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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-09-30 15:42 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-10-05 13:25 -0500 |
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1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 15:42 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-30 19:50 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 20:43 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 21:16 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 21:22 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-09-30 22:47 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-10-01 13:48 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-10-01 15:27 +0100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 09:53 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> - 2016-10-01 21:53 +0100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:06 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 13:31 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-01 15:03 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-02 14:54 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-02 00:18 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:31 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 09:57 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 08:11 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:03 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:47 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:10 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 21:15 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 16:21 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 22:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 17:28 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 22:51 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:26 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 05:32 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 13:59 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:20 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:11 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 10:27 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:26 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:16 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 22:28 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-02 02:18 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:47 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:17 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 19:44 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:50 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:29 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:15 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 10:47 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 14:40 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:24 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:43 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-02 23:17 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:48 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-03 11:57 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 10:37 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:17 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 22:30 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 20:17 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-02 20:48 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 21:10 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 05:14 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-03 14:45 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 00:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 12:32 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 18:41 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-04 14:59 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 19:44 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-04 16:04 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2016-10-04 21:45 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 22:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 16:13 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 00:06 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 19:39 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:06 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-04 23:07 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:24 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-05 21:28 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-05 19:55 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 04:29 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 08:01 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:29 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 04:19 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-06 18:02 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:30 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2016-10-08 00:38 +1100
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 21:51 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2016-10-07 00:33 +0200
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:28 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-06 12:00 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:46 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:05 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 20:29 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:40 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 20:58 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 19:24 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 04:54 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 22:11 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-06 23:10 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:15 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-07 10:12 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:15 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 14:29 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-10-08 01:32 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 21:55 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:43 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 22:55 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 16:23 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 01:47 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:25 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 05:34 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 17:31 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:14 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 18:48 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:53 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 12:04 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:15 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 14:37 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 13:14 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 17:30 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:45 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 22:22 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:25 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-08 13:43 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-07 22:01 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-10-06 20:42 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-06 06:53 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-10-06 07:58 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 08:08 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 18:38 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 15:56 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 00:14 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-04 19:39 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-05 05:25 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 11:00 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 17:20 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 22:07 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 13:45 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-06 21:13 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-06 21:22 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-07 04:59 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-07 12:17 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-04 00:26 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 17:35 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 21:12 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-02 22:32 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-03 05:15 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 17:23 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-08 12:20 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 05:30 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:35 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:17 +0300
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:12 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-02 01:17 +0300
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 19:08 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 00:11 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:50 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:26 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:47 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 00:09 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-02 22:06 +0300
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:54 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 23:40 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 08:29 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 20:46 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 21:27 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 16:56 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-01 18:07 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 19:24 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 11:38 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 11:53 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-01 15:20 -0500
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 12:00 -0700
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-10-02 09:02 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 11:26 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-02 16:56 +0000
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-10-02 19:53 -0400
Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-03 08:30 -0500
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 15:42 -0700 |
| Subject | 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says |
| Message-ID | <57EEEA3E.5698@ix.netcom.com> |
1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-die.html Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 19:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #598993 |
On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says
> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-die.html
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> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars???
