their union and divison based upon external circs. > cannot be discounted. is FALSE. > > > Tell us the conditions to test your hypothesis. > > See if you can measure the size of a gas molecule. > The same IBM atom heat up and make it fly in space. > The see if it is the same size when it was frozen. We measure it's mass with the mass spectrometer. We get a measure of its diameter by its spectra, and it seems the same in gas, solid, or liquid. The spectra also gives us a nice count of the number of atoms in the solution. I don't see any data suggesting atoms change size. > > > > If you cannot at least do that, your hypothesis is dead. > > Not so fast. The theory of matter divisibility to nothing, or rather to > aetheric dimensions is not new at all. It is dead and shall remain dead until and unless there is DATA suggesting otherwise. > It relates to geometry in a way as I pointed out in another thread. > Infinitude of points make a straight line. > Thus, an infinity of aether-points makes for a speck of matter. Your conclusion logically does not follow. You are just playing Philosopher games. Though you may have been reading too many of john's posts. I think you try to be a logical guy. I hope you can see the logic failures in this variable atomic size theory from homeopathy. It just doesn't fit the data. Think of these issues with that idea: * how does the atom know when to split? * How does the size of the atoms and number of atoms change during diffusion? * If an atom gets smaller as you dilute the solution, then does it get bigger as the solute evaporates? * If an atom gets bigger as the concentration of the solution increases, why does it have a finite size when all the solute evaporates? HTH, Ed
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-28 14:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2454a775-4bc0-4873-8366-b395d5a5b22a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #647575 |
On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 8:25:12 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
[]
> > > > Again, you don't know if they cannot be broken up into smaller atoms.
> > > But not scientific measurement has ever found differences in size
> > > (well except for isotopes)
> >
> > Isotopes can be seen as the heavier version of the same element.
>
> But the difference is always an integer.
> >
> > Fatter protons, fatter electrons.
> >
> > I have now before me the book "Tables of physical and chemical constants" by Kaye and Laby.
> >
> > I have opened the table of "the chemical elements"
> > Most elemnents are not like Oxygen which has an atomic mass number of 16 which
> > is the reference perhaps as it is in bold.
> > They have fractions like Neon at 20.183, Cadmimum at 112.41, Potassium at
> > 39.1 and so on.
>
> The values reported in the periodic table are for the common average.
> IOW, the mix of isotopes on earth.
> So Potassium (K) is extracted from various sources on earth.
> It has a mixture of Potassium 39 (93.3%) and 41 (6.7%) with
> a tiny fraction of radioactive K 40.
>
>
> >
> > Isn't "discovering" isotopes a convenient way of denying that the atomic mass
> > is the average mass of the atom in gaseous or otherwise moving form?
>
> No. I told you before it is measured with a mass spectrograph.
> "Mass spectrometry (MS) is an analytical technique that ionizes
> chemical species and sorts the ions based on their mass-to-charge
> ratio." - wikipedia
>
> So two isotopes of potassium have the same charge.
> yet they are separated but a different mass.
^^by^^
> The mass difference is always an integer multiple
> of the mass of a neutron.
>
> >
> > The isotope could be the heavier or lighter version of the elemental stable atom.
>
> No, it cannot.
Making my comment clearer: it cannot be just any amount of
heavier or lighter. So, Potassium is mainly the stable weight of 39,
and the rest is the stable isotope with weight of 41. There is
no isotope of potassium, stable or unstable, with weight 39.5
or some other non-integer weight.
[]
> > What you see under a microscope could be a clump of atoms.
> > It could be a singular atom, but how can one be sure?
>
> Other measurements like x-ray crystallography and
> other scattering measurements give data on the dimensions.
> Mass is measured also. The mass data in particular fits
> the standard model. It always seems to come in discrete
> increments.
>
> >
> > When you are talking averages, you are talking about distributions.
> > So if the mode is peaked in the distribution, like all atoms have the same
> > atomic mass, then yes they have the same size.
> > But the atomic mass is rarely integer.
>
>
> The atomic mass is a standard:
> 1 unified atomic mass unit is defined as 1/12th of the mass
> of a single carbon-12 atom, at rest, and refers to a single atom.
> You can get a good approximation of atomic mass by counting
> the number of protons and neutrons. (But also remember
> neutrons and protons are slightly different in mass.)
>
> What you are referring to is the atomic weight which is
> the average over a sample. Note: I mentioned that usually the
> sample comes from a source on earth. Getting a sample from
> an extra terrestrial source can be revealing. Samples
> have different distributions of some isotopes.
