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  North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic  solution to North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:41 -0700
    Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic   solution to North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-06 23:21 -0700
      Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic   solution to North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 02:29 -0700
        Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic   solution to North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 07:37 -0700
          Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-07 18:53 -0400
        Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and  Logic   solution to North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 09:04 -0700
    We need just one foreign policy-- Doctrine of know your Enemies and your Friends, and trade with only friends Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 02:31 -0700
    Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic  solution to North Korea "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 10:54 -0700
      Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic  solution to North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 10:58 -0700
      Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic  solution to North Korea "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 13:39 -0700
        Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic  solution to North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 19:22 -0700

#639198 — North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:29:33 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic
 solution to North Korea
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:29:33 +0000


North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

Below are some older posts elaborating on this key science principle. 

Now I am a scientist and a logical minded person. I know that biology, physics, economics, even political science, even psychology come in play here. 

Consider:: suppose the Universe has many planets just like Earth, only countries with different names and different evolution paths. But all share the same experiences when it comes to physics of developing nuclear weapons. All have that same physics. 

But all have variations on how they handled the nuclear weapons. We know for sure only how Earth handles and has handled it. 

We know Earth had a MAD policy of Mutual Assured Destruction. Say what you want to say, it has kept the peace from 1945 onwards. This is now 2017. Evolution of handling nuclear weapons has been very much to be happy and celebrated from 1945 to 2017 because no Nuclear War has arisen in those 72 years elapsed time. Oh sure, there was nuclear power station failures like Chernobyl and Japan's Fukushima disasters, but no nuclear wars. All because, well MAD concept is a great concept and has held the peace. 

Now if there are other planets like Earth, they too would have gone through a MAD, unless they had a nuclear war because not smart or emotional enough to install MAD early on, after inventing nuclear weapons. 

But now, Earth is experiencing a twist in evolution, that you had MAD keeping the peace but you have all these 3rd or 2nd world countries wanting to build nuclear weapons-- North Korea, Iran. They want to be countries like the first countries to build nuclear and embrace MAD. Only these new kids on the block have not the intelligence nor attitude of a MAD concept and embrace. 

So, in Earth's history comes a time to modify MAD, or add on to MAD concept, so as to ensure the safety and peace of the World for the next 72 years. 

MAD, when invented in 1945 or thereabouts, did not anticipate the day when all these non nuclear states wanted to go nuclear. MAD was all about those who had nuclear. 

So, what needs to be done, by science, by logic, by clear thinking, is not only MAD-- mutual assured destruction, but an appendage to MAD-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH. 

So, when North Korea tests its next missile, we launch from South Korea or a ship off of North Korea coast, we launch a missile that knocks out the North Korean missile and a few other missiles that knocks out the launch pad and sites. 

In order for peace to endure without any nuclear war for the next 72 years, the Science Policy, the World Policy has to be this:: 

1. MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION MAD upheld 

2. YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH, a appendage to MAD so as to stop nuclear weapons proliferation 

Only in this manner can the planet Earth endure another 72 years with the maximum chance of no nuclear war. 

Sanctions do not work, and only slow things down, but only YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH is the linchpin of keeping things safe from nuclear war. 

So, the USA reached a moment in time, that we can no longer tell whether the next North Korea launch is a test or the real thing-- a hot weapon. 

That forces the USA to announce, the next NK test will be shot out of the sky and the site blown up along with the missile. 

Now, planets like Earth as advanced or more advanced than Earth all went through these stages. And the ones that did not implement YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH, those planets probably had a nuclear war a short time after a rogue state kept testing missiles. 

Newsgroups: sci.physics 
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 02:34:55 -0700 (PDT) 

Subject: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:34:55 +0000 


Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 

And used on Iran if they follow the route of NK 

The key is to let everyone know, so there are no surprizes 

Let friends and allies and foes all know what is going down 

Park a fleet off Korea armed heavily with missiles 

Monitor NK precisely 

The minute NK looks to be launching a missile is to launch ours to take it out and the missile launch site itself 

We need to do this because it is no longer "testing" and NK is now firing missiles at "other nations, other people" 

Let everyone know, especially Russia and China. That the very next missile launch in NK is a hostile act, an act of aggression, and we are in self defence mode by blowing up the missile and its launch pad. 

NK wants war, let us snuff them out before they embroil the world in war. 

The pattern that is delivered to NK has to be a pattern that stops all countries from being "like NK". A pattern that can be duplicated on Iran should they feel emboldened by NK. 

Keep testing missiles and you receive one on your rooftop. 

AP 

Newsgroups: sci.physics 
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:38:29 -0700 (PDT) 

Subject: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:38:30 +0000 


All North Koreas-- countries that build nuclear weapons for war end up in the same fate-- the rest of the world can no longer tell if a given event is a test or, the real thing, no longer tell. Is it a test or is it a Pearl Harbor. 

NK recently murdered Otto Warmbier, a college student, recently murdered a brother of the current leader. NK is on a road of death and destruction. Sanctions do not work. We saw that with Hitler. 

The only thing that does work is physical force upon the rising force. 

Another Pearl Harbor is too late. 

What needs to happen now is a lesson for all future NK's like Iran. 

