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  Elementary relativity problem richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2016-04-04 18:43 +0000
    Re: Elementary relativity problem Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-04-04 21:03 +0200
      Re: Elementary relativity problem Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-04 12:07 -0700
    Re: Elementary relativity problem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2016-04-04 15:17 -0400
    Re: Elementary relativity problem Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-04 20:25 +0000
      Re: Elementary relativity problem Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2016-04-04 19:20 -0400
        Re: Elementary relativity problem Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-05 01:28 +0000
    Re: Elementary relativity problem William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> - 2016-04-04 22:08 -0700
      Re: Elementary relativity problem benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 01:37 -0400
    Re: Elementary relativity problem "David Canzi" <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> - 2016-04-07 01:09 +0000

#567886 — Elementary relativity problem

According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
single day".  How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?

-- Richard

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#567893

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC), richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
(Richard Tobin) wrote:

>According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
>single day".  How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?
>
>-- Richard


I thought GAWD is omnipresent, 
HE is everywhere.
Like the ETHER.

Travelling GAWDS are new to me.


w.

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#567894

On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-7, Helmut Wabnig wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC), richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk
> (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> 
> >According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
> >single day".  How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?
> >
> >-- Richard
> 
> 
> I thought GAWD is omnipresent, 
> HE is everywhere.
> Like the ETHER.
> 
> Travelling GAWDS are new to me.
> 
> 
> w.


Just do the math!

Double-A

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#567901

On 4/4/2016 2:43 PM, Richard Tobin wrote:

> According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
> single day".  How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?

I think that it is the resident of Paradise who is experiencing
the 1000 years as a day, not (necessarily) the earth.
So, I would ask the question "How fast would I (in heaven)
be traveling relative to God?"

Although, come to think of it it works both ways doesn't it?
Is there also a verse somewhere that says something like
"a day for You in my sight is as a thousand years"?

As a bonus, the hyper-relativistic-God theory explains
how He can do all that sparrow-watching. How many years
would it take an ex-sparrow to hit the ground?

Anyway:

  gamma = 1/sqrt( 1 - beta^2 )
        = (1000 years)/( 1 day ) = 365242.2

  beta = v/c
       = 1 - 1/(2*gamma^2)
       = 1 - 3.748e-12

c = 299792458 m/s

v = c - 1.124 millimeters/second

So, fast.

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#567927

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 18:43:22 +0000, Richard Tobin wrote:

> According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
> single day".  How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?

	What a pathetic little god that is, that needs to travel.

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#567960

On 4/4/2016 4:25 PM, Jens Stuckelberger wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 18:43:22 +0000, Richard Tobin wrote:

>> According to Psalm 90:4,
>> "a thousand years are in your sight but a single day".
>>   How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?
>
> What a pathetic little god that is, that needs to travel.

If God were traveling faster than light
    (which maybe there would be some Bible verse
    that could be read that way -- I don't know)
it wouldn't be pathetic at all.

    There was a young lady named Bright,
    Whose speed was far faster than light;
    She started one day
    In a relative way,
    And returned on the previous night.

       -- A. H. Reginald Buller in Punch (Dec. 19, 1923): 591.

There is a saying:
"Special relativity, causality, faster-than-light: pick any two.

I'm not sure how breaking causality would work --
having an UNDO button for reality? -- but it wouldn't
seem at all pathetic to me.

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#567976

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:20:28 -0400, Jim Burns wrote:

> I'm not sure how breaking causality would work --
> having an UNDO button for reality? -- but it wouldn't seem at all
> pathetic to me.

	A god that needs to travel is intrinsically pathetic. If you are 
a god, you are just there.

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#567991

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Richard Tobin wrote:

> According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
> single day".  How fast is God traveling relative to the earth?

t' = t/sqr(1 - v^2 / c^2)
1 - v^2 / c^2 = t^2 / t'^2
v/c = sqr(1 - t^2 / t'^2) = sqr(1 - 7.89*10^-12) =~ 1.0000...

Clearly god travels at light speed.
"In the beginning was the light."

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#567993

On 04/05/2016 01:08 AM, William Elliot wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016, Richard Tobin wrote:
>
>> According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
>> single day".  How fast is God traveling relative to the earth?
>
> t' = t/sqr(1 - v^2 / c^2)
> 1 - v^2 / c^2 = t^2 / t'^2
> v/c = sqr(1 - t^2 / t'^2) = sqr(1 - 7.89*10^-12) =~ 1.0000...
>
> Clearly god travels at light speed.
> "In the beginning was the light."

Well, here is one of HVAC's favorite people. The kind that believe the 
earth is just 3000 years old.



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#568447

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC),
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>According to Psalm 90:4, "a thousand years are in your sight but a
>single day".  How fast is God travelling relative to the earth?
>
>-- Richard

If God was going past the earth at a very high speed, the passage
of a short time on earth would be measured by God as a much
longer time.  A day of earth's time would, in God's sight, be a
thousand years.  The special theory of relativity can't produce the
effect described in the psalm at any speed, but the general theory
can if God hovers just outside the event horizon of a black hole.

-- 
David Canzi		| Life is too short to point out every mistake. |

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