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Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-04-18 11:05 -0700
Last post2016-04-18 22:47 -0700
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  Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 11:05 -0700
    Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 11:16 -0700
      Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 14:14 -0700
    Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 12:48 -0700
      Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 12:56 -0700
        Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 18:06 -0700
          Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 22:06 -0700
            Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 22:14 -0700
              Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 22:36 -0700
                Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 22:40 -0700
                  Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 22:41 -0700
                    Re: Broken Science- a lot of published research is false. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-18 22:47 -0700

#571351 — Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 11:05 -0700
SubjectBroken Science- a lot of published research is false.
Message-ID<571521FC.6D7A@ix.netcom.com>
http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/05/scientific-regress



Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.


false
fôls/
adjective
adjective: false; comparative adjective: falser; superlative adjective: falsest

    1.
    not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
    "the test can produce false results"
    synonyms:	incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, trumped up, unfounded, spurious;
    counterfeit, forged, fraudulent
    "a false report"
    antonyms:	correct, truthful
        not according with rules or law.
        "false imprisonment"
    2.
    appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.





incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, and
meant to deceive.


and i have to get through all your fuckin garbage!


Get on a rocket, and get the fuck out-of-my-planet!!!!


You got fuckin 24 hours! I don't give a fuck if your rocket ship isn't ready! Let it fukin blow up wit yous in it.


everyday is fuckin garbage frOm yous guys....EVERYDAY!


you can fukin drown in your space suits!

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#571358

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-18 11:16 -0700
Message-ID<a03a2242-2bba-4f22-927b-007bdc942c03@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#571351
On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 11:05:25 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken

Quote:
"Science, at heart an enterprise for mavericks, has become an enterprise for careerists. It's time to flip the career track for science on its head. Instead of waiting until someone's best years are behind her to award her academic freedom and prestige, abolish the PhD and grant fellowships to the best 22-year-olds, giving them the biggest budgets and the most freedoms for the first five or 10 years of their careers. Then, with only few exceptions, shift them away from research to teaching or some other harmless activity. Only then can we begin to fix Big Science."

This is very true.  Many of the Phd candidates I've encountered in water science, for example, barely understand the science.  They know their models.  But they don't know the science.  And they are obsesses with getting published to the point of completely ignoring the fact that much of their science doesn't quite add up.

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#571398

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 14:14 -0700
Message-ID<57154E4F.7D67@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571358
James McGinn wrote:
> 
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 11:05:25 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> 
> Quote:
> "Science, at heart an enterprise for mavericks, has become an enterprise for careerists. It's time to flip the career track for science on its head. Instead of waiting until someone's best years are behind her to award her academic freedom and prestige, abolish the PhD and grant fellowships to the best 22-year-olds, giving them the biggest budgets and the most freedoms for the first five or 10 years of their careers. Then, with only few exceptions, shift them away from research to teaching or so
> 
> This is very true.  Many of the Phd candidates I've encountered in water science, for example, barely understand the science.  They know their models.  But they don't know the science.  And they are obsesses with getting published to the point of completely ignoring the fact that much of their science doesn't quite add up.

it doesn't add up because it doesn't fit, and if it don't fit..you got
to aquit.

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#571374

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 12:48 -0700
Message-ID<57153A01.29D1@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571351
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> 
> http://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/05/scientific-regress
> 
> Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.
> 
> false
> fôls/
> adjective
> adjective: false; comparative adjective: falser; superlative adjective: falsest
> 
>     1.
>     not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
>     "the test can produce false results"
>     synonyms:   incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, trumped up, unfounded, spurious;
>     counterfeit, forged, fraudulent
>     "a false report"
>     antonyms:   correct, truthful
>         not according with rules or law.
>         "false imprisonment"
>     2.
>     appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.
> 
> incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, and
> meant to deceive.
> 
> and i have to get through all your fuckin garbage!
> 
> Get on a rocket, and get the fuck out-of-my-planet!!!!
> 
> You got fuckin 24 hours! I don't give a fuck if your rocket ship isn't ready! Let it fukin blow up wit yous in it.
> 
> everyday is fuckin garbage from yous guys....EVERYDAY!
> 
> you can fukin drown in your space suits!

and take your stupid teachers with you! (tell them the odds of the ship
blowing up is a billion to one) (more false info, isn't it?)