Testing of nuclear weapons and missiles is the same as war itself--we cannot see any difference. We played the sanctions game for more than 15 years. We are now in the endgame -- you launch and we launch. 

We no longer know nor care if you are testing or "being real". 

NK has reached the point of no return. 

AP 

Newsgroups: sci.physics 
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 02:35:12 -0700 (PDT) 

Subject: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- 
 most logical, most effective 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:35:12 +0000 


You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 

So tell the North Koreans, tell them first, especially tell them plain and clear, then China then Russia, then everyone else. 

The USA can no longer tell if missiles from North Korea are "tests" or, are the "real thing" 

So, in self defense, we park our Navy ships equipped with missiles and have our antimissile hardware on South Korea. 

And the first sign of any, and all North Korean missile launches is met with missiles from USA that destroy the missile and also the missile site. 

It seems as if, the North Koreans, never expected a DAY OF LOGICAL RECKONING. It seems as if the NK government could go on forever building and testing and building more. 

They were blind to logic. 

For there comes a day in which the "rest of the world is fed up" 

And that day is when the rest of the world, can no longer TELL IF A MISSILE IS A TEST OR IS THE REAL THING. 

So, that means self defense. 

That means knocking out any and every missile launched in North Korea. 

The regime seems blind to the fact that USA had a Pearl Harbor, and the USA is not about to let things come close to a "second Pearl Harbor". 

So, in the era of Nuclear Weapons, we had to have MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION to keep the peace for some 60 years or more. 

But now there is a new threat-- little countries, irresponsible and building nuclear weapons. 

This new threat cannot be contained by sanctions. Sanctions slow the building down. But do not end the building, stop the building, only slowing it down. 

So, we need a NEW METHOD, a method to broaden the MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION, and that new method is "YOU LAUNCH And WE in Self Defense KNOCK out the MISSILE" 

We no longer ask questions-- were you testing or were you being "for real". We cannot afford to ask questions. 

YOU LAUNCH, We LAUNCH and KNOCK YOUR SITE AND MISSILE OUT. 

Iran is trying to follow North Korea. Sanctions slow these regimes, but sanctions are not the final answer. 

Physical force is stopped by Physical Means. 

So the WORLD has two METHODS to keep the world safe from Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War:: 

1) Mutual Assured Destruction 

2) You launch-- then we launch 

Unless we do number (2) we just repeat another Pearl Harbor, only this time with nuclear weapons. 

And, (2) can be expanded to that of those countries building fissile war materials to that of 

3) You build war materials-- then we invade your building 

Nuclear weapons can never be a "playing game". Nuclear Weapons have to be utmost, topmost ultra serious. Nip it in the bud early on. 

AP 


On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 4:49:51 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.math: 

the logical system for dealing with North Korea missiles 


Newsgroups: sci.math 
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) 

Subject: You Launch, We Launch Re: the logical system for dealing with North 
 Korea missiles 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:27:36 +0000 


You Launch, We Launch Re: the logical system for dealing with North Korea missiles 

Now, we do not come into this position of 2) You Launch, We Launch 

From a vacuum, for we come into this position having learned from past previous history 

The history I speak of is the history of terrorism. 

I was lucky, or unlucky to have lived in a day when a terrorist group was protected by a foreign country, and if those terrorists live there-- a foreign country, you could not step foot inside that foreign country. 

So these terrorists would go to the USA or other country, wreck havoc, then run and hide in the sheltered foreign country. Believe it or not, that is how it worked before Sept 11, 2001. 

Imagine that, how silly and stupid that policy was, but the policy was really obeyed-- terrorists were untouchable once they hide inside a foreign country. 

Then came along Sept11, 2001 with the huge terror attack in the USA with the twin towers knocked down with suicide planes. 

Now, fast forward to North Korea. 

Is not the watching and watching and watching missile tests after missile tests after missile tests, the very same thing as "Miss Twinkle Toes Hiding behind a Foreign Country Screen of Do Not Enter" the same picture, the same scene as terrorists protected by "Hiding in a Foreign Country" 

So, we let Bin Laden get away with hiding until he terrorized New York et al in 2001. We watched and watched and let him hide in Afghanistan. 

With North Korea, we watch and watch missile tests, until when? 

Do we watch until he lands a missile in San Francisco, then we say, Foreign Countries are no longer a barrier to going in and stopping missile tests. 

In the day of Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War, at what point is it absurd that a backward country is testing missiles. At what point is it understood as insane to let this testing continue. 

Do the grown-ups come in and stop it after San Francisco is leveled. Or do the grown-ups wisen up and preempt the Road of Insanity? 

With North Korea, testing missiles for 20 years, we no longer can tell if any given test is a test or is not a test but the actual thing-- missile live to level. 

Is America only moved to action, to senses, after a Pearl Harbor. Or, has America learned from Pearl Harbor. 

