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| Started by | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-02-23 17:27 -0600 |
| Last post | 2017-02-28 12:04 -0800 |
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Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 17:27 -0600
secnds are not dimensional per se noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 17:53 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-23 21:35 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-24 06:20 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 06:22 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 06:20 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 09:46 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 22:06 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics sErgio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-02-25 10:16 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 01:28 -0800
(-. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 12:17 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 20:09 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 12:51 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 18:32 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 13:35 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 18:49 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:45 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-23 22:25 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-02-24 05:28 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 02:50 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 06:06 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 08:07 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 09:02 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 12:54 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 13:14 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 17:01 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 17:51 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 02:42 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Serg Io <invliad@invalid.com> - 2017-02-24 19:37 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 18:14 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 02:32 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 16:53 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:40 -0500
Columbus did not sleep in this item (circa '492 .-) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 11:07 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-24 20:00 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 12:18 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 13:32 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 13:51 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:15 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-25 11:22 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-25 11:16 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:42 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 05:48 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:51 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 05:21 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 06:26 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 11:43 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-28 19:43 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-27 06:21 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:23 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-27 17:23 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 17:22 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "Buck Futter" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 18:07 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 05:49 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Ser Gio <invlid@invalid.com> - 2017-02-28 09:56 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 11:57 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-28 12:14 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 13:20 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-28 17:21 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 08:12 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 07:08 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 19:32 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 09:49 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 16:13 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 14:03 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:52 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 19:16 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 22:55 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-01 23:28 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 09:05 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 09:38 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 09:59 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 03:28 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 04:42 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 07:28 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 07:12 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 11:22 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 22:11 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-03 22:16 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 09:33 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:48 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 13:15 -0800
mathematica is at least four subjecta noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 15:36 -0800
Re: mathematica is at least four subjecta poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 22:41 -0800
Re: mathematica is at least four subjecta Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 05:00 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-05 17:00 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Edison Biermann <um@mesidse.cs> - 2017-03-06 02:19 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 22:41 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 01:08 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 04:01 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 05:36 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-06 18:28 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 16:40 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-06 20:21 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-05 22:36 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "Efftard K. Donglemeier" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 07:05 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 07:14 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "Efftard K. Donglemeier" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 07:19 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-03 09:22 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 10:24 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-03-03 22:08 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-03-03 22:12 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 13:56 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 14:28 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 18:14 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 13:45 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 15:07 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 17:01 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 17:56 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:42 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-01 19:11 -0500
Re: Why should I learn four subjects that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 17:44 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 20:11 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-01 09:29 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-01 09:38 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-03-01 18:05 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 18:43 -0800
Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:02 -0500
Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:08 -0800
Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:39 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:19 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 01:42 -0800
r = pi noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 04:37 -0800
PI = 1/pi = 0.32 (at least in base_4) noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:40 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-25 17:48 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Bret Noss <osotr@rwtropsws.org> - 2017-02-25 18:41 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-25 19:07 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Bret Noss <osotr@rwtropsws.org> - 2017-02-25 19:35 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:37 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:00 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 13:34 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-25 17:01 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-25 22:21 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-25 17:56 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 15:18 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-26 01:22 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-25 21:18 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-02-26 02:58 +0000
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 15:44 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 22:45 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 07:22 -0600
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-02-27 16:53 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 12:06 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-02-24 12:40 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 03:22 -0500
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-02-24 13:19 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-02-24 10:11 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 12:04 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 23:02 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-27 05:02 -0800
Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-02-27 05:09 -0800
mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numberthoery -- used to be arithmetic; noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 11:07 -0800
mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numberthoery b) music noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 23:03 -0800
mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numbertheory b) music c) astronomy noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:49 -0800
mathematica is minimally four subjecta: a) numbertheory b) music c) astronomy d) geometry noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 12:04 -0800
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| From | poraty350@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 22:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9185966f-74b2-4c99-9028-82fb9c603b88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621327 |
On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 8:24:13 PM UTC+2, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 6:29:00 AM UTC-5, > > On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 5:05:27 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > On 3/2/2017 12:55 AM, poraty350@gmail.com wrote: > [] > > > > how about that you > > > > will define it mathematically ?? > > > > > > Me? Why would anybody do your work for you? > > > I have no interest in your model, so I have no motivation to try to > > > build mathematics around it. Since it's your model, you have that > > > motivation. Presumably you have ENOUGH motivation to learn any > > > mathematics needed to do that. > > ===================== > > you speak promptly about mathematics in physics !!.. > > AS IF YOU CANT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT MATHEMATICS > > and it seems that I gave you a real exampole > > of which your f en mathematics > > DOES NOT KNOW > > EVEN HOW ABOUT ***STARTING** HANDLING SUCH A CASE > > I've looked at your model and it is nonsense. > I could write the math for it but I have real work > to do. >================================== ============================================= (:-)!!!!!! did you see my Y Circlon mechanism ?? it is not just one curved line it is a very great number of curved lines WITH DIFFERENT SUCESIVE TADI MOVING BACK AND FORTH FROM ALL 360 DEG ANGLES !! and you call it simple to describe /feline it ???!!!!mathematically?? it seems to me that only a computer program could handle that!! and you are just chess drumming mumbling irresponsible !! without any cover to you lofty words ! ----- if I am wrong about the technical ability just show you do it !! AND YOU WILL BE REEDED BY HISTORY OF SCIENCE /.MATHEMATICS (AND MAY BE FOR OTHER GOALS/USES AS WELL !!! 2 MAY BE IT IS A CHALENG FOR SOME ONE ELSE THAT REALLY MASYTERS COMUTER PROGRAM HANDLING ??!! ================================================= > > > ie > > you get a completed black out > > about hoe even to start with it > > while > > I could express a new physics mechanism > > that could work !! > > without a tiny bit of > > mathematics > > No, you model doesn't work. ========= (:-) SAIED WHO ???!!! > > > iow > > there are other tools to express > > physics innovations /suggestions other than f n > > crippled mathematics !!!! > > When you find one let us know. > the spinning things you and John like so much > are more art than science. ======= IT IS NOT SPINNING IT IS ORBITING N DIFFERENT MANY ORBITS REALY NOT SIMPLE !!! ============================= TIA Eng Y.Porat ==========================================
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 22:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o9dlv5$kl7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #621431 |
So, Porat, why are you still protecting the Jewish <http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017>, Face-Shitter (1) & criminal Graveyard Vandal (2) Glazier, instead of asking him, which one of his 17 theories forced Glazier to be (1) and (2)?
