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Why is the universe flat?

Started bySam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
First post2015-10-16 19:26 -0500
Last post2015-11-02 12:22 -0800
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  Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 19:26 -0500
    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-16 20:44 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-17 15:14 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 22:18 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 22:21 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 22:34 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 09:26 -0700
            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:34 -0700
              Why is/isn't the cosmological constant's value a "real" mathematical infinitesimal?  was Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 14:55 -0700
              Re: Why is the universe flat? richard@microscitech.com - 2015-10-18 13:28 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:36 -0700
                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:17 -0700
                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 15:50 -0700
                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 16:33 -0700
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:20 -0700
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 22:37 -0700
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 22:58 -0700
                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 23:05 -0700
                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 23:15 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:49 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:09 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-17 12:03 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-17 12:26 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 04:45 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 14:32 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:03 -0500
          Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 09:55 -0700
            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:11 -0700
              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:27 -0500
              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:30 -0500
                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:54 -0700
                  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:58 -0500
                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 11:45 -0700
                      Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:01 -0500
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:32 -0700
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:15 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:02 -0700
            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:08 -0500
              Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:24 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:29 -0500
            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:25 -0500
              Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:47 -0700
                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:55 -0500
                  Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 11:35 -0700
                    Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:49 -0500
                      Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-20 07:10 -0700
                        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 09:58 -0500
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 12:32 -0700
                            Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 16:55 -0700
                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 21:06 -0700
                                Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 21:40 -0700
                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 00:03 -0700
                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 01:12 -0700
                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 02:42 -0700
                                      The Cosmological Constant is a real mathematical infinitesimal, Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 17:37 -0700
                                        free space w/ atoms therof noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 17:27 -0700
                                          Re: free space w/ atoms therof "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 17:46 -0700
                                          Re: free space w/ atoms therof "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 18:23 -0700
                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 19:58 -0700
                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 20:27 -0700
                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 21:51 -0700
                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-21 22:02 -0700
                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 23:10 -0700
                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 12:32 -0700
                                    ask why, that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 13:03 -0700
                          Re: Why is the universe flat? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-22 13:20 -0700
                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:47 -0700
                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 14:55 -0700
                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 16:56 -0500
                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 15:10 -0700
                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 19:08 -0500
                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 22:57 -0700
                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 08:57 -0500
                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 08:23 -0700
                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 10:44 -0500
                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 08:54 -0700
                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 11:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:12 -0700
                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-23 11:52 -0700
                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 12:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-23 22:56 -0700
                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 23:35 -0700
                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-24 22:43 -0700
                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-25 14:03 -0800
                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 15:17 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 10:40 -0800
                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 11:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 13:43 -0800
                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 14:44 -0800
                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 15:05 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 17:35 -0800
                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 17:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 18:27 -0800
                                                                                Universe is curved locally, seems flat over teraparsecs noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 18:40 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 19:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:03 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:26 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:34 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:42 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 21:00 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 05:42 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 10:01 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:16 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:24 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:26 -0800
                                                                                            inside & outside of cell noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 17:11 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 19:36 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 15:44 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:07 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:43 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-28 23:46 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 00:08 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 00:13 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:26 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:37 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:51 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-29 10:59 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:17 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 06:30 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 11:58 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:01 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 13:20 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:24 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 15:02 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:37 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:59 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:41 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 16:04 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:47 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 21:02 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:38 -0600
                                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:08 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:38 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 23:02 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:22 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-31 20:40 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:58 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:43 -0600
                                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 10:38 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 12:55 -0600
                                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:02 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? Jeffrey Bannister <jban48@pannelcamarena.org> - 2015-11-01 19:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 13:22 -0600
                                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 15:07 -0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 15:34 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 16:18 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 17:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:10 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-01 23:19 -0800
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:46 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:40 -0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:42 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:40 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 12:21 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-27 14:33 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:47 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 18:10 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-26 23:54 -0800
                                                                                  on, re noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 12:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Why is the universe flat? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 14:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 14:42 -0700
                                                          Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 19:12 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 03:12 -0400
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 13:08 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-10-18 15:10 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:56 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:49 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 13:50 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 16:45 -0500
    Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 12:39 -0700
      Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-19 14:23 -0700
        theodolites noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 19:13 -0700
        Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 10:17 -0700
          Re: Why is the universe flat? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-10-24 15:05 -0700
    Re: Why is the universe flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:23 -0600
      Re: Why is the universe flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:22 -0800

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#528460

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-27 05:42 -0700
Message-ID<6ad97a00-8970-415d-b08a-19b618bdd7cf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528426
Ross said:

"Change is constant, there is a gradient. 