>
no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-expose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-claims.html
Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation while
travelling to the red planet, study claims
A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions to
Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation
Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase
This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in space
It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease in future
This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space for 320 days
And for females this is reduced to just 240 days
These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly for women
Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and more
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 20:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA693DCFC373Dmelchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #599004 |
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: > On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-die >> .html >> >> >> >> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >> > > no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-exp > ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-clai > ms.html > > > Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation > while travelling to the red planet, study claims > > A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions to > Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation > Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase > This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in > space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease in > future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space for > 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days > These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly for > women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and > more British 'journalism' at its best. Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and may drop to 30 as time went by. Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the obvious ones can be dealt with. pt
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| From | Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 21:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #599010 |
On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: > >> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-die >>> .html >>> >>> >>> >>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>> >> >> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars. >> >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-exp >> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-clai >> ms.html >> >> >> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >> >> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions to >> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase >> This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in >> space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease in >> future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space for >> 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days >> These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly for >> women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and >> more > > British 'journalism' at its best. > > Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and > may drop to 30 as time went by. > > Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. > > There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the > obvious ones can be dealt with. > > pt A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, right ? Or a Squeezer (only take a week !). Lynn
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 21:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA693E3A23A52Emelchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #599011 |
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: > On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: >> >>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d >>>> ie .html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>> >>> >>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars. >>> >>> >>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e >>> xp >>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl >>> ai ms.html >>> >>> >>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>> >>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions >>> to >>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase >>> This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in >>> space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease >>> in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space >>> for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days >>> These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly >>> for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, >>> cancer and more >> >> British 'journalism' at its best. >> >> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >> may drop to 30 as time went by. >> >> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >> >> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >> obvious ones can be dealt with. >> >> pt > > A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, > right ? Wrong. http://www.spacex.com/mars pt
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 22:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #599013 |
On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in > news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: > >> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: >>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared-d >>>>> ie .html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>>> >>>> >>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of Mars. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission-e >>>> xp >>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study-cl >>>> ai ms.html >>>> >>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>>> >>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests missions >>>> to >>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays increase >>>> This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can safely stay in >>>> space It is predicted solar activity will continue to decrease >>>> in future This will mean male astronauts can only stay in space >>>> for 320 days And for females this is reduced to just 240 days >>>> These would be too short for a mission to Mars, particularly >>>> for women Both would be susceptible to radiation sickness, >>>> cancer and more >>> British 'journalism' at its best. >>> >>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >>> may drop to 30 as time went by. >>> >>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >>> >>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >>> obvious ones can be dealt with. >>> pt >> >> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, >> right ? > > Wrong. > > http://www.spacex.com/mars > > pt > that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to wash clothes in space.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <09PHz.1523$fI2.944@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #599017 |
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: >On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> http://www.spacex.com/mars >> >> pt >> > >that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is a >marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for his >other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. > >It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >wash clothes in space. Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft?
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| From | "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <HdydnS0hSuBTWnLKnZ2dnUU78THNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #599034 |
Scott Lurndal wrote: > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: >> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > >>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>> >>> pt >>> >> >> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it >> is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay >> for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >> >> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >> wash clothes in space. > > Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft? But sending astronauts into space nekkid would cause serious ructions among fundies and congresscritters! What if they had sex in free fall? The Republic would fall. Or if they just looked at each other with lust? I'm assuming a healthy heterosexual crew, but no reason that gay astronauts could not go along too. Though if you are trying to establish a colony I assume you would want reproducers. Even if it was all privately funded someone would pass a law against it if they were going to be nude during the flight. I suppose they would need to get dressed for TV broadcasts back to Earth. -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 09:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsoilm$1639$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #599038 |
On 10/1/2016 9:27 AM, Mike Dworetsky wrote: > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: >>> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> >>>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>>> >>>> pt >>>> >>> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it >>> is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay >>> for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >>> >>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >>> wash clothes in space. >> Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft? > > But sending astronauts into space nekkid would cause serious ructions > among fundies and congresscritters! What if they had sex in free fall? > The Republic would fall. Or if they just looked at each other with > lust? I'm assuming a healthy heterosexual crew, but no reason that gay > astronauts could not go along too. Though if you are trying to > establish a colony I assume you would want reproducers. > Even if it was all privately funded someone would pass a law against it > if they were going to be nude during the flight. I suppose they would > need to get dressed for TV broadcasts back to Earth. > problem is they sweat, that that goes off them and condences on the equipment forming a biofilm. The biofilm creates a slime that coveres the inside of the space craft, and it becomes very difficult to remove. Clothes intercept that sweat. So they cant go naked for long periods.