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 13:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9b6c32e3-831b-41a7-8878-695e755ea934@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621013 |
On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > [] > > > > > > I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, > > > how we arrived at where we are in science. > > > > I prefer the ScienceOfHistory, this is a physics NG afterall. > > I didn't say we need to discuss it here. > And the Science of History is not physics either. Sure SOH is physics. The trajectory of cannon balls, electrons, waves, ... The Moon, Earth, Sun, Stars... the whole MESS. SpaceTime, the whole past. > [] > > > > Actually, when posting that, I thought of writing: > > > > The Art of The Condescension. > > > > Again, I forgot nothing. Cute as your line is, Ed. I merely outgrew emoticons. > > > > > > Too bad. > > > > Actually it's very liberating. Have you ever heard of Grasshopper, the > > genius Kung Fu Shaolin Master Kwai Chang Caine? His teacher was blind. > > Emoticons are a crutch, not a shorthand, for those who can't think/write. > > They are just FUN :) ;) :> I was merely making a point, knock yourself out with emoticons. > > A long Long LONG time ago... (American Pie, Don McLean), > > Our tases in music run close. Not sure I can still do it, > but I used to know all the lyrics to the full version. Cool! Just a great song! Bye bye Miss American π==Pi==Pie... drove my... Also, I did post, in this thread, a link with lyrics to Don Mclean's song. Ask anyone, I'm only here for the music... can rock 'n roll save your moral soul... > [] > > > > Sharks here do not give a damn what you or I are doing. You post, you're food. > > > > > > As we all are. > > > > See, we have something in common. > > > > > [] > > > > This NG is unmoderated, an open for discussion setting. That's not changing > > > > anytime soon, unless those the(y)TheThem succeed in shutting Usenet down. > > > > > > You really think I don't know that? I have posted to various usenet > > > newsgroups at least back to the late 80's. You have much to learn. > > > > I never said I knew what you think regards that specifically. > > Aw, I thought we were having a heart to theart conversation. ;) You're going to continue torture me with them emoticons. O(y)e... Speaking of the 1980's, which UserIDs, have you posted under in this NG? > > For good > > reasons, I simply stopped interacting on multiple NGs. Just conversation. > > I might read your history of posts, you Ed have a certain conviction, > > however wrong it actually is. He he... > > I can be a contrarian like you when the need arises. But here > too many spout pseudo-science. I try to point out the mistakes > for two reasons: > 1. to help that person learn, if possible. > 2. to help newbies or other lurkers see the errors Commendable and good luck. But do respect your seniors, Ed. For this NG... Here's your history: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Mqb4NNxZDAAJ IME, there's pseudo-science everywhere. Basically, it's pseudoHype by default. > Seems sci.physics attracts a strong breed of kook. > But that's okay. I've seen worse. Well, this is the only NG in town, the common watering hole. Not many post science here, just their unsupportable hopes and dreams. The few who claim to be real-scientists, merely respond condescendingly. > [] > > > > Again, Odd has offered zero substantive input since he initiated this thread. > > > > > > But he did initiate this thread with interesting and informative material. > > > > I already credited Odd for initiating this thread, in this thread alone. > > Do you Ed read much or well? Odd rarely initiates any thread. Buy The Book(s)! > > Oh, so the "zero substantive input since he initiated this thread" > wasn't meant to be insulting? or else you comment has little content. > Well, 'nuf said on that. First and foremost, that statement of mine was/is observationally factual. Well also, per history, Odd and I share this open mutual hatred of eachother. Odd's desperate need to defend being anonymous, I find despicable. Again, FACT. He makes toys? He's got no website for his work. There's no physical business address. O that's right, Odd doesn't need any new customers. Ftr, there's nothing new or original on this Math2Physics topic. People here routinely discuss this falsehood that PhysicsIsMath all the time. The holy grail of math is blocked by there being no closed form solution to the three body problem or to the Navier-Stokes set of equations. The materials stress-strain tensor equations being projected onto GR. The quest, the search, for an equation about an inch long to explain the Physics Of Everything Theory (POET). He he... never gonna happen. Trust me, I'm not holding me m(y) breath. Yes, sure I took a graduate course called Mathematical Physics. I was like one of five students. Having perfect attendance, I angered the professor to no end. I could feel him thinking: Damn, Mahipal alone showed up again for the regularly scheduled lecture. Damn damn DAMN! I think I got a B+ in that very math intensive physics course. The most memorable moment for me regards this class? On the last lecture day... this beautiful girl, tall, long curly hair, a PhD math major, shows up, sits next to me, and asks if she can borrow to copy my notebook of the complete semester's handwritten notes. She took it. Made a Xerox copy of it. Returned my book. She said thank you. Politely. Smiled. Turned around, walked out of my life. Never saw her again. She's likely a professor somewhere. Probably lecturing from me m(y) notebook. > > > > Note Odd's title/confession: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics > > > > > > > > Conclusion? It's obvious Odd understands neither mathematics nor physics. > > > > > > Bzxzt wrong. He was just being polite and not calling out > > > anyone specifically. It's a trait this group could use more of. > > > > It's a discussion NG, not a shoutAndPostAndRunAway NG. > > Where's Odd's discussion? > > I think he's busy in some other threads. Odd thinks mocking creative free-thinking JohnJi, makes Odd important. Pretty much, mostly Odd, that's all he does. I, IMHO, suspect this has something to do with us humans, in general, being creatures of habit. On the weird side, JohnJi likes the Odd attention, I suppose. I was watching TrumpET's SOTU speech, it seems to me politicians are also creatures of habit: They must be able to clap and stand, playing and fighting with gravity, every minute or so. Clap clap CLAP... Imagine all the body language analysis taking place in slow-motion replay. > [] > > > > IMO, BenjJi is often being sarcastic and is mocking his stalkers. > > > > > > true. But if he has "skills", he should contribute something useful. > > > > Sir BenjJi has, it's called history. Click this link here, read away. > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Ph228eHECwAJ > > I looked at his ten most recent posts. Only one was remotely related > to physics. The other nine were all zero substantive input" (to use > your rating scale). Well, you must go back further in time. New physics content never happens daily. Physics ideas, laws, and principles do not turn quickly on a dime. Pay sucks too. > > > > This here is a discussion NG about physics, else go study at HVAC's college. > > > > > > And the topic at hand is Mathematics in Physics. > > > > So you Ed agree, Mathematics is not Physics. Thanks for clearing that up. > > I never said they were the same. > (Now here is where I am supposed to > question your reading ability. 8^) Question my English reading every nanosecond of every day. English is like a third language to me. Also, being good at the English language does not one a Physicist make. I learned that the hard way. > [] > > > > > > > > I am an ABD PhD in Mechanical Engineering, with a Physics minor. > > > > My math and physics knowledge has been well demonstrated, even graded. > > > > Last time I tried and failed, I just can't change my past experiences. > > > > > > I've come across a few PHD's that are like that, cannot produce > > > a useful result. > > > > Ed, you'd be fun to have drinks with! Cute faceSlap that. > > I'll wipe me m(y) blood off. > > > > Yes, most PhD's are useless, that's why they suffer in the corporate world. > > I know many PhD's who hide that specific detail on their resumes when > > job hunting. > > Old Get S.M.A.R.T S(y)ndrome... never hire people smarter than you==BossJi. > > There's a simple rule to counteract that: > Do your best to make you boss look good > and it helps if he knows what you did. Good advice, but here's how this plays out in the real corporate world. I had this boss once. In a virtual phone meeting with a dozen++ people, including the clients, this boss accused me of breaking some SW code that had existed for decades. He's like: Mahipal must've fucked it up! While 10+ years at the company, I was on this project for only six months. I had made no SW code changes to that part of the pre-existing algorithm. So, I simply denied making any fucked-up SW code changes. Hell, nobody on the project team even mentioned this highly sensitive problem existed. The client wanted to know why this erroneous HW+SW behaviour existed for the past two decades. The bug generated false/fake transactions for which the client was not collecting any real revenue==money. Where's the money?! They really wanted that extra non-existent cash. Needless to say, a couple of months later, I was on the street job hunting. At least this bossDude was happy to use me as a pawn to kick to the curb?! > > > > What did you study, to what level, Ed? Why do I ask? Easy, I already > > > > know of BenjJi's teachers. Wouldn't it be nice/helpful if all interactors > > > > revealed their educational accomplishments? Yes, yes it would. Physics > > > > isn't like business successes. In Physics one needs an education, with > > > > its entrapments of history and all. Disagree with me all you Ed want. > > > > On a scale of 0 to 10... and all that. Their writings reveal much. Shhh... > > > > > > BS Physics , math and Secondary Education minors > > > MS Electrical Engineering > > > > Nice! In retrospect, I wish I'd chosen EE, rather than ME. Too late, now. > > > > > I thought about doing a PHD, but decided to follow a useful > > > Engineering career instead. > > > > Are you ED claiming that there are no PhD degrees in any Engineering? > > No. It was at that time that most PHDs I had dealt with could not > produce results in the lab. I was on a research project on Fuel Cells. > A good chunk of the research money was sucked up by the PHDs in the > corpporate R&D lab. They managed to build a fully automated test fixture, > but could not get a since fuel cell working. In our lab, we made do > with manual controls, and recording the data by hand. At one point > we had all twelve test rigs with operating cells. > > Since then I have managed to meet several excellent PHDs who are very > productive. So my opinion has moderated. But I still prefer working > with someone that can complete the work, even sans degree. I too well understand the pitfalls of being over qualified. And old. NPR website advised older people to not include work experiences beyond the past seven years on their resumes. I'm thinking, like why? When I show up for the face-to-face job interview, I'm going to look like a twenty something?! The justification cited was that a resume with a less than seven years history was less likely to be rejected by the SW algorithms. They advised, sure list your degrees and colleges, just don't write the years you received them, At least you'd get past the first hurdle by this digital-paper-lying ways of resumes. O(y)e... I stopped reading NPR articles almost immediately after that. I just did. Go STEM education go! Sign your kids, especially if Black and Female, up ASAP! > [] > > > Respectfully, I'll just keep on smiling > > > 8^) > > > > Good to meet you too, Ed. Now get your hero Odd to discuss his sHit. > > Why? Is there a rule on usenet that I missed that says > You must followup? Because. And yes, there's a rule. Unless you died or are banging Brigitte Bardot. > But Hey, Odd, stop in on this thread. let John spin alone for a while. > (Lets see) > > ed I gather you've read Odd's response to your request, Ed. Odd can't be bothered to read his own rare one thread, and you need surmise it for him?! What emoticon would you Ed recommend for me m(y) sentiment? He he... -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 14:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <fc9f972b-a57d-4145-a741-7c3bf1f2a0c1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621105 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > [] > > > > > > > > I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, > > > > how we arrived at where we are in science. > > > > > > I prefer the ScienceOfHistory, this is a physics NG afterall. > > > > I didn't say we need to discuss it here. > > And the Science of History is not physics either. > > Sure SOH is physics. The trajectory of cannon balls, electrons, waves, ... > The Moon, Earth, Sun, Stars... the whole MESS. SpaceTime, the whole past. > You have a weird definition of Science of History. I was thinking SoH included things like Forensic sciences that identify lifestyles of past cultures based on wear on teeth, or the source of something based upon pollen in fabrics, or explaining collapse of ancient societies based on weather data. Space-time, for example the history of the universe, is just Physics, and not really generally what folks think about when you say history. ed
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 18:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58b755c9$0$41956$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #621109 |
