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Why is the universe flat?

Started bySam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
First post2015-10-16 19:26 -0500
Last post2015-11-02 12:22 -0800
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  Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 19:26 -0500
    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-16 20:44 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-17 15:14 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 22:18 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 22:21 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 22:34 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 09:26 -0700
            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:34 -0700
              Why is/isn't the cosmological constant's value a "real" mathematical infinitesimal?  was Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 14:55 -0700
              Re: Why is the universe flat? richard@microscitech.com - 2015-10-18 13:28 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:36 -0700
                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:17 -0700
                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 15:50 -0700
                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 16:33 -0700
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:20 -0700
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 22:37 -0700
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 22:58 -0700
                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 23:05 -0700
                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 23:15 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:49 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:09 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-17 12:03 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-17 12:26 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 04:45 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 14:32 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:03 -0500
          Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 09:55 -0700
            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:11 -0700
              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:27 -0500
              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:30 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:54 -0700
                  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:58 -0500
                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 11:45 -0700
                      Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:01 -0500
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:32 -0700
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:15 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:02 -0700
            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:08 -0500
              Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:24 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:29 -0500
            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:25 -0500
              Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:47 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:55 -0500
                  Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 11:35 -0700
                    Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:49 -0500
                      Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-20 07:10 -0700
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 09:58 -0500
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 12:32 -0700
                            Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 16:55 -0700
                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 21:06 -0700
                                Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 21:40 -0700
                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 00:03 -0700
                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 01:12 -0700
                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 02:42 -0700
                                      The Cosmological Constant is a real mathematical infinitesimal, Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 17:37 -0700
                                        free space w/ atoms therof noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 17:27 -0700
                                          Re: free space w/ atoms therof "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 17:46 -0700
                                          Re: free space w/ atoms therof "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 18:23 -0700
                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 19:58 -0700
                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 20:27 -0700
                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 21:51 -0700
                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 22:02 -0700
                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 23:10 -0700
                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 12:32 -0700
                                    ask why, that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 13:03 -0700
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-22 13:20 -0700
                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:47 -0700
                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:55 -0700
                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 16:56 -0500
                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 15:10 -0700
                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 19:08 -0500
                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 22:57 -0700
                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 08:57 -0500
                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 08:23 -0700
                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 10:44 -0500
                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 08:54 -0700
                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 11:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:12 -0700
                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-23 11:52 -0700
                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 12:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-23 22:56 -0700
                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 23:35 -0700
                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-24 22:43 -0700
                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-25 14:03 -0800
                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 15:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 10:40 -0800
                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 11:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 13:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 14:44 -0800
                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 15:05 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 17:35 -0800
                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 17:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 18:27 -0800
                                                                                Universe is curved locally, seems flat over teraparsecs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 18:40 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 19:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:03 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:26 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:34 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:42 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 21:00 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 05:42 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 10:01 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:16 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:24 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:26 -0800
                                                                                            inside & outside of cell noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 17:11 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 19:36 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 15:44 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:07 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:43 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:46 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 00:08 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 00:13 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:26 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:37 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:59 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:17 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:30 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 11:58 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:01 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 13:20 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:24 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:37 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:59 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:41 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 16:04 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:47 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 21:02 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:38 -0600
                                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:08 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:38 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 23:02 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:22 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:40 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:58 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
                                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 10:38 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 12:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Jeffrey Bannister <jban48@pannelcamarena.org> - 2015-11-01 19:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:22 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:07 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:34 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 16:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:40 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:42 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:40 -0600
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 11:00 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 14:29 -0800
                                                                                                                Universe is not locally flatwise noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 18:49 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:21 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:33 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:47 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 18:10 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 23:54 -0800
                                                                                  on, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 14:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 14:42 -0700
                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 19:12 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 03:12 -0400
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:08 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:10 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:56 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:49 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 13:50 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 16:45 -0500
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:39 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-19 14:23 -0700
        theodolites noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 19:13 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 10:17 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 15:05 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0600
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:22 -0800

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#529464

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-31 11:58 -0800
Message-ID<56351D7D.4DA4@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#529410
Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:11:47 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > world?
> > > >
> > > > In other words...
> > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > of communication instead of math?
> > >
> > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> >
> >
> > In other words...
> >
> > can you connect this:
> >
> >
> > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> >
> > to the real world? And translate into english??
> 
> A triangle is defined by three sides,
> or, three angles and one side.
> 
> This is a statement of the resource terms
> of representations.
> 
> "Measuring the area of a triangle" is a
> usual feature of a geometry.



