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  past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 15:54 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 18:18 -0500
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 16:59 -0700
        Re: past,present,future "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-01 18:30 -0700
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 18:59 -0700
            Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 21:02 -0500
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-01 22:46 -0700
              Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 10:01 -0700
                Re: past,present,future Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-05-02 21:39 -0500
                  Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 21:20 -0700
                    Re: past,present,future "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 22:26 -0700
                      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 22:46 -0700
                        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 00:15 -0700
                          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 20:55 -0700
                            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-03 22:17 -0700
                            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-08 22:36 -0700
                              Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-09 21:21 -0700
                                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-11 13:35 -0700
                Re: past,present,future "Tim BandTech.com" <timgolden@bandtechnology.com> - 2016-05-04 18:56 -0700
    Re: past,present,future David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2016-05-02 20:29 -0600
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-02 19:11 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500
      Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-05 00:03 +0200
        Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 19:27 -0500
          Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-05 03:14 +0200
      Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-04 23:08 -0700
        Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 09:16 -0500
          Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-06 19:58 +0200
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:11 -0700
        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 09:40 -0700
          Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 15:29 -0500
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 23:24 -0700
          Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:13 -0700
    Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 20:38 -0500
      Re: past,present,future benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-04 23:26 -0400
        Re: past,present,future Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-04 23:59 -0500
        Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-05 23:30 -0700
          Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 08:42 -0500
            Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 11:05 -0700
              Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 18:18 -0500
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 20:30 -0700
                  Re: past,present,future Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 22:33 -0500
                Re: past,present,future The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-06 20:58 -0700
                  Re: past,present,future Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-06 22:08 -0600
                    Re: past,present,future Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 19:07 +0200

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#574693 — past,present,future

let me
put it 
this way..

if the past doesn't exist..
and the future does not exist

what makes think the Present exist?

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#574700

On 5/1/16 5:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> if the past doesn't exist..
> and the future does not exist
>
> what makes think the Present exist?


   Let's make it a bit more personal... you don't think your next breath
   is not in the future... or your previous breath is not in the past?

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#574712

Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 5/1/16 5:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > if the past doesn't exist..
> > and the future does not exist
> >
> > what makes you think the Present exist?
> 
>    Let's make it a bit more personal... you don't think your next breath
>    is not in the future... or your previous breath is not in the past?



you can go back to the past and get a sample of your breath????


and how can i predict what will be in the future?



what makes you think the Present exist? you mentioned the past and the
future, but not the present...



what makes you think the Present exist? 


Let me show you how it works...you first have to THINK.

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#574720

Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
 >> > if the past doesn't exist..
>> > and the future does not exist
>> >
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>   what makes you think the Present exist?
>>    Let's make it a bit more personal... 
>>    you don't think your next breath
>>    is not in the future... 
>>    or your previous breath is not in the past?
> 
Sternmacher wrote: 
> can you go back to the past and get a sample of your breath????
>
hanson wrote:
Sternmacher, not withstanding your belletristic notions below,
you can retrieve a that sample of breath from the past,
and not only in a closed space and of a few seconds ago,
but, as long as the sample is small enough you can do it 
outside in the open air and go back thousands of years....
>
It used to be standard edu, when discussing the size of
Avogardo's Number. N_A = ~ 6.02*10^23, to calculate
that you inhale and exhale, with every breath you take,
 2 to 3 atoms of the SAME oxygen that Jesus was breathing
2000 years ago... etc.  The calc is easy. High school stuff.
>
Sternmacher wrote: 
> and how can i predict what will be in the future?
> what makes you think the Present exist? you mentioned the 
> past and the future, but not the present...
> what makes you think the Present exist? 
> Sam, let me show you how it works...you first have to THINK.