On 3/1/2017 5:28 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >>> [] >>>>> >>>>> I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, >>>>> how we arrived at where we are in science. >>>> >>>> I prefer the ScienceOfHistory, this is a physics NG afterall. >>> >>> I didn't say we need to discuss it here. >>> And the Science of History is not physics either. >> >> Sure SOH is physics. The trajectory of cannon balls, electrons, waves, ... >> The Moon, Earth, Sun, Stars... the whole MESS. SpaceTime, the whole past. >> > > You have a weird definition of Science of History. > I was thinking SoH included things like Forensic sciences > that identify lifestyles of past cultures based on > wear on teeth, or the source of something based upon > pollen in fabrics, or explaining collapse of ancient > societies based on weather data. Forensics, yes. Teeth wear physics? Um, rather a stretch. pollen, we would say is biology not physic but maybe science (if one accepts that biology is actually a science).Weather would be physics but probably best would be something like carbon 14 dating. > Space-time, for example the history of the universe, is > just Physics, and not really generally what folks think > about when you say history. Space-time is fantasy not science or physics. And has little to do with any credible history. Like 99% of all cosmology is pure fantasy extrapolating questionable ideas far beyond any place where one can justify them. > ed >
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 13:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <038022ce-b25c-4d23-9eae-96e58662a825@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621109 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 5:28:26 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > > [] > > > > > > > > > > I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, > > > > > how we arrived at where we are in science. > > > > > > > > I prefer the ScienceOfHistory, this is a physics NG afterall. > > > > > > I didn't say we need to discuss it here. > > > And the Science of History is not physics either. > > > > Sure SOH is physics. The trajectory of cannon balls, electrons, waves, ... > > The Moon, Earth, Sun, Stars... the whole MESS. SpaceTime, the whole past. > > You have a weird definition of Science of History. My full name is Mahipal Virdy, my last name pronounces well as Weird(y). > I was thinking SoH included things like Forensic sciences > that identify lifestyles of past cultures based on > wear on teeth, or the source of something based upon > pollen in fabrics, or explaining collapse of ancient > societies based on weather data. You Ed and I are saying the same thing, I can't use all the words listed in the dictionaries. I have to try make a point, if I have one. Having to need even one point, well that's a trap I can't escape from. So a soldier, with worn teeth, gets hit in his face with a cannon ball... > Space-time, for example the history of the universe, is > just Physics, and not really generally what folks think > about when you say history. > > ed I see History as a story greater than that of mere humans physical past. Human history? It gets written. It gets revisied. It gets corrected. HoS, History of Science, gets revised. Annually, Monthly, Daily. It gets plagairized. Rinse, lather, repeat. Neverending cycle. I fight Authority, Authority always wins... sing it. John Mellencamp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsEwK69LXjQ I fight Revisionism... ScienceOfHistory (SoH), the physical spacetime trajectory, is unchangeable. My DadJi is one fantastic know-it-all of (humans) history. HoS changes. -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
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| From | edprochak@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 15:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <72eaffb1-c921-42fd-9273-062b5229ce9c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621105 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: [] > > > > Aw, I thought we were having a heart to theart conversation. ;) > > You're going to continue torture me with them emoticons. O(y)e... Okay, I'll back off a little. > > Speaking of the 1980's, which UserIDs, have you posted under in this NG? probably not much in sci.physics back then. My focus then was software engineering. If you search for edprochak you should find my posts from accounts at AOL, Netscape, magicinterface.com, and I think allenbradley (ab.com? It's been a long time). I posted in many groups. I did a lot of posts in rec.running in the 90's where there were some interesting trolls, much more interesting than most of the ones here. [] > Commendable and good luck. But do respect your seniors, Ed. For this NG... > Here's your history: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Mqb4NNxZDAAJ If you mean seniors by age, I do not have too many even in this group! > > IME, there's pseudo-science everywhere. Basically, it's pseudoHype by default. > > > Seems sci.physics attracts a strong breed of kook. > > But that's okay. I've seen worse. > > Well, this is the only NG in town, the common watering hole. > Not many post science here, just their unsupportable hopes and dreams. > The few who claim to be real-scientists, merely respond condescendingly. > [] > > Oh, so the "zero substantive input since he initiated this thread" > > wasn't meant to be insulting? or else you comment has little content. > > Well, 'nuf said on that. > > First and foremost, that statement of mine was/is observationally factual. > Well also, per history, Odd and I share this open mutual hatred of eachother. > Odd's desperate need to defend being anonymous, I find despicable. Again, FACT. > He makes toys? He's got no website for his work. There's no physical > business address. O that's right, Odd doesn't need any new customers. There are times being anonymous serves a purpose (good and bad). Yet I never found the need to hide my identity on usenet. > > Ftr, there's nothing new or original on this Math2Physics topic. People here > routinely discuss this falsehood that PhysicsIsMath all the time. The > holy grail of math is blocked by there being no closed form solution > to the three body problem or to the Navier-Stokes set of equations. No classical methods to square the circle either. But Mathematics developed other methods to solve that problem. Mathematics has not stopped learning any more than Physics. > The materials stress-strain tensor equations being projected onto GR. > The quest, the search, for an equation about an inch long to explain > the Physics Of Everything Theory (POET). He he... never gonna happen. > > Trust me, I'm not holding me m(y) breath. I don't expect the next Einstein level advance for another hundred years. > > Yes, sure I took a graduate course called Mathematical Physics. I was > like one of five students. Having perfect attendance, I angered the > professor to no end. I could feel him thinking: Damn, Mahipal alone > showed up again for the regularly scheduled lecture. Damn damn DAMN! > > I think I got a B+ in that very math intensive physics course. Cool. > > The most memorable moment for me regards this class? On the last > lecture day... this beautiful girl, tall, long curly hair, a PhD math > major, shows up, sits next to me, and asks if she can borrow to copy > my notebook of the complete semester's handwritten notes. She took it. > Made a Xerox copy of it. Returned my book. She said thank you. Politely. > Smiled. Turned around, walked out of my life. Never saw her again. As an undergrad, I studied with this one girl. She would ask all kinds of questions about the materials from the previous physics class. I'd answer. Then she would score higher on the tests. She eventually found someone smarter than me. Oh well. > > She's likely a professor somewhere. Probably lecturing from me m(y) notebook. > [] > > I think he's busy in some other threads. > > Odd thinks mocking creative free-thinking JohnJi, makes Odd important. JS is the mocking one. > > Pretty much, mostly Odd, that's all he does. I, IMHO, suspect this has > something to do with us humans, in general, being creatures of habit. > On the weird side, JohnJi likes the Odd attention, I suppose. I suspect you are right. [off topic politics snipped] > > I looked at his ten most recent posts. Only one was remotely related > > to physics. The other nine were all zero substantive input" (to use > > your rating scale). > > Well, you must go back further in time. New physics content never happens daily. > Physics ideas, laws, and principles do not turn quickly on a dime. Pay sucks too. One of the reasons I moved to Engineering. [] > > I never said they were the same. > > (Now here is where I am supposed to > > question your reading ability. 8^) > > Question my English reading every nanosecond of every day. English is > like a third language to me. Also, being good at the English language > does not one a Physicist make. I learned that the hard way. [] > > > I know many PhD's who hide that specific detail on their resumes when > > > job hunting. > > > Old Get S.M.A.R.T S(y)ndrome... never hire people smarter than you==BossJi. > > > > There's a simple rule to counteract that: > > Do your best to make you boss look good > > and it helps if he knows what you did. > > Good advice, but here's how this plays out in the real corporate world. > > I had this boss once. In a virtual phone meeting with a dozen++ people, > including the clients, this boss accused me of breaking some SW code > that had existed for decades. He's like: Mahipal must've fucked it up! > > While 10+ years at the company, I was on this project for only six months. > > I had made no SW code changes to that part of the pre-existing algorithm. > > So, I simply denied making any fucked-up SW code changes. Hell, nobody > on the project team even mentioned this highly sensitive problem existed. > > The client wanted to know why this erroneous HW+SW behaviour existed > for the past two decades. The bug generated false/fake transactions > for which the client was not collecting any real revenue==money. > Where's the money?! They really wanted that extra non-existent cash. > > Needless to say, a couple of months later, I was on the street job hunting. > At least this bossDude was happy to use me as a pawn to kick to the curb?! I had one experience that was more direct. On a contract assignment I was talking the the manager that I reported to. I ranted for a time how the software architecture was lousy. The design required that when the serial line connection was lost, ALL the higher level applications needed to disconnect their inter process communication link. This caused the IPC links to bounce several times before things settled out. the manager made no comments. later One of the other engineers mentioned that my manager was the designer of that software architecture. I think my contract ended the following week. [] > > I too well understand the pitfalls of being over qualified. And old. > NPR website advised older people to not include work experiences > beyond the past seven years on their resumes. I'm thinking, like why? > When I show up for the face-to-face job interview, I'm going to look > like a twenty something?! The justification cited was that a resume > with a less than seven years history was less likely to be rejected by > the SW algorithms. They advised, sure list your degrees and colleges, > just don't write the years you received them, At least you'd get past > the first hurdle by this digital-paper-lying ways of resumes. O(y)e... Yes Oy! > > I stopped reading NPR articles almost immediately after that. I just did. > > Go STEM education go! Sign your kids, especially if Black and Female, up ASAP! Not my kids, my grandkids! [] > What emoticon would you Ed recommend for me m(y) sentiment? He he... maybe :-P
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 17:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dd602841-8006-4ec7-a0a4-9eb67c4fb57b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621110 |
On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:07:49 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > [] > > > > > > Aw, I thought we were having a heart to theart conversation. ;) > > > > You're going to continue torture me with them emoticons. O(y)e... > > Okay, I'll back off a little. He he... please... write as and what you feel, Sir EdJi. Nice of you to offer. > > Speaking of the 1980's, which UserIDs, have you posted under in this NG? > > probably not much in sci.physics back then. > My focus then was software engineering. If you search for > edprochak you should find my posts from accounts at AOL, Netscape, > magicinterface.com, and I think allenbradley (ab.com? It's been > a long time). I posted in many groups. I did a lot of posts > in rec.running in the 90's where there were some interesting trolls, > much more interesting than most of the ones here. That's seriously funny. A rec.running group attracts trolls too? Never in a million years would I've expected or thunk that. Never. Troll Mindset: Good Morning Usenet! How am I going to troll you today? While there are trolls here in this NG, the worst of 'em are stalkers. For example, Stalker HVAC dreams of his perfect Universe where all are gay. > [] > > Commendable and good luck. But do respect your seniors, Ed. For this NG... > > Here's your history: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Mqb4NNxZDAAJ > > If you mean seniors by age, I do not have too many even in this group! That's a very smart, polite, and kind way of dealing with age. I'm jealous! I'm gonna have to use that line one day. I might mention you Ed... maybe. A little, in my little town story. After a long time, I went back to my village. Lots of changes, most all the grandparents had passed. Save one. I went to her house. Her new daughter-in-law and family said she's too tired/weak and sleeping and that I wouldn't/shouldn't meet her. She slept alone in a dark room. I insisted to see her. They followed me into her room. I knew the house well, I played there since I was like three years old. That I remember. I see her lying there. I call out her relationship name BoBoJi. She instantly jumped up and said: Mahipal?! Gave me a never-ending hug. She was like a 103+ years old. When I got the jumping hug from BoBoJi, the new family gasped... WTF?! No, not in English actually. In Punjabi! Did you see that... Punjabi WTF?! In my little town, I grew up believing, God keeps his eye on us all... BoBoJi has passed away recently. No, I doubt she heard any English song. > > IME, there's pseudo-science everywhere. Basically, it's pseudoHype by default. > > > > > Seems sci.physics attracts a strong breed of kook. > > > But that's okay. I've seen worse. > > > > Well, this