"the scientific method has "self-correcting mechanisms" that ensure
that, eventually, the truth will prevail. 
Unfortunately for all of us, Wilson makes a convincing argument that
those self-correcting mechanisms are broken."

http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken


it's broken.


don't bother to fix it, it's too old...

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#571378

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 12:56 -0700
Message-ID<57153BE4.674A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571374
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> >
> > http://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/05/scientific-regress
> >
> > Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.
> >
> > false
> > fôls/
> > adjective
> > adjective: false; comparative adjective: falser; superlative adjective: falsest
> >
> >     1.
> >     not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
> >     "the test can produce false results"
> >     synonyms:   incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, trumped up, unfounded, spurious;
> >     counterfeit, forged, fraudulent
> >     "a false report"
> >     antonyms:   correct, truthful
> >         not according with rules or law.
> >         "false imprisonment"
> >     2.
> >     appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.
> >
> > incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, and
> > meant to deceive.
> >
> > and i have to get through all your fuckin garbage!
> >
> > Get on a rocket, and get the fuck out-of-my-planet!!!!
> >
> > You got fuckin 24 hours! I don't give a fuck if your rocket ship isn't ready! Let it fukin blow up wit yous in it.
> >
> > everyday is fuckin garbage from yous guys....EVERYDAY!
> >
> > you can fukin drown in your space suits!
> 
> and take your stupid teachers with you! (tell them the odds of the ship
> blowing up is a billion to one) (more false info, isn't it?)
> 
> "the scientific method has "self-correcting mechanisms" that ensure
> that, eventually, the truth will prevail.
> Unfortunately for all of us, Wilson makes a convincing argument that
> those self-correcting mechanisms are broken."
> 
> http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> 
> it's broken.
> 
> don't bother to fix it, it's too old...



"For starters, there's a "replication crisis" in science." 
http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken


Translation: "I no need to stinky fuckin replicate it!!!"

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#571468

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 18:06 -0700
Message-ID<57158493.74A3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571378
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> > >
> > > http://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/05/scientific-regress
> > >
> > > Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.
> > >
> > > false
> > > fôls/
> > > adjective
> > > adjective: false; comparative adjective: falser; superlative adjective: falsest
> > >
> > >     1.
> > >     not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
> > >     "the test can produce false results"
> > >     synonyms:   incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, trumped up, unfounded, spurious;
> > >     counterfeit, forged, fraudulent
> > >     "a false report"
> > >     antonyms:   correct, truthful
> > >         not according with rules or law.
> > >         "false imprisonment"
> > >     2.
> > >     appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.
> > >
> > > incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, and
> > > meant to deceive.
> > >
> > > and i have to get through all your fuckin garbage!
> > >
> > > Get on a rocket, and get the fuck out-of-my-planet!!!!
> > >
> > > You got fuckin 24 hours! I don't give a fuck if your rocket ship isn't ready! Let it fukin blow up wit yous in it.
> > >
> > > everyday is fuckin garbage from yous guys....EVERYDAY!
> > >
> > > you can fukin drown in your space suits!
> >
> > and take your stupid teachers with you! (tell them the odds of the ship
> > blowing up is a billion to one) (more false info, isn't it?)
> >
> > "the scientific method has "self-correcting mechanisms" that ensure
> > that, eventually, the truth will prevail.
> > Unfortunately for all of us, Wilson makes a convincing argument that
> > those self-correcting mechanisms are broken."
> >
> > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> >
> > it's broken.
> >
> > don't bother to fix it, it's too old...
> 
> "For starters, there's a "replication crisis" in science."
> http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> 
> Translation: "I no need to stinky fuckin replicate it!!!"




"...gravitational waves at the BICEP2 experiment in Antarctica,  — have now been retracted, with far less fanfare than when they were first published."
http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken



Translation: gravitational waves have not been detected.


why do you guys fall for this false stuff....wishful thinkers? Your thing called Science, is over. There is nothing else to discover except false discoveries.

