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Where Time Is It?

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
Last post2015-12-26 10:23 -0800
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  Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
    Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
              Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
                Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
                  Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
                    Re: Where Time Is It? dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 04:24 -0800
              Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-23 03:50 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:05 +0100
    Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:14 +0100
      Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:25 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:17 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-24 15:48 +0000
          Re: Where Time Is It? wugi <brol@brol.be> - 2015-12-24 22:33 +0100
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:50 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-27 19:05 +0000
              Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:50 +0100
            Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-27 20:54 +0100
        Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 12:32 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 22:48 -0800
          Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:51 +0100
    Re: Where Time Is It? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-23 19:24 +1100
    Re: Where Time Is It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:36 -0800
    Re: Where Time Is It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:23 -0800

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#540901 — Where Time Is It?

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
SubjectWhere Time Is It?
Message-ID<5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com>
I still cannot get over how people say
space time are both spacetime
but then they claim time is
in some other dimension..like a 4th.


Time exist
in the 3rd dimension..
not some imaginary
4th, 5th, etc.

There is no 4th dimension.

It's not Science...it's science fiction.

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#540907

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
Message-ID<LOCdndsljKF-VuTLnZ2dnUU7-eWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#540901
On 12/22/15 4:08 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.


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#540913

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
Message-ID<n5cjfq$tbs$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#540901

Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com...

|I still cannot get over how people say
|space time are both spacetime
|but then they claim time is
|in some other dimension..like a 4th.

What is here to get over?
A bunch of idiots cheerfully mumbles.
That's all. 

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#540973

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
Message-ID<567A3EBA.1FF3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#540901
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> Time exist
> in the 3rd dimension..
> not some imaginary
> 4th, 5th, etc.
> 
> There is no 4th dimension.
> 
> It's not Science...it's science fiction.


For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
exist.

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#540980

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
Message-ID<n5dh62$9hm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#540973
Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> I still cannot get over how people say
>> space time are both spacetime
>> but then they claim time is
>> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>>
>> Time exist
>> in the 3rd dimension..
>> not some imaginary
>> 4th, 5th, etc.
>>
>> There is no 4th dimension.
>>
>> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
> 
> 
> For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
> exist.
> 
Anything, nonsense or not,
looks like nonsense before you understand it.

So saying something is nonsense
before you understand it is - nonsense.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540984

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
Message-ID<567A4EE2.467D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#540980
Poutnik wrote:
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> I still cannot get over how people say
> >> space time are both spacetime
> >> but then they claim time is
> >> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> >>
> >> Time exist
> >> in the 3rd dimension..
> >> not some imaginary
> >> 4th, 5th, etc.
> >>
> >> There is no 4th dimension.
> >>
> >> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
> >
> >
> > For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
> > exist.
> >
> Anything, nonsense or not,
> looks like nonsense before you understand it.
> 
> So saying something is nonsense
> before you understand it is - nonsense.


How many dimensions does a square have? 2

How many dimensions does a cube have? 3




 Where Time Is It?

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#540986

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
Message-ID<n5dj6o$e7v$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#540984
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote:
>>
>> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I still cannot get over how people say
>>>> space time are both spacetime
>>>> but then they claim time is
>>>> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
>>>>
>>>> Time exist
>>>> in the 3rd dimension..
>>>> not some imaginary
>>>> 4th, 5th, etc.
>>>>
>>>> There is no 4th dimension.
>>>>
>>>> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
>>>
>>>
>>> For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
>>> exist.
>>>
>> Anything, nonsense or not,
>> looks like nonsense before you understand it.
>>
>> So saying something is nonsense
>> before you understand it is - nonsense.
> 
> 
> How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> 
> How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> 
Dimension values of both depend on time,
respectively your speed wrt them,
and time is contained in speed.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540987

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
Message-ID<n5djjd$g2c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#540984
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
>  Where Time Is It?

You need to start think about dimensions
as number of independent values
needed to describe the point position.

3 dimensions are not enough anymore,
pointing to different points
for mutually moving observers.

Points determined by 4 coordinates of space-time
always points to the same point.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540988

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
Message-ID<n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#540984
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):

> 
> How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> 

2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube
as a square cube only at a special circumstance
from many other possibilities.

Generally 4 dimensions are needed
for their proper shapes and placements.

Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space
only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540991

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30e44075a3c2c4a2989d21@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#540988
In article <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> 
> > 
> > How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> > 
> 
> 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube
> as a square cube only at a special circumstance
> from many other possibilities.
> 
> Generally 4 dimensions are needed
> for their proper shapes and placements.
> 
> Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space
> only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate.

Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.

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#541003

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
Message-ID<n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#540991
Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a):
> 
> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
> one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
>

Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting
is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them.

There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups.

Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ?

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#541006

From"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
Message-ID<MPG.30e456d29e28a707989d24@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#541003
In article <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
> 
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a):
> > 
> > Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
> > one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
> > Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
> > makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
> >
> 
> Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting
> is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them.