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#574725

hanson wrote:
> 
> Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>  >> > if the past doesn't exist..
> >> > and the future does not exist
> >> >
> > Sam Wormley wrote:
> >>   what makes you think the Present exist?
> >>    Let's make it a bit more personal...
> >>    you don't think your next breath
> >>    is not in the future...
> >>    or your previous breath is not in the past?
> >
> Sternmacher wrote:
> > can you go back to the past and get a sample of your breath????
> >
> hanson wrote:
> Sternmacher, not withstanding your belletristic notions below,
> you can retrieve a that sample of breath from the past,
> and not only in a closed space and of a few seconds ago,
> but, as long as the sample is small enough you can do it
> outside in the open air and go back thousands of years....
> >
> It used to be standard edu, when discussing the size of
> Avogardo's Number. N_A = ~ 6.02*10^23, to calculate
> that you inhale and exhale, with every breath you take,
>  2 to 3 atoms of the SAME oxygen that Jesus was breathing
> 2000 years ago... etc.  The calc is easy. High school stuff.
> >
> Sternmacher wrote:
> > and how can i predict what will be in the future?
> > what makes you think the Present exist? you mentioned the
> > past and the future, but not the present...
> > what makes you think the Present exist?
> > Sam, let me show you how it works...you first have to THINK.

That is no indication that a past exist...

or a present or a future.


It doesn't even prove that you are living *in* time...

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#574727

On 5/1/16 8:59 PM, The Starmaker wrote:

> That is no indication that a past exist...
>
> or a present or a future.
>


   This is pretty much true for dead people.


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#574770

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> hanson wrote:
> >
> > Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >  >> > if the past doesn't exist..
> > >> > and the future does not exist
> > >> >
> > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > >>   what makes you think the Present exist?
> > >>    Let's make it a bit more personal...
> > >>    you don't think your next breath
> > >>    is not in the future...
> > >>    or your previous breath is not in the past?
> > >
> > Sternmacher wrote:
> > > can you go back to the past and get a sample of your breath????
> > >
> > hanson wrote:
> > Sternmacher, not withstanding your belletristic notions below,
> > you can retrieve a that sample of breath from the past,
> > and not only in a closed space and of a few seconds ago,
> > but, as long as the sample is small enough you can do it
> > outside in the open air and go back thousands of years....
> > >
> > It used to be standard edu, when discussing the size of
> > Avogardo's Number. N_A = ~ 6.02*10^23, to calculate
> > that you inhale and exhale, with every breath you take,
> >  2 to 3 atoms of the SAME oxygen that Jesus was breathing
> > 2000 years ago... etc.  The calc is easy. High school stuff.
> > >
> > Sternmacher wrote:
> > > and how can i predict what will be in the future?
> > > what makes you think the Present exist? you mentioned the
> > > past and the future, but not the present...
> > > what makes you think the Present exist?
> > > Sam, let me show you how it works...you first have to THINK.
> 
> That is no indication that a past exist...
> 
> or a present or a future.
> 
> It doesn't even prove that you are living *in* time...

I mean...really, tell me where exactly is this ...'present'?

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#574862

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > hanson wrote:
> > >
> > > Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >  >> > if the past doesn't exist..
> > > >> > and the future does not exist
> > > >> >
> > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > >>   what makes you think the Present exist?
> > > >>    Let's make it a bit more personal...
> > > >>    you don't think your next breath
> > > >>    is not in the future...
> > > >>    or your previous breath is not in the past?
> > > >
> > > Sternmacher wrote:
> > > > can you go back to the past and get a sample of your breath????
> > > >
> > > hanson wrote:
> > > Sternmacher, not withstanding your belletristic notions below,
> > > you can retrieve a that sample of breath from the past,
> > > and not only in a closed space and of a few seconds ago,
> > > but, as long as the sample is small enough you can do it
> > > outside in the open air and go back thousands of years....
> > > >
> > > It used to be standard edu, when discussing the size of
> > > Avogardo's Number. N_A = ~ 6.02*10^23, to calculate
> > > that you inhale and exhale, with every breath you take,
> > >  2 to 3 atoms of the SAME oxygen that Jesus was breathing
> > > 2000 years ago... etc.  The calc is easy. High school stuff.
> > > >
> > > Sternmacher wrote:
> > > > and how can i predict what will be in the future?
> > > > what makes you think the Present exist? you mentioned the
> > > > past and the future, but not the present...
> > > > what makes you think the Present exist?
> > > > Sam, let me show you how it works...you first have to THINK.
> >
> > That is no indication that a past exist...
> >
> > or a present or a future.
> >
> > It doesn't even prove that you are living *in* time...
> 
> I mean...really, tell me where exactly is this ...'present'?