You Launch, We Launch 

You Launch, We Launch 

We no longer care if you are testing or not testing 

We want self defence 

You Launch, We Launch 

AP 

Newsgroups: sci.physics 
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:27:55 -0700 (PDT) 

Subject: Re: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea 
 missiles-- most logical, most effective 
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:27:55 +0000 


Re: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 

We have no way of knowing if any NK launch or Iranian launch is "just a test" 

Hence 

You launch We launch destroying the missile and the launch site 

AP 

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#639274 — Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

i don't understand...a guy likes to blow up firecrackers in his back
yard and people get all upset. It's his backyard!

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#639281 — Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 1:22:12 AM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> i don't understand...a guy likes to blow up firecrackers in his back
> yard and people get all upset. It's his backyard!

You have the mind of a teenager that is absent of seriousness.

We are talking nuclear weapons, not playing football in your backyard.

Sci.physics should kick out these robots of Starmaker, Reber, KCIR2. They cheapen the place.

AP

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#639295 — Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

Archibald says
Sci.physics should kick out these robots of Starmaker, Reber, KCIR2. They cheapen the place. 
----------

Request denied

H.V.A.C.
Moderator Emeritus
sci.physics

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#639364 — Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

On 7/7/2017 10:37 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Archibald says
> Sci.physics should kick out these robots of Starmaker, Reber, KCIR2. They cheapen the place.
> ----------
> 
> Request denied
> 
> H.V.A.C.
> Moderator Emeritus
> sci.physics
> 
Hey you didn't quote that right! I do believe MY NAME is included in his 
list.

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#639309 — Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 1:22:12 AM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> > i don't understand...a guy likes to blow up firecrackers in his back
> > yard and people get all upset. It's his backyard!
> 
> You have the mind of a teenager that is absent of seriousness.
> 
> We are talking nuclear weapons, not playing football in your backyard.


He did not launch any nuclear weapons. you're spreading fake news.

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#639282 — We need just one foreign policy-- Doctrine of know your Enemies and your Friends, and trade with only friends

Newsgroups: sci.math
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 01:41:54 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Doctrine of Foreign Policy-- Know you Friends from Enemies Re: North
 Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to
 North Korea
From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
Injection-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 08:41:54 +0000


Doctrine of Foreign Policy-- Know you Friends from Enemies Re: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea

MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction kept the peace in the world from Nuclear War from 1945 to 2017. 

But a key component of MAD, is that if we see some missiles fired, we have not much time to call up and ask-- did you Russia fire or did you China fire? We do not have time to gabb on the phone-- did you fire and are they nuclear tipped. 

The way MAD works is , you fire, we fire,,,... 

So, now, the world cannot afford some 3rd world country to be in amongst the dangerous 1st world of mostly US, Russia, China. 

And the MECHANISM is you fire, we fire, or else it is Not Mutual Assured but rather-- a Conquering of one over the other. 

The North Korea continual testing, is a war action itself. In MAD, there is no difference between missile testing and war itself. 

So, what needs be done, is have on South Korea, or on a ship-- the moment a North Korea missile is launched we have no idea if it is nuclear tipped or not, so we shot the missile out of the sky, and we destroy the site itself. 

And, whenever we destroy a NK missile launch, the world itself is on the highest alert, for we need to know that Russia, China, Pakistan, India and everyone else who has nuclear weapons, does not start WW3, nuclear. 

Now, the USA needs a Doctrine of Telling Apart Enemies from Friends. After the Vietnam War, and during the Vietnam War, the USA got terribly sloppy in Foreign Policy, terribly sloppy. 

If the USA had been careful after WW2, the USA would now be the most powerful country 10 times over its nearest rival. As it stands now, because of the US terrible foreign policy -- oh, let us be nice to our enemies, let our enemies build crap and flood US stores with cheap junk, oh, let us give aid to anyone and everyone. If the USA had had a Doctrine of Telling Apart Enemies from Friends after WW2, today China would not be equal or surpassing the USA in economy and almost on equal footing of military might. Today, Russia would not be about equal to US on military might. 

What the Doctrine of Telling Apart Enemies from Friends is about is we determine who is with us or against us, and if against, we never deal with them, we ignore. Two crazy things the US did in the 1900s was Vietnam and opening the door to China. If the USA had ignored both Vietnam and China, they would be almost as backward as they were in 1970. 

Only Reagan seemed to understand a Doctrine of Telling Apart Enemies from Friends. 

Russia, still looks at the USA as a horrible foe, and does things only to irritate the USA. 

We need a Doctrine of Foreign Policy that lasts for centuries, and is well known. This craziness of every president having his own doctrine, has only made USA weak and weaker. 

Now if a country is on the enemy list, it means we have to ignore it, and it means, we cannot trade and have economic ties. Because as we see with China, we gave them their prosperity, and what did we get in return-- cheap goods. 

Somewhere between 1945 and 1999, some idiotic foreign policy was borne to open up all countries to trading, even if the countries are lasting enemies and wish us harm. 

Political Science is actually a science, and in that science, countries are like individual people. When we are friends with people, we trade with them, we share with them, but when we are faced with enemies, who hate us and mean us harm, why open the door to them and share and trade with them? Why? Because some crackpot economists say that economy has to be global? Some loose wired and marbled economists think global free trading is the way to go? No, countries are like individual people, and we deal with those that we are friends with and totally ignore those that mean us harm. If our enemies get large, means we need more friends. We never do things to make our small enemies become large enemies. 