>
>
[]
> >
> > If one proton or one electron is NOT equally big as another proton or electron,
>
> One characteristic of the electron is that nothing has been
> measured to tell them apart. A mass spectrograph for electrons
> has been done, and no difference in mass has ever been measured.
>
> Same with the proton. Same mass, measured to 10 significant digits.
> Same charge measured to 11 significant digits. (BTW the proton
> charge has the same absolute value as the electron out to 11 digits.
>
> Given the above, then this conclusion:
> > then natural processes for their union and divison based upon external circs.
> > cannot be discounted.
>
> is FALSE.
> >
[]
> We measure it's mass with the mass spectrometer.
> We get a measure of its diameter by its spectra,
> and it seems the same in gas, solid, or liquid.
> The spectra also gives us a nice count of the number
> of atoms in the solution.
>
> I don't see any data suggesting atoms change size.
[]
> > Not so fast. The theory of matter divisibility to nothing, or rather to
> > aetheric dimensions is not new at all.
>
> It is dead and shall remain dead until and unless there is DATA
> suggesting otherwise.
>
> > It relates to geometry in a way as I pointed out in another thread.
> > Infinitude of points make a straight line.
> > Thus, an infinity of aether-points makes for a speck of matter.
>
> Your conclusion logically does not follow.
>
> You are just playing Philosopher games.
>
> Though you may have been reading too many of john's posts.
>
> I think you try to be a logical guy. I hope you can see the
> logic failures in this variable atomic size theory from homeopathy.
> It just doesn't fit the data.
>
> Think of these issues with that idea:
> * how does the atom know when to split?
> * How does the size of the atoms and number of atoms
> change during diffusion?
> * If an atom gets smaller as you dilute the solution,
> then does it get bigger as the solute evaporates?
> * If an atom gets bigger as the concentration of the solution
> increases, why does it have a finite size when all the
> solute evaporates?
>
> HTH,
> Ed
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-28 16:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3f958866-1ec6-49e2-94ad-1603546e4329@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #647575 |
On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 2:52:29 AM UTC+10, Edward Prochak wrote: > On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 8:25:12 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 7:57:53 AM UTC+10, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 4:21:55 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > > > - snip - > > > > > > > > > > No one has seen a gas molecule or atom. As solid or in solution, an atom could > > > > > > be a group of smaller atoms depending upon external conditions. > > > > > > > > > > Look here: > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_(atoms) > > > > > The article includes an image and a reference to a youtube video. > > > > > (We know how you like youtube.) > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, in gaseous form the atom could become smaller being divided > > > > > > as per external conditions. Maybe, reach the smallest possible atomic state. > > > > > > This may not be the case when it is solid. > > > > > > > > > > Atoms are often measured individually when not a solid. > > > > > Look up: mass spectrometer. > > > > > > > > > > You say, > > > No one has seen a gas molecule or atom. > > > I pointed to IBM moving individual atoms, with an image of the atoms. > > > > Not a gas molecule. > > > > > > you say, > > > "they are the same size because they are frozen solid" > > > I mention the size can be measured when the atom is a gas. > > > > Can you use an electron microscope to see a gas molecule? > > Hint: a gas molecule moves, so it cannot be seen by any kind of microscope > > here I should have said the same mass. My question is can you see the gas molecule and measure its size with the same kind of equipment IBM used to show us an atom? > > > > > > you reply > > > > Again, you don't know if they cannot be broken up into smaller atoms. > > > But not scientific measurement has ever found differences in size > > > (well except for isotopes) > > > > Isotopes can be seen as the heavier version of the same element. > > But the difference is always an integer. That is how they are shown. It could be that there are two or more modes of the atomic mass distribution for the element and those modes are called the isotopes. > > Fatter protons, fatter electrons. > > > > I have now before me the book "Tables of physical and chemical constants" by Kaye and Laby. > > > > I have opened the table of "the chemical elements" > > Most elemnents are not like Oxygen which has an atomic mass number of 16 which > > is the reference perhaps as it is in bold. > > They have fractions like Neon at 20.183, Cadmimum at 112.41, Potassium at > > 39.1 and so on. > > The values reported in the periodic table are for the common average. > IOW, the mix of isotopes on earth. > So Potassium (K) is extracted from various sources on earth. > It has a mixture of Potassium 39 (93.3%) and 41 (6.7%) with > a tiny fraction of radioactive K 40. See above. As I said, if atomic mass distribution has modes in it, then those modes could be seen as isotopes. > > > > > Isn't "discovering" isotopes a convenient way of denying that the atomic mass > > is the average mass of the atom in gaseous or otherwise moving form? > > No. I told you before it is measured with a mass spectrograph. > "Mass spectrometry (MS) is an analytical technique that ionizes > chemical species and sorts the ions based on their mass-to-charge > ratio." - Wikipedia aha, mass to charge ration. Same as for the electron as per Sir JJ Thomson's experiment with CRTs. It does not find the mass of an individual chemical species. > So two isotopes of potassium have the same charge. Isn't that an assumption? A heavier atom