This is courtesy the "root probabilistic flaw". "

The thing about the Universe is that- by
definition- there is nothing else.
This means that, while parts of it can 
be different sizes than other parts, size
has no meaning for the whole thing.
So it can be constantly disintegrating
and disappearing at the 'large' end while
constantly being recreated at the
'small' end 

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#528471

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-27 10:01 -0500
Message-ID<sNydnR3p5f5_DLLLnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#528426
On 10/26/15 11:00 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> Change is constant, there is a gradient.


   Gradient has a precise definition in mathematics. Can you define
   what a gradient is and why you think it applies to an expanding
   universe?


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#528478

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-27 08:16 -0700
Message-ID<39817069-f8e4-4931-9dd1-5b7167770ab3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528421
On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:34:32 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:26:07 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> > Burnt-out stars are shredded when
> > they fall back into the galactic center
> > and the energy from absorbed
> > neutrinos is reinvested into jets of
> > HEPs (high-energy particles) which
> > blast outward at .9c and produce new
> > stars in a never-ending cycle.
> > Similarly, the energy that electrons
> > are constantly radiating is returned to
> > them by their protons in the same way;
> > the electrons constantly accelerating and
> > radiating but never running out, while
> > the protons are constantly absorbing
> > and gravitating but never overheating
> > in a never-ending cycle.
> > No BB.
> > No "heat death".
> > No BS.
> 
> Consider all of space-time somehow laid 
> out in this resulting "continuum".  First, 
> the three dimensions of space, have to fit 
> in the linear continuum.  So, kind of like 
> super-string looks to have three dimensions 
> to store the relevant information, for each 
> space dimension, here they are folded into 
> the infinitesimals and infinities of the one 
> dimension.  This is simply in numerical resource 
> terms.  
> 
> Then, and this is a "single-Universe" approach, 
> also it is so for time, then all of everything 
> for each instant of time started forever ago, 
> and, has conservation and symmetry about the 
> numerical resources as would represent each 
> point in an infinite space-time in a continuum.
> 
> So, BB Big Bang and SS Steady State are both, 
> from our perspective or that of observers, then 
> about where we are today, they're concurrent 
> interpretations of the continuum.
> 
> (Is the future already written out, no, I wouldn't 
> know that it was.)
> 
> And on we flow.
> 
> This is for "final cause" from "first principles" 
> for a purely logical mathematical physics that is 
> scientific.


One thing about the "spiral space-filling curve 
as a natural continuum" is that the associated 
geometry is of "points and spaces" instead of 
"points and lines".  So, that is an un-Euclidean 
geometry.

Of course, the "spiral space-filling curve as natural 
continuum" is the same thing in either the Euclidean 
or Finlaysonian geometric setting.

You'll find that each post has something in it and 
there is incremental development.  This is not 
rubber-stamp carbon-copy spam that the illiterate 
prefer to writing, of a distribution list.

I'll hope to write individual replies here.

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#528481

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-27 08:24 -0700
Message-ID<d018c978-b5ba-49bf-a638-07a7027e75eb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528478
On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:34:32 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:26:07 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> > > Burnt-out stars are shredded when
> > > they fall back into the galactic center
> > > and the energy from absorbed
> > > neutrinos is reinvested into jets of
> > > HEPs (high-energy particles) which
> > > blast outward at .9c and produce new
> > > stars in a never-ending cycle.
> > > Similarly, the energy that electrons
> > > are constantly radiating is returned to
> > > them by their protons in the same way;
> > > the electrons constantly accelerating and
> > > radiating but never running out, while
> > > the protons are constantly absorbing
> > > and gravitating but never overheating
> > > in a never-ending cycle.
> > > No BB.
> > > No "heat death".
> > > No BS.
> > 
> > Consider all of space-time somehow laid 
> > out in this resulting "continuum".  First, 
> > the three dimensions of space, have to fit 
> > in the linear continuum.  So, kind of like 
> > super-string looks to have three dimensions 
> > to store the relevant information, for each 
> > space dimension, here they are folded into 
> > the infinitesimals and infinities of the one 
> > dimension.  This is simply in numerical resource 
> > terms.  
> > 
> > Then, and this is a "single-Universe" approach, 
> > also it is so for time, then all of everything 
> > for each instant of time started forever ago, 
> > and, has conservation and symmetry about the 
> > numerical resources as would represent each 
> > point in an infinite space-time in a continuum.
> > 
> > So, BB Big Bang and SS Steady State are both, 
> > from our perspective or that of observers, then 
> > about where we are today, they're concurrent 
> > interpretations of the continuum.
> > 
> > (Is the future already written out, no, I wouldn't 
> > know that it was.)
> > 
> > And on we flow.
> > 
> > This is for "final cause" from "first principles" 
> > for a purely logical mathematical physics that is 
> > scientific.
> 
> 
> One thing about the "spiral space-filling curve 
> as a natural continuum" is that the associated 
> geometry is of "points and spaces" instead of 
> "points and lines".  So, that is an un-Euclidean 
> geometry.
> 
> Of course, the "spiral space-filling curve as natural 
> continuum" is the same thing in either the Euclidean 
> or Finlaysonian geometric setting.
> 
> You'll find that each post has something in it and 
> there is incremental development.  This is not 
> rubber-stamp carbon-copy spam that the illiterate 
> prefer to writing, of a distribution list.
> 
> I'll hope to write individual replies here.