So what was the idiotic idea in the 1900s to have global free trade, making our enemies grow larger and larger? What was that idiotic idea and policy? It was all about making more money, more money and faster money. So that we fill our stores with cheap China made junk, enabling China to become as big as USA. But what instead, the USA had been smart in the 1900s as it was smart about Russia, it as enemy and we want no way of aiding Russia to become bigger than USA. What if the USA treated China as it did Russia in the 1900s. What if Nixon had never opened China? 

You see, how the grub for money and jobs-- opening China was the driving force and contrary to a Doctrine of Knowing Your Friends and Your Enemies. 

China and North Korea are one and the same. 

Cut back on China trading, even if it means a 0 growth rate in US economy. 

Only when countries show signs that they are "friendly to USA" do we trade and share with them. 

If China cannot throw out the North Korea missiles, then, we stop trading with China, even though we lose jobs. 

Have a Doctrine that transcends any new president, and this idiocy of every president having his own Foreign Policy. 

The horrible decline of USA might from about 1970 to 2000, a span of just 30 years, where the USA fell from #1 and China rose to #1. That all can be attributed to an idiotic foreign policy of treating everyone as friends, even though they wish us harm. In just the span of 30 years, the USA fell into #2. All because the US presidents have their own crazy quilt Foreign Policy everytime a new president enters office. 

Which is better, a USA going into a recession while China goes into a depression by ceasing trading with China, because they refuse to stop North Korea. Or, a North Korea that starts a nuclear World War 3. Which is better? Of course, cease trading with China, would enrich the USA because we have to manufacture once again, back home here in the USA. So the recession would be short lived for the USA, but would be a depression in China, and finally, China would straighten out that North Korea. 