of potassium should have more charge as the ionisation will create more charge for it. As it got rid of a bigger electron it would have more charge. > yet they are separated but a different mass. > The mass difference is always an integer multiple > of the mass of a neutron. They certainly will be separated as they have different masses. > > The isotope could be the heavier or lighter version of the elemental stable atom. > > No, it cannot. I don't see why all atoms must be the same size wise. They could be the same under some conditions, but in some other conditions as in solution they could just break up into smaller or larger atoms. > > > So time for your theory to put up or shut up: > > > > I am not really keen about this theory as it is not my work. > > It simple explains things like homeopathy. > > No it doesn't. It does. Homeopathic medicine is stronger the more it is diluted. So one of my scientific friends said it is a hoax as the more you dilute it at some stage there will be no medical atoms. That is why he did not take homeopathy. This was the standard doctrine in the making of homeopathy, though. Dilution makes for strength. All those who take homeopathic medicine know this. > > It would appear then that atoms nicely split up in solution or when moving > > just to keep the concentration constant. > > There's no "appear" about that. It is nonsense. So you say. But who knows. At least homeopathy works unlike anything from e=mcc unless we are talking GPS where yes, two wrongs do make a right. Good for conformal mapping thus. Hold the Earth still, and yes then spacetime equations do work as GPS shows. An Earth moving in aether, would have made the equaitons more difficult, I think. Strange, how the bad works for the good, sometimes. > > How can life cells split, duplicate, if each atom in the cell does not divide into two? > > A cell is BILLIONS of atoms. Half go one way, > half go the other. so it is a false analogy. No it is not. If half the atoms go there, then the power of the cell is reduced by half, quarter and so on with every division. Disastrous! Life just cannot work this way. THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN LIFE IS THUS THEORIZE THAT THE ATOMS SPLIT EQUALLY IN CELL DIVISION TO MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE CELL. As the cell takes in more water from the membrane, the concentration decreases and more atoms have to get into solution to keep up the required concentration. So atoms must divide gracefully and as there are more atoms now there is the possibility for the creation of another cell. Now the mystery is that if the atoms do get halved in mass, how do they regain the mass to the original size before splitting? One may theorise here that when they get halved then they gain in size from the aether; they grow from aether as plants grow from soil. Just as plants once again turn to soil after they die. Hmm, this explains quite a lot, I think. Aether forms all masses as positive and negative charges. When the size of the atom decreases, it again builds up from the aether if it can, or vanishes into aether otherwise. Death then, happens when the cell can no longer build up its atoms from the aether. The notion that the concentration of atoms must remain constant in any solution is thus a very powerful one, as I just worked out. Whether it is a correct idea or not I do not know, but then a theory is just that, a conjecture which may or may not be validated later to the status of an universal fact (for the moment). Knowledge in science is always provisional, or else it turns into a religion like e=mcc. Well, enough for now. I know such great original thoughts from my brown Hindu non-bootlicking genius self are toxic to the western arrogant+horrid racist+bigoted devils, like benj & Co., but what to do; not everyone of a brown colour and strange accent can work in call centres; and so, with a heh-heh Cheers, Arindam Banerjee
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-29 10:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6ebcad89-6611-4b83-933d-b1953b2a9c4d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #647671 |
On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 7:38:13 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote: [] > My question is can you see the gas molecule and measure its size with the > same kind of equipment IBM used to show us an atom? Are you claiming Xenon atoms are a different size as a gas then they are sitting on a chilled nickel plate? You claim to be an experienced and accomplished engineer. Can you propose a test showing the size of atoms changes? Every test I mentioned shows atoms do not changes size, meaning, spatial dimensions or inertial mass or charge. Please, I am not even asking for the experimental results yet. Just describe under what condition does an atom will change size (and what size properties are affected). Otherwise you are just blowing smoke without any real progress in learning. Ed
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-29 18:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3b0cd2ee-206c-4936-8eae-2c6a4d23299d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #647757 |