(The lines are built from points already, 
the Finlaysonian and Euclidean geometries 
are equi-interpretable, for geometries of 
"points and spaces" as elements besides 
geometries of "points and lines" from 
Elements.)

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#528572

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-27 14:26 -0800
Message-ID<562FF9FE.6AD2@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528478
Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:34:32 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:26:07 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> > > Burnt-out stars are shredded when
> > > they fall back into the galactic center
> > > and the energy from absorbed
> > > neutrinos is reinvested into jets of
> > > HEPs (high-energy particles) which
> > > blast outward at .9c and produce new
> > > stars in a never-ending cycle.
> > > Similarly, the energy that electrons
> > > are constantly radiating is returned to
> > > them by their protons in the same way;
> > > the electrons constantly accelerating and
> > > radiating but never running out, while
> > > the protons are constantly absorbing
> > > and gravitating but never overheating
> > > in a never-ending cycle.
> > > No BB.
> > > No "heat death".
> > > No BS.
> >
> > Consider all of space-time somehow laid
> > out in this resulting "continuum".  First,
> > the three dimensions of space, have to fit
> > in the linear continuum.  So, kind of like
> > super-string looks to have three dimensions
> > to store the relevant information, for each
> > space dimension, here they are folded into
> > the infinitesimals and infinities of the one
> > dimension.  This is simply in numerical resource
> > terms.
> >
> > Then, and this is a "single-Universe" approach,
> > also it is so for time, then all of everything
> > for each instant of time started forever ago,
> > and, has conservation and symmetry about the
> > numerical resources as would represent each
> > point in an infinite space-time in a continuum.
> >
> > So, BB Big Bang and SS Steady State are both,
> > from our perspective or that of observers, then
> > about where we are today, they're concurrent
> > interpretations of the continuum.
> >
> > (Is the future already written out, no, I wouldn't
> > know that it was.)
> >
> > And on we flow.
> >
> > This is for "final cause" from "first principles"
> > for a purely logical mathematical physics that is
> > scientific.
> 
> One thing about the "spiral space-filling curve
> as a natural continuum" is that the associated
> geometry is of "points and spaces" instead of
> "points and lines".  So, that is an un-Euclidean
> geometry.



"un-Euclidean geometry"??? 

Did you mean: un-Euclidean un-geometry. 

or

Did you mean: Euclidean un-geometry.

or 

Did you mean: non-Euclidean -non-geometry.


or


Did you mean: non-Euclidean geometry?


Get your text right! Or use pictures...


It's bad enough
no one can understand what you are saying...
but when you use werds that don't exist in the 
english text language...i begin to wonder.


How many other things you write that isn't...real?


There doesn't seem to be any connection with what you are saying...and reality.

It's like some kind of...joke.


Are you with the C.I.A???? Maybe a Russian spy?  


Cause when you write stuff like  "un-Euclidean geometry"...and it doesn't exist...it's called a con in my book.


Don't we have enough con-artist in the 'scientific community'???? I mean un-scientific community..

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#528615 — inside & outside of cell

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-27 17:11 -0700
Subjectinside & outside of cell
Message-ID<023b10b5-9483-465a-903f-c20ed8e36a8f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528572
the formula per spatial duals, is
 facets plus vertices equals edges plus cells
(cells is two, when dealing with one "Eulerian polyhedron