AP 

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On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 3:41:48 PM UTC-7, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Newsgroups: sci.math
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:29:33 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> Subject: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic
>  solution to North Korea
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
> Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:29:33 +0000
> 
> 
> North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea
> 
> Below are some older posts elaborating on this key science principle. 
> 
> Now I am a scientist and a logical minded person. I know that biology, physics, economics, even political science, even psychology come in play here. 
> 
> Consider:: suppose the Universe has many planets just like Earth, only countries with different names and different evolution paths. But all share the same experiences when it comes to physics of developing nuclear weapons. All have that same physics. 
> 
> But all have variations on how they handled the nuclear weapons. We know for sure only how Earth handles and has handled it. 
> 
> We know Earth had a MAD policy of Mutual Assured Destruction. Say what you want to say, it has kept the peace from 1945 onwards. This is now 2017. Evolution of handling nuclear weapons has been very much to be happy and celebrated from 1945 to 2017 because no Nuclear War has arisen in those 72 years elapsed time. Oh sure, there was nuclear power station failures like Chernobyl and Japan's Fukushima disasters, but no nuclear wars. All because, well MAD concept is a great concept and has held the peace. 
> 
> Now if there are other planets like Earth, they too would have gone through a MAD, unless they had a nuclear war because not smart or emotional enough to install MAD early on, after inventing nuclear weapons. 
> 
> But now, Earth is experiencing a twist in evolution, that you had MAD keeping the peace but you have all these 3rd or 2nd world countries wanting to build nuclear weapons-- North Korea, Iran. They want to be countries like the first countries to build nuclear and embrace MAD. Only these new kids on the block have not the intelligence nor attitude of a MAD concept and embrace. 
> 
> So, in Earth's history comes a time to modify MAD, or add on to MAD concept, so as to ensure the safety and peace of the World for the next 72 years. 
> 
> MAD, when invented in 1945 or thereabouts, did not anticipate the day when all these non nuclear states wanted to go nuclear. MAD was all about those who had nuclear. 
> 
> So, what needs to be done, by science, by logic, by clear thinking, is not only MAD-- mutual assured destruction, but an appendage to MAD-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH. 
> 
> So, when North Korea tests its next missile, we launch from South Korea or a ship off of North Korea coast, we launch a missile that knocks out the North Korean missile and a few other missiles that knocks out the launch pad and sites. 
> 
> In order for peace to endure without any nuclear war for the next 72 years, the Science Policy, the World Policy has to be this:: 
> 
> 1. MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION MAD upheld 
> 
> 2. YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH, a appendage to MAD so as to stop nuclear weapons proliferation 
> 
> Only in this manner can the planet Earth endure another 72 years with the maximum chance of no nuclear war. 
> 
> Sanctions do not work, and only slow things down, but only YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH is the linchpin of keeping things safe from nuclear war. 
> 
> So, the USA reached a moment in time, that we can no longer tell whether the next North Korea launch is a test or the real thing-- a hot weapon. 
> 
> That forces the USA to announce, the next NK test will be shot out of the sky and the site blown up along with the missile. 
> 
> Now, planets like Earth as advanced or more advanced than Earth all went through these stages. And the ones that did not implement YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH, those planets probably had a nuclear war a short time after a rogue state kept testing missiles. 
> 
> Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 02:34:55 -0700 (PDT) 
> 
> Subject: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:34:55 +0000 
> 
> 
> Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> 
> And used on Iran if they follow the route of NK 
> 
> The key is to let everyone know, so there are no surprizes 
> 
> Let friends and allies and foes all know what is going down 
> 
> Park a fleet off Korea armed heavily with missiles 
> 
> Monitor NK precisely 
> 
> The minute NK looks to be launching a missile is to launch ours to take it out and the missile launch site itself 
> 
> We need to do this because it is no longer "testing" and NK is now firing missiles at "other nations, other people" 
> 
> Let everyone know, especially Russia and China. That the very next missile launch in NK is a hostile act, an act of aggression, and we are in self defence mode by blowing up the missile and its launch pad. 
> 
> NK wants war, let us snuff them out before they embroil the world in war. 
> 
> The pattern that is delivered to NK has to be a pattern that stops all countries from being "like NK". A pattern that can be duplicated on Iran should they feel emboldened by NK. 
> 
> Keep testing missiles and you receive one on your rooftop. 
> 
> AP 
> 
> Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:38:29 -0700 (PDT) 
> 
> Subject: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:38:30 +0000 
> 
> 
> All North Koreas-- countries that build nuclear weapons for war end up in the same fate-- the rest of the world can no longer tell if a given event is a test or, the real thing, no longer tell. Is it a test or is it a Pearl Harbor. 
> 
> NK recently murdered Otto Warmbier, a college student, recently murdered a brother of the current leader. NK is on a road of death and destruction. Sanctions do not work. We saw that with Hitler. 
> 
> The only thing that does work is physical force upon the rising force. 
> 
> Another Pearl Harbor is too late. 
> 
> What needs to happen now is a lesson for all future NK's like Iran. 
> 
> Testing of nuclear weapons and missiles is the same as war itself--we cannot see any difference. We played the sanctions game for more than 15 years. We are now in the endgame -- you launch and we launch. 
> 