On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 3:28:39 AM UTC+10, Edward Prochak wrote: > On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 7:38:13 PM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > [] > > My question is can you see the gas molecule and measure its size with the > > same kind of equipment IBM used to show us an atom? > > Are you claiming Xenon atoms are a different size as a gas > then they are sitting on a chilled nickel plate? I am not claiming anything. I am suggesting that a gas atom or molecule becomes bigger or smaller with concentration or dilution, the hypothesis being that the concentration of moving atoms/molecules in any volume has to remain constant. From the above, the answer to your question is, yes. > You claim to be an experienced and accomplished engineer. True. Now that's a claim. > Can you propose a test showing the size of atoms changes? At the moment, no. I don't have the means of estimating the size of a singular atom in a gas with a certain pressure. Nor can I think of any method that will satisfy myself. I look at outer space and find no gas particles. There is nothing there except some solids like asteroids and stars and planets plus meteors and comets. So gas cannot survive in outer space. It subdivides to zero or aether, depending upon point of view, going by my hypothesis. > Every test I mentioned shows atoms do not changes size, > meaning, spatial dimensions or inertial mass or charge. No doubt, they were done under the same set of conditions, as any decent experiment should be. If so, the above does not prove anything one way or the other. Under the same set of conditions, they would exhibit same results. Point is, no one thought that atoms could subdivide as per *non-atomic theory* of matter which while acknowledging the elements and their properties add that there is no minimum size to matter - meaning that the atomic size as we know it could get smaller, or rather, it jolly well will get smaller depending upon circumstances. Just as the non-atomic theory about the infinite divisibility of matter which is by no means a new idea. One must remember, that non-atomic theory only says on top of atomic theory is that there is no minimum size or put another way Avogadro's Number is infinity. I am adding that under certain circumstances such as solution big atoms divide to form more numbers of smaller atoms. > Please, I am not even asking for the experimental results > yet. Just describe under what condition does an atom will > change size (and what size properties are affected). I am suggesting that when cells multiply, we need to know exactly what is happening. How does the material in the cell grow to become two identical cells? Is there an increase of mass in the process? What are the masses of the two divided cells with respect to the original cell? Is there a change? What is the impact of putting more solution in the cell division process? Can we show if some saline or other input in the solution impacts upon the cell division process? Can we agree that prior to division the number of molecules in the cell was twice the number it was when it was formed? Can we track this increase of numbers in the individual live cell? In that process, can we show that a molecule is halving itself? Can we show that after halving itself it is regaining its original weight from somewhere - like say aether? We have to investigate with live cells here and not dead cells. I don't suppose the above experiments will be very easy to do, and I for one would much rather work to make an internal force engine based upon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sSPxGsLkws IFE - 4 Evolution of spaceship > Otherwise you are just blowing smoke without any real > progress in learning. This is unkind and also ridiculous. One can make theories is science without being forced to suggest experiments to prove them. Theories are about explanations of nature, based upon observations - they could be correct, or not. Science is not a one-man job. If someone is interested in any theory, it is for him or her to take it up no matter who initiated it. Science is for everyone, but who will tell that to the bullying racist+bigots, except Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils. > Ed
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| From | Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 21:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <h8n1qctoanj8m94ouskcu5ffqreof33p8a@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #647127 |
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:39:16 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote: >No one has seen a gas molecule or atom. As solid or in solution, an atom could >be a group of smaller atoms depending upon external conditions. Yes, they have. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/IBM_in_atoms.gif The bumps are xenon atoms. Under STP xenon is a gas, but in this photo they're stuck to the flat surface of a crystal of nickel. In the crystal the individual nickel atoms, which are smaller than the xenon atoms, are indistinguishable to the SEM because they're glued together by electron gas. (Or maybe by electron dust...?) -- Goat
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 17:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <599df1d2$0$44668$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #646927 |
On 8/23/2017 11:34 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/23/17 10:26 AM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote: >> I believe that space and time are not infinitely divisible. That >> means that we will find fundamental particles, which cannot be divided >> any further, if we haven't already. How do we discover if space (and >> time) is infinitely divisible or not? >> >> Abhinav Lal >> Writer & Investor >> > > Well, first of all, let's talk about what you mean by a particle, and > what the relationship then would be to an indivisible chuck of spacetime. > > If all you mean by "particle" is "a thing that is not further > divisible", then that's not really what physicists mean by that term. > As usual Odd just drools on imparting zero information on the subject at hand. Bottom line": He says go read a book because he hasn't a clue.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 14:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ffb7337e-7f83-4420-a554-81038eac7497@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #646981 |
benj " As usual Odd just drools on imparting zero information on the subject at hand. Bottom line": He says go read a book because he hasn't a clue. " Are you noticing a marked mental deterioration, with Odd? And what about poor HVAC? Has the Tribulation started with them, maybe?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 16:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <onkt2a$167i$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #646985 |
