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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2017-04-22 11:37 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-04-24 20:36 +0200 |
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The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-22 11:37 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-23 04:35 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-22 22:05 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-04-23 14:23 +0200
Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 14:17 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:07 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 16:31 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 23:11 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-04-23 10:14 -0600
Re: The Speed of Thought Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 11:43 -0500
Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 20:36 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 19:56 -0500
Re: The Speed of Thought djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-04-23 16:24 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-23 12:35 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-23 13:00 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-23 23:38 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-23 21:15 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-23 22:38 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-24 06:02 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 13:52 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-24 16:55 +1000
Re: The Speed of Thought Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:09 +0200
Re: The Speed of Thought Lintervallen Ruther <rt@lweaevte.ri> - 2017-04-24 19:37 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-24 09:42 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-24 10:22 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-25 12:03 +1000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-25 00:16 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-25 17:42 +1000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:58 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 02:25 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 20:49 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:48 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:37 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:36 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-25 17:18 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-25 21:53 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-25 19:39 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-26 04:36 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 06:07 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 12:33 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-26 18:05 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 15:42 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-26 18:00 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-27 03:13 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 04:32 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-27 14:46 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 11:29 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-27 16:32 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 13:22 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 02:16 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:43 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:50 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-27 17:21 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 23:16 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:59 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:47 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:54 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 02:24 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 23:18 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:45 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:38 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:40 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-29 10:47 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-05-04 23:42 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 11:41 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-04-27 17:20 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-27 23:15 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 12:57 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-04-28 10:41 -0700
Re: The Speed of Thought Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-04-28 23:45 +0000
Re: The Speed of Thought SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2017-04-24 07:48 -0400
Re: The Speed of Thought Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-04-24 20:36 +0200
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-28 10:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <59037E2E.BA9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #631058 |
Ned Latham wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > Ned Latham wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > ----snip---- > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 'persistence of consciouness'... > > > > > > In the sense proposed, correct. > > > > > > > you never heard of, "unconsciouness"??? > > > > > > > > When you sleep, ...you become unconsciouns to the point of no > > > > consciouness...then the brain contiunes to process thought/information. > > > > > > > > No mind or consciouness is necessary. > > > > > > Crap. There are two levels of mind: perception, which involves awareness, > > > and imprint, which does not. They correspond roughly to what the trick > > > cyclists call the "conscious" and "unconscious". What most call "thought" > > > occurs at both levels: at the level of perception it's fantasy; at the > > > level of imprint it's dream. > > > > consciouness is spirtual, thought is physics. > > Don't be ridiculous. > > > don't you people know this stuff?.. > > If course not. One can not know that which is not. There are a lot among us running around knowing that which is not....you're one of them.
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-04-28 23:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnog7kml.ojp.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #631094 |
The Starmaker wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > Ned Latham wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > ----snip---- > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 'persistence of consciouness'... > > > > > > > > In the sense proposed, correct. > > > > > > > > > you never heard of, "unconsciouness"??? > > > > > > > > > > When you sleep, ...you become unconsciouns to the point of > > > > > no consciouness...then the brain contiunes to process > > > > > thought/information. > > > > > > > > > > No mind or consciouness is necessary. > > > > > > > > Crap. There are two levels of mind: perception, which involves > > > > awareness, and imprint, which does not. They correspond roughly > > > > to what the trick cyclists call the "conscious" and "unconscious". > > > > What most call "thought" occurs at both levels: at the level of > > > > perception it's fantasy; at the level of imprint it's dream. > > > > > > consciouness is spirtual, thought is physics. > > > > Don't be ridiculous. > > > > > don't you people know this stuff?.. > > > > If course not. One can not know that which is not. > > There are a lot among us running around knowing that which is > not....you're one of them. Nope. Knowing that something is not is not knowing it.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-29 10:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5904D1A4.F61@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #631175 |
Ned Latham wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > Ned Latham wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Ned Latham wrote: > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----snip---- > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 'persistence of consciouness'... > > > > > > > > > > In the sense proposed, correct. > > > > > > > > > > > you never heard of, "unconsciouness"??? > > > > > > > > > > > > When you sleep, ...you become unconsciouns to the point of > > > > > > no consciouness...then the brain contiunes to process > > > > > > thought/information. > > > > > > > > > > > > No mind or consciouness is necessary. > > > > > > > > > > Crap. There are two levels of mind: perception, which involves > > > > > awareness, and imprint, which does not. They correspond roughly > > > > > to what the trick cyclists call the "conscious" and "unconscious". > > > > > What most call "thought" occurs at both levels: at the level of > > > > > perception it's fantasy; at the level of imprint it's dream. > > > > > > > > consciouness is spirtual, thought is physics. > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. > > > > > > > don't you people know this stuff?.. > > > > > > If course not. One can not know that which is not. > > > > There are a lot among us running around knowing that which is > > not....you're one of them. > > Nope. Knowing that something is not is not knowing it. Has the thought ever came to you? When did the idea came to you?? Do you understand the difference between You and where your Idea comes from? Where was your idea before it came to You??