Who said anything by a "triangle"??


In geometry, a tetrahedron (plural: tetrahedra or tetrahedrons) is a polyhedron composed of four triangular faces, six straight edges, and four vertex corners.




ain't you missing one side, (or was you cutting classes that day?)?



It's the end of the road for you, isn't it?



and btw, this idea that the universe/space/time is..infinitysium is just an ...assumption.

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#529465

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 12:01 -0700
Message-ID<58480c77-eefc-4efa-8b73-06c0f0af93b0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529464
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:11:47 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > > world?
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words...
> > > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > > of communication instead of math?
> > > >
> > > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> > >
> > >
> > > In other words...
> > >
> > > can you connect this:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > >
> > > to the real world? And translate into english??
> > 
> > A triangle is defined by three sides,
> > or, three angles and one side.
> > 
> > This is a statement of the resource terms
> > of representations.
> > 
> > "Measuring the area of a triangle" is a
> > usual feature of a geometry.
> 
> 
> 
> Who said anything by a "triangle"??
> 
> 
> In geometry, a tetrahedron (plural: tetrahedra or tetrahedrons) is a polyhedron composed of four triangular faces, six straight edges, and four vertex corners.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ain't you missing one side, (or was you cutting classes that day?)?
> 
> 
> 
> It's the end of the road for you, isn't it?
> 
> 
> 
> and btw, this idea that the universe/space/time is..infinitysium is just an ...assumption.

No, that the universe is infinite 
is courtesy deductive inference.

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#529505

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-31 13:20 -0800
Message-ID<563530B8.6844@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#529465
Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:11:47 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > > > world?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In other words...
> > > > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > > > of communication instead of math?
> > > > >
> > > > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In other words...
> > > >
> > > > can you connect this:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > >
> > > > to the real world? And translate into english??
> > >
> > > A triangle is defined by three sides,
> > > or, three angles and one side.
> > >
> > > This is a statement of the resource terms
> > > of representations.
> > >
> > > "Measuring the area of a triangle" is a
> > > usual feature of a geometry.
> >
> >
> >
> > Who said anything by a "triangle"??
> >
> >
> > In geometry, a tetrahedron (plural: tetrahedra or tetrahedrons) is a polyhedron composed of four triangular faces, six straight edges, and four vertex corners.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ain't you missing one side, (or was you cutting classes that day?)?
> >
> >
> >
> > It's the end of the road for you, isn't it?
> >
> >
> >
> > and btw, this idea that the universe/space/time is..infinitysium is just an ...assumption.
> 
> No, that the universe is infinite
> is courtesy deductive inference.


It's the same thing.

a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
https://www.google.com/#q=define+assumption


"if the premises are true,..."
https://www.google.com/#q=define+deductive+inference

a previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or
follows as a conclusion.
"if the premise is true, then the conclusion must be true"
https://www.google.com/#q=define+premise



synonyms: "premise" supposition, presumption, belief, expectation,
conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, "premise", hypothesis;
https://www.google.com/#q=define+assumption



"IF"


https://www.google.com/#q=define+if



So, I repeat: this idea that the universe/space/time is..infinite is
just an ...assumption.



the theory of space and time is ...just a theory.

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#529507

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 15:24 -0500
Message-ID<Ee6dnbZyeIkNvqjLnZ2dnUU7-WWdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#529505
On 10/31/15 4:20 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> the theory of space and time is ...just a theory.

   Perhaps a refresher:

   Why is the universe flat?
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA


 > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
 > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
 > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
 > Problem and the Flatness Problem.





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#529543

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-31 15:02 -0800
Message-ID<56354882.10BC@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#529507
Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 10/31/15 4:20 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > the theory of space and time is ...just a theory.
> 
>    Perhaps a refresher:
> 
>    Why is the universe flat?
>  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> 
>  > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
>  > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
>  > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
>  > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> 


"to answer"??

No, not to answer....to figure out how to plug up the holes. a fix...a
bandage.

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#529548

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 15:37 -0700
Message-ID<6a3c8d90-da65-474b-bf4a-380f3aa58570@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529543
Cosmic inflation is a logical impossibility.