Is it here, or over there?


I don't see any evidence of Time. Not even a time flow...whateverthatis.


But, but...didn't Einstein say Time is an illusion? I mean, didn't he
say that???


Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????


Doesn't that mean that the present doesn't exist??? It's just an
illusion?


Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????


I mean, he is quoted as saying the presnt is an illusion...i'm surley
not wrong about that!


But that would mean the present doesn't exist, if I understood
correctly...

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#575059

On 5/2/2016 12:01 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>


> But, but...didn't Einstein say Time is an illusion? I mean, didn't he
> say that???
>
>
> Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????
>
>
> Doesn't that mean that the present doesn't exist??? It's just an
> illusion?
>
>
> Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????


no, your Dr said it is a delusion.

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#575072

Sergio wrote:
> 
> On 5/2/2016 12:01 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >
> 
> > But, but...didn't Einstein say Time is an illusion? I mean, didn't he
> > say that???
> >
> >
> > Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????
> >
> >
> > Doesn't that mean that the present doesn't exist??? It's just an
> > illusion?
> >
> >
> > Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????
> 
> no, your Dr said it is a delusion.


Well, you're also wrong about that. Albert Einstein wrote with his own hand that the present is an illusion.

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#575080

Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> asked
 himself: "Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is 
an illusion????".. and then Sternmacher asked himself again:
"Einstein wrote with his own hand that the present is an illusion."
>
hanson wrote:
Sternmacher, your sui-inquisition will eventually provide
you with an answer if you ask yourself long enough, and
you begin to believe what you want to believe.... 
>
OTOH, you could also look up the exact text of what AE
said and then form your own opinion about t/his time 
con-job that was explained by Einstein who said:
>
||| AE||| "People like us, who **believe** in physics,
||| AE||| know that the distinction between the
||| AE||| past, resent, and future is only a stubbornly
||| AE||| persistent illusion."
>
But as Einstein aged and his SR/GR crock o'shit began
to lose luster he said:
>
|||AE:||| "why would anyone be interested in getting exact
|||AE:||| solutions from such an ephemeral set of equations?"
|||AE:||| "as far as the laws of mathematics refer to
|||AE:||| reality, they are not certain; and as far as they
|||AE:||| are certain, they do not refer to reality."
>
and finally 2 years before Einstein puffed,
<http://tinyurl.com/Einstein-denied-his-SR-and-GR
in which Albert concluded that:
____ SR is short for STUPID RANT _____ & that
____ GR stands for GULLIBLE RECITAL _____
>
and said
|||AE:||| "If I had my life to live over again, I'd be a plumber".
|||AE:||| ... [and I would make blouses instead. (see link)]
<http://tinyurl.com/Blouse-Plumber-Einstein>
<http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
>
Yet like with all BELIEFS, AE's disciples who are nothing
but Einstein Dingleberries that worship Albert's Sphincter
while dangling in the warm & cozy breeze of Einstein's
GEDANKEN farts, do continue to proselytize for it, like
all other faithful members of any other religion do.
>
GR is even worse, because GR STILL uses Newton's "G" 
DIRECTLY, no  matter how badly Einstein Dingleberries 
jump  up & down on Albert's Rubber Trampoline and try to
deny it. --  The 2nd G in g_/uv is Newton's "G" which AE
tried to get rid of but could NOT....
>
So, much for the physics of SR & GR, wherefore all of its
Believers have put a Dog cone (funnel) around their necks ...
<http://tinyurl.com/Dog-Cone-for-Relativists> to limit their
own pedestrian event-horizon in their vain hope to see
SR's non-existant Light cones..... .... ahahahAHAHAHA
>
Now Sternacher, since you are a liberal arts Believer,
with philosophy being close to your heart, there is another
way you could look at and solve your problem; by absorbing
yourself into the timeless and aimless train of thought by
Secy of Def. Donald Rumsfeld who said:
>
|||  "There are known knowns. There are things we
|||  know that we know. There are known unknowns.
|||  That is to say there are things that we now know
|||  we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns.
|||  And there are things we don't know we don't know."
[Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

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#575085

if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..

and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..

what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.