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-04 23:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <590C1EF0.1504@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #631255 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Jonathan Doolin wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:37:36 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thought travels faster than the speed of light, not it's carrier (neurons) that receives and sends information. You're confusing > > > thought and neurons. They are seperate. > > > > > > > You either have the impression that I have confused thought and neurons, or you are pretending to. > > > > > You take a train, it takes you to the destination at a certain speed. You get off and take a plane...you're moving faster. > > > > > > You're confusing the speed of thought with the speed of a...neuron. > > > > > > > You either have the impression that I have confused the speed of thought > > with the speed of a neuron, or you are pretending to. > > > > > You ideas are confused. > > > > > > > You either have the impression that my ideas are confused, or you are pretending to. > > > > > What is your problem???? > > > > > > > You either have the impression that I have a problem, or you are pretending to. > > > > > Get off the train and take a plane already! > > > > > > Get off the horse and buggy... > > > > If you mean me to take that literally, I would note that I am > > not on a train, a horse, or a buggy. If you mean me to take > > it figuratively, I do not know what literal course of action > > would be analogous to "take a plane already". > > > > Well, Starmaker, I will say, at least your argument > > is consistent with your behavior. I have the impression > > that you really believe that you can look into other > > people's thoughts, and make an assessment of their confusion > > without actually looking at the evidence in their words, > > or trying to understand the meaning. > > > > If that's your worldview, then obviously, my thoughts > > will appear confused, because you have not begun to > > understand them. If you had any understanding of what I > > was actually saying, then you would not think I was confused > > regarding the speed of thought, and the speed of neurons. > > > > You would realize that I was only requesting clarification > > on what you meant, and indeed, I was, and still am confused > > regarding what you are meaning. Instead of giving me any > > clarification, you have attacked strawmen, acknowledged that > > your impression of my argument is confused, and and told me to > > get off train, horse, buggy, and take a plane. > > In order to send an email... > > you have to put your > > thoughts in it, information..otherwise it will Not send....it won't go > no where. > > The Speed of Thought is.. how fast can Thought travel? > > It occured to me...that maybe yous have no idea what "thought" is. > > How can you measure something if you have no idea what it is???? Furthermore.. in order to communicate with aliens from another planet.. you need to use the universe nervous system to channel your thought to them.. and if you don't understand the speed of thought... how can you begin to use the universe nervous system???? an idea just came to me...
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-27 11:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <59023B6B.3DA6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #630636 |
Ned Latham wrote: > > benj wrote: > > ----snip---- > > > You need to think about this a bit more, sylvia. While obviously the > > transmission speed of "thoughts" in organism is slow as determined by > > action potential timing and other factors. But that does not consider > > the OTHER question which would be given an ESP "remote viewing" is the > > speed of transmission of information limited by the speed of light. > > There are a number of indications and reports that might seem to > > indicate it is not, but there are additional problems in that there > > seems to be a certain looseness to time which could mean that > > transmissions are at c but you are sensing the future so there is the > > appearance of FTL transmissions. This is real science thought unlike all > > the religious atheist clowns here who are all convinced that thoughts > > occur ONLY within the brain cells. Feh. > > Rubbish. > > Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can > exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to > accept your postulate. Thought is not a function of the mind...it is a product of the brain. It's information...processed by a brain.