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#571502

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 22:06 -0700
Message-ID<5715BCCA.759C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571468
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> > > >
> > > > http://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/05/scientific-regress
> > > >
> > > > Broken Science- a lot of published research is false.
> > > >
> > > > false
> > > > fôls/
> > > > adjective
> > > > adjective: false; comparative adjective: falser; superlative adjective: falsest
> > > >
> > > >     1.
> > > >     not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
> > > >     "the test can produce false results"
> > > >     synonyms:   incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, trumped up, unfounded, spurious;
> > > >     counterfeit, forged, fraudulent
> > > >     "a false report"
> > > >     antonyms:   correct, truthful
> > > >         not according with rules or law.
> > > >         "false imprisonment"
> > > >     2.
> > > >     appearing to be the thing denoted; deliberately made or meant to deceive.
> > > >
> > > > incorrect, untrue, wrong, erroneous, fallacious, flawed, distorted, inaccurate, imprecise; untruthful, fictitious, concocted, fabricated, invented, made up, and
> > > > meant to deceive.
> > > >
> > > > and i have to get through all your fuckin garbage!
> > > >
> > > > Get on a rocket, and get the fuck out-of-my-planet!!!!
> > > >
> > > > You got fuckin 24 hours! I don't give a fuck if your rocket ship isn't ready! Let it fukin blow up wit yous in it.
> > > >
> > > > everyday is fuckin garbage from yous guys....EVERYDAY!
> > > >
> > > > you can fukin drown in your space suits!
> > >
> > > and take your stupid teachers with you! (tell them the odds of the ship
> > > blowing up is a billion to one) (more false info, isn't it?)
> > >
> > > "the scientific method has "self-correcting mechanisms" that ensure
> > > that, eventually, the truth will prevail.
> > > Unfortunately for all of us, Wilson makes a convincing argument that
> > > those self-correcting mechanisms are broken."
> > >
> > > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> > >
> > > it's broken.
> > >
> > > don't bother to fix it, it's too old...
> >
> > "For starters, there's a "replication crisis" in science."
> > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> >
> > Translation: "I no need to stinky fuckin replicate it!!!"
> 
> "...gravitational waves at the BICEP2 experiment in Antarctica,  — have now been retracted, with far less fanfare than when they were first published."
> http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> 
> Translation: gravitational waves have not been detected.
> 
> why do you guys fall for this false stuff....wishful thinkers? Your thing called Science, is over. There is nothing else to discover except false discoveries.


"Steven Levitt, of Freakonomics fame, largely built his career on a
paper arguing that abortion led to lower crime rates 20 years later
because the aborted babies were disproportionately future criminals. Two
economists went through the painstaking work of recoding Levitt's
statistical analysis — and found a basic arithmetic error."


"the aborted babies were disproportionately future criminals."????
http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken

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#571503

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 22:14 -0700
Message-ID<5715BE9A.136F@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571502
"much scientific research published today is false"
http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken



that include EVERYTHING published at  WikipediA 



EVERYTHING
published at  WikipediA 
today is false.



EVERYTHING!

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#571506

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 22:36 -0700
Message-ID<5715C3FA.60AD@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571503
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> "much scientific research published today is false"
> http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> 
> that include EVERYTHING published at  WikipediA
> 
> EVERYTHING
> published at  WikipediA
> today is false.
> 
> EVERYTHING!

Most medical information on Wikipedia is false, say researchers

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/045522_Wikipedia_medical_information_propaganda.html




Relying on Wikipedia for honest and legitimate information about science is a recipe for intellectual failure. --The Starmaker

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#571508

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 22:40 -0700
Message-ID<5715C4B9.BFB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571506
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > "much scientific research published today is false"
> > http://theweek.com/articles/618141/big-science-broken
> >
> > that include EVERYTHING published at  WikipediA
> >
> > EVERYTHING
> > published at  WikipediA
> > today is false.
> >
> > EVERYTHING!
> 
> Most medical information on Wikipedia is false, say researchers
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.naturalnews.com/045522_Wikipedia_medical_information_propaganda.html
> 
> Relying on Wikipedia for honest and legitimate information about science is a recipe for intellectual failure. --The Starmaker



"Wikipedia allows anonymous editing: contributors are not required to provide any identification, or even an email address."

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#571509

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 22:41 -0700
Message-ID<5715C513.7B6A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571508
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/education/2010/march/The-Top-10-Reasons-Students-Cannot-Cite-or-Rely-on-Wikipedia.html

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#571510

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-18 22:47 -0700
Message-ID<5715C65F.19C4@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571509
We do not expect you to trust us

It is in the nature of an ever-changing work like Wikipedia that, while
some articles are of the highest quality of scholarship, others are
admittedly complete rubbish. We are fully aware of what it is and what
it isn't. Also, because some articles may contain errors, please do not
use Wikipedia to make critical decisions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer

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