is the only NG in town, the common watering hole. > > Not many post science here, just their unsupportable hopes and dreams. > > The few who claim to be real-scientists, merely respond condescendingly. > > > [] > > > Oh, so the "zero substantive input since he initiated this thread" > > > wasn't meant to be insulting? or else you comment has little content. > > > Well, 'nuf said on that. > > > > First and foremost, that statement of mine was/is observationally factual. > > Well also, per history, Odd and I share this open mutual hatred of eachother. > > Odd's desperate need to defend being anonymous, I find despicable. Again, FACT. > > He makes toys? He's got no website for his work. There's no physical > > business address. O that's right, Odd doesn't need any new customers. > > There are times being anonymous serves a purpose (good and bad). > Yet I never found the need to hide my identity on usenet. I've treated Usenet as if it's a bar. Cheers, Norm! In sum: If you're not you, then who the fuck are you S(y)ndrome?! Be yourself or don't be here. Period. I also doubt there exist a lot of physicists/mathematicians, who are in the witness protection program, and need hide their true identity. > > Ftr, there's nothing new or original on this Math2Physics topic. People here > > routinely discuss this falsehood that PhysicsIsMath all the time. The > > holy grail of math is blocked by there being no closed form solution > > to the three body problem or to the Navier-Stokes set of equations. > > No classical methods to square the circle either. But Mathematics > developed other methods to solve that problem. Mathematics has not > stopped learning any more than Physics. I share that sentiment, there's no full stop to either Math or Physics. The nuance that I point out, is the same simple obviousism to and that BenjJi highlights, is not to conclude that you're a physicist because you've done some differential calculus. BenjJi knows Math! While HVAC and Odd both, can only spell Math math MATH. That's after spellchecking. > > The materials stress-strain tensor equations being projected onto GR. > > The quest, the search, for an equation about an inch long to explain > > the Physics Of Everything Theory (POET). He he... never gonna happen. > > > > Trust me, I'm not holding me m(y) breath. > > I don't expect the next Einstein level advance for another hundred years. The Einstein who ever spoke any word which could be carved in OneStone? That Einstein? > > Yes, sure I took a graduate course called Mathematical Physics. I was > > like one of five students. Having perfect attendance, I angered the > > professor to no end. I could feel him thinking: Damn, Mahipal alone > > showed up again for the regularly scheduled lecture. Damn damn DAMN! > > > > I think I got a B+ in that very math intensive physics course. > > Cool. > > > > The most memorable moment for me regards this class? On the last > > lecture day... this beautiful girl, tall, long curly hair, a PhD math > > major, shows up, sits next to me, and asks if she can borrow to copy > > my notebook of the complete semester's handwritten notes. She took it. > > Made a Xerox copy of it. Returned my book. She said thank you. Politely. > > Smiled. Turned around, walked out of my life. Never saw her again. > > As an undergrad, I studied with this one girl. She would ask all > kinds of questions about the materials from the previous physics > class. I'd answer. Then she would score higher on the tests. > She eventually found someone smarter than me. Oh well. Isn't it always that way, there's always a better pair of shoes girls want? I just want to know, who makes all those shoes? Why are others always better? > > She's likely a professor somewhere. Probably lecturing from me m(y) notebook. > > > [] > > > I think he's busy in some other threads. > > > > Odd thinks mocking creative free-thinking JohnJi, makes Odd important. > > JS is the mocking one. I learned some time back, that Physics can be, is, a Liberal Arts Discipline. > > Pretty much, mostly Odd, that's all he does. I, IMHO, suspect this has > > something to do with us humans, in general, being creatures of habit. > > On the weird side, JohnJi likes the Odd attention, I suppose. > > I suspect you are right. > > [off topic politics snipped] Hey! Not off topic, I threw gravity of standing/sitting until nauseating in there. > > > I looked at his ten most recent posts. Only one was remotely related > > > to physics. The other nine were all zero substantive input" (to use > > > your rating scale). > > > > Well, you must go back further in time. New physics content never happens daily. > > Physics ideas, laws, and principles do not turn quickly on a dime. Pay sucks too. > > One of the reasons I moved to Engineering. I, from the beginning, opted to be an engineer. I wanted to learn how TVs worked. My first mistake? I opted for the ME department, over EE. All I had to do was check the EE box on the application. But no...ooo! > [] > > > I never said they were the same. > > > (Now here is where I am supposed to > > > question your reading ability. 8^) > > > > Question my English reading every nanosecond of every day. English is > > like a third language to me. Also, being good at the English language > > does not one a Physicist make. I learned that the hard way. > [] > > > > I know many PhD's who hide that specific detail on their resumes when > > > > job hunting. > > > > Old Get S.M.A.R.T S(y)ndrome... never hire people smarter than you==BossJi. > > > > > > There's a simple rule to counteract that: > > > Do your best to make you boss look good > > > and it helps if he knows what you did. > > > > Good advice, but here's how this plays out in the real corporate world. > > > > I had this boss once. In a virtual phone meeting with a dozen++ people, > > including the clients, this boss accused me of breaking some SW code > > that had existed for decades. He's like: Mahipal must've fucked it up! > > > > While 10+ years at the company, I was on this project for only six months. > > > > I had made no SW code changes to that part of the pre-existing algorithm. > > > > So, I simply denied making any fucked-up SW code changes. Hell, nobody > > on the project team even mentioned this highly sensitive problem existed. > > > > The client wanted to know why this erroneous HW+SW behaviour existed > > for the past two decades. The bug generated false/fake transactions > > for which the client was not collecting any real revenue==money. > > Where's the money?! They really wanted that extra non-existent cash. > > > > Needless to say, a couple of months later, I was on the street job hunting. > > At least this bossDude was happy to use me as a pawn to kick to the curb?! > > I had one experience that was more direct. > On a contract assignment I was talking the the manager that > I reported to. I ranted for a time how the software architecture > was lousy. The design required that when the serial line connection > was lost, ALL the higher level applications needed to disconnect > their inter process communication link. This caused the IPC links > to bounce several times before things settled out. the manager > made no comments. > > later One of the other engineers mentioned that my manager was > the designer of that software architecture. I think my contract > ended the following week. Happens to a lot of us, I conclude. Now, I may have to go insincerely look for a job. At least I'll go expecting just another insincere boss. One thing I do remember vividly was managers daily reminding everyone to fill out there timesheets. Sign and deliver them on-time. Managers insisting that we report all the overtime hours we worked. Then I said to myself, I only get paid for forty hours, I'm only going to sign for fourty hours, No matter that I worked 24/7. Which the managers damn well knew. They confronted me and said I need record time actually worked and then sign. Why? Turns out, while they paid me for the 40 hours per week, they charged the clients for all the overtime on my/our timesheets. Greed is King! Corporate Greed, doubly so. Government Industrial Complex is two blocks east, four north, and three west. A quick U-turn. Beware the dogs. Them police with guns? They're there for your safety. Or just mine. I forget. De nada. Tell 'em Bill sent you. Have a nice day behind the keyboard remaining silent in your cubicle. If you take/need too many bathroom breaks, well we've installed digital cardkeys to let you into the stalls. Not that we're stalking or surveilling your shit. We don't do that. Everytime you flush, we're counting. Your pussy looking good, Babe. Me2Bill: Hey I just have long hair, I've got no pussy! At all. Can't afford one. Bill, you're such an asshole. Do stop looking at mine! Admission: My worldview wasn't this funny+dystopian, but life has made it so. > [] > > > > I too well understand the pitfalls of being over qualified. And old. > > NPR website advised older people to not include work experiences > > beyond the past seven years on their resumes. I'm thinking, like why? > > When I show up for the face-to-face job interview, I'm going to look > > like a twenty something?! The justification cited was that a resume > > with a less than seven years history was less likely to be rejected by > > the SW algorithms. They advised, sure list your degrees and colleges, > > just don't write the years you received them, At least you'd get past > > the first hurdle by this digital-paper-lying ways of resumes. O(y)e... > > Yes Oy! That's just one of the reasons I refuse to apply for a job these days. I know the corporations need somebody to fill the timesheets and sign. I also know their profit margins are greater if they hire a younger person. I'm 56, going through the motions of applying for a job, getting past the SW algorithms, pretending to be interested, and still not being offered any job... is a complete and total waste and abuse of my time. > > I stopped reading NPR articles almost immediately after that. I just did. > > > > Go STEM education go! Sign your kids, especially if Black and Female, up ASAP! My bad, I meant your in the generic sense. Not you specifically. > Not my kids, my grandkids! Nice, very nice. Enjoy your grandkids, Ed! Go play with them! > [] > > What emoticon would you Ed recommend for me m(y) sentiment? He he... > > maybe :-P Since I don't know what that emoticon means, I searched for it. I got: “More than 90 percent of online populations now incorporate emojis and emoticons into their texts and emails, and researchers are wondering what the use of (~_^), (>_<), or =D can reveal about human behavior. Emojis and emoticons can be used as tools for evaluating how we relate to each other in the digital age.” Source? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170117140140.htm I guess I'm not relating in the so-called digital age. O well. He he... -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 17:56 -0800 |
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I meant, there are 2 spatial p.theora, only one planar, but I'll get back to you on the spherical and hyperbolic ones > Source? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170117140140.htm > > I guess I'm not relating in the so-called digital age. O well. He he... > > -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 18:42 -0500 |
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On 3/2/2017 8:01 PM, Mahipal wrote: > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 6:07:49 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >>> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >> [] >>>> >>>> Aw, I thought we were having a heart to theart conversation. ;) >>> >>> You're going to continue torture me with them emoticons. O(y)e... >> >> Okay, I'll back off a little. > > He he... please... write as and what you feel, Sir EdJi. Nice of you to offer. > >>> Speaking of the 1980's, which UserIDs, have you posted under in this NG? >> >> probably not much in sci.physics back then. >> My focus then was software engineering. If you search for >> edprochak you should find my posts from accounts at AOL, Netscape, >> magicinterface.com, and I think allenbradley (ab.com? It's been >> a long time). I posted in many groups. I did a lot of posts >> in rec.running in the 90's where there were some interesting trolls, >> much more interesting than most of the ones here. > > That's seriously funny. A rec.running group attracts trolls too? > Never in a million years would I've expected or thunk that. Never. > > Troll Mindset: Good Morning Usenet! How am I going to troll you today? > > While there are trolls here in this NG, the worst of 'em are stalkers. > For example, Stalker HVAC dreams of his perfect Universe where all are gay. > >> [] >>> Commendable and good luck. But do respect your seniors, Ed. For this NG... >>> Here's your history: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Mqb4NNxZDAAJ >> >> If you mean seniors by age, I do not have too many even in this group! > > That's a very smart, polite, and kind way of dealing with age. I'm jealous! > I'm gonna have to use that line one day. I might mention you Ed... maybe. > > A little, in my little town story. After a long time, I went back to my > village. Lots of changes, most all the grandparents had passed. Save one. > > I went to her house. Her new daughter-in-law and family said she's too > tired/weak and sleeping and that I wouldn't/shouldn't meet her. She > slept alone in a dark room. I insisted to see her. They followed me > into her room. I knew the house well, I played there since I was like > three years old. That I remember. I see her lying there. I call out > her relationship name BoBoJi. She instantly jumped up and said: > Mahipal?! Gave me a never-ending hug. She was like a 103+ years old. > > When I got the jumping hug from BoBoJi, the new family gasped... WTF?! > No, not in English actually. In Punjabi! Did you see that... Punjabi WTF?! > > In my little town, I grew up believing, God keeps his eye on us all... > > BoBoJi has passed away recently. No, I doubt she heard any English song. > >>> IME, there's pseudo-science everywhere. Basically, it's pseudoHype by default. >>> >>>> Seems sci.physics attracts a strong breed of kook. >>>> But that's okay. I've seen