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| From | "Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 21:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oO2dnR8hiNDcv23KnZ2dnUU78QfNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #599041 |
Serigo wrote: > On 10/1/2016 9:27 AM, Mike Dworetsky wrote: >> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: >>>> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> >>>>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>>>> >>>>> pt >>>>> > >>>> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it >>>> is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and >>>> pay for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >>>> >>>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how >>>> to wash clothes in space. > >>> Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft? >> >> But sending astronauts into space nekkid would cause serious ructions >> among fundies and congresscritters! What if they had sex in free >> fall? The Republic would fall. Or if they just looked at each other >> with lust? I'm assuming a healthy heterosexual crew, but no reason >> that gay astronauts could not go along too. Though if you are >> trying to establish a colony I assume you would want reproducers. > >> Even if it was all privately funded someone would pass a law against >> it if they were going to be nude during the flight. I suppose they >> would need to get dressed for TV broadcasts back to Earth. >> > > problem is they sweat, that that goes off them and condences on the > equipment forming a biofilm. The biofilm creates a slime that coveres > the inside of the space craft, and it becomes very difficult to > remove. > Clothes intercept that sweat. > > So they cant go naked for long periods. And come to think about it, isn't dust mostly composed of flakes of human skin? What will that do to the delicate electronics and plumbing? -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 16:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsp8h1$8fa$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #599075 |
On 10/1/2016 3:53 PM, Mike Dworetsky wrote: > Serigo wrote: >> On 10/1/2016 9:27 AM, Mike Dworetsky wrote: >>> Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: >>>>> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>> >>>>>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>>>>> >>>>>> pt >>>>>> >>>>> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it >>>>> is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and >>>>> pay for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >>>>> >>>>> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how >>>>> to wash clothes in space. >>>> Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft? >>> >>> But sending astronauts into space nekkid would cause serious ructions >>> among fundies and congresscritters! What if they had sex in free >>> fall? The Republic would fall. Or if they just looked at each other >>> with lust? I'm assuming a healthy heterosexual crew, but no reason >>> that gay astronauts could not go along too. Though if you are >>> trying to establish a colony I assume you would want reproducers. >>> Even if it was all privately funded someone would pass a law against >>> it if they were going to be nude during the flight. I suppose they >>> would need to get dressed for TV broadcasts back to Earth. >>> >> problem is they sweat, that that goes off them and condences on the >> equipment forming a biofilm. The biofilm creates a slime that coveres >> the inside of the space craft, and it becomes very difficult to >> remove. >> Clothes intercept that sweat. >> >> So they cant go naked for long periods. > > And come to think about it, isn't dust mostly composed of flakes of > human skin? What will that do to the delicate electronics and plumbing? > http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-06/so-you-wanna-go-space-can-you-put-superpower-bacteria "Before we start sending astronauts to Mars or embarking on other long-term spaceflight missions, we need to be as certain as possible that we have eliminated or significantly reduced the risk that biofilms pose to the human crew and their equipment," stated Collins, an assistant professor in the department of chemical and biological engineering. While this research has more immediate implications for astronaut health, the researchers added that better understanding the biofilms could lead to better treatment and prevention for Earth diseases. "Examining the effects of spaceflight on biofilm formation can provide new insights into how different factors, such as gravity, fluid dynamics, and nutrient availability affect biofilm formation on Earth. Additionally, the research findings could one day help inform new, innovative approaches for curbing the spread of infections in hospitals," a NASA press release stated.