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#529550

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 15:59 -0700
Message-ID<8cf3ebf1-ca5e-4df4-9347-05c75ffa131b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529505
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:20:50 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 11:58:50 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:11:47 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > > > > world?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In other words...
> > > > > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > > > > of communication instead of math?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words...
> > > > >
> > > > > can you connect this:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > >
> > > > > to the real world? And translate into english??
> > > >
> > > > A triangle is defined by three sides,
> > > > or, three angles and one side.
> > > >
> > > > This is a statement of the resource terms
> > > > of representations.
> > > >
> > > > "Measuring the area of a triangle" is a
> > > > usual feature of a geometry.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Who said anything by a "triangle"??
> > >
> > >
> > > In geometry, a tetrahedron (plural: tetrahedra or tetrahedrons) is a polyhedron composed of four triangular faces, six straight edges, and four vertex corners.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ain't you missing one side, (or was you cutting classes that day?)?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's the end of the road for you, isn't it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > and btw, this idea that the universe/space/time is..infinitysium is just an ...assumption.
> > 
> > No, that the universe is infinite
> > is courtesy deductive inference.
> 
> 
> It's the same thing.
> 
> a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+assumption
> 
> 
> "if the premises are true,..."
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+deductive+inference
> 
> a previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or
> follows as a conclusion.
> "if the premise is true, then the conclusion must be true"
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+premise
> 
> 
> 
> synonyms: "premise" supposition, presumption, belief, expectation,
> conjecture, speculation, surmise, guess, "premise", hypothesis;
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+assumption
> 
> 
> 
> "IF"
> 
> 
> https://www.google.com/#q=define+if
> 
> 
> 
> So, I repeat: this idea that the universe/space/time is..infinite is
> just an ...assumption.
> 
> 
> 
> the theory of space and time is ...just a theory.

No, if the universe was finite, all the reference 
frames would be one reference frame.

That is a general outline as to why it _is_ 
infinite (and not just unbounded as to light 
over time).

Basically it would be a contradiction for the 
universe to not be infinite.

(This also has for MWI that one of the MWI 
"Universe"'s is sole, back to SWI or a Universe.)

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#529508

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 15:25 -0500
Message-ID<Ee6dnbFyeIkkvqjLnZ2dnUU7-WUAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#529465
On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> No, that the universe is infinite
> is courtesy deductive inference.

   Perhaps a refresher:

   Why is the universe flat?
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA


 > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
 > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
 > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
 > Problem and the Flatness Problem.




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#529540

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 14:41 -0700
Message-ID<5582ce0c-ecae-414f-89c9-321d81df9526@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529508
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > No, that the universe is infinite
> > is courtesy deductive inference.
> 
>    Perhaps a refresher:
> 
>    Why is the universe flat?
>  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> 
> 
>  > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
>  > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
>  > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
>  > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert

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#529552

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 16:04 -0700
Message-ID<5b49359f-ccf2-41ad-9d54-73ff5c9177da@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529540
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 2:42:02 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > No, that the universe is infinite
> > > is courtesy deductive inference.
> > 
> >    Perhaps a refresher:
> > 
> >    Why is the universe flat?
> >  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> > 
> > 
> >  > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
> >  > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
> >  > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
> >  > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> > 
> >
 > The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert


Expansion can be seen as an experimental effect.  

The farther you look, the more there is, 
the closer you look, the smaller things are.

Still, there is besides the astronomical / 
cosmological measurements the simple expansion 
of light's travel over time, again this has to 
be balanced with, for example, that galaxy 
distribution is uniform (no apparent origin of 
the Universe / the Universe and its origin is 
everywhere).

So, light's travel over time, since the Big Bang 
then as regards to heat and cold death or entropy, 
(or the gradient), still sees that space is 
pretty much isotropic in the large and the uniform 
and the regular.  

Again, this is opinion, neatly a theoretical 
opinion, for a theoretical mathematical physics.

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#529620

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-31 20:47 -0800
Message-ID<56359979.2036@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#529552
Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 2:42:02 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > No, that the universe is infinite
> > > > is courtesy deductive inference.
> > >
> > >    Perhaps a refresher:
> > >
> > >    Why is the universe flat?
> > >  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> > >
> > >
> > >  > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
> > >  > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
> > >  > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
> > >  > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> > >
> > >
>  > The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert
> 
> Expansion can be seen as an experimental effect.
> 
> The farther you look, the more there is,
> the closer you look, the smaller things are.


the smaller things are, the closer you look..
and the farther you look ...closer, the more there is
in the smaller things there are.