worse. >>> >>> Well, this is the only NG in town, the common watering hole. >>> Not many post science here, just their unsupportable hopes and dreams. >>> The few who claim to be real-scientists, merely respond condescendingly. >>> >> [] >>>> Oh, so the "zero substantive input since he initiated this thread" >>>> wasn't meant to be insulting? or else you comment has little content. >>>> Well, 'nuf said on that. >>> >>> First and foremost, that statement of mine was/is observationally factual. >>> Well also, per history, Odd and I share this open mutual hatred of eachother. >>> Odd's desperate need to defend being anonymous, I find despicable. Again, FACT. >>> He makes toys? He's got no website for his work. There's no physical >>> business address. O that's right, Odd doesn't need any new customers. >> >> There are times being anonymous serves a purpose (good and bad). >> Yet I never found the need to hide my identity on usenet. > > I've treated Usenet as if it's a bar. Cheers, Norm! In sum: If you're not you, > then who the fuck are you S(y)ndrome?! Be yourself or don't be here. Period. > > I also doubt there exist a lot of physicists/mathematicians, who are > in the witness protection program, and need hide their true identity. > >>> Ftr, there's nothing new or original on this Math2Physics topic. People here >>> routinely discuss this falsehood that PhysicsIsMath all the time. The >>> holy grail of math is blocked by there being no closed form solution >>> to the three body problem or to the Navier-Stokes set of equations. >> >> No classical methods to square the circle either. But Mathematics >> developed other methods to solve that problem. Mathematics has not >> stopped learning any more than Physics. > > I share that sentiment, there's no full stop to either Math or Physics. > > The nuance that I point out, is the same simple obviousism to and that > BenjJi highlights, is not to conclude that you're a physicist because > you've done some differential calculus. BenjJi knows Math! While HVAC > and Odd both, can only spell Math math MATH. That's after spellchecking. > >>> The materials stress-strain tensor equations being projected onto GR. >>> The quest, the search, for an equation about an inch long to explain >>> the Physics Of Everything Theory (POET). He he... never gonna happen. >>> >>> Trust me, I'm not holding me m(y) breath. >> >> I don't expect the next Einstein level advance for another hundred years. > > The Einstein who ever spoke any word which could be carved in OneStone? That Einstein? > >>> Yes, sure I took a graduate course called Mathematical Physics. I was >>> like one of five students. Having perfect attendance, I angered the >>> professor to no end. I could feel him thinking: Damn, Mahipal alone >>> showed up again for the regularly scheduled lecture. Damn damn DAMN! >>> >>> I think I got a B+ in that very math intensive physics course. >> >> Cool. >>> >>> The most memorable moment for me regards this class? On the last >>> lecture day... this beautiful girl, tall, long curly hair, a PhD math >>> major, shows up, sits next to me, and asks if she can borrow to copy >>> my notebook of the complete semester's handwritten notes. She took it. >>> Made a Xerox copy of it. Returned my book. She said thank you. Politely. >>> Smiled. Turned around, walked out of my life. Never saw her again. >> >> As an undergrad, I studied with this one girl. She would ask all >> kinds of questions about the materials from the previous physics >> class. I'd answer. Then she would score higher on the tests. >> She eventually found someone smarter than me. Oh well. > > Isn't it always that way, there's always a better pair of shoes girls want? > I just want to know, who makes all those shoes? Why are others always better? > >>> She's likely a professor somewhere. Probably lecturing from me m(y) notebook. >>> >> [] >>>> I think he's busy in some other threads. >>> >>> Odd thinks mocking creative free-thinking JohnJi, makes Odd important. >> >> JS is the mocking one. > > I learned some time back, that Physics can be, is, a Liberal Arts Discipline. > >>> Pretty much, mostly Odd, that's all he does. I, IMHO, suspect this has >>> something to do with us humans, in general, being creatures of habit. >>> On the weird side, JohnJi likes the Odd attention, I suppose. >> >> I suspect you are right. >> >> [off topic politics snipped] > > Hey! Not off topic, I threw gravity of standing/sitting until nauseating in there. > >>>> I looked at his ten most recent posts. Only one was remotely related >>>> to physics. The other nine were all zero substantive input" (to use >>>> your rating scale). >>> >>> Well, you must go back further in time. New physics content never happens daily. >>> Physics ideas, laws, and principles do not turn quickly on a dime. Pay sucks too. >> >> One of the reasons I moved to Engineering. > > I, from the beginning, opted to be an engineer. I wanted to learn how > TVs worked. My first mistake? I opted for the ME department, over EE. > All I had to do was check the EE box on the application. But no...ooo! Doesn't matter. Rolf will tell you that people in science and enginering don't get paid squat. But then those in ME get paid less squat than those in EE... Who get paid less squat than those in AE (probably chimp). >> [] >>>> I never said they were the same. >>>> (Now here is where I am supposed to >>>> question your reading ability. 8^) >>> >>> Question my English reading every nanosecond of every day. English is >>> like a third language to me. Also, being good at the English language >>> does not one a Physicist make. I learned that the hard way. >> [] >>>>> I know many PhD's who hide that specific detail on their resumes when >>>>> job hunting. >>>>> Old Get S.M.A.R.T S(y)ndrome... never hire people smarter than you==BossJi. >>>> >>>> There's a simple rule to counteract that: >>>> Do your best to make you boss look good >>>> and it helps if he knows what you did. >>> >>> Good advice, but here's how this plays out in the real corporate world. >>> >>> I had this boss once. In a virtual phone meeting with a dozen++ people, >>> including the clients, this boss accused me of breaking some SW code >>> that had existed for decades. He's like: Mahipal must've fucked it up! >>> >>> While 10+ years at the company, I was on this project for only six months. >>> >>> I had made no SW code changes to that part of the pre-existing algorithm. >>> >>> So, I simply denied making any fucked-up SW code changes. Hell, nobody >>> on the project team even mentioned this highly sensitive problem existed. >>> >>> The client wanted to know why this erroneous HW+SW behaviour existed >>> for the past two decades. The bug generated false/fake transactions >>> for which the client was not collecting any real revenue==money. >>> Where's the money?! They really wanted that extra non-existent cash. >>> >>> Needless to say, a couple of months later, I was on the street job hunting. >>> At least this bossDude was happy to use me as a pawn to kick to the curb?! >> >> I had one experience that was more direct. >> On a contract assignment I was talking the the manager that >> I reported to. I ranted for a time how the software architecture >> was lousy. The design required that when the serial line connection >> was lost, ALL the higher level applications needed to disconnect >> their inter process communication link. This caused the IPC links >> to bounce several times before things settled out. the manager >> made no comments. >> >> later One of the other engineers mentioned that my manager was >> the designer of that software architecture. I think my contract >> ended the following week. > > Happens to a lot of us, I conclude. Now, I may have to go insincerely > look for a job. At least I'll go expecting just another insincere boss. > One thing I do remember vividly was managers daily reminding everyone > to fill out there timesheets. Sign and deliver them on-time. > > Managers insisting that we report all the overtime hours we worked. > > Then I said to myself, I only get paid for forty hours, I'm only going > to sign for fourty hours, No matter that I worked 24/7. Which the > managers damn well knew. They confronted me and said I need record > time actually worked and then sign. Why? Turns out, while they paid me > for the 40 hours per week, they charged the clients for all the overtime > on my/our timesheets. Greed is King! Corporate Greed, doubly so. Hey, what's a professional like you doing filling out timesheets? At that level you should be on salary. As I would tell the secretaries: Quit whining about what they give you to do. At the end of 8 hours you just say "screw it" and take off. On salary, yes, you get a ton of cash, BUT when they give you an impossible job, you are expected to SOMEHOW get it done...or else. > Government Industrial Complex is two blocks east, four north, and > three west. A quick U-turn. Beware the dogs. Them police with guns? > They're there for your safety. Or just mine. I forget. De nada. Tell > 'em Bill sent you. Have a nice day behind the keyboard remaining > silent in your cubicle. If you take/need too many bathroom breaks, > well we've installed digital cardkeys to let you into the stalls. > Not that we're stalking or surveilling your shit. We don't do that. > Everytime you flush, we're counting. Your pussy looking good, Babe. Hey, hasn't HVAC told you that your government can't properly protect you if they don't know what you are doing every second of every day? .
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 19:11 -0500 |
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On 3/1/2017 4:56 PM, Mahipal wrote: > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >>> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >> [] >>>> >>>> I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, >>>> how we arrived at where we are in science. >>> >>> I prefer the ScienceOfHistory, this is a physics NG afterall. >> >> I didn't say we need to discuss it here. >> And the Science of History is not physics either. > > Sure SOH is physics. The trajectory of cannon balls, electrons, waves, ... > The Moon, Earth, Sun, Stars... the whole MESS. SpaceTime, the whole past. SpaceTime is fantasy, not science. >> [] >>>>> Actually, when posting that, I thought of writing: >>>>> The Art of The Condescension. >>>>> Again, I forgot nothing. Cute as your line is, Ed. I merely outgrew emoticons. >>>> >>>> Too bad. >>> >>> Actually it's very liberating. Have you ever heard of Grasshopper, the >>> genius Kung Fu Shaolin Master Kwai Chang Caine? His teacher was blind. >>> Emoticons are a crutch, not a shorthand, for those who can't think/write. >> >> They are just FUN :) ;) :> > > I was merely making a point, knock yourself out with emoticons. > >>> A long Long LONG time ago... (American Pie, Don McLean), >> >> Our tases in music run close. Not sure I can still do it, >> but I used to know all the lyrics to the full version. > > Cool! Just a great song! Bye bye Miss American π==Pi==Pie... drove my... > Also, I did post, in this thread, a link with lyrics to Don Mclean's song. > Ask anyone, I'm only here for the music... can rock 'n roll save your moral soul... Actually the word is "mortal" which is a clever play on "immortal soul" for guys like HVAC who see Fundies under every Bush(ites). Your choice of "moral" is quite the wordsmithing. You'll be group moderator in no time. >> [] >>>>> Sharks here do not give a damn what you or I are doing. You post, you're food. >>>> >>>> As we all are. >>> >>> See, we have something in common. >>> >>>> [] >>>>> This NG is unmoderated, an open for discussion setting. That's not changing >>>>> anytime soon, unless those the(y)TheThem succeed in shutting Usenet down. >>>> >>>> You really think I don't know that? I have posted to various usenet >>>> newsgroups at least back to the late 80's. You have much to learn. >>> >>> I never said I knew what you think regards that specifically. >> >> Aw, I thought we were having a heart to theart conversation. ;) > > You're going to continue torture me with them emoticons. O(y)e... > > Speaking of the 1980's, which UserIDs, have you posted under in this NG? > >>> For good >>> reasons, I simply stopped interacting on multiple NGs. Just conversation. >>> I might read your history of posts, you Ed have a certain conviction, >>> however wrong it actually is. He he... >> >> I can be a contrarian like you when the need arises. But here >> too many spout pseudo-science. I try to point out the mistakes >> for two reasons: >> 1. to help that person learn, if possible. >> 2. to help newbies or other lurkers see the errors > > Commendable and good luck. But do respect your seniors, Ed. For this NG... > Here's your history: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Mqb4NNxZDAAJ Yes Ed, respect your seniors. > IME, there's pseudo-science everywhere. Basically, it's pseudoHype by default. Amen. It's what happens when people who aren't geeks try to do science. All they know how to do is replace facts with emotion. Basically mental ward stuff. >> Seems sci.physics attracts a strong breed of kook. >> But that's okay. I've seen worse. > > Well, this is the only NG in town, the common watering hole. > Not many post science here, just their unsupportable hopes and dreams. > The few who claim to be real-scientists, merely respond condescendingly. Hey, I resemble that remark! >> [] >>>>> Again, Odd has offered zero substantive input since he initiated this thread. >>>> >>>> But he did initiate this thread with interesting and informative material. >>> >>> I already credited Odd for initiating this thread, in this thread alone. >>> Do you Ed read much or well? Odd rarely initiates any thread. Buy The Book(s)! >> >> Oh, so the "zero substantive input since he initiated this thread" >> wasn't meant to be insulting? or else you comment has little content. >> Well, 'nuf said on that. > > First and foremost, that statement of mine was/is observationally factual. > Well also, per history, Odd and I share this open mutual hatred of eachother. > Odd's desperate need to defend being anonymous, I find despicable. Again, FACT. > He makes toys? He's got no website for his work. There's no physical > business address. O that's right, Odd doesn't need any new customers. No