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 13:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7cfd0f4d-6609-4fc0-bc08-68ebc04c3bd3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #599038 |
On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 7:27:30 AM UTC-7, Mike Dworetsky wrote: > Scott Lurndal wrote: > > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: > >> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > > > >>> http://www.spacex.com/mars > >>> > >>> pt > >>> > >> > >> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it > >> is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay > >> for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. > >> > >> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to > >> wash clothes in space. > > > > Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft? > > But sending astronauts into space nekkid would cause serious ructions among > fundies and congresscritters! What if they had sex in free fall? The > Republic would fall. Or if they just looked at each other with lust? I'm > assuming a healthy heterosexual crew, but no reason that gay astronauts > could not go along too. Though if you are trying to establish a colony I > assume you would want reproducers. > > Even if it was all privately funded someone would pass a law against it if > they were going to be nude during the flight. I suppose they would need to > get dressed for TV broadcasts back to Earth. > > -- > Mike Dworetsky > > (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) Landing on Mars not worth the trip.Orbiting Mars and landing on its moons is the way worth going.Man saterlites can make it around trip even if you have to slingshort Jupiter to add stuff to the voyage. China will be first they have $$$$$$ and no GOP Mafia. TreBert
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nspc29$bd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #599067 |
"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> who is the <http://tinyurl.com/Recalcitrant-Swine-Glazier> wrote: <snip Glazierola and wrong predications> about which > Moderator General "HVAC" <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> "Harlow Campbell" succinctly added & wrote: > "Bert, your opinion doesn't count" "a trained cockroach is smarter than Bert" "Bert, you are a clueless cocksucker".... "Bert you are senile, dazed & confused" "Bert, you are Fucked in the head. > "Bert is a racist. (And he's stupid too)" "TreBert, you are one stupid cocksucker". "Bert, Seriously. You are the stupidest cocksucking moron who ever came down the Mass Pike." "Bert, does your stupidity know no bounds?" > "Bert, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human fucking being". "Bert you are an idiot." "Bert, are the stupidest cocksucker on the planet." "Spin THIS, Glazier, you fucking idiot." "Bert get some spelling lessons, you feeble-minded fuck". > "Bert, you should be arrested" "Bert, I will call the police and tell them that your van seems to be a center for drug activity in the Wal-Mart parking lot"...
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 14:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2de601bc-da49-42af-aa8b-5073b2f33575@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #599067 |
On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 1:31:54 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote: > On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 7:27:30 AM UTC-7, Mike Dworetsky wrote: > > Scott Lurndal wrote: > > > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes: > > >> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > > > > > >>> http://www.spacex.com/mars > > >>> > > >>> pt > > >>> > > >> > > >> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it > > >> is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay > > >> for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. > > >> > > >> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to > > >> wash clothes in space. > > > > > > Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft? > > > > But sending astronauts into space nekkid would cause serious ructions among > > fundies and congresscritters! What if they had sex in free fall? The > > Republic would fall. Or if they just looked at each other with lust? I'm > > assuming a healthy heterosexual crew, but no reason that gay astronauts > > could not go along too. Though if you are trying to establish a colony I > > assume you would want reproducers. > > > > Even if it was all privately funded someone would pass a law against it if > > they were going to be nude during the flight. I suppose they would need to > > get dressed for TV broadcasts back to Earth. > > > > -- > > Mike Dworetsky > > > > (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) > > Landing on Mars not worth the trip.Orbiting Mars and landing on its moons is the way worth going.Man saterlites can make it around trip even if you have to slingshort Jupiter to add stuff to the voyage. China will be first they have $$$$$$ and no GOP Mafia. TreBert Mars is hardly worth dying for! When you get there you can't even breath the air! It would be something like living on 22nd century Earth! Double-A
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-10-02 00:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1951415.iZASKD2KPV@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #599034 |
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> writes:
>> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>> http://www.spacex.com/mars
>> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it,
I think it did. The talk did not cover all aspects of an interplanetary
civilization, just the transportation to and the basic requirements for a
self-sustaining colony on Mars; look how long it took to talk about that in
great detail alone. But I bet SpaceX is working on the other aspects, too.
>> it is a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay
>> for his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity.
Nonsense. FUD.
>> It does not address RADIATION at all,
Musk addresses the radiation issue in the Q&A section after the talk.
