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  Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-11-25 09:44 -0500
    Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-11-25 07:10 -0800
      Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-11-25 08:52 -0800
        Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-11-25 11:18 -0800
    Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-11-25 14:05 -0500
      Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 12:37 -0800
        Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-12-06 00:05 -0800
          Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-06 11:36 -0800
          Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-08 11:21 -0800
    Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-11-25 11:34 -0800
      Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-11-26 11:37 -0800
        Re: Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-05 19:00 -0800

#606427 — Question about a physics quote on visual vs. analytical reasoning.

I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using 
imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some 
physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason 
analytically, i.e., via equations.

But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague 
recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was 
said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.

  Anyone remember the quote?


  Bob Clark

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#606430

"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
 > I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using
> imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some 
> physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason 
> analytically, i.e., via equations.
>
> But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague 
> recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was 
> said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
>
>  Anyone remember the quote?
>
>
>  Bob Clark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 
> 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital 
> launchers, to 'flying cars'.
> This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:
>
> Nanotech: from air to space.
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
hanson wrote:
"the benefits of reasoning using imagery" is weel documented
google/bing 3.3 million hits --[Lies Fraud Academia]-- as in
>
<http://www.onlinecolleges.net/2011/12/05/10-academic-frauds-fooled>
>
or as exampled in the book by  Michael Brooks in
>
<http://tinyurl.com/Michael-Brooks-Free-Radicals> :
>
wherein Brooks wrote:
>
"1/3 (33+%) of all scientists are on drugs and loaded
while on the job and that 2/3rds (66+%) of all scientists
volunteered & admitted that they cheat & commit
fraud in/for & during their investigations."
>
Great scientist-role models, like Francis Crick, Nobel
laureate for the DNA, admitted to have been high on
LSD when he conjured up (visualized) the Double Helix...
>
Same goes for other well known lodos & druggies such
as LSD-guru Timothy Leary and the classic one, the
Cocaine Freak Sigmund Freud... All were fucked up in
their heads, incl.  most of today's "Climate Scientists"
with their Anthropic Globally Warmed fanaticism, and
earlier Einstein visualizing his Gedanken experiments.

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#606433

hunsent 
"Same goes for other well known lodos & druggies such 
as LSD-guru Timothy Leary and the classic one, the 
Cocaine Freak Sigmund Freud... All were fucked up in 
their heads, incl.  most of today's "Climate Scientists" 
with their Anthropic Globally Warmed fanaticism, and 
earlier Einstein visualizing his Gedanken experiments. 
"
You got it backwards.
Your heads governor blinds you to reality

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#606439

"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
 > I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using
> imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some
> physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason
> analytically, i.e., via equations.
>
> But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague
> recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was
> said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
>
>  Anyone remember the quote?
>
>
>  Bob Clark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize
> 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital
> launchers, to 'flying cars'.
> This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it:
>
> Nanotech: from air to space.
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
hanson wrote:
"the benefits of reasoning using imagery" is weel documented
google/bing 3.3 million hits --[Lies Fraud Academia]-- as in
>
<http://www.onlinecolleges.net/2011/12/05/10-academic-frauds-fooled>
>
or as exampled in the book by  Michael Brooks in
>
<http://tinyurl.com/Michael-Brooks-Free-Radicals> :
>
wherein Brooks wrote:
>
"1/3 (33+%) of all scientists are on drugs and loaded
while on the job and that 2/3rds (66+%) of all scientists
volunteered & admitted that they cheat & commit
fraud in/for & during their investigations."
>
Great scientist-role models, like Francis Crick, Nobel
laureate for the DNA, admitted to have been high on
LSD when he conjured up (visualized) the Double Helix...
>
Same goes for other well known lodos & druggies such
as LSD-guru Timothy Leary and the classic one, the
Cocaine Freak Sigmund Freud... All were fucked up in
their heads, incl.  most of today's "Climate Scientists"
with their Anthropic Globally Warmed fanaticism, and
earlier Einstein visualizing his Gedanken experiments
> "
-------------
>and Dilettante Sefton john" <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
whose parents looked at their then new son, and named him
"john" because they knew that one day their "john" will become
the "john" of the criminal Grave yard Vandal, Face shitter & the
<http://tinyurl.com/Recalcitrant-Swine-Glazier> under whose
Sphincter john layed himself and enjoyed eating Glazier's turds:
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>, just
like Maldrecki "Anon Y Mouse" &  8 other Glazier-shit-eaters
of <http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-the-Lying-Swine> do, who does
it "ass backwards as john's head governor is blind to reality.