> We no longer know nor care if you are testing or "being real". 
> 
> NK has reached the point of no return. 
> 
> AP 
> 
> Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 02:35:12 -0700 (PDT) 
> 
> Subject: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- 
>  most logical, most effective 
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:35:12 +0000 
> 
> 
> You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> 
> So tell the North Koreans, tell them first, especially tell them plain and clear, then China then Russia, then everyone else. 
> 
> The USA can no longer tell if missiles from North Korea are "tests" or, are the "real thing" 
> 
> So, in self defense, we park our Navy ships equipped with missiles and have our antimissile hardware on South Korea. 
> 
> And the first sign of any, and all North Korean missile launches is met with missiles from USA that destroy the missile and also the missile site. 
> 
> It seems as if, the North Koreans, never expected a DAY OF LOGICAL RECKONING. It seems as if the NK government could go on forever building and testing and building more. 
> 
> They were blind to logic. 
> 
> For there comes a day in which the "rest of the world is fed up" 
> 
> And that day is when the rest of the world, can no longer TELL IF A MISSILE IS A TEST OR IS THE REAL THING. 
> 
> So, that means self defense. 
> 
> That means knocking out any and every missile launched in North Korea. 
> 
> The regime seems blind to the fact that USA had a Pearl Harbor, and the USA is not about to let things come close to a "second Pearl Harbor". 
> 
> So, in the era of Nuclear Weapons, we had to have MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION to keep the peace for some 60 years or more. 
> 
> But now there is a new threat-- little countries, irresponsible and building nuclear weapons. 
> 
> This new threat cannot be contained by sanctions. Sanctions slow the building down. But do not end the building, stop the building, only slowing it down. 
> 
> So, we need a NEW METHOD, a method to broaden the MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION, and that new method is "YOU LAUNCH And WE in Self Defense KNOCK out the MISSILE" 
> 
> We no longer ask questions-- were you testing or were you being "for real". We cannot afford to ask questions. 
> 
> YOU LAUNCH, We LAUNCH and KNOCK YOUR SITE AND MISSILE OUT. 
> 
> Iran is trying to follow North Korea. Sanctions slow these regimes, but sanctions are not the final answer. 
> 
> Physical force is stopped by Physical Means. 
> 
> So the WORLD has two METHODS to keep the world safe from Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War:: 
> 
> 1) Mutual Assured Destruction 
> 
> 2) You launch-- then we launch 
> 
> Unless we do number (2) we just repeat another Pearl Harbor, only this time with nuclear weapons. 
> 
> And, (2) can be expanded to that of those countries building fissile war materials to that of 
> 
> 3) You build war materials-- then we invade your building 
> 
> Nuclear weapons can never be a "playing game". Nuclear Weapons have to be utmost, topmost ultra serious. Nip it in the bud early on. 
> 
> AP 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 4:49:51 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.math: 
> 
> the logical system for dealing with North Korea missiles 
> 
> 
> Newsgroups: sci.math 
> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) 
> 
> Subject: You Launch, We Launch Re: the logical system for dealing with North 
>  Korea missiles 
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:27:36 +0000 
> 
> 
> You Launch, We Launch Re: the logical system for dealing with North Korea missiles 
> 
> Now, we do not come into this position of 2) You Launch, We Launch 
> 
> From a vacuum, for we come into this position having learned from past previous history 
> 
> The history I speak of is the history of terrorism. 
> 
> I was lucky, or unlucky to have lived in a day when a terrorist group was protected by a foreign country, and if those terrorists live there-- a foreign country, you could not step foot inside that foreign country. 
> 
> So these terrorists would go to the USA or other country, wreck havoc, then run and hide in the sheltered foreign country. Believe it or not, that is how it worked before Sept 11, 2001. 
> 
> Imagine that, how silly and stupid that policy was, but the policy was really obeyed-- terrorists were untouchable once they hide inside a foreign country. 
> 
> Then came along Sept11, 2001 with the huge terror attack in the USA with the twin towers knocked down with suicide planes. 
> 
> Now, fast forward to North Korea. 
> 
> Is not the watching and watching and watching missile tests after missile tests after missile tests, the very same thing as "Miss Twinkle Toes Hiding behind a Foreign Country Screen of Do Not Enter" the same picture, the same scene as terrorists protected by "Hiding in a Foreign Country" 
> 
> So, we let Bin Laden get away with hiding until he terrorized New York et al in 2001. We watched and watched and let him hide in Afghanistan. 
> 
> With North Korea, we watch and watch missile tests, until when? 
> 
> Do we watch until he lands a missile in San Francisco, then we say, Foreign Countries are no longer a barrier to going in and stopping missile tests. 
> 
> In the day of Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War, at what point is it absurd that a backward country is testing missiles. At what point is it understood as insane to let this testing continue. 
> 
> Do the grown-ups come in and stop it after San Francisco is leveled. Or do the grown-ups wisen up and preempt the Road of Insanity? 
> 
> With North Korea, testing missiles for 20 years, we no longer can tell if any given test is a test or is not a test but the actual thing-- missile live to level. 
> 
> Is America only moved to action, to senses, after a Pearl Harbor. Or, has America learned from Pearl Harbor. 
> 
> You Launch, We Launch 
> 
> You Launch, We Launch 
> 
> We no longer care if you are testing or not testing 
> 
> We want self defence 
> 
> You Launch, We Launch 
> 
> AP 
> 
> Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:27:55 -0700 (PDT) 
> 
> Subject: Re: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea 
>  missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:27:55 +0000 
> 
> 
> Re: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> 
> We have no way of knowing if any NK launch or Iranian launch is "just a test" 
> 
> Hence 
> 
> You launch We launch destroying the missile and the launch site 
> 
> AP