Basically he says that it is not a problem with a little shielding.
>> nor food, nor water,
That is not SpaceX’s main department, but that of other players.
NASA is already working on self-sustaining environments. For example, the
air conditioning and sanitation systems on the ISS is amazing, there are
chemical toilets on the planet already (the “Burning Man” guy asking about
the prospect of “shitty Mars” in the Q&A section obviously did not know
that), and they are successfully growing “space salad” on the ISS:
<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11795131/Astronauts-declare-first-space-salad-awesome.html>
>> nor how to wash clothes in space.
>
> Really, who needs clothes in a climate controlled spacecraft?
A climate-controlled spacecraft that could be punctured by a micrometeorite
any moment. Besides, astronauts/passengers are people, too, with a natural
pudency.
Washing clothes: As e.g. NASA astronaut Karen Nyberg, and CSA astronaut
Chris Hadfield demonstrated in a video, respectively, astronauts can wash
their hair and brush their teeth in microgravity with little effort. [1][2]
I can see no great difficulty washing clothes in space in a washing machine
designed for microgravity once you have it there (I think the main problem
is designing it and bringing it there). Only maybe more of the precious
water can be saved by developing alternative washing techniques; AIUI from
my practice, for washing clothes the clothes only have to soak up water,
then the washing agent has to dissolve in the water to get the dirt and
sweat out of the threads, and then the soapy, dirty water has to be removed.
Certainly this can be done in space. But probably the best way to solve
this problem would be using special threads in the clothes that cannot get
dirty or sweaty in the first place. [3]
[1] <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIjNfZbUYu8>
[2] <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bCoGC532p8>
[3] <https://www.thethreadsmiths.com/>
<https://youtu.be/rSM2eUDm-84>
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 09:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6946B116E79Bmelchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #599017 |
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: > On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: >> >>> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >>>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: > >>>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared >>>>>> -d ie .html >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >>>>> Mars. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission >>>>> -e xp >>>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study- >>>>> cl ai ms.html >>>>> > >>>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>>>> >>>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests >>>>> missions to >>>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays >>>>> increase This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can >>>>> safely stay in space It is predicted solar activity will >>>>> continue to decrease in future This will mean male astronauts >>>>> can only stay in space for 320 days And for females this is >>>>> reduced to just 240 days These would be too short for a >>>>> mission to Mars, particularly for women Both would be >>>>> susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and more > >>>> British 'journalism' at its best. >>>> >>>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >>>> may drop to 30 as time went by. >>>> >>>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >>>> >>>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >>>> obvious ones can be dealt with. > >>>> pt >>> >>> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, >>> right ? >> >> Wrong. >> >> http://www.spacex.com/mars >> >> pt >> > > that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is > a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for > his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. > > It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to > wash clothes in space. Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't think it's a ploy; he's serious. The presentation wasn't at the technical level you or I wanted, but was aimed at stirring up interest. I would also like to see independent confirmation of ways to deal with radiation, and the trip time. The latter, at least, should be easy to confirm. The Independent writer is simply incompetent. The claim I've heard regarding the radiation issue is that, with higher speeds, and magnetic shielding, the burden of a flight wouldad be about the same as becoming a smoker for a few months, then stopping. I'd very much like to see independent verification of that. I really hope he succeeds. No one else seems to being doing as much for the long term sustainability of the human race. For a highly readable (albeit True Believer) account of Musk's projects, try http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html pt pt
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 09:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsoita$16p5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #599039 |