doubt it works out since his fine toys are fantasies just like his new customers. > Ftr, there's nothing new or original on this Math2Physics topic. People here > routinely discuss this falsehood that PhysicsIsMath all the time. The > holy grail of math is blocked by there being no closed form solution > to the three body problem or to the Navier-Stokes set of equations. > The materials stress-strain tensor equations being projected onto GR. > The quest, the search, for an equation about an inch long to explain > the Physics Of Everything Theory (POET). He he... never gonna happen. Oh My PAL! Never say never. Might as well just post "I'm stupid" However we do know that there may actually exist a TOE equation that cannot be proved by mathematics (does not mean it cannot be discovered, however. ESP is true) That impossible to prove rule has been proved. > Trust me, I'm not holding me m(y) breath. > > Yes, sure I took a graduate course called Mathematical Physics. I was > like one of five students. Having perfect attendance, I angered the > professor to no end. I could feel him thinking: Damn, Mahipal alone > showed up again for the regularly scheduled lecture. Damn damn DAMN! Didn't HVAC teach you that science is about BELIEVING not about questioning? > I think I got a B+ in that very math intensive physics course. > > The most memorable moment for me regards this class? On the last > lecture day... this beautiful girl, tall, long curly hair, a PhD math > major, shows up, sits next to me, and asks if she can borrow to copy > my notebook of the complete semester's handwritten notes. She took it. > Made a Xerox copy of it. Returned my book. She said thank you. Politely. > Smiled. Turned around, walked out of my life. Never saw her again. Trump is a better negotiator than that! You had her right where you could make her an offer she couldn't refuse and you blew it. Obviously you are a geek and understand science so much more than all the fakers where who have no problem dealing with hot babes! > She's likely a professor somewhere. Probably lecturing from me m(y) notebook. Take pride in it! >>>>> Note Odd's title/confession: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics >>>>> >>>>> Conclusion? It's obvious Odd understands neither mathematics nor physics. >>>> >>>> Bzxzt wrong. He was just being polite and not calling out >>>> anyone specifically. It's a trait this group could use more of. >>> >>> It's a discussion NG, not a shoutAndPostAndRunAway NG. >>> Where's Odd's discussion? >> >> I think he's busy in some other threads. > > Odd thinks mocking creative free-thinking JohnJi, makes Odd important. > Pretty much, mostly Odd, that's all he does. I, IMHO, suspect this has > something to do with us humans, in general, being creatures of habit. > On the weird side, JohnJi likes the Odd attention, I suppose. Odd can't think. All Odd can do is just repeat the dogma he's learned by heart and reject any new ideas (until finally approved b y his church) as heresy. He thinks a little time spent on the rack will help get John's mind right. > I was watching TrumpET's SOTU speech, it seems to me politicians are > also creatures of habit: They must be able to clap and stand, playing > and fighting with gravity, every minute or so. Clap clap CLAP... > Imagine all the body language analysis taking place in slow-motion replay. My man Trump kicking butt and taking names! Talk about body language! Did you see all those Dimocrats sitting there pouting their losses like old men shouting "get off my lawn" to kids? Too funny for words. They simply can't accept that their darling socialism is a proven failed system. Didn't get the memo I guess. >> [] >>>>> IMO, BenjJi is often being sarcastic and is mocking his stalkers. >>>> >>>> true. But if he has "skills", he should contribute something useful. >>> >>> Sir BenjJi has, it's called history. Click this link here, read away. >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Ph228eHECwAJ >> >> I looked at his ten most recent posts. Only one was remotely related >> to physics. The other nine were all zero substantive input" (to use >> your rating scale). > > Well, you must go back further in time. New physics content never happens daily. > Physics ideas, laws, and principles do not turn quickly on a dime. Pay sucks too. Hey, no substantial physics here since Uncle Al left. (and he was a chemist, go figure) One need only listen to Odd's "philosophy" of properties existing independent of the thing that possesses the properties to see why physics is down the shitter. >>>>> This here is a discussion NG about physics, else go study at HVAC's college. >>>> >>>> And the topic at hand is Mathematics in Physics. >>> >>> So you Ed agree, Mathematics is not Physics. Thanks for clearing that up. >> >> I never said they were the same. >> (Now here is where I am supposed to >> question your reading ability. 8^) > > Question my English reading every nanosecond of every day. English is > like a third language to me. Also, being good at the English language > does not one a Physicist make. I learned that the hard way. Cheer up. English is a mystery to everyone. Steals from everywhere and just dumps in all in without any logic or reason. Huge mess. No English language police like the sensible French have. (The French wonder where in hell that English-American term "French Fries" came from anyway?) >> [] >>>>> >>>>> I am an ABD PhD in Mechanical Engineering, with a Physics minor. >>>>> My math and physics knowledge has been well demonstrated, even graded. >>>>> Last time I tried and failed, I just can't change my past experiences. >>>> >>>> I've come across a few PHD's that are like that, cannot produce >>>> a useful result. >>> >>> Ed, you'd be fun to have drinks with! Cute faceSlap that. >>> I'll wipe me m(y) blood off. >>> >>> Yes, most PhD's are useless, that's why they suffer in the corporate world. >>> I know many PhD's who hide that specific detail on their resumes when >>> job hunting. >>> Old Get S.M.A.R.T S(y)ndrome... never hire people smarter than you==BossJi. >> >> There's a simple rule to counteract that: >> Do your best to make you boss look good >> and it helps if he knows what you did. > > Good advice, but here's how this plays out in the real corporate world. Bad advice. Assume your boss is an idiot and dishonest to cover his own ass and act accordingly. > I had this boss once. In a virtual phone meeting with a dozen++ people, > including the clients, this boss accused me of breaking some SW code > that had existed for decades. He's like: Mahipal must've fucked it up! > > While 10+ years at the company, I was on this project for only six months. > > I had made no SW code changes to that part of the pre-existing algorithm. > > So, I simply denied making any fucked-up SW code changes. Hell, nobody > on the project team even mentioned this highly sensitive problem existed. > > The client wanted to know why this erroneous HW+SW behaviour existed > for the past two decades. The bug generated false/fake transactions > for which the client was not collecting any real revenue==money. > Where's the money?! They really wanted that extra non-existent cash. > > Needless to say, a couple of months later, I was on the street job hunting. > At least this bossDude was happy to use me as a pawn to kick to the curb?! See, you didn't follow my advice. Bad things always happen when you don't listen to me. Recall college incident. Had this Iranian advisor at the time. Idiot in the lab. I wander in one day and he's playing with an ammonia laser. I'm just standing there and he says. "Go open the valve on the tank" do I do and immediately it blows the hose off and ammonia gas fills the room! We beat a retreat and it empties the building. So there were are standing in the front yard and the lab director comes over and asks Prof. Genius what happened. "Jacoby made a stink" he told him! He didn't notice I was standing right behind him. Well, yes, like an HVAC lie it was technically true that it was my hand that turned the knob that made the stink, but... Unlike your case, in my case I fired his worthless untrustworthy ass. Let him blame someone else next time. >>>>> What did you study, to what level, Ed? Why do I ask? Easy, I already >>>>> know of BenjJi's teachers. Wouldn't it be nice/helpful if all interactors >>>>> revealed their educational accomplishments? Yes, yes it would. Physics >>>>> isn't like business successes. In Physics one needs an education, with >>>>> its entrapments of history and all. Disagree with me all you Ed want. >>>>> On a scale of 0 to 10... and all that. Their writings reveal much. Shhh... >>>> >>>> BS Physics , math and Secondary Education minors >>>> MS Electrical Engineering >>> >>> Nice! In retrospect, I wish I'd chosen EE, rather than ME. Too late, now. >>> >>>> I thought about doing a PHD, but decided to follow a useful >>>> Engineering career instead. >>> >>> Are you ED claiming that there are no PhD degrees in any Engineering? >> >> No. It was at that time that most PHDs I had dealt with could not >> produce results in the lab. I was on a research project on Fuel Cells. >> A good chunk of the research money was sucked up by the PHDs in the >> corpporate R&D lab. They managed to build a fully automated test fixture, >> but could not get a since fuel cell working. In our lab, we made do >> with manual controls, and recording the data by hand. At one point >> we had all twelve test rigs with operating cells. >> >> Since then I have managed to meet several excellent PHDs who are very >> productive. So my opinion has moderated. But I still prefer working >> with someone that can complete the work, even sans degree. > > I too well understand the pitfalls of being over qualified. And old. > NPR website advised older people to not include work experiences > beyond the past seven years on their resumes. I'm thinking, like why? > When I show up for the face-to-face job interview, I'm going to look > like a twenty something?! The justification cited was that a resume > with a less than seven years history was less likely to be rejected by > the SW algorithms. They advised, sure list your degrees and colleges, > just don't write the years you received them, At least you'd get past > the first hurdle by this digital-paper-lying ways of resumes. O(y)e... I told you to lie on your resume. Just figure out what they want and word everything to sound as if you have just what it takes to give them that. Usually at our age you have enough experiences that you can make your resume "based on a true story". Ask what would HVAC do? > I stopped reading NPR articles almost immediately after that. I just did. Nothing of value on NPR, that's for sure. > Go STEM education go! Sign your kids, especially if Black and Female, up ASAP! Don't be so negative. Hey, Indian is almost black. You can "pass". A place I once worked would only go down as far as Indian engineers to show "diversity" in hiring. Only janitors were actually blacks. And anyway these days just say you are GAY! Better than female! Do I have to teach you everything about how life works, chela? PS. If you really want to be a master like me, then think about this rule that I always use when searching for a new job. I always ask myself "Would I take this job if it paid NOTHING at all?" If the answer is "yes" I hire on. Sometimes it admittedly takes some balls to do this (if cash is short) but it's always the right question. Do you understand what I'm saying here?
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 17:44 -0800 |
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 20:11 -0800 |
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On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:11:35 PM UTC-5, benj wrote: > On 3/1/2017 4:56 PM, Mahipal wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:21:57 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > >> [] > >>>> > >>>> I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, > >>>> how we arrived at where we are in science. > >>> > >>> I prefer the ScienceOfHistory, this is a physics NG afterall. > >> > >> I didn't say we need to discuss it here. > >> And the Science of History is not physics either. > > > > Sure SOH is physics. The trajectory of cannon balls, electrons, waves, ... > > The Moon, Earth, Sun, Stars... the whole MESS. SpaceTime, the whole past. > > SpaceTime is fantasy, not science. There's Space. There's Time. There's history of events, no math need apply. > >> [] > >>>>> Actually, when posting that, I thought of writing: > >>>>> The Art of The Condescension. > >>>>> Again, I forgot nothing. Cute as your line is, Ed. I merely outgrew emoticons. > >>>> > >>>> Too bad. > >>> > >>> Actually it's very liberating. Have you ever heard of Grasshopper, the > >>> genius Kung Fu Shaolin Master Kwai Chang Caine? His teacher was blind. > >>> Emoticons are a crutch, not a shorthand, for those who can't think/write. > >> > >> They are just FUN :) ;) :> > > > > I was merely making a point, knock yourself out with emoticons. > > > >>> A long Long LONG time ago... (American Pie, Don McLean), > >> > >> Our tases in music run close. Not sure I can still do it, > >> but I used to know all the lyrics to the full version. > > > > Cool! Just a great song! Bye bye Miss American π==Pi==Pie... drove my... > > Also, I did post, in this thread, a link with lyrics to Don Mclean's song. > > Ask anyone, I'm only here for the music... can rock 'n roll save your moral soul... > > Actually the word is "mortal" which is a clever play on "immortal soul" > for guys like HVAC who see Fundies under every Bush(ites). Your choice > of "moral" is quite the wordsmithing. You'll be group moderator in no time. You better run Run RUN, BenjJi. I'm going to Pink Floyd slaughter you. Run! I hate you BenjJi! I've always heard the word 'moral' and to find out today in 2017 it's actually mortal soul. Holy crap! But thanks for pointing that out. Eventhough I posted and heard the link-with-lyrics, I wasn't really reading the words. I was happily singing to the song. As I always do. Thanks. But I hate you Sir BenjJi and I am going to killfile you, as soon as I learn how to killfile. Killfile you, your friends, your family, your pets, your BellBottoms, your long beautiful hair... and Everyone! What? I