Sounds like a bluff in the game of poker.Then there is Trump,and he is ace of spades.10s and 8s is the hand both are holding. I hope both will fold. Go figure Trebert

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#639321

<poraty350@gmail.com> wrote:
Incurable idiot  Reber , just stick it once and for all 
you are wasting your poor life and others for nonsense
elusive  physics (Glazierola) that does not exist  !!
except in  you imagination. So take my above advice
and the sooner - the better !!! for you and for all of us !!
Y.Porat

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#639335

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 10:54:51 AM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 3:41:48 PM UTC-7, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > Newsgroups: sci.math
> > Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:29:33 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > Subject: North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic
> >  solution to North Korea
> > From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com>
> > Injection-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:29:33 +0000
> > 
> > 
> > North Korea solved-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH// The Science and Logic solution to North Korea
> > 
> > Below are some older posts elaborating on this key science principle. 
> > 
> > Now I am a scientist and a logical minded person. I know that biology, physics, economics, even political science, even psychology come in play here. 
> > 
> > Consider:: suppose the Universe has many planets just like Earth, only countries with different names and different evolution paths. But all share the same experiences when it comes to physics of developing nuclear weapons. All have that same physics. 
> > 
> > But all have variations on how they handled the nuclear weapons. We know for sure only how Earth handles and has handled it. 
> > 
> > We know Earth had a MAD policy of Mutual Assured Destruction. Say what you want to say, it has kept the peace from 1945 onwards. This is now 2017. Evolution of handling nuclear weapons has been very much to be happy and celebrated from 1945 to 2017 because no Nuclear War has arisen in those 72 years elapsed time. Oh sure, there was nuclear power station failures like Chernobyl and Japan's Fukushima disasters, but no nuclear wars. All because, well MAD concept is a great concept and has held the peace. 
> > 
> > Now if there are other planets like Earth, they too would have gone through a MAD, unless they had a nuclear war because not smart or emotional enough to install MAD early on, after inventing nuclear weapons. 
> > 
> > But now, Earth is experiencing a twist in evolution, that you had MAD keeping the peace but you have all these 3rd or 2nd world countries wanting to build nuclear weapons-- North Korea, Iran. They want to be countries like the first countries to build nuclear and embrace MAD. Only these new kids on the block have not the intelligence nor attitude of a MAD concept and embrace. 
> > 
> > So, in Earth's history comes a time to modify MAD, or add on to MAD concept, so as to ensure the safety and peace of the World for the next 72 years. 
> > 
> > MAD, when invented in 1945 or thereabouts, did not anticipate the day when all these non nuclear states wanted to go nuclear. MAD was all about those who had nuclear. 
> > 
> > So, what needs to be done, by science, by logic, by clear thinking, is not only MAD-- mutual assured destruction, but an appendage to MAD-- YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH. 
> > 
> > So, when North Korea tests its next missile, we launch from South Korea or a ship off of North Korea coast, we launch a missile that knocks out the North Korean missile and a few other missiles that knocks out the launch pad and sites. 
> > 
> > In order for peace to endure without any nuclear war for the next 72 years, the Science Policy, the World Policy has to be this:: 
> > 
> > 1. MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION MAD upheld 
> > 
> > 2. YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH, a appendage to MAD so as to stop nuclear weapons proliferation 
> > 
> > Only in this manner can the planet Earth endure another 72 years with the maximum chance of no nuclear war. 
> > 
> > Sanctions do not work, and only slow things down, but only YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH is the linchpin of keeping things safe from nuclear war. 
> > 
> > So, the USA reached a moment in time, that we can no longer tell whether the next North Korea launch is a test or the real thing-- a hot weapon. 
> > 
> > That forces the USA to announce, the next NK test will be shot out of the sky and the site blown up along with the missile. 
> > 
> > Now, planets like Earth as advanced or more advanced than Earth all went through these stages. And the ones that did not implement YOU LAUNCH, WE LAUNCH, those planets probably had a nuclear war a short time after a rogue state kept testing missiles. 
> > 
> > Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 02:34:55 -0700 (PDT) 
> > 
> > Subject: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> > From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> > Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:34:55 +0000 
> > 
> > 
> > Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> > 
> > And used on Iran if they follow the route of NK 
> > 
> > The key is to let everyone know, so there are no surprizes 
> > 
> > Let friends and allies and foes all know what is going down 
> > 
> > Park a fleet off Korea armed heavily with missiles 
> > 
> > Monitor NK precisely 
> > 
> > The minute NK looks to be launching a missile is to launch ours to take it out and the missile launch site itself 
> > 
> > We need to do this because it is no longer "testing" and NK is now firing missiles at "other nations, other people" 
> > 
> > Let everyone know, especially Russia and China. That the very next missile launch in NK is a hostile act, an act of aggression, and we are in self defence mode by blowing up the missile and its launch pad. 
> > 
> > NK wants war, let us snuff them out before they embroil the world in war. 
> > 
> > The pattern that is delivered to NK has to be a pattern that stops all countries from being "like NK". A pattern that can be duplicated on Iran should they feel emboldened by NK. 
> > 
> > Keep testing missiles and you receive one on your rooftop. 
> > 
> > AP 
> > 
> > Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:38:29 -0700 (PDT) 
> > 
> > Subject: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> > From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> > Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:38:30 +0000 
> > 
> > 
> > All North Koreas-- countries that build nuclear weapons for war end up in the same fate-- the rest of the world can no longer tell if a given event is a test or, the real thing, no longer tell. Is it a test or is it a Pearl Harbor. 
> > 
> > NK recently murdered Otto Warmbier, a college student, recently murdered a brother of the current leader. NK is on a road of death and destruction. Sanctions do not work. We saw that with Hitler. 
> > 
> > The only thing that does work is physical force upon the rising force. 
> > 
> > Another Pearl Harbor is too late. 
> > 
> > What needs to happen now is a lesson for all future NK's like Iran. 
> > 
> > Testing of nuclear weapons and missiles is the same as war itself--we cannot see any difference. We played the sanctions game for more than 15 years. We are now in the endgame -- you launch and we launch. 
> > 
> > We no longer know nor care if you are testing or "being real". 
> > 
> > NK has reached the point of no return. 
> > 
> > AP 
> > 
> > Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 02:35:12 -0700 (PDT) 