Simply put, Time doesn't exist.








hanson wrote:
> 
> Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> asked
>  himself: "Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is
> an illusion????".. and then Sternmacher asked himself again:
> "Einstein wrote with his own hand that the present is an illusion."
> >
> hanson wrote:
> Sternmacher, your sui-inquisition will eventually provide
> you with an answer if you ask yourself long enough, and
> you begin to believe what you want to believe....
> >
> OTOH, you could also look up the exact text of what AE
> said and then form your own opinion about t/his time
> con-job that was explained by Einstein who said:
> >
> ||| AE||| "People like us, who **believe** in physics,
> ||| AE||| know that the distinction between the
> ||| AE||| past, resent, and future is only a stubbornly
> ||| AE||| persistent illusion."
> >
> But as Einstein aged and his SR/GR crock o'shit began
> to lose luster he said:
> >
> |||AE:||| "why would anyone be interested in getting exact
> |||AE:||| solutions from such an ephemeral set of equations?"
> |||AE:||| "as far as the laws of mathematics refer to
> |||AE:||| reality, they are not certain; and as far as they
> |||AE:||| are certain, they do not refer to reality."
> >
> and finally 2 years before Einstein puffed,
> <http://tinyurl.com/Einstein-denied-his-SR-and-GR
> in which Albert concluded that:
> ____ SR is short for STUPID RANT _____ & that
> ____ GR stands for GULLIBLE RECITAL _____
> >
> and said
> |||AE:||| "If I had my life to live over again, I'd be a plumber".
> |||AE:||| ... [and I would make blouses instead. (see link)]
> <http://tinyurl.com/Blouse-Plumber-Einstein>
> <http://tinyurl.com/Tears-for-Einsteins-Misery>
> >
> Yet like with all BELIEFS, AE's disciples who are nothing
> but Einstein Dingleberries that worship Albert's Sphincter
> while dangling in the warm & cozy breeze of Einstein's
> GEDANKEN farts, do continue to proselytize for it, like
> all other faithful members of any other religion do.
> >
> GR is even worse, because GR STILL uses Newton's "G"
> DIRECTLY, no  matter how badly Einstein Dingleberries
> jump  up & down on Albert's Rubber Trampoline and try to
> deny it. --  The 2nd G in g_/uv is Newton's "G" which AE
> tried to get rid of but could NOT....
> >
> So, much for the physics of SR & GR, wherefore all of its
> Believers have put a Dog cone (funnel) around their necks ...
> <http://tinyurl.com/Dog-Cone-for-Relativists> to limit their
> own pedestrian event-horizon in their vain hope to see
> SR's non-existant Light cones..... .... ahahahAHAHAHA
> >
> Now Sternacher, since you are a liberal arts Believer,
> with philosophy being close to your heart, there is another
> way you could look at and solve your problem; by absorbing
> yourself into the timeless and aimless train of thought by
> Secy of Def. Donald Rumsfeld who said:
> >
> |||  "There are known knowns. There are things we
> |||  know that we know. There are known unknowns.
> |||  That is to say there are things that we now know
> |||  we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns.
> |||  And there are things we don't know we don't know."
> [Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

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#575093

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..
> 
> and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..
> 
> what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.
> 
> Simply put, Time doesn't exist.


If whats past you don't exist, and what is forward you doesn't
exist...you Now don't exist.

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#575342

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..
> >
> > and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..
> >
> > what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.
> >
> > Simply put, Time doesn't exist.
> 
> If whats past you don't exist, and what is forward you doesn't
> exist...you Now don't exist.
> 


Now, for most of you..(if not all of you) it might be a little
differcult to understand.

You're between a past that does not exist, and a future that doesn't
exist...
where does that leave you? Not much room to ...exist.

Try to imagine..there is no Time.


maybe that would help..

Can you imagine no Time?