On 10/1/2016 9:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote: > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:nsnbkr$1jin$1@gioia.aioe.org: > >> On 9/30/2016 9:22 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:nsn6a5$6hd$1@dont-email.me: >>> >>>> On 9/30/2016 8:43 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote: >>>>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in >>>>> news:nsn18g$19e0$1@gioia.aioe.org: >> >>>>>> On 9/30/2016 5:42 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says >>>>>>> http://www.space.com/34259-elon-musk-first-mars-colonists-prepared >>>>>>> -d ie .html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Is he talking about dying before liftoff to Mars??? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> no, dying as they get *cooked by radiation* on the surface of >>>>>> Mars. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2802937/mars-mission >>>>>> -e xp >>>>>> ose-astronauts-deadly-levels-radiation-travelling-red-planet-study- >>>>>> cl ai ms.html >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Mars mission could expose astronauts to deadly levels of radiation >>>>>> while travelling to the red planet, study claims >>>>>> >>>>>> A study from the University of New Hampshire suggests >>>>>> missions to >>>>>> Mars might be impossible due to an increased risk of radiation >>>>>> Research suggests when sun is less active cosmic rays >>>>>> increase This lowers the amount of time an astronaut can >>>>>> safely stay in space It is predicted solar activity will >>>>>> continue to decrease in future This will mean male astronauts >>>>>> can only stay in space for 320 days And for females this is >>>>>> reduced to just 240 days These would be too short for a >>>>>> mission to Mars, particularly for women Both would be >>>>>> susceptible to radiation sickness, cancer and more >> >>>>> British 'journalism' at its best. >>>>> >>>>> Musk stated, flat out, that the flight time would be 90 days, and >>>>> may drop to 30 as time went by. >>>>> >>>>> Minimum fuel Hohmann orbit is not the only way to get to Mars. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots of ways to die setting up a Mars colony, but the >>>>> obvious ones can be dealt with. >> >>>>> pt >>>> >>>> A 30 day to 90 day flight to Mars will take a nuclear rocket engine, >>>> right ? >>> >>> Wrong. >>> >>> http://www.spacex.com/mars >>> >>> pt >>> >> >> that presentation does not have serious depth of thought in it, it is >> a marketing pitch to capture government funds which float and pay for >> his other companies, Tesla and SolarCity. >> >> It does not address RADIATION at all, nor food, nor water, nor how to >> wash clothes in space. > > Musk has been beating this drum, very consistently, for quite a number > of years now, and his projects have all been leading up to this. I don't > think it's a ploy; he's serious. he is serious about getting government funding. > > The presentation wasn't at the technical level you or I wanted, but was > aimed at stirring up interest. I would also like to see independent > confirmation of ways to deal with radiation, and the trip time. The > latter, at least, should be easy to confirm. The Independent writer > is simply incompetent. NASA has hundreds of studies > > The claim I've heard regarding the radiation issue is that, with > higher speeds, and magnetic shielding, the burden of a flight wouldad > be about the same as becoming a smoker for a few months, then stopping. > I'd very much like to see independent verification of that. travel to from is not the problem. Remember on Mars surface there is no protection, no atmosphere, no magnetic field, it is the same as space. studies I have read say the dudes on Mars must live about 12 feet underground 95% of the time to avoid the bad effects of radiation. > > I really hope he succeeds. No one else seems to being doing as much > for the long term sustainability of the human race. Mars cannot support Humans. > > For a highly readable (albeit True Believer) account of Musk's > projects, try > > http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html > > pt > > pt >
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 08:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ef3a6147-9d1f-4875-b7a9-664d588d0939@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #599042 |
Mars obviously can't support humans. Why is ANY money being wasted on it?
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 18:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cca5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #599039 |
In sci.physics Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: <snip> > I really hope he succeeds. No one else seems to being doing as much > for the long term sustainability of the human race. Human life on Mars is not long term sustainable absent the equivalent of an industrialized nation on Mars. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 15:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA694AADE79DC3melchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #599054 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in news:cca5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > In sci.physics Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip> > >> I really hope he succeeds. No one else seems to being doing as much >> for the long term sustainability of the human race. > > Human life on Mars is not long term sustainable absent the equivalent > of an industrialized nation on Mars. > > That's correct. That's why he want to get a million people to move there. I'd be happier with 10x that number. pt
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