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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-12-26 10:23 -0800 |
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Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 16:17 -0600
Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-22 23:39 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:27 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:09 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 23:36 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:43 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:50 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:57 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 05:24 -0500
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:31 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 07:00 -0500
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:11 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 04:24 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 12:19 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:21 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:16 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-23 03:50 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 13:05 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 22:54 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:14 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 08:25 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-23 12:17 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-24 15:48 +0000
Re: Where Time Is It? wugi <brol@brol.be> - 2015-12-24 22:33 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:50 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-27 19:05 +0000
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:50 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-12-27 20:54 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 12:32 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-24 22:48 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 17:51 +0100
Re: Where Time Is It? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-12-23 19:24 +1100
Re: Where Time Is It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 12:36 -0800
Re: Where Time Is It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:23 -0800
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-22 14:08 -0800 |
| Subject | Where Time Is It? |
| Message-ID | <5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com> |
I still cannot get over how people say space time are both spacetime but then they claim time is in some other dimension..like a 4th. Time exist in the 3rd dimension.. not some imaginary 4th, 5th, etc. There is no 4th dimension. It's not Science...it's science fiction.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-22 16:17 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LOCdndsljKF-VuTLnZ2dnUU7-eWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #540901 |
On 12/22/15 4:08 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > I still cannot get over how people say > space time are both spacetime > but then they claim time is > in some other dimension..like a 4th. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-12-22 23:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5cjfq$tbs$1@node2.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #540901 |
Użytkownik "The Starmaker" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:5679C9C8.605E@ix.netcom.com... |I still cannot get over how people say |space time are both spacetime |but then they claim time is |in some other dimension..like a 4th. What is here to get over? A bunch of idiots cheerfully mumbles. That's all.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-22 22:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <567A3EBA.1FF3@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #540901 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > I still cannot get over how people say > space time are both spacetime > but then they claim time is > in some other dimension..like a 4th. > > Time exist > in the 3rd dimension.. > not some imaginary > 4th, 5th, etc. > > There is no 4th dimension. > > It's not Science...it's science fiction. For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not exist.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 08:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5dh62$9hm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #540973 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a): > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> I still cannot get over how people say >> space time are both spacetime >> but then they claim time is >> in some other dimension..like a 4th. >> >> Time exist >> in the 3rd dimension.. >> not some imaginary >> 4th, 5th, etc. >> >> There is no 4th dimension. >> >> It's not Science...it's science fiction. > > > For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not > exist. > Anything, nonsense or not, looks like nonsense before you understand it. So saying something is nonsense before you understand it is - nonsense. -- Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-22 23:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <567A4EE2.467D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #540980 |
Poutnik wrote: > > Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a): > > The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> I still cannot get over how people say > >> space time are both spacetime > >> but then they claim time is > >> in some other dimension..like a 4th. > >> > >> Time exist > >> in the 3rd dimension.. > >> not some imaginary > >> 4th, 5th, etc. > >> > >> There is no 4th dimension. > >> > >> It's not Science...it's science fiction. > > > > > > For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not > > exist. > > > Anything, nonsense or not, > looks like nonsense before you understand it. > > So saying something is nonsense > before you understand it is - nonsense. How many dimensions does a square have? 2 How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 Where Time Is It?
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 08:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5dj6o$e7v$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #540984 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a): > Poutnik wrote: >> >> Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a): >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> I still cannot get over how people say >>>> space time are both spacetime >>>> but then they claim time is >>>> in some other dimension..like a 4th. >>>> >>>> Time exist >>>> in the 3rd dimension.. >>>> not some imaginary >>>> 4th, 5th, etc. >>>> >>>> There is no 4th dimension. >>>> >>>> It's not Science...it's science fiction. >>> >>> >>> For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not >>> exist. >>> >> Anything, nonsense or not, >> looks like nonsense before you understand it. >> >> So saying something is nonsense >> before you understand it is - nonsense. > > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2 > > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 > Dimension values of both depend on time, respectively your speed wrt them, and time is contained in speed. -- Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 08:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5djjd$g2c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #540984 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a): > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2 > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 > Where Time Is It? You need to start think about dimensions as number of independent values needed to describe the point position. 3 dimensions are not enough anymore, pointing to different points for mutually moving observers. Points determined by 4 coordinates of space-time always points to the same point. -- Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 08:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #540984 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a): > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2 > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 > 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube as a square cube only at a special circumstance from many other possibilities. Generally 4 dimensions are needed for their proper shapes and placements. Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate. -- Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 05:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30e44075a3c2c4a2989d21@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #540988 |
In article <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says... > > Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a): > > > > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2 > > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 > > > > 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube > as a square cube only at a special circumstance > from many other possibilities. > > Generally 4 dimensions are needed > for their proper shapes and placements. > > Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space > only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate. Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something? You reply to every single one of his lunatic posts. I don't want to killfile you because unlike Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 12:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #540991 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a): > > Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something? You reply to every single > one of his lunatic posts. I don't want to killfile you because unlike > Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot > makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_. > Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them. There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups. Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ? -- Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 07:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30e456d29e28a707989d24@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #541003 |
In article <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says... > > Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a): > > > > Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something? You reply to every single > > one of his lunatic posts. I don't want to killfile you because unlike > > Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot > > makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_. > > > > Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting > is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them. Why do you answer any of them? > There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups. So what? > Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ? Because pretty soon there's going to be another huge stack of posts from you replying to the idiot.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 13:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5e2so$21e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #541006 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 13:00 J. Clarke napsal(a): > In article <n5e0im$ppm$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says... >> >> Dne 23/12/2015 v 11:24 J. Clarke napsal(a): >>> >>> Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something? You reply to every single >>> one of his lunatic posts. I don't want to killfile you because unlike >>> Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot >>> makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_. >>> >> >> Keep personal offenses at the bay. Your counting >> is not good, as I definitely answer just to some of them. > > Why do you answer any of them? Why do you ever react ? His post are at least to topic, even if he has no clue. > >> There is much worse junks in the sci.physics* groups. > > So what? So that. Focus on them. > >> Why not to kill the thread or the subthread ? > > Because pretty soon there's going to be another huge stack of posts from > you replying to the idiot. Are you sure you are much better, posting meta posts ? It is like saying I am not salting my soup because there is too little of salt. For now, your posts approach trolling. -- Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 04:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0185be36-1001-4b70-a2a7-c1f8782362fa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #541010 |
time is not physical magnitude. it serves only as quantifier for how much quantity of that sort. if the quantity is 1 you say "time" that kind of thing if the quantities are other you say times that kind of stuff. so time and times are nothing but "x" or "*" symbols from math. how do you read the multiplying operator in math if not "times" ???