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#606437

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:44:14 -0500, Robert Clark wrote:

>I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using 
>imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some 
>physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason 
>analytically, i.e., via equations.
>
>But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague 
>recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was 
>said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
>
>  Anyone remember the quote?
>
>
>  Bob Clark

Not necessarily limited to visual imagery, but a similar thought:

http://www.cleanlanguage.co.uk/Quotes.html
Robert Stetson Shaw, quoted in James Gleick, Chaos: Making a New
Science, Viking, New York, 1987. p. 262:

" 'You don't see something until you have the right metaphor to let
you perceive it' [Robert Stetson] Shaw said, echoing Thomas S Kuhn."

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#606561

On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 2:05:03 PM UTC-5, Wally W. wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:44:14 -0500, Robert Clark wrote:
> 
> >I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using 
> >imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some 
> >physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason 
> >analytically, i.e., via equations.

Ironically, you Robert should be looking for an image rather than a
quote to highlight the benefits of visual reasoning. I'm just saying...
Shall I draw a picture? Ok... A point, a line, a circle. Any questions?

> >But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague 
> >recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was 
> >said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
> >
> >  Anyone remember the quote?

I searched a bunch of Dirac quotes, he sure did like contrasting
physics against poetry. Dirac makes Planck appear to be an amateur at that.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Dirac+quotes Fwiw, neither Dirac
nor Planck are going to make further quotes regards poetr(y). Are they?

> >  Bob Clark
> 
> Not necessarily limited to visual imagery, but a similar thought:
> 
> http://www.cleanlanguage.co.uk/Quotes.html
> Robert Stetson Shaw, quoted in James Gleick, Chaos: Making a New
> Science, Viking, New York, 1987. p. 262:
> 
> " 'You don't see something until you have the right metaphor to let
> you perceive it' [Robert Stetson] Shaw said, echoing Thomas S Kuhn."

O darn... now I'm going to have to define/learn what a metaphor is. 
See what you've done WallyJi! Egad, more homework. Thanks a lot!

On the light side of seeing things, as opposed to the internet of
things, is it possible for blind people to become mathematicians?
Play tennis/golf? Appreciate Salvador Dali paintings?

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Poet Pla(y)ing Tennis! Grasshopper Mode...”

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#608012

On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 10:37:49 PM UTC+2, Mahipal wrote:
> On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 2:05:03 PM UTC-5, Wally W. wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:44:14 -0500, Robert Clark wrote:
> > 
> > >I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using 
> > >imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some 
> > >physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason 
> > >analytically, i.e., via equations.
> 
> Ironically, you Robert should be looking for an image rather than a
> quote to highlight the benefits of visual reasoning. I'm just saying...
> Shall I draw a picture? Ok... A point, a line, a circle. Any questions?
> 
> > >But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague 
> > >recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was 
> > >said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
> > >
> > >  Anyone remember the quote?
> 
> I searched a bunch of Dirac quotes, he sure did like contrasting
> physics against poetry. Dirac makes Planck appear to be an amateur at that.
> 
> https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Dirac+quotes Fwiw, neither Dirac
> nor Planck are going to make further quotes regards poetr(y). Are they?
> 
> > >  Bob Clark
> > 
> > Not necessarily limited to visual imagery, but a similar thought:
> > 
> > http://www.cleanlanguage.co.uk/Quotes.html
> > Robert Stetson Shaw, quoted in James Gleick, Chaos: Making a New
> > Science, Viking, New York, 1987. p. 262:
> > 
> > " 'You don't see something until you have the right metaphor to let
> > you perceive it' [Robert Stetson] Shaw said, echoing Thomas S Kuhn."
> 
> O darn... now I'm going to have to define/learn what a metaphor is. 
> See what you've done WallyJi! Egad, more homework. Thanks a lot!
> 
> On the light side of seeing things, as opposed to the internet of
> things, is it possible for blind people to become mathematicians?
> Play tennis/golf? Appreciate Salvador Dali paintings?
> 
> -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Poet Pla(y)ing Tennis! Grasshopper Mode...”
===========================
one picture is worth more than a thousand words
========================
see
Google
'The Y Porat Model - an abstract '
==