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#575358

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..
> > >
> > > and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..
> > >
> > > what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.
> > >
> > > Simply put, Time doesn't exist.
> >
> > If whats past you don't exist, and what is forward you doesn't
> > exist...you Now don't exist.
> >
> 
> Now, for most of you..(if not all of you) it might be a little
> differcult to understand.
> 
> You're between a past that does not exist, and a future that doesn't
> exist...
> where does that leave you? Not much room to ...exist.
> 
> Try to imagine..there is no Time.
> 
> maybe that would help..
> 
> Can you imagine no Time?




    There is no present or future, only the past, happening over and
over again, now.
    —?Eugene O'Neill

    There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent
past.
    —?George Carlin

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#576641

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..
> > >
> > > and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..
> > >
> > > what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.
> > >
> > > Simply put, Time doesn't exist.
> >
> > If whats past you don't exist, and what is forward you doesn't
> > exist...you Now don't exist.
> >
> 
> Now, for most of you..(if not all of you) it might be a little
> differcult to understand.
> 
> You're between a past that does not exist, and a future that doesn't
> exist...
> where does that leave you? Not much room to ...exist.
> 
> Try to imagine..there is no Time.
> 
> maybe that would help..
> 
> Can you imagine no Time?

I see yous need help...

 have you even seen a dead
person eyes?

that stare is the stare of..
no Time.

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#576955

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..
> > > >
> > > > and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..
> > > >
> > > > what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.
> > > >
> > > > Simply put, Time doesn't exist.
> > >
> > > If whats past you don't exist, and what is forward you doesn't
> > > exist...you Now don't exist.
> > >
> >
> > Now, for most of you..(if not all of you) it might be a little
> > differcult to understand.
> >
> > You're between a past that does not exist, and a future that doesn't
> > exist...
> > where does that leave you? Not much room to ...exist.
> >
> > Try to imagine..there is no Time.
> >
> > maybe that would help..
> >
> > Can you imagine no Time?
> 
> I see yous need help...
> 
>  have you even seen a dead
> person eyes?
> 
> that stare is the stare of..
> no Time.


I'm not saying the dead guy is dead...
he's not alive or dead...
but he ran out of time.

In otherwords, Time does not exist...it exist only in the mind.

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#577269

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > if there is no distinction between the past, present and the future..
> > > > >
> > > > > and the past doesn't exist...and the future doesn't exist..
> > > > >
> > > > > what makes anyone think the present exist? there is no distinction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Simply put, Time doesn't exist.
> > > >
> > > > If whats past you don't exist, and what is forward you doesn't
> > > > exist...you Now don't exist.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Now, for most of you..(if not all of you) it might be a little
> > > differcult to understand.
> > >
> > > You're between a past that does not exist, and a future that doesn't
> > > exist...
> > > where does that leave you? Not much room to ...exist.
> > >
> > > Try to imagine..there is no Time.
> > >
> > > maybe that would help..
> > >
> > > Can you imagine no Time?
> >
> > I see yous need help...
> >
> >  have you even seen a dead
> > person eyes?
> >
> > that stare is the stare of..
> > no Time.
> 
> I'm not saying the dead guy is dead...
> he's not alive or dead...
> but he ran out of time.
> 
> In otherwords, Time does not exist...it exist only in the mind.



Now, if you tried to imagine what the world is like without Time...you probably look like a dead guy, am i right or am i right?

