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  Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 11:22 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-30 11:47 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 12:01 -0800
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-30 12:25 -0800
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-30 18:06 -0500
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Peter <Poakfield@msn.com> - 2017-01-05 07:55 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-31 07:54 +1100
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 21:03 +0000
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:13 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Peter <Poakfield@msn.com> - 2017-01-05 07:54 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:20 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-30 21:30 +0000
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 -0700
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:25 -0800
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:28 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible tomkratman@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 15:50 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "chwilozof" <nieznajome@att.com> - 2016-12-30 16:33 -0500
      just kidding noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 16:00 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 13:03 +1100
      How to travel in time Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-31 02:38 +0000
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:21 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 15:32 +1100
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 23:05 -0800
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 19:07 +1100
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 10:51 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:44 +1100
                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 17:26 -0800
                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 13:10 +1100
                      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:18 -0600
                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
                      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:03 +1100
                        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 21:07 -0800
                          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 16:25 +1100
                            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-02 10:19 -0800
                              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:54 +1100
                                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:18 -0800
                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-04 16:45 +1100
                                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:53 -0800
                                      _the tetrahedron & how to use it_, copyr.'958, Oklahoma u.presS noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 11:43 -0800
                                      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 11:38 -0800
                                        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 12:35 -0800
                                        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 11:18 +1100
                                          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:45 -0700
                                          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 17:50 -0800
                                            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 13:29 +1100
                                              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:13 -0800
                                                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-07 11:57 +1100
                                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 15:30 -0800
                                                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-07 17:20 -0800
                                                  no train,. no timetable noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:09 -0800
                                                    Re: no train,. no timetable Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:33 +1100
                                                      no watch, Miss traiN noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 15:18 -0800
                                                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:34 +1100
                                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:14 -0800
                                                    Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 17:12 -0500
                                                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100
                                            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800
                                              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
                                              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:18 -0700
                                                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:24 -0800
                                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
                                                Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 09:50 -0800
                                                  Re: Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
                                          Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-07 21:43 -0500
                                        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:44 -0700
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-31 07:23 +0000
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-31 12:56 -0500
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2017-01-01 15:47 +0000
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 09:52 -0600
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 16:52 +0000
                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:16 -0600
                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 21:19 +0000
                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:50 -0800
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Peter <Poakfield@msn.com> - 2017-01-05 07:52 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 11:21 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 19:15 -0500
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:14 +1100
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no> - 2017-01-02 23:02 +0000
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 23:05 +0000
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no> - 2017-01-02 23:17 +0000
                Winona Bellard, urine good-time girl whore Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no.deer> - 2017-01-02 23:21 +0000
                  Re: Winona Bellard, urine good-time girl whore Olinda Metcalfe <efacf@ecMlcn.org> - 2017-01-02 23:33 +0000
                Guilt without sex Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no.pipe> - 2017-01-02 23:22 +0000
                  Re: Guilt without sex benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 18:49 -0500
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:58 +1100
              time of arrow'd noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:01 -0800
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:03 -0500
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-09 21:20 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 16:53 +1100
                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 06:07 +0000
                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 19:18 +1100
                      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 13:47 +0000
                      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-11 23:21 -0800
                        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 15:11 +0000
                          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-12 08:55 -0800
                            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 22:09 +0000
                              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 10:39 -0800
                                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-13 22:37 +0000
                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 22:41 -0800
                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:00 -0800
                                    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 15:25 +0000
                                      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-14 10:16 -0800
                                        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 21:28 +0000
                                          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 14:59 -0800
                                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:44 -0800
                                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 18:42 -0800
                        wave at the clown noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:46 -0800
                  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:29 -0800
                    Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 14:04 -0500
                      Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 11:19 -0700
        Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 20:45 -0500
          travel taketh time ... usually noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 16:54 -0800
            Re: travel taketh time ... usually noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 14:18 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 14:19 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-05 14:28 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 14:23 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-05 14:26 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-05 18:13 -0500
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 13:08 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-06 13:30 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 15:27 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 15:25 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-05 16:05 -0800

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#612943

Ned Latham wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > >
> > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > different than space.
> > >
> > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > but in circles...
> > >
> > > You do that standing still.
> > >
> > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > Todays' today today;
> > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > >
> > > ...
> >
> > it's today now..
> 
> In your mind.
> 
> > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> 
> In your mind.
> 
> You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> of man. And the occasional wannbe.