> > One thing about the "spiral space-filling curve
> > as a natural continuum" is that the associated
> > geometry is of "points and spaces" instead of
> > "points and lines".  So, that is an un-Euclidean
> > geometry.
> 
> 
> 
> "un-Euclidean geometry"??? 
> 
> Did you mean: un-Euclidean un-geometry. 
> 
> or
> 
> Did you mean: Euclidean un-geometry.
> 
> or 
> 
> Did you mean: non-Euclidean -non-geometry.
> 
> 
> or
> 
> 
> Did you mean: non-Euclidean geometry?
> 
> 
> Get your text right! Or use pictures...
> 
> 
> It's bad enough
> no one can understand what you are saying...
> but when you use werds that don't exist in the 
> english text language...i begin to wonder.
> 
> 
> How many other things you write that isn't...real?
> 
> 
> There doesn't seem to be any connection with what you are saying...and reality.
> 
> It's like some kind of...joke.
> 
> 
> Are you with the C.I.A???? Maybe a Russian spy?  
> 
> 
> Cause when you write stuff like  "un-Euclidean geometry"...and it doesn't exist...it's called a con in my book.
> 
> 
> Don't we have enough con-artist in the 'scientific community'???? I mean un-scientific community..

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#528648

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-27 19:36 -0700
Message-ID<6147c7d4-fdb2-4532-99ea-55c34d12bef4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528572
On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 2:25:43 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:34:32 PM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 8:26:07 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> > > > Burnt-out stars are shredded when
> > > > they fall back into the galactic center
> > > > and the energy from absorbed
> > > > neutrinos is reinvested into jets of
> > > > HEPs (high-energy particles) which
> > > > blast outward at .9c and produce new
> > > > stars in a never-ending cycle.
> > > > Similarly, the energy that electrons
> > > > are constantly radiating is returned to
> > > > them by their protons in the same way;
> > > > the electrons constantly accelerating and
> > > > radiating but never running out, while
> > > > the protons are constantly absorbing
> > > > and gravitating but never overheating
> > > > in a never-ending cycle.
> > > > No BB.
> > > > No "heat death".
> > > > No BS.
> > >
> > > Consider all of space-time somehow laid
> > > out in this resulting "continuum".  First,
> > > the three dimensions of space, have to fit
> > > in the linear continuum.  So, kind of like
> > > super-string looks to have three dimensions
> > > to store the relevant information, for each
> > > space dimension, here they are folded into
> > > the infinitesimals and infinities of the one
> > > dimension.  This is simply in numerical resource
> > > terms.
> > >
> > > Then, and this is a "single-Universe" approach,
> > > also it is so for time, then all of everything
> > > for each instant of time started forever ago,
> > > and, has conservation and symmetry about the
> > > numerical resources as would represent each
> > > point in an infinite space-time in a continuum.
> > >
> > > So, BB Big Bang and SS Steady State are both,
> > > from our perspective or that of observers, then
> > > about where we are today, they're concurrent
> > > interpretations of the continuum.
> > >
> > > (Is the future already written out, no, I wouldn't
> > > know that it was.)
> > >
> > > And on we flow.
> > >
> > > This is for "final cause" from "first principles"
> > > for a purely logical mathematical physics that is
> > > scientific.
> > 
> > One thing about the "spiral space-filling curve
> > as a natural continuum" is that the associated
> > geometry is of "points and spaces" instead of
> > "points and lines".  So, that is an un-Euclidean
> > geometry.
> 
> 
> 
> "un-Euclidean geometry"??? 
> 
> Did you mean: un-Euclidean un-geometry. 
> 
> or
> 
> Did you mean: Euclidean un-geometry.
> 
> or 
> 
> Did you mean: non-Euclidean -non-geometry.
> 
> 
> or
> 
> 
> Did you mean: non-Euclidean geometry?
> 
> 
> Get your text right! Or use pictures...
> 
> 
> It's bad enough
> no one can understand what you are saying...
> but when you use werds that don't exist in the 
> english text language...i begin to wonder.
> 
> 
> How many other things you write that isn't...real?
> 
> 
> There doesn't seem to be any connection with what you are saying...and reality.
> 
> It's like some kind of...joke.
> 
> 
> Are you with the C.I.A???? Maybe a Russian spy?  
> 
> 
> Cause when you write stuff like  "un-Euclidean geometry"...and it doesn't exist...it's called a con in my book.
> 
> 
> Don't we have enough con-artist in the 'scientific community'???? I mean un-scientific community..

Euclidean geometry's elements are points and lines.

This is the standard mathematics text for most of 
recorded history, Euclid's "Elements".

Our modern Riemannian, Lobachevskyan, Connes, the 
super-Euclidean and non-Euclidean, here has 
usually the postulate to negate being the parallel 
postulate.  So, then that is non-Euclidean, otherwise 
the four postulates besides the fifth "parallel" postulate.