Why do you answer any of them?
 
> There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups.

So what?  
 
> Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ?

Because pretty soon there's going to be another huge stack of posts from 
you replying to the idiot.

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#541010

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
Message-ID<n5e2so$21e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#541006
Dne 23/12/2015 v 13:00 J. Clarke napsal(a):
> In article <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a):
>>>
>>> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single 
>>> one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike 
>>> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot 
>>> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
>>>
>>
>> Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting
>> is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them.
> 
> Why do you answer any of them?

Why do you ever react ?
His post are at least to topic, even if he has no clue.
>  
>> There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups.
> 
> So what?  

So that. Focus on them.
>  
>> Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ?
> 
> Because pretty soon there's going to be another huge stack of posts from 
> you replying to the idiot.

Are you sure you are much better,
posting meta posts ?

It is like saying I am not salting my soup
because there is too little of salt.

For now, your posts approach trolling.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#541015

Fromdobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 04:24 -0800
Message-ID<0185be36-1001-4b70-a2a7-c1f8782362fa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#541010
time is not physical magnitude. it serves only as quantifier for how much quantity of that sort. if the quantity is 1 you say "time" that kind of thing if the quantities are other you say times that kind of stuff. so time and times are nothing but "x" or "*" symbols from math. how do you read the multiplying operator in math if not "times" ???

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#541528

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
Message-ID<567DA4CD.1DA6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#540991
J. Clarke wrote:
> 
> In article <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says...
> >
> > Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> >
> > >
> > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2
> > > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3
> > >
> >
> > 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube
> > as a square cube only at a special circumstance
> > from many other possibilities.
> >
> > Generally 4 dimensions are needed
> > for their proper shapes and placements.
> >
> > Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space
> > only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate.
> 
> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something?  You reply to every single
> one of his lunatic posts.  I don't want to killfile you because unlike
> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot
> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.



The person with the complaint, is the person with the problem. - The Starmaker

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#541001

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
Message-ID<n5e03d$865$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#540984

Użytkownik "The Starmaker"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:567A4EE2.467D@ix.netcom.com...


|How many dimensions does a square have? 2
|How many dimensions does a cube have? 3

Squares and cubes are euclidean. According to
The Shit, there is no such things. 

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#540999

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
Message-ID<n5dvq7$7va$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#540980

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:n5dh62$9hm$1@dont-email.me...


|Anything, nonsense or not,
|looks like nonsense before you understand it.

Does it really?
Have you heard about duck test, poor idiot? 

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#541005

From"kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com>
Date2015-12-23 03:50 -0800
Message-ID<cd311d6f-059a-4603-a39e-2fd44ec824ea@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#540980
On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 2:09:19 AM UTC-5, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a):
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> I still cannot get over how people say
> >> space time are both spacetime
> >> but then they claim time is
> >> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> >>
> >> Time exist
> >> in the 3rd dimension..
> >> not some imaginary
> >> 4th, 5th, etc.
> >>
> >> There is no 4th dimension.
> >>
> >> It's not Science...it's science fiction.
> > 
> > 
> > For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not
> > exist.
> > 
> Anything, nonsense or not,
> looks like nonsense before you understand it.
> 
> So saying something is nonsense
> before you understand it is - nonsense.
> 
> -- 
> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

Is that related to the Russian 'sputnik'?

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#541008

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2015-12-23 13:05 +0100
Message-ID<n5e2i2$ro$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#541005
Dne 23/12/2015 v 12:50 kquirici@yahoo.com napsal(a):

>>
>> -- 
>> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
> 
> Is that related to the Russian 'sputnik'?
> 
Exactly this question was today raised and answered. :-)

It is related via old Slavonic roots,
both about the journey.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sputnik

sputnik (n.) Look up sputnik at Dictionary.com
    "artificial satellite," extended from the name of the one launched
by the Soviet Union Oct. 4, 1957, from Russian sputnik "satellite,"
literally "traveling companion" (in this use short for sputnik zemlyi,
"traveling companion of the Earth") from Old Church Slavonic supotiniku,
from Russian so-, s- "with, together" + put' "path, way," from Old
Church Slavonic poti, from PIE *pent- "to tread, go" (see find (v.)) +
agent suffix -nik.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#540979

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
Message-ID<567A452C.1EA9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#540901
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> I still cannot get over how people say
> space time are both spacetime
> but then they claim time is
> in some other dimension..like a 4th.
> 
> Time exist
> in the 3rd dimension..
> not some imaginary
> 4th, 5th, etc.
> 
> There is no 4th dimension.
> 
> It's not Science...it's science fiction.


In other words,

if you cannot

observe or test

a 4th dimension...

then it's not science.


It's science fiction.


Now,
why do others
say
Time
is the 4th dimension...
i have no idea.

It's insanity.

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