> > 
> > Subject: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- 
> >  most logical, most effective 
> > From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> > Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:35:12 +0000 
> > 
> > 
> > You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> > 
> > So tell the North Koreans, tell them first, especially tell them plain and clear, then China then Russia, then everyone else. 
> > 
> > The USA can no longer tell if missiles from North Korea are "tests" or, are the "real thing" 
> > 
> > So, in self defense, we park our Navy ships equipped with missiles and have our antimissile hardware on South Korea. 
> > 
> > And the first sign of any, and all North Korean missile launches is met with missiles from USA that destroy the missile and also the missile site. 
> > 
> > It seems as if, the North Koreans, never expected a DAY OF LOGICAL RECKONING. It seems as if the NK government could go on forever building and testing and building more. 
> > 
> > They were blind to logic. 
> > 
> > For there comes a day in which the "rest of the world is fed up" 
> > 
> > And that day is when the rest of the world, can no longer TELL IF A MISSILE IS A TEST OR IS THE REAL THING. 
> > 
> > So, that means self defense. 
> > 
> > That means knocking out any and every missile launched in North Korea. 
> > 
> > The regime seems blind to the fact that USA had a Pearl Harbor, and the USA is not about to let things come close to a "second Pearl Harbor". 
> > 
> > So, in the era of Nuclear Weapons, we had to have MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION to keep the peace for some 60 years or more. 
> > 
> > But now there is a new threat-- little countries, irresponsible and building nuclear weapons. 
> > 
> > This new threat cannot be contained by sanctions. Sanctions slow the building down. But do not end the building, stop the building, only slowing it down. 
> > 
> > So, we need a NEW METHOD, a method to broaden the MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION, and that new method is "YOU LAUNCH And WE in Self Defense KNOCK out the MISSILE" 
> > 
> > We no longer ask questions-- were you testing or were you being "for real". We cannot afford to ask questions. 
> > 
> > YOU LAUNCH, We LAUNCH and KNOCK YOUR SITE AND MISSILE OUT. 
> > 
> > Iran is trying to follow North Korea. Sanctions slow these regimes, but sanctions are not the final answer. 
> > 
> > Physical force is stopped by Physical Means. 
> > 
> > So the WORLD has two METHODS to keep the world safe from Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War:: 
> > 
> > 1) Mutual Assured Destruction 
> > 
> > 2) You launch-- then we launch 
> > 
> > Unless we do number (2) we just repeat another Pearl Harbor, only this time with nuclear weapons. 
> > 
> > And, (2) can be expanded to that of those countries building fissile war materials to that of 
> > 
> > 3) You build war materials-- then we invade your building 
> > 
> > Nuclear weapons can never be a "playing game". Nuclear Weapons have to be utmost, topmost ultra serious. Nip it in the bud early on. 
> > 
> > AP 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, June 25, 2017 at 4:49:51 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.math: 
> > 
> > the logical system for dealing with North Korea missiles 
> > 
> > 
> > Newsgroups: sci.math 
> > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT) 
> > 
> > Subject: You Launch, We Launch Re: the logical system for dealing with North 
> >  Korea missiles 
> > From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> > Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 21:27:36 +0000 
> > 
> > 
> > You Launch, We Launch Re: the logical system for dealing with North Korea missiles 
> > 
> > Now, we do not come into this position of 2) You Launch, We Launch 
> > 
> > From a vacuum, for we come into this position having learned from past previous history 
> > 
> > The history I speak of is the history of terrorism. 
> > 
> > I was lucky, or unlucky to have lived in a day when a terrorist group was protected by a foreign country, and if those terrorists live there-- a foreign country, you could not step foot inside that foreign country. 
> > 
> > So these terrorists would go to the USA or other country, wreck havoc, then run and hide in the sheltered foreign country. Believe it or not, that is how it worked before Sept 11, 2001. 
> > 
> > Imagine that, how silly and stupid that policy was, but the policy was really obeyed-- terrorists were untouchable once they hide inside a foreign country. 
> > 
> > Then came along Sept11, 2001 with the huge terror attack in the USA with the twin towers knocked down with suicide planes. 
> > 
> > Now, fast forward to North Korea. 
> > 
> > Is not the watching and watching and watching missile tests after missile tests after missile tests, the very same thing as "Miss Twinkle Toes Hiding behind a Foreign Country Screen of Do Not Enter" the same picture, the same scene as terrorists protected by "Hiding in a Foreign Country" 
> > 
> > So, we let Bin Laden get away with hiding until he terrorized New York et al in 2001. We watched and watched and let him hide in Afghanistan. 
> > 
> > With North Korea, we watch and watch missile tests, until when? 
> > 
> > Do we watch until he lands a missile in San Francisco, then we say, Foreign Countries are no longer a barrier to going in and stopping missile tests. 
> > 
> > In the day of Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear War, at what point is it absurd that a backward country is testing missiles. At what point is it understood as insane to let this testing continue. 
> > 
> > Do the grown-ups come in and stop it after San Francisco is leveled. Or do the grown-ups wisen up and preempt the Road of Insanity? 
> > 
> > With North Korea, testing missiles for 20 years, we no longer can tell if any given test is a test or is not a test but the actual thing-- missile live to level. 
> > 
> > Is America only moved to action, to senses, after a Pearl Harbor. Or, has America learned from Pearl Harbor. 
> > 
> > You Launch, We Launch 
> > 
> > You Launch, We Launch 
> > 
> > We no longer care if you are testing or not testing 
> > 
> > We want self defence 
> > 
> > You Launch, We Launch 
> > 
> > AP 
> > 
> > Newsgroups: sci.physics 
> > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:27:55 -0700 (PDT) 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea 
> >  missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> > From: Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium....@gmail.com> 
> > Injection-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:27:55 +0000 
> > 
> > 
> > Re: You launch-- then we launch Re: Solution to North Korea missiles-- most logical, most effective 
> > 
> > We have no way of knowing if any NK launch or Iranian launch is "just a test" 
> > 
> > Hence 
> > 
> > You launch We launch destroying the missile and the launch site 
> > 
> > AP
> 
> Sounds like a bluff in the game of poker.Then there is Trump,and he is ace of spades.10s and 8s is the hand both are holding. I hope both will fold. Go figure Trebert

Bad part is like having a mental case with his finger on the H-Bomb.That isknown by every leader in the world. I lived through bad times,but NOW is a time that is both weird and scary.One look at Trump's face tells it all.Trebert

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#639387

<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017> behold:
Bert, you need to be reminded after every post of yours, 
for you to explain why & which one of your 17 theories 
turned you into a Face Shitter & a Criminal Graveyard Vandal.
"Go figure" till you "Get the Picture", Glazier, you Swine.

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