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-04-27 17:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5902608b$0$60257$c3e8da3$66d3cc2f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #630916 |
On 4/27/2017 2:41 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: >> >> benj wrote: >> >> ----snip---- >> >>> You need to think about this a bit more, sylvia. While obviously the >>> transmission speed of "thoughts" in organism is slow as determined by >>> action potential timing and other factors. But that does not consider >>> the OTHER question which would be given an ESP "remote viewing" is the >>> speed of transmission of information limited by the speed of light. >>> There are a number of indications and reports that might seem to >>> indicate it is not, but there are additional problems in that there >>> seems to be a certain looseness to time which could mean that >>> transmissions are at c but you are sensing the future so there is the >>> appearance of FTL transmissions. This is real science thought unlike all >>> the religious atheist clowns here who are all convinced that thoughts >>> occur ONLY within the brain cells. Feh. >> >> Rubbish. >> >> Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can >> exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to >> accept your postulate. > > > Thought is not a function of the mind...it is a product of the brain. > It's information...processed by a brain. > And the way you know that thought is purely biological is? Ah, Superpowers.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-27 23:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5902DE17.75E2@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #630950 |
benj wrote: > > On 4/27/2017 2:41 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Ned Latham wrote: > >> > >> benj wrote: > >> > >> ----snip---- > >> > >>> You need to think about this a bit more, sylvia. While obviously the > >>> transmission speed of "thoughts" in organism is slow as determined by > >>> action potential timing and other factors. But that does not consider > >>> the OTHER question which would be given an ESP "remote viewing" is the > >>> speed of transmission of information limited by the speed of light. > >>> There are a number of indications and reports that might seem to > >>> indicate it is not, but there are additional problems in that there > >>> seems to be a certain looseness to time which could mean that > >>> transmissions are at c but you are sensing the future so there is the > >>> appearance of FTL transmissions. This is real science thought unlike all > >>> the religious atheist clowns here who are all convinced that thoughts > >>> occur ONLY within the brain cells. Feh. > >> > >> Rubbish. > >> > >> Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can > >> exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to > >> accept your postulate. > > > > > > Thought is not a function of the mind...it is a product of the brain. > > It's information...processed by a brain. > > > And the way you know that thought is purely biological is? > > Ah, Superpowers. Thought is physics, not philosophy. You don't put philosophy throught telephone lines..
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-04-28 12:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnog6f1s.6cf.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #631035 |
The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: > > Ned Latham wrote: ----snip---- > > > Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can > > > exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to > > > accept your postulate. > > > > Thought is not a function of the mind Wrong. > > ...it is a product of the brain. Mind is a product of the brain. Thought is a function of mind. > > It's information...processed by a brain. So are mathematics, the heroin rush, Quo Vadis... Try not to be so simplistic. > Thought is physics, not philosophy. > > You don't put philosophy through telephone lines.. Same goes for physics. What you put through telephone lines is information.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-28 10:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <59037EB6.52FC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #631061 |
Ned Latham wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > Ned Latham wrote: > > ----snip---- > > > > > Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can > > > > exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to > > > > accept your postulate. > > > > > > Thought is not a function of the mind > > Wrong. > > > > ...it is a product of the brain. > > Mind is a product of the brain. Thought is a function of mind. you british have thing thing all backwards... put some ice in your water.
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-04-28 23:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnog7kvt.ojp.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #631096 |
The Starmaker wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Ned Latham wrote: > > > > ----snip---- > > > > > > > Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can > > > > > exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to > > > > > accept your postulate. > > > > > > > > Thought is not a function of the mind > > > > Wrong. > > > > > > ...it is a product of the brain. > > > > Mind is a product of the brain. Thought is a function of mind. > > you british have thing thing all backwards... I'm not British. > put some ice in your water. Have to melt some ice first.
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| From | SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 07:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <haprfcllsstivpcm6f12g9gao7d11vkclm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #630111 |
OK, so for galaxy sized brains ( God's ? ), thinking must be extremely slow, since it takes hundreds of thousands of years for just one trip from one side of the brain to the other !
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-04-24 20:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2215670.GVCavpnEZW@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #630391 |
SteveGG amok-crossposted across 4 newsgroups without Followup-To: > OK, so for galaxy sized brains ( God's ? ), thinking must be extremely > slow, since it takes hundreds of thousands of years for just one trip > from one side of the brain to the other ! This is strong indication that there no such _gods_ :) F'up2 rec.arts.sf.written -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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