The more things there are, the closer you look..
and the farther you look ...closer, the more there is
in the smaller things.




















> 
> Still, there is besides the astronomical /
> cosmological measurements the simple expansion
> of light's travel over time, again this has to
> be balanced with, for example, that galaxy
> distribution is uniform (no apparent origin of
> the Universe / the Universe and its origin is
> everywhere).
> 
> So, light's travel over time, since the Big Bang
> then as regards to heat and cold death or entropy,
> (or the gradient), still sees that space is
> pretty much isotropic in the large and the uniform
> and the regular.
> 
> Again, this is opinion, neatly a theoretical
> opinion, for a theoretical mathematical physics.

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#529623

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 21:02 -0700
Message-ID<f8b91f82-0418-4373-977d-1521e0d13212@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529620
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:47:42 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 2:42:02 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > > On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > > No, that the universe is infinite
> > > > > is courtesy deductive inference.
> > > >
> > > >    Perhaps a refresher:
> > > >
> > > >    Why is the universe flat?
> > > >  > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
> > > >  > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
> > > >  > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
> > > >  > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> >  > The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert
> > 
> > Expansion can be seen as an experimental effect.
> > 
> > The farther you look, the more there is,
> > the closer you look, the smaller things are.
> 
> 
> the smaller things are, the closer you look..
> and the farther you look ...closer, the more there is
> in the smaller things there are.
> 
> The more things there are, the closer you look..
> and the farther you look ...closer, the more there is
> in the smaller things.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Still, there is besides the astronomical /
> > cosmological measurements the simple expansion
> > of light's travel over time, again this has to
> > be balanced with, for example, that galaxy
> > distribution is uniform (no apparent origin of
> > the Universe / the Universe and its origin is
> > everywhere).
> > 
> > So, light's travel over time, since the Big Bang
> > then as regards to heat and cold death or entropy,
> > (or the gradient), still sees that space is
> > pretty much isotropic in the large and the uniform
> > and the regular.
> > 
> > Again, this is opinion, neatly a theoretical
> > opinion, for a theoretical mathematical physics.

https://www.google.com/#q=NIST+CODATA

Look more closely!

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#529677

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-01 07:38 -0600
Message-ID<782dneWkEqkniKvLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#529620
On 10/31/15 11:47 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> the smaller things are, the closer you look..
> and the farther you look ...closer, the more there is
> in the smaller things there are.


   Nope -- measurements of size are independent of how you are
   looking at an object (not moving in your reference frame).

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#529791

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-11-01 15:08 -0800
Message-ID<56369B87.5764@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#529677
Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 10/31/15 11:47 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > the smaller things are, the closer you look..
> > and the farther you look ...closer, the more there is
> > in the smaller things there are.
> 
>    Nope -- measurements of size are independent of how you are
>    looking at an object (not moving in your reference frame).
> 


I wasn't talking about objects...
I was talking about
information contained in space..
a small area of space.

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#529800

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-01 15:38 -0800
Message-ID<34369f5a-709d-42fd-a657-e9199f6e6e65@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529791
Information is scalable

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#529610

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 23:02 -0400
Message-ID<5hfZx.10104$ma6.737@fx18.iad>
In reply to#529540
On 10/31/2015 05:41 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>> No, that the universe is infinite
>>> is courtesy deductive inference.
>>
>>     Perhaps a refresher:
>>
>>     Why is the universe flat?
>>   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
>>
>>
>>   > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
>>   > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
>>   > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
>>   > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
>>
>>
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> The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert
>
Sad that it's all bullshit and you are too dumb to know otherwise. 
Wormley has trained you well. Parrot!

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#529615

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 20:22 -0700
Message-ID<4a2eb16d-6833-45d4-85c3-622084252b6c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529610
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 10/31/2015 05:41 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >>> No, that the universe is infinite
> >>> is courtesy deductive inference.
> >>
> >>     Perhaps a refresher:
> >>
> >>     Why is the universe flat?
> >>   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> >>
> >>
> >>   > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
> >>   > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
> >>   > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
> >>   > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> >>
> > The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert
> >
> Sad that it's all bullshit and you are too dumb to know otherwise. 
> Wormley has trained you well. Parrot!
> 


Don't worry.  If it's useless to physics, 
it will just fall out.