On 8/23/17 4:28 PM, john wrote: > benj > " > As usual Odd just drools on imparting zero information on the subject at > hand. Bottom line": He says go read a book because he hasn't a clue. " > > Are you noticing a marked mental deterioration, with Odd? > And what about poor HVAC? > Has the Tribulation started with them, maybe? > The Tribulation referred to in the Bible that describes a creator god who created the universe at a finite time in the past, which is an event you John do not believe in? You believe in an eternal universe, extending infinitely long ago in the past, and therefore there was no creation of the universe. So, John, when you say you believe things, but you can't muster a coherent belief system that is consistent, do you see the problem with credibility? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 10:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <599DBCA5.660@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #646926 |
alal65536@gmail.com wrote: > > I believe that space and time are not infinitely divisible. That means that we will find fundamental particles, which cannot be divided any further, if we haven't already. How do we discover if space (and time) is infinitely divisible or not? > > Abhinav Lal > Writer & Investor what is space?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 22:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <599E6731.1EDC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #646933 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > alal65536@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I believe that space and time are not infinitely divisible. That means that we will find fundamental particles, which cannot be divided any further, if we haven't already. How do we discover if space (and time) is infinitely divisible or not? > > > > Abhinav Lal > > Writer & Investor > > what is space? particles have nothing to do with...space. only 4 percent of space contain matter... might as well say 96 percent of space is water..
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 14:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9aa4fce7-6619-4036-a15e-181f7a18fbb5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #646926 |
On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-4, alal...@gmail.com wrote: > I believe that space and time are not infinitely divisible. That means that we will find fundamental particles, which cannot be divided any further, if we haven't already. How do we discover if space (and time) is infinitely divisible or not? > > Abhinav Lal > Writer & Investor There is the idea that space may have a smallest size. It is called the Planck length. It is a consequence of Quantum theory. And if there is a smallest length, then time may also be quantized in a smallest length. But these may only represent the limits of our measurements. If space could be divided smaller, we cannot tell. Bottom like is: we do not yet know the answer to your question. ed
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 17:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <599df17a$0$44668$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #646926 |
On 8/23/2017 11:26 AM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote: > I believe that space and time are not infinitely divisible. That means that we will find fundamental particles, which cannot be divided any further, if we haven't already. How do we discover if space (and time) is infinitely divisible or not? > > Abhinav Lal > Writer & Investor > Old idea. Depends what you mean by "space" and what you mean by "time". "Infinitely divisible" is mathematical concept and hence fantasy. Everything can be infinite or infinitely divisible in your mind. In reality speaking of "infinite" or "infinitely divisible" most likely means you are wrong. Quantum physics is the result of studying the non-infinitely divisible nature of reality (even though physicists are so drilled with mathematics they try their damnedest to even make the indivisible divisible. Those smallest pieces of reality that are possible are basically an extension of the atomic concept and these particles are termed "ultimates".
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 21:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9f1aceda-1e5c-4f97-b8b5-6e0675580132@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #646980 |
On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:20:15 PM UTC-7, benj wrote: > On 8/23/2017 11:26 AM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote: > > I believe that space and time are not infinitely divisible. That means that we will find fundamental particles, which cannot be divided any further, if we haven't already. How do we discover if space (and time) is infinitely divisible or not? > > > > Abhinav Lal > > Writer & Investor > > > Old idea. Depends what you mean by "space" and what you mean by "time". > "Infinitely divisible" is mathematical concept and hence fantasy. > Everything can be infinite or infinitely divisible in your mind. > > In reality speaking of "infinite" or "infinitely divisible" most likely > means you are wrong. Quantum physics is the result of studying the > non-infinitely divisible nature of reality (even though physicists are > so drilled with mathematics they try their damnedest to even make the > indivisible divisible. > > Those smallest pieces of reality that are possible are basically an > extension of the atomic concept and these particles are termed "ultimates". Atoms. "Ultimates", what are these "ultimates", tell me more about this. Why not just atoms. There are usual theories with the continuous or "infinitely divisible" here for example that "atoms" don't divide. You're quite welcome to the stochastic.
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