I just looked again, it's still today...

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#612982

The Starmaker wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > >
> > > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > > different than space.
> > > >
> > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > but in circles...
> > > >
> > > > You do that standing still.
> > > >
> > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > >
> > > it's today now..
> > 
> > In your mind.
> > 
> > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > 
> > In your mind.
> > 
> > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> > of man. And the occasional wannbe.
>
> I just looked again, it's still today...

In your mind.

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#613044

Ned Latham wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > > > different than space.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > > but in circles...
> > > > >
> > > > > You do that standing still.
> > > > >
> > > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > it's today now..
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> > > of man. And the occasional wannbe.
> >
> > I just looked again, it's still today...
> 
> In your mind.

well, tommorow never seems to come...

everytime i look, it's today.

it's always....now.

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#613049

Ned Latham wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > > > different than space.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > > but in circles...
> > > > >
> > > > > You do that standing still.
> > > > >
> > > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > it's today now..
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> > > of man. And the occasional wannbe.
> >
> > I just looked again, it's still today...
> 
> In your mind.



No, I don't get it.


It's either in my mind, or...it is independent of the observer, which is
it????

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#613095

The Starmaker wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > > > > different than space.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > > > but in circles...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You do that standing still.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > it's today now..
> > > >
> > > > In your mind.
> > > >
> > > > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > > >
> > > > In your mind.
> > > >
> > > > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> > > > of man. And the occasional wannbe.
> > >
> > > I just looked again, it's still today...
> > 
> > In your mind.
>
> No, I don't get it.

That's because it's in your mind.

> It's either in my mind,

That's it: in your nind.

> or...it is independent of the observer,

Not possible. It's all in the mind.

> which is it????

In your mind.

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#613122

Ned Latham wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > > > > > different than space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > > > > but in circles...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You do that standing still.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it's today now..
> > > > >
> > > > > In your mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > > > >
> > > > > In your mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> > > > > of man. And the occasional wannbe.
> > > >
> > > > I just looked again, it's still today...
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> >
> > No, I don't get it.
> 
> That's because it's in your mind.
> 
> > It's either in my mind,
> 
> That's it: in your nind.
> 
> > or...it is independent of the observer,
> 
> Not possible. It's all in the mind.
> 
> > which is it????
> 
> In your mind.


So, what you are saying is that  Time is not physics, it's psychology, psychological, physlosphy.


Then, what is this Time twin paradox talk about...older and younger twins...that's phyics isn't it?

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#613146

The Starmaker wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the
> > > > > > > > > > idea of number travel.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel.
> > > > > > > > > > Any distance at all.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course not. Even the comedian One Stone had to
> > > > > > > > postulate time as different than space.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > > > > > but in circles...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You do that standing still.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > > > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > > > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it's today now..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In your mind.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In your mind.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in
> > > > > > the mind of man. And the occasional wannbe.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just looked again, it's still today...
> > > >
> > > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > No, I don't get it.
> > 
> > That's because it's in your mind.
> > 
> > > It's either in my mind,
> > 
> > That's it: in your nind.
> > 
> > > or...it is independent of the observer,
> > 
> > Not possible. It's all in the mind.
> > 
> > > which is it????
> > 
> > In your mind.
>
> So, what you are saying is that Time is not physics,

Yep.

> it's psychology, psychological, physlosphy.

No, no, and no (love that third one). Like number, it is a mental
tool we use for organizing our weltanshaung.

> Then, what is this Time twin paradox talk about...older and younger
> twins...that's phyics isn't it?

What paradox? Twins don't emerge from the birth canal simultaneously.