That's also a nice thing about numbers.  
They do what they do automatically.

We got Einstein over here too, and he 
says the Universe is infinite or you're 
stupid.

I wouldn't insult your intelligence.
I'll let intelligence do it!

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#529619

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-31 20:40 -0800
Message-ID<563597C8.15AF@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#529615
Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> > On 10/31/2015 05:41 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > >> On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >>> No, that the universe is infinite
> > >>> is courtesy deductive inference.
> > >>
> > >>     Perhaps a refresher:
> > >>
> > >>     Why is the universe flat?
> > >>   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
> > >>   > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
> > >>   > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
> > >>   > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> > >>
> > > The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert
> > >
> > Sad that it's all bullshit and you are too dumb to know otherwise.
> > Wormley has trained you well. Parrot!
> >
> 
> Don't worry.  If it's useless to physics,
> it will just fall out.
> 
> That's also a nice thing about numbers.
> They do what they do automatically.
> 
> We got Einstein over here too, and he
> says the Universe is infinite or you're
> stupid.


But Einstein says the Universe is infinite based on...his theory, which
hasn't been proven, it's just his assumption.


maybe "infinite" is a coverup.

Something Einstein came up with to fix something else...he probably
simply...changed the facts to fit his theory.

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#529622

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 20:58 -0700
Message-ID<6ac0f852-9ed5-46a1-b594-05c821d4b27e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529619
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:40:29 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> > > On 10/31/2015 05:41 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:25:32 PM UTC-7, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > > >> On 10/31/15 2:01 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > >>> No, that the universe is infinite
> > > >>> is courtesy deductive inference.
> > > >>
> > > >>     Perhaps a refresher:
> > > >>
> > > >>     Why is the universe flat?
> > > >>   > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTUsOWtxKKA
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>   > Cosmic inflation is a theory that was proposed in the 1980s by
> > > >>   > cosmologist Alan Guth to answer some of the most fundamental
> > > >>   > questions of the origins of our universe. It also solved the Horizon
> > > >>   > Problem and the Flatness Problem.
> > > >>
> > > > The universe seems infinite to us because its so big,and getting bigger at am accelerating rate.Its inflating however that makes it finite.Sad but reality. TreBert
> > > >
> > > Sad that it's all bullshit and you are too dumb to know otherwise.
> > > Wormley has trained you well. Parrot!
> > >
> > 
> > Don't worry.  If it's useless to physics,
> > it will just fall out.
> > 
> > That's also a nice thing about numbers.
> > They do what they do automatically.
> > 
> > We got Einstein over here too, and he
> > says the Universe is infinite or you're
> > stupid.
> 
> 
> But Einstein says the Universe is infinite based on...his theory, which
> hasn't been proven, it's just his assumption.
> 
> 
> maybe "infinite" is a coverup.
> 
> Something Einstein came up with to fix something else...he probably
> simply...changed the facts to fit his theory.


I got an answer for ya!


Time goes back forever, 
Space goes on forever.

If I have a point here it's this:  
Einstein with the cosmological constant, 
and Planck with Planck's c and C, 
have those those for placeholders for that 
Planck's c and Einstein's cosmological constant 
are greater than zero and less than any fixed 
value.  Their value is an infinitesimal, and the 
real infinitesimals exist as the total partitioning 
of their range.  This exactly fits with the usual 
role of the infinitesimal in the usual role of the 
differential of the integral calculus.  Also:  there 
are features for effect of the infinitesimals, that 
discretization doubles the point width.  

Where you accept that's Einstein's formula, and, 
that "constant" exists in all interpretations of that, 
then to correlate and combine the effects of the 
large and small, will see that introduction of a 
proper mathematical foundation with the real 
with their own infinitesimals, automatically equips 
the existing theory with new features in effect.

It's not not an infinitesimal.

So, just as here Guth's is a re-sweeping accommodation 
of the big telescope in the large (and there are other 
Guth's), it's not final in the hysterisis of jumping over 
again the "constant's" value, but of all the resulting 
framework to accommodate each:  that it's larger than 
zero and less than a fixed scalar value.

I built a logic and a mathematics and a geometry for this 
that is simply discovered by anybody.

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#529680

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
Message-ID<782dneakEqlki6vLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#529622
On 10/31/15 10:58 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> Time goes back forever,
> Space goes on forever.

   Have you any empirical evidence for that claim?

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