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-25 12:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <567DA4CD.1DA6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #540991 |
J. Clarke wrote: > > In article <n5djvp$h18$1@dont-email.me>, poutnik4nntp@gmail.com says... > > > > Dne 23/12/2015 v 08:36 The Starmaker napsal(a): > > > > > > > > How many dimensions does a square have? 2 > > > How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 > > > > > > > 2/3 dimensions describe a square/cube > > as a square cube only at a special circumstance > > from many other possibilities. > > > > Generally 4 dimensions are needed > > for their proper shapes and placements. > > > > Similarly 2 dimensions describe a point position in 3D space > > only if it by chance stays at supposed z coordinate. > > Are you Starmaker's girlfriend or something? You reply to every single > one of his lunatic posts. I don't want to killfile you because unlike > Starmaker you are not an idiot, but by replying to every post the idiot > makes you clutter up the newsgroup with _crap_. The person with the complaint, is the person with the problem. - The Starmaker
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 12:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5e03d$865$1@node2.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #540984 |
Użytkownik "The Starmaker" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:567A4EE2.467D@ix.netcom.com... |How many dimensions does a square have? 2 |How many dimensions does a cube have? 3 Squares and cubes are euclidean. According to The Shit, there is no such things.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 12:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5dvq7$7va$1@node2.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #540980 |
Użytkownik "Poutnik" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:n5dh62$9hm$1@dont-email.me... |Anything, nonsense or not, |looks like nonsense before you understand it. Does it really? Have you heard about duck test, poor idiot?
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| From | "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 03:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <cd311d6f-059a-4603-a39e-2fd44ec824ea@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #540980 |
On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 2:09:19 AM UTC-5, Poutnik wrote: > Dne 23/12/2015 v 07:27 The Starmaker napsal(a): > > The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> I still cannot get over how people say > >> space time are both spacetime > >> but then they claim time is > >> in some other dimension..like a 4th. > >> > >> Time exist > >> in the 3rd dimension.. > >> not some imaginary > >> 4th, 5th, etc. > >> > >> There is no 4th dimension. > >> > >> It's not Science...it's science fiction. > > > > > > For example if there was a 4th dimension, a inverse-square law could not > > exist. > > > Anything, nonsense or not, > looks like nonsense before you understand it. > > So saying something is nonsense > before you understand it is - nonsense. > > -- > Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer ) > > Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant. Is that related to the Russian 'sputnik'?
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-23 13:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n5e2i2$ro$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #541005 |
Dne 23/12/2015 v 12:50 kquirici@yahoo.com napsal(a):
>>
>> --
>> Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
>
> Is that related to the Russian 'sputnik'?
>
Exactly this question was today raised and answered. :-)
It is related via old Slavonic roots,
both about the journey.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=sputnik
sputnik (n.) Look up sputnik at Dictionary.com
"artificial satellite," extended from the name of the one launched
by the Soviet Union Oct. 4, 1957, from Russian sputnik "satellite,"
literally "traveling companion" (in this use short for sputnik zemlyi,
"traveling companion of the Earth") from Old Church Slavonic supotiniku,
from Russian so-, s- "with, together" + put' "path, way," from Old
Church Slavonic poti, from PIE *pent- "to tread, go" (see find (v.)) +
agent suffix -nik.
--
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-22 22:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <567A452C.1EA9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #540901 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > I still cannot get over how people say > space time are both spacetime > but then they claim time is > in some other dimension..like a 4th. > > Time exist > in the 3rd dimension.. > not some imaginary > 4th, 5th, etc. > > There is no 4th dimension. > > It's not Science...it's science fiction. In other words, if you cannot observe or test a 4th dimension... then it's not science. It's science fiction. Now, why do others say Time is the 4th dimension... i have no idea. It's insanity.
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