Ned

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#613159

yes, but twins make better astronautic units

> What paradox? Twins don't emerge from the birth canal simultaneously.
> 
> Ned

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#613053

Ned Latham wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > mlwozniak wrote:
> > > > > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Twaddle. Time is a noumenon. It has no substance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So is the distance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong. Distance is length, a dimension of space.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The idea of time travel is as absurd as the idea of number travel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing absurd about space travel. Any distance at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isn't space and time the same....space?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course not. Evewn the comedian One Stone had to postulate time as
> > > > > different than space.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> > > > > > then i'm traveling in space...
> > > > > > but in circles...
> > > > >
> > > > > You do that standing still.
> > > > >
> > > > > > that's why it's the same day every day...today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Todays' today today;
> > > > > Today's tomorrow yesterday;
> > > > > Today's yesterday tomorrow;
> > > > > Tomorrow's today tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > it's today now..
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > > come back tomorrow, it's still be today.
> > >
> > > In your mind.
> > >
> > > You just don't get it, do you? It's what I said: all in the mind
> > > of man. And the occasional wannbe.
> >
> > I just looked again, it's still today...
> 
> In your mind.


My clock tells me the time it is now...i don't have a....tomorrow clock.

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#613022

yes, it's today at 11:59:59,
and it is today at 00:00:01, mod twenty-four in at least base_five

> I just looked again, it's still today...

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#612730 — wave at the clown

Minkowski had a rather large amount of work
on n-dimensionality, such as Pick's theorem, but
folks only know his b.s about timennspacenn and then,
he died at 43.

that is just a simple phase-space, as treated via quaternions
(a.k.a vectors).

> Isn't space and time the same....space? 
> 
> 
> If the earth is traveling around in circles..
> then i'm traveling in space...
> but in circles...
> 
> that's why it's the same day every day...today.

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#612376

Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 10/01/2017 8:20 AM, Sharilyn Vore wrote:
> > Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> >>>> It's the outcome if a time traveller causes a branch in the past, but
> >>>> returns to his original time line when he goes back to the future.
> >>>
> >>> Cant go back to a future. Absurd contradiction.
> >>>
> >> Are you under the impression that arguing about semantics (or even just
> >> the meaning of words) contributes anything to our knowledge in this
> >> area?
> >
> > That's not semantics, lady. Read again. The thing is absurd, end of story.
> >
> 
> You're not advancing your position very much. What exactly is it that
> you think is absurd, and why?
> 
> Sylvia.


Ever heard the expression...never look back?



It's very simple, traveling back in time is not possible because Nature does not allow it.


It doesn't even encourage you to look back...

and if you try..bad things happen.

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#612389

...

>It's very simple, traveling back in time is not possible because Nature does not allow it.

Starmaker:

You seem to have some sort of "a priori" objection to the possibility
of time travel backward (and forward?).

You say nature does not allow it, but we don't know the entirety of
what nature does and does not allow currently not to mention what it
might allow in the future. Some of nature (e.g. the future) has yet to
exist. You could say that the whole point of having science/physics is
to discover some inviolable "rules" that do not change in time. I
agree with that goal, but we don't know that we have discovered all of
those "rules" and/or that we have specified them precisely (i.e got
them all correct).

Let me put it this way. Suppose I am designing a "nature/universe" or
watching it be designed. Time travel adds options so I would include
it if I could. Being able to travel in time does not mean anyone or
anything must travel in time so the consistency of the
universe/timeline could be safeguarded by putting restrictions on time
travel (backward) without completely eliminating it. I've spent
considerable time trying to determine what those restrictions might be
in order to maintain a consistent timeline/universe.

>It doesn't even encourage you to look back...
>
>and if you try..bad things happen.

Is one of the "bad things" that happen when you look back, learning
and refining knowledge obtained in the past? Would you rather not be
able to "look back" (i.e. have memories) that help you avoid repeating
past mistakes so that you can have only "good things happening"
constantly. How do you measure the "goodness" of these present things
if you have no memory of "bad things" to compare them too (lol).

Mike
See you at the show trials - lol.
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Michael J. Strickland			Reston, VA
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#612390

You are arguing with a retard who likely can't tie his own shows.

You're feeding the troll.