could just turn my CPU off?! O(y)e... My MACbookPro User's Manual, paper version, says on how to killfile BenjJi: CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+DELETE, dance a little dance, hit 4 9 + 2, inhale and hit Send send SEND. Yes, three times. You're toast Sir BenjJi. Good day! Never mind. He he... I do always say to myself, wouldn't it be better if the song's lyrics were these instead... examples left to your imagination. > >> [] > >>>>> Sharks here do not give a damn what you or I are doing. You post, you're food. > >>>> > >>>> As we all are. > >>> > >>> See, we have something in common. > >>> > >>>> [] > >>>>> This NG is unmoderated, an open for discussion setting. That's not changing > >>>>> anytime soon, unless those the(y)TheThem succeed in shutting Usenet down. > >>>> > >>>> You really think I don't know that? I have posted to various usenet > >>>> newsgroups at least back to the late 80's. You have much to learn. > >>> > >>> I never said I knew what you think regards that specifically. > >> > >> Aw, I thought we were having a heart to theart conversation. ;) > > > > You're going to continue torture me with them emoticons. O(y)e... > > > > Speaking of the 1980's, which UserIDs, have you posted under in this NG? > > > >>> For good > >>> reasons, I simply stopped interacting on multiple NGs. Just conversation. > >>> I might read your history of posts, you Ed have a certain conviction, > >>> however wrong it actually is. He he... > >> > >> I can be a contrarian like you when the need arises. But here > >> too many spout pseudo-science. I try to point out the mistakes > >> for two reasons: > >> 1. to help that person learn, if possible. > >> 2. to help newbies or other lurkers see the errors > > > > Commendable and good luck. But do respect your seniors, Ed. For this NG... > > Here's your history: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Mqb4NNxZDAAJ > > Yes Ed, respect your seniors. Also, seniors is not a simple as an age thing. Speaking of physics, when was the last time anyone of us asked a seventeen year old to explain Poincare's Recursion Time? I love Poincare. Just do. Hey kid, yes you young one, explain to me Poincare's Recursion Time. Google it on your #smartestestphone. Quick, talk to me. > > IME, there's pseudo-science everywhere. Basically, it's pseudoHype by default. > > Amen. It's what happens when people who aren't geeks try to do science. > All they know how to do is replace facts with emotion. Basically mental > ward stuff. One has to wonder why that is the only mode of communicating Physics/Math. > >> Seems sci.physics attracts a strong breed of kook. > >> But that's okay. I've seen worse. > > > > Well, this is the only NG in town, the common watering hole. > > Not many post science here, just their unsupportable hopes and dreams. > > The few who claim to be real-scientists, merely respond condescendingly. > > Hey, I resemble that remark! BenjJi you did just raise the bar on my English music knowledge. I'm going Hindi! > >> [] > >>>>> Again, Odd has offered zero substantive input since he initiated this thread. > >>>> > >>>> But he did initiate this thread with interesting and informative material. > >>> > >>> I already credited Odd for initiating this thread, in this thread alone. > >>> Do you Ed read much or well? Odd rarely initiates any thread. Buy The Book(s)! > >> > >> Oh, so the "zero substantive input since he initiated this thread" > >> wasn't meant to be insulting? or else you comment has little content. > >> Well, 'nuf said on that. > > > > First and foremost, that statement of mine was/is observationally factual. > > Well also, per history, Odd and I share this open mutual hatred of eachother. > > Odd's desperate need to defend being anonymous, I find despicable. Again, FACT. > > He makes toys? He's got no website for his work. There's no physical > > business address. O that's right, Odd doesn't need any new customers. > > No doubt it works out since his fine toys are fantasies just like his > new customers. By the Math, how stupid does anonymous OddBall expect his readers to be?! I just want to know what to wear. Do I discard me Invisible Purple Turban? > > Ftr, there's nothing new or original on this Math2Physics topic. People here > > routinely discuss this falsehood that PhysicsIsMath all the time. The > > holy grail of math is blocked by there being no closed form solution > > to the three body problem or to the Navier-Stokes set of equations. > > The materials stress-strain tensor equations being projected onto GR. > > The quest, the search, for an equation about an inch long to explain > > the Physics Of Everything Theory (POET). He he... never gonna happen. > > Oh My PAL! Never say never. Might as well just post "I'm stupid" However > we do know that there may actually exist a TOE equation that cannot be > proved by mathematics (does not mean it cannot be discovered, however. > ESP is true) That impossible to prove rule has been proved. I will think about that. What if there is a TOE, just not expressible?! > > Trust me, I'm not holding me m(y) breath. > > > > Yes, sure I took a graduate course called Mathematical Physics. I was > > like one of five students. Having perfect attendance, I angered the > > professor to no end. I could feel him thinking: Damn, Mahipal alone > > showed up again for the regularly scheduled lecture. Damn damn DAMN! > > Didn't HVAC teach you that science is about BELIEVING not about > questioning? HVAC taught me why not to be an idiot without any college background. > > I think I got a B+ in that very math intensive physics course. > > > > The most memorable moment for me regards this class? On the last > > lecture day... this beautiful girl, tall, long curly hair, a PhD math > > major, shows up, sits next to me, and asks if she can borrow to copy > > my notebook of the complete semester's handwritten notes. She took it. > > Made a Xerox copy of it. Returned my book. She said thank you. Politely. > > Smiled. Turned around, walked out of my life. Never saw her again. > > Trump is a better negotiator than that! You had her right where you > could make her an offer she couldn't refuse and you blew it. Obviously > you are a geek and understand science so much more than all the fakers > where who have no problem dealing with hot babes! That's too funny! She was gorgeous! Alas, I was married at the time. > > She's likely a professor somewhere. Probably lecturing from me m(y) notebook. > > Take pride in it! I smile everytime I think about that incident/event. Just too funny/sex(y)! > >>>>> Note Odd's title/confession: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics > >>>>> > >>>>> Conclusion? It's obvious Odd understands neither mathematics nor physics. > >>>> > >>>> Bzxzt wrong. He was just being polite and not calling out > >>>> anyone specifically. It's a trait this group could use more of. > >>> > >>> It's a discussion NG, not a shoutAndPostAndRunAway NG. > >>> Where's Odd's discussion? > >> > >> I think he's busy in some other threads. > > > > Odd thinks mocking creative free-thinking JohnJi, makes Odd important. > > > Pretty much, mostly Odd, that's all he does. I, IMHO, suspect this has > > something to do with us humans, in general, being creatures of habit. > > On the weird side, JohnJi likes the Odd attention, I suppose. > > Odd can't think. All Odd can do is just repeat the dogma he's learned by > heart and reject any new ideas (until finally approved b y his church) > as heresy. He thinks a little time spent on the rack will help get > John's mind right. I'd rather just read JohnJi. Notice how OddBall is steering John into discussing the relative merits of which belief systems are true. Asshole. > > I was watching TrumpET's SOTU speech, it seems to me politicians are > > also creatures of habit: They must be able to clap and stand, playing > > and fighting with gravity, every minute or so. Clap clap CLAP... > > Imagine all the body language analysis taking place in slow-motion replay. > > My man Trump kicking butt and taking names! Talk about body language! > Did you see all those Dimocrats sitting there pouting their losses like > old men shouting "get off my lawn" to kids? Too funny for words. They > simply can't accept that their darling socialism is a proven failed > system. Didn't get the memo I guess. I never take sides, nor do I vote. I hate politics and politicians. I'm getting a bit disappointed in the talking head journalists I admired. Nixon: I am not a Crook! Trump: I am not a Politician! Trump2016 <SHOUTING>: Teleprompters are for losers! Trump2017: Where's my teleprompter, I can shake my little hands to? I just lay back, relax, smile, drink me some Russian Vodka... try forget my life. > >> [] > >>>>> IMO, BenjJi is often being sarcastic and is mocking his stalkers. > >>>> > >>>> true. But if he has "skills", he should contribute something useful. > >>> > >>> Sir BenjJi has, it's called history. Click this link here, read away. > >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/sci.physics/Ph228eHECwAJ > >> > >> I looked at his ten most recent posts. Only one was remotely related > >> to physics. The other nine were all zero substantive input" (to use > >> your rating scale). > > > > Well, you must go back further in time. New physics content never happens daily. > > Physics ideas, laws, and principles do not turn quickly on a dime. Pay sucks too. > > Hey, no substantial physics here since Uncle Al left. (and he was a > chemist, go figure) One need only listen to Odd's "philosophy" of > properties existing independent of the thing that possesses the > properties to see why physics is down the shitter. It's good Uncle Al has retired from Usenet. He never encountered another individual who wasn't an Idiot, according to him. > >>>>> This here is a discussion NG about physics, else go study at HVAC's college. > >>>> > >>>> And the topic at hand is Mathematics in Physics. > >>> > >>> So you Ed agree, Mathematics is not Physics. Thanks for clearing that up. > >> > >> I never said they were the same. > >> (Now here is where I am supposed to > >> question your reading ability. 8^) > > > > Question my English reading every nanosecond of every day. English is > > like a third language to me. Also, being good at the English language > > does not one a Physicist make. I learned that the hard way. > > Cheer up. English is a mystery to everyone. Steals from everywhere and > just dumps in all in without any logic or reason. Huge mess. No > English language police like the sensible French have. (The French > wonder where in hell that English-American term "French Fries" came from > anyway?) English Chips on one's French shoulder served with German Sauerkraut?! > >> [] > >>>>> I am an ABD PhD in Mechanical Engineering, with a Physics minor. > >>>>> My math and physics knowledge has been well demonstrated, even graded. > >>>>> Last time I tried and failed, I just can't change my past experiences. > >>>> > >>>> I've come across a few PHD's that are like that, cannot produce > >>>> a useful result. > >>> > >>> Ed, you'd be fun to have drinks with! Cute faceSlap that. > >>> I'll wipe me m(y) blood off. > >>> > >>> Yes, most PhD's are useless, that's why they suffer in the corporate world. > >>> I know many PhD's who hide that specific detail on their resumes when > >>> job hunting. > >>> Old Get S.M.A.R.T S(y)ndrome... never hire people smarter than you==BossJi. > >> > >> There's a simple rule to counteract that: > >> Do your best to make you boss look good > >> and it helps if he knows what you did. > > > > Good advice, but here's how this plays out in the real corporate world. > > Bad advice. Assume your boss is an idiot and dishonest to cover his own > ass and act accordingly. I think you BenjJi, EdJi, and I are on the same side on this BossBullCrap. > > I had this boss once. In a virtual phone meeting with a dozen++ people, > > including the clients, this boss accused me of breaking some SW code > > that had existed for decades. He's like: Mahipal must've fucked it up! > > > > While 10+ years at the company, I was on this project for only six months. > > > > I had made no SW code changes to that part of the pre-existing algorithm. > > > > So, I simply denied making any fucked-up SW code changes. Hell, nobody > > on the project team even mentioned this highly sensitive problem existed. > > > > The client wanted to know why this erroneous HW+SW behaviour existed > > for the past two decades. The bug generated false/fake transactions > > for which the client was not collecting any real revenue==money. > > Where's the money?! They really wanted that extra non-existent cash. > > > > Needless to say, a couple of months later, I was on the street job hunting. > > At least this bossDude was happy to use me as a pawn to kick to the curb?! > > See, you didn't follow my advice. Bad things always happen when you > don't listen to me. I guess I have a hearing problem, like in moral versus mortal. That company, whose name I did not mention, has crumbled. They're busy rebranding under a new name. How do I know? I've always had good friends. > Recall college incident. Had this Iranian advisor at the time. Idiot in > the lab. I wander in one day and he's playing with an ammonia laser. I'm > just standing there and he says. "Go open the valve on the tank" do I do > and immediately it blows the hose off and ammonia gas fills the room! We > beat a retreat and it empties the building. So there were are standing > in the front yard and the lab director comes over and asks Prof. Genius > what happened. "Jacoby made a stink" he told him! He didn't notice I was > standing right behind him. Well, yes, like an HVAC lie it was > technically true that it was my hand that turned the knob that made the > stink, but... Unlike your case, in my case I fired his worthless > untrustworthy ass. Let him blame someone else next time. Good for you BenjJi! Liars are too stupid to know they'll be caught. I worked on this one project and was discussing SW changes over the phone. In loud speaker mode. The Bozo on the other side complained how the Quality Assurane guys didn't know what they were doing. The funny part? The QA guys were in the same room as me, listening to the conversation. I miss hanging out with those QA guys! They yelled