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#575643

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 1:00:40 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > hanson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sternmacher "The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > >  >> > if the past doesn't exist..
> > > > >> > and the future does not exist
> > > > >> >
> > > > > Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > >>   what makes you think the Present exist?
> > > > >>    Let's make it a bit more personal...
> > > > >>    you don't think your next breath
> > > > >>    is not in the future...
> > > > >>    or your previous breath is not in the past?
> > > > >
> > > > Sternmacher wrote:
> > > > > can you go back to the past and get a sample of your breath????
> > > > >
> > > > hanson wrote:
> > > > Sternmacher, not withstanding your belletristic notions below,
> > > > you can retrieve a that sample of breath from the past,
> > > > and not only in a closed space and of a few seconds ago,
> > > > but, as long as the sample is small enough you can do it
> > > > outside in the open air and go back thousands of years....
> > > > >
> > > > It used to be standard edu, when discussing the size of
> > > > Avogardo's Number. N_A = ~ 6.02*10^23, to calculate
> > > > that you inhale and exhale, with every breath you take,
> > > >  2 to 3 atoms of the SAME oxygen that Jesus was breathing
> > > > 2000 years ago... etc.  The calc is easy. High school stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > Sternmacher wrote:
> > > > > and how can i predict what will be in the future?
> > > > > what makes you think the Present exist? you mentioned the
> > > > > past and the future, but not the present...
> > > > > what makes you think the Present exist?
> > > > > Sam, let me show you how it works...you first have to THINK.
> > >
> > > That is no indication that a past exist...
> > >
> > > or a present or a future.
> > >
> > > It doesn't even prove that you are living *in* time...
> > 
> > I mean...really, tell me where exactly is this ...'present'?
> 
> 
> Is it here, or over there?
> 
> 
> I don't see any evidence of Time. Not even a time flow...whateverthatis.
> 
> 
> But, but...didn't Einstein say Time is an illusion? I mean, didn't he
> say that???
> 
> 
> Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????
> 
> 
> Doesn't that mean that the present doesn't exist??? It's just an
> illusion?
> 
> 
> Didn't Albert Einstein say himself that the present is an illusion????
> 
> 
> I mean, he is quoted as saying the presnt is an illusion...i'm surley
> not wrong about that!
> 
> 
> But that would mean the present doesn't exist, if I understood
> correctly...

Time is zero dimensional and yet is still unidirectional. Because the ray is more fundamental than the line(which is composed of two rays) modern mathematics has taken a Euclidean misstep. It is possible to compose two dimensional space from three rays rather than four, and so on into higher dimension. 

The unity of space and time can be seen before Einstein in Kant's writings. By generalizing the sign of the real number whose correspondence is to the line (and so named one dimensional) the existence of one-signed numbers is established. While it is possible to do rudimentary arithmetic with one-signed numbers they render to naught, and so correspondence to time as unidirectional and zero dimensional does have a formal construction. Further then the unification of space and time is possible without invoking the light cone. 

Three-signed numbers and four-signed numbers and so forth are established as well under the title 'polysign numbers'. They are algebraically behaved but do have an interesting breakpoint in their arithmetic product which allows them to claim support for emergent spacetime, and of course the one-signed time is a feature ignored in ordinary interpretations. That time does carry a geometric correspondence; this its correspondence is not a real line but is instead just half of that line, and that this unidirectional ray can be treated as zero dimensional; these are formal concepts still ignored by most. 

Our culture relies upon the real number as fundamental but clearly that numerical system can be dissected into more fundamental components. This human error is beyond recognition partly because mathematics claims to be pristine. There is more than one stain on this cloak. The human form is too weak to register the burden which mathematics places on each individual to trust his own mind rather than the minds of his predecessors. Repetition and formality only further the problem. Mimicry is what we excel at; not mathematics.

I encourage you to consider the generalization of sign from scratch on your own as a means of resolving the transgression that modern time interpretations impart. Electromagnetics is nearby to this and spacetime as well. Thus physics and mathematics may come to a closer correspondence. We should admit that those boundaries are artificial but instead what we see is each section going astray. Take your freedom to construct or ponder this: if two signs cause
   - 1 + 1 = 0
then should three signs cause
   - 1 + 1 * 1 = 0?
And if you see that this is acceptable then in a one-signed system doesn't this generalization leave you with
   - 1 = 0 ?
Each of these systems produces a geometry based in rays rather than lines. Orthogonality is out the window here, but a symmetry unfolds that is irrefutable. It's a tough nut to crack but unified spacetime is in the meat so get to it!

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#575035

On 5/1/2016 4:54 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> let me
> put it
> this way..
>
> if the past doesn't exist..
> and the future does not exist
>
> what makes think the Present exist?
>
observation you fucking idiot

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