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#611258

On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 16:56:01 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Michael J. Strickland wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:19:46 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >lets say
>> >you travel back in time
>> >in a time machine and your
>> >time machine lands on your
>> >grandfather and kills him...
>> >
>> >
>> >Time Travel Is Not Possible.
>> 
>> And...?
>> 
>> I don't claim (or know) if "time travel" back in time is possible, I'm
>> just pointing out that your evidence/argument does not preclude it.
>> 
>> Your old "grandfather/father/? paradox" is easily disposed of but
>> there are some other difficulties which have to be overcome if you
>> travel to the past and then return to the present.
>> 
>> In your example, if your grandfather is alive in the present before
>> you leave for the past, the grandfather you fall on in the past dies
>> but that doesn't affect the grandfather you have when you return to
>> the present. He is a separate entity. He is just as you left him
>> (alive). Obviously he could have coincidentally died while you were
>> "neglecting/relieving" him by traveling in time (lol) but it would
>> have nothing to do with anything you did in the past to his earlier
>> entity.
>
>THAT IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I EVER HEARD! 
>
>
>I guess it gets more ridiculous if i continue reading..(if you follow
>the second law)

Second Law of Thermodynamics (Google/Wikipedia):

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an
isolated system always increases over time, or remains constant in
ideal cases where the system is in a steady state or undergoing a
reversible process.


Entropy decreases with time regularly in closed systems (non-infinite
regions enclosing a time machine and its "range" of operation). The
only price is some energy (provided by maybe a ... time machine?).

Maybe we would call it a "Negative Entropy Machine" for the
imagination deficient such as you Mr. "RIDICULOUS" (lol).

My theory avoids those worrisome and terrifying possibilities of
someone going into the past and destroying something you cherish (like
your glorious record of total bullshit, regurgitated half-truths, and
invalid assumptions censored by whatever brand of self-brainwashing
you have willingly inflicted on yourself - lol.


----------------------------------------------------------------
My canned last word post:

This is my last post/reply on this subject so if you want the last
word, read no further. 

Please don't construe this as a sign of surrender or defeat. Let's
just consider it a temporary truce and we can resume the "debate"
later on another thread/topic.

Feel free to add any number of additional posts below. This is just a
notice that I will not read them. I'm sure any wider audience that may
be interested will be highly entertained as you "vanquish" me in my
absence (lol).

See you at the show trials - lol.
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Michael J. Strickland			Reston, VA
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#611597 — travel taketh time ... usually

Minkowski had all kinds of n-dimensional numbertheory, as well
as other stuff that was even applied to physics e.g,
as far as I can tell, but
time is in no way spatial, exept in a three-dimensional graphical app

> See you at the show trials - lol.
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Michael J. Strickland			Reston, VA
> ---------------------------------------------------

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#612017 — Re: travel taketh time ... usually

three Minkowski's appear in a bar

> time is in no way spatial, exept in a three-dimensional graphical

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#611812

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 11:19:58 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> lets say
> you travel back in time
> in a time machine and your
> time machine lands on your
> grandfather and kills him...
> 
> 
> Time Travel Is Not Possible.
> 
> 
> 
> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would be...absurd answers.
> 
> 
> 
> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in unproven paralell universes
> where your father and grandfather still exist...
> 
> 
> 
> i don't want to hear it!

Time flows from NOW to the FUTURE.That is reality. We are in a way always seeing time in the past. One look at Adromida tell this is true. Well its the best Humankind can do.ESP is in a way looking to the future and yet its part of out id.All bugs use ESP and best they do its part of their surviving. Cockroaches come to mind.Hard to kill.find and I know way. Big Moe was my pet as you know.He taught me a LOT. tREbERT

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#611816

"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> lied
NOW and in the FUTURE.That is reality.<snipped>

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#611814

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 11:19:58 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> lets say
> you travel back in time
> in a time machine and your
> time machine lands on your
> grandfather and kills him...
> 
> 
> Time Travel Is Not Possible.
> 
> 
> 
> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would be...absurd answers.
> 
> 
> 
> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in unproven paralell universes
> where your father and grandfather still exist...
> 
> 
> 
> i don't want to hear it!

iN TIME I got from Boston to La.Time distance is relative to speed and distance.Some here even think its time for me to go WOW Here is reality "My Time is Your time. Trebert

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