at the Bozo: We're right here and can hear you. It was just classic. > >>>>> What did you study, to what level, Ed? Why do I ask? Easy, I already > >>>>> know of BenjJi's teachers. Wouldn't it be nice/helpful if all interactors > >>>>> revealed their educational accomplishments? Yes, yes it would. Physics > >>>>> isn't like business successes. In Physics one needs an education, with > >>>>> its entrapments of history and all. Disagree with me all you Ed want. > >>>>> On a scale of 0 to 10... and all that. Their writings reveal much. Shhh... > >>>> > >>>> BS Physics , math and Secondary Education minors > >>>> MS Electrical Engineering > >>> > >>> Nice! In retrospect, I wish I'd chosen EE, rather than ME. Too late, now. > >>> > >>>> I thought about doing a PHD, but decided to follow a useful > >>>> Engineering career instead. > >>> > >>> Are you ED claiming that there are no PhD degrees in any Engineering? > >> > >> No. It was at that time that most PHDs I had dealt with could not > >> produce results in the lab. I was on a research project on Fuel Cells. > >> A good chunk of the research money was sucked up by the PHDs in the > >> corpporate R&D lab. They managed to build a fully automated test fixture, > >> but could not get a since fuel cell working. In our lab, we made do > >> with manual controls, and recording the data by hand. At one point > >> we had all twelve test rigs with operating cells. > >> > >> Since then I have managed to meet several excellent PHDs who are very > >> productive. So my opinion has moderated. But I still prefer working > >> with someone that can complete the work, even sans degree. > > > > I too well understand the pitfalls of being over qualified. And old. > > NPR website advised older people to not include work experiences > > beyond the past seven years on their resumes. I'm thinking, like why? > > When I show up for the face-to-face job interview, I'm going to look > > like a twenty something?! The justification cited was that a resume > > with a less than seven years history was less likely to be rejected by > > the SW algorithms. They advised, sure list your degrees and colleges, > > just don't write the years you received them, At least you'd get past > > the first hurdle by this digital-paper-lying ways of resumes. O(y)e... > > I told you to lie on your resume. Just figure out what they want and > word everything to sound as if you have just what it takes to give them > that. Usually at our age you have enough experiences that you can make > your resume "based on a true story". Ask what would HVAC do? Grasshopper Mode: I do not want a job where I'd have to lie about me to get it. > > I stopped reading NPR articles almost immediately after that. I just did. > > Nothing of value on NPR, that's for sure. NPR shot itself in both feet. > > Go STEM education go! Sign your kids, especially if Black and Female, up ASAP! > > Don't be so negative. Hey, Indian is almost black. You can "pass". A > place I once worked would only go down as far as Indian engineers to > show "diversity" in hiring. Only janitors were actually blacks. And > anyway these days just say you are GAY! Better than female! Do I have to > teach you everything about how life works, chela? The dark racist truth is not new lessons for me, be I a chela or no. I asked a friend: What would racists look like if we were all blind? > PS. If you really want to be a master like me, then think about this > rule that I always use when searching for a new job. I always ask myself > "Would I take this job if it paid NOTHING at all?" If the answer is > "yes" I hire on. Sometimes it admittedly takes some balls to do this (if > cash is short) but it's always the right question. Do you understand > what I'm saying here? That's exactly why I work on my own app Seenchi=Seen+Chi where Chi is energy. -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <58b61679$0$53082$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #620959 |
On 2/28/2017 3:14 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 2:23:25 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: >> On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 9:21:21 AM UTC-5, edpr...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 8:48:54 AM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > [] >>>> Well, don't judge a man by a single post. There's a past we >>>> need/can not repeat. >>> >>> Yes benj has a history, but I try to ignore it. >> >> Yes. Like any good scientist does, toss aside all past knowledge/history?! >> Question: Which is greater, HistoryOfScience or ScienceOfHistory? > > I like the History of Science. It is important to know the past, > how we arrived at where we are in science. > > [] >>>> I like reading your posts Ed. You are trying very hard to be polite. Too much. >>> >>> What can I say. I'm trying hard to make these discussions civil. >> >> You Ed are also contradicting yourself regards what you thinking your making. > > >> >>>> BTW, well-mannered does not translate into being a Physicist or Mathematician. >>>> To be a good Physicist or Mathematician, one must master The Art of Condescension. >>> >>> You forgot the :) >> >> Actually, when posting that, I thought of writing: The Art of The Condescension. >> Again, I forgot nothing. Cute as your line is, Ed. I merely outgrew emoticons. > > Too bad. >> >>>> But, the waters here are deep, and you Ed are just still jumping up >>>> and down in the shallow waters. Swim to the deeper waters... leave >>>> that life jacket behind. Beware of sharks, I mean Hungry Sharks. >>> >>> I don't have the time to deal with a lot of this. I do real work >>> every day. >> >> Sharks here do not give a damn what you or I are doing. You post, you're food. > > As we all are. > > [] > > >> >> This NG is unmoderated, an open for discussion setting. That's not changing >> anytime soon, unless those the(y)TheThem succeed in shutting Usenet down. > > You really think I don't know that? I have posted to various usenet > newsgroups at least back to the late 80's. You have much to learn. > >> >>>> Speaking of contribution, have you read anything useful from Odd >>>> in his thread? 0. >>> >>> Odd started this thread with 5 comments. And I would score his >>> summary as 50 out of 50. >> >> What are you doing, Ed? Is Odd offering you a job at his toy factory? He he... > [] >> >> Again, Odd has offered zero substantive input since he initiated this thread. > > But he did initiate this thread with interesting and informative > material. >> >> Note Odd's title/confession: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics >> >> Conclusion? It's obvious Odd understands neither mathematics nor physics. > > Bzxzt wrong. He was just being polite and not calling out > anyone specifically. It's a trait this group could use more of. > > [] >>>> Sir BenjJi has a long history of having had demonstrated his very >>>> accomplished physics and mathematical skills. One post does not a >>>> respected writer make. Never read a post to suit your own biases. >>> >>> If he has such skills then he should use them properly. >>> What good does it serve to have understand in a field and >>> to only present contrary, condescending, or incorrect comments? >> >> IMO, BenjJi is often being sarcastic and is mocking his stalkers. > > true. But if he has "skills", he should contribute something useful. HVAC works hard to keep me out of any productive conversations. >> This here is a discussion NG about physics, else go study at HVAC's college. > > And the topic at hand is Mathematics in Physics. I tried to teach you, but you just dig in and stick with your ignorance. >>>>>> Math is just one kind of a unique language, >>>>>> Physics need not apply. End of story. >>>>> >>>>> You forgot the IMHO. >>>> >>>> If I meant IMHO, I would've written IMHO. So, I forgot nothing. HVAC sucks! >>> >>> Well I'll just say I disagree with you about math and physics. >> >> I am an ABD PhD in Mechanical Engineering, with a Physics minor. >> My math and physics knowledge has been well demonstrated, even graded. >> Last time I tried and failed, I just can't change my past experiences. > > I've come across a few PHD's that are like that, cannot produce > a useful result. >> >> What did you study, to what level, Ed? Why do I ask? Easy, I already >> know of BenjJi's teachers. Wouldn't it be nice/helpful if all interactors >> revealed their educational accomplishments? Yes, yes it would. Physics >> isn't like business successes. In Physics one needs an education, with >> its entrapments of history and all. Disagree with me all you Ed want. >> On a scale of 0 to 10... and all that. Their writings reveal much. Shhh... > > BS Physics , math and Secondary Education minors > MS Electrical Engineering > > I thought about doing a PHD, but decided to follow a useful > Engineering career instead. A math major and you still don't know math is total fantasy? What did you do? Sleep in class? Or did those engineering courses petrify your brain? .
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 09:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <58B704E7.7924@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #621005 |
if all physics books were written in mathmatics language.. nobody would know physics... not even einstein.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 09:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <58B70722.7F33@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #621068 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > if all physics books were > written in mathmatics language.. > nobody would know physics... > not even einstein. it wouldn't even be taught in schools.. (you couldn't find teachers) the minute you add mathematics to physics.. the students drop the class in droves. It is said that one of the best books in physics was written without math..Michael Faraday.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 18:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <58B77DE8.3EEE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #621069 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > if all physics books were > > written in mathmatics language.. > > nobody would know physics... > > not even einstein. > > it wouldn't even be taught in schools.. > (you couldn't find teachers) > > the minute you add mathematics to physics.. > the students drop the class in droves. > > It is said that one of the best books in > physics was written without math..Michael Faraday. of course mathematics is sort of a ...religion, maybe even a cult. When somebody tells you, 'you *should* learn mathematics to understand physics', that's a cult. A very dangerous cult. Mind control...
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 18:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <af4b1369-efac-4e3b-8355-d5a9f529a05c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #621134 |
it is only four subjects, but you don't have to study them in parallel or in series, or at all > When somebody tells you, 'you *should* learn mathematics to understand physics', that's a cult. A very dangerous cult. Mind control...
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-25 03:02 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. |
| Message-ID | <58b1384c$0$61735$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #620347 |
On 02/24/2017 05:26 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. > Science Fiction is fun and has made people _rich. > > So, please, don't be hard on them ( Ben Jacoby, TreBert et al. ); > society made them that way, via punishments and rewards. > > Rolf you are STILL an idiot. Science doesn't pay much? Bwahahahaha! Sorry, strategic writing (like HVAC) doesn't pay much, but science? You got it all wrong. Engineering and physics are among the top payers in professions. You think math and philosophy like Odd pays? Why do you think he makes wooden toys to sell? (like so many English majors) Aeronautical engineering pays the most but Physics, EE and even Computer science comes close after that. If you weren't an idiot living in your mom's basement and know no computer science, you could have gone online to learn: "Some of the highest paying careers in the world are found in engineering. Engineering is widely considered as one of the most lucrative and in demand career choices, with multiple engineering disciplines and job types, as well as salaries that can exceed $100k per year once the engineer has some experience behind them¹. Engineers tend to earn in excess of the national average salary and this is expected by some reputable organizations to continue in the future¹. In fact, Engineering degrees make up 10 of the top 17 highest paid degrees at the time of writing¹." Science degrees are similar (except for chemists because chemists stink) Of course in my case, were it not for high pay, how could I have spent most of my life "retired" as I call it. You work for a few years and build up a big bank balance and then live off the fat of the land until it runs out and then do it again. Won't work for you Rolf, or HVAC. That requires that you actually make more than McDonalds when you are working. Get it?
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-25 03:08 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Science Fact is hard work and it never pays much. |
| Message-ID | <618e60d9-d26d-4df7-96e5-b0b0e5d079e9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620404 |
BJ quacked Of course in my case, were it not for high pay, how could I have spent most of my life "retired" as I call it. You work for a few years and build up a big bank balance and then live off the fat of the land until it runs out and then do it again. -------------- Now the true story. BJ gets a job as junior lab assistant (paperclip division) and it all goes well for a while. But BJ just cannot keep his mouth shut for long. He starts talking about kook things and his kook brand of religion. This makes his co workers uncomfortable to the point where they complain to HR. After a series of verbal and written warnings, BJ gets fired. Now he's so old and his record is so blemished that he now works bagging groceries to supplement the pittance he gets for being on the government dole
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