TIA
Y.Porat
=========================================

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#608059

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 3:05:23 AM UTC-5, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 10:37:49 PM UTC+2, Mahipal wrote:
> > On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 2:05:03 PM UTC-5, Wally W. wrote:
> > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:44:14 -0500, Robert Clark wrote:
> > > 
> > > >I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using 
> > > >imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some 
> > > >physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason 
> > > >analytically, i.e., via equations.
> > 
> > Ironically, you Robert should be looking for an image rather than a
> > quote to highlight the benefits of visual reasoning. I'm just saying...
> > Shall I draw a picture? Ok... A point, a line, a circle. Any questions?
> > 
> > > >But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague 
> > > >recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was 
> > > >said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
> > > >
> > > >  Anyone remember the quote?
> > 
> > I searched a bunch of Dirac quotes, he sure did like contrasting
> > physics against poetry. Dirac makes Planck appear to be an amateur at that.
> > 
> > https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Dirac+quotes Fwiw, neither Dirac
> > nor Planck are going to make further quotes regards poetr(y). Are they?
> > 
> > > >  Bob Clark
> > > 
> > > Not necessarily limited to visual imagery, but a similar thought:
> > > 
> > > http://www.cleanlanguage.co.uk/Quotes.html
> > > Robert Stetson Shaw, quoted in James Gleick, Chaos: Making a New
> > > Science, Viking, New York, 1987. p. 262:
> > > 
> > > " 'You don't see something until you have the right metaphor to let
> > > you perceive it' [Robert Stetson] Shaw said, echoing Thomas S Kuhn."
> > 
> > O darn... now I'm going to have to define/learn what a metaphor is. 
> > See what you've done WallyJi! Egad, more homework. Thanks a lot!
> > 
> > On the light side of seeing things, as opposed to the internet of
> > things, is it possible for blind people to become mathematicians?
> > Play tennis/golf? Appreciate Salvador Dali paintings?
> > 
> > -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Poet Pla(y)ing Tennis! Grasshopper Mode...”
> ===========================
> one picture is worth more than a thousand words
> ========================

Good Day Yeheil Porat...

Due to Inflation -- Cosmic, Economic, or otherwise -- the worth of one
picture is now more than 7638==७६३८ words. What will it be tomorrow?

Is it not curious/ironic you used just 9 words to praise pictures?
Ironically you did not provide a picture to communicate said adage.

While there is a case to be made for that conclusion, I won't be the one
to make it. Given Poetry/Lyrics/Music/... are a words based art form.

Warning: If it ain't writ, then it neither never happened nor matters.
Exception: Then why are you video recording, in HD no less, this meeting?!

As of late, a USA policeman shooting a running away man, five times in the
back, dead... make of the moving pictures what you want to see, I guess.

Still... a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest -- Paul Simon.

Fontographer Don Knuth, of TeX/LaTeX fame, would make the point that
each word's letters, for any written languages, are themselves visual
pictures/characters. TeX paints/draws characters down to a resolution
of ångströms! Just amazing precision. As it turns out, font design is a
very competitive cut-throat kind of a business/endeavor. Go figure.

Fwiw, I do not have the figures for the resolution for Braille writings.
Point? Never show-off your paintings/sketches to blind people. Never.

> see
> Google
> 'The Y Porat Model - an abstract '
> ==
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> =========================================

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
From http://tug.org/whatis.html I cut and paste its first 4 lines: 
TeX (= tau epsilon chi, and pronounced similar to "blecch", not to the 
state known for `Tex-Mex' chili) is a computer language designed for 
use in typesetting; in particular, for typesetting math and other technical 
(from Greek "techne" = art/craft, the stem of `technology') material. 

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#608301

strictly do I never g00gol a)
any thing, nor b)
every thing, and so that means that
I simply need a shred of thought to your typing, or
yell-to-text -- hey, computer!

> than a thousand words
> ========================
> see
> Google
> 'The Y Porat Model - an abstract '
> ==
> 
> TIA
> Y.Porat
> =========================================

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#606443

Robert Clark wrote:
> 
> I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using
> imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some
> physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason
> analytically, i.e., via equations.
> 
> But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague
> recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was
> said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
> 
>   Anyone remember the quote?
> 
>   Bob Clark


Stephen Hawking.


He cannot do anything else but reasoning visually...

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#606548

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Robert Clark wrote:
> >
> > I'm writing an article about the benefits of reasoning visually, using
> > imagery. I wanted to cite a quote by a well known physicist about how some
> > physicists reason visually, i.e., in pictures and others reason
> > analytically, i.e., via equations.
> >
> > But I can't quite remember who said it or the exact quote. I have a vague
> > recollection that Dirac was either the person who made the quote or it was
> > said about him, but I'm not sure about that either.
> >
> >   Anyone remember the quote?
> >
> >   Bob Clark
> 
> Stephen Hawking.
> 
> He cannot do anything else but reasoning visually...


i mean, before there was math or physics...it was all...visual.

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#608000

there is no true dystinction between mathematical physics and
physical mathematics;
*mathematica is minimally four subjecta,
one of which is not arithmetic,
since Boole polished the binary thihg

> i mean, before there was math or physics...it was all...visual.

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