Then, this idea of a _geometry_ as of all the results 
of geometry, that has _different elements_ than Euclid's, 
is that it is "un-Euclidean" geometry, because "non-Euclidean" 
is already used.  Here with the elements being "points" and 
"spaces" (or space) instead of points and lines, it is yet a 
super-Euclidean geometry in what it purports to display, then 
that is somewhat overbearing so it's as neat to call it 
"un-Euclidean" geometry.

This is somewhat of a result from a "spiral space-filling curve 
as a natural continuum".

"Yaroslav Sergeyev makes the news".

Yaroslav is cool, and sharp, and by cool, I mean very sharp.

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#528813

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-28 15:44 -0700
Message-ID<de76acdb-1b2d-4516-9309-4ff34ebde81b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528648
the main elements are planes and lines,
which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
just as is the tetrahedron

> This is the standard mathematics text for most of 
> recorded history, Euclid's "Elements".
> 
> Our modern Riemannian, Lobachevskyan, Connes, the 
> super-Euclidean and non-Euclidean, here has 
> usually the postulate to negate being the parallel 
> postulate.  So, then that is non-Euclidean, otherwise 
> the four postulates besides the fifth "parallel" postulate.
> 
> 
> Then, this idea of a _geometry_ as of all the results 
> of geometry, that has _different elements_ than Euclid's, 
> is that it is "un-Euclidean" geometry, because "non-Euclidean" 
> is already used.  Here with the elements being "points" and 
> "spaces" (or space) instead of points and lines, it is yet a 
> super-Euclidean geometry in what it purports to display, then 
> that is somewhat overbearing so it's as neat to call it 
> "un-Euclidean" geometry.
> 
> This is somewhat of a result from a "spiral space-filling curve 
> as a natural continuum".
> 
> "Yaroslav Sergeyev makes the news".
> 
> Yaroslav is cool, and sharp, and by cool, I mean very sharp.

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#528877

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-28 23:07 -0800
Message-ID<5631C59D.6CB5@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528813
noTthaTguY wrote:
> 
> the main elements are planes and lines,
> which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> just as is the tetrahedron


Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
world?

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#528879

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-28 23:43 -0800
Message-ID<5631CE38.548C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528877
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> noTthaTguY wrote:
> >
> > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > just as is the tetrahedron
> 
> Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> world?


In other words...
can you tranlate it to pictures or video
without using symbols...another form
of communication instead of math?

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#528880

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-28 23:46 -0800
Message-ID<5631CEEB.5F0D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528879
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > >
> > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > just as is the tetrahedron
> >
> > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > world?
> 
> In other words...
> can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> without using symbols...another form
> of communication instead of math?


or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?

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#528881

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-29 00:08 -0700
Message-ID<3d18292c-100b-4cf6-97c2-845a733992fe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528880
On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:45:36 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > >
> > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > world?
> > 
> > In other words...
> > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > without using symbols...another form
> > of communication instead of math?
> 
> 
> or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?

He's saying "use your big boy words" (and no swears).

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#528882

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-29 00:13 -0800
Message-ID<5631D50E.6CE9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528880
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > >
> > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > world?
> >
> > In other words...
> > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > without using symbols...another form
> > of communication instead of math?
> 
> or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?


In other words...

can you connect this:


> > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > just as is the tetrahedron

to the real world? And translate into english??

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#528923

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-29 10:26 -0800
Message-ID<563264D9.C33@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528882
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > >
> > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > world?
> > >
> > > In other words...
> > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > without using symbols...another form
> > > of communication instead of math?
> >
> > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> 
> In other words...
> 
> can you connect this:
> 
> > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> 
> to the real world? And translate into english??


in other words, in layman's terms.

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#528925

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-29 10:37 -0800
Message-ID<5632674C.A77@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528923
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > world?
> > > >
> > > > In other words...
> > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > of communication instead of math?
> > >
> > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> >
> > In other words...
> >
> > can you connect this:
> >
> > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> >
> > to the real world? And translate into english??
> 
> in other words, in layman's terms.


People go to the art musuem
and see abstract art
with triangles and circles and cubes
and wonder what the artist is saying.

The artist believes he was inspired by
something out there...
but, that is just a feeling..
and the abstract art is just...symbols.

Like the egyptian pyramids..abstract art, ..

Not...Martians.

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#528926

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-29 10:51 -0800
Message-ID<56326AB7.2786@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528925
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > > world?
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words...
> > > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > > of communication instead of math?
> > > >
> > > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> > >
> > > In other words...
> > >
> > > can you connect this:
> > >
> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > >
> > > to the real world? And translate into english??
> >
> > in other words, in layman's terms.
> 
> People go to the art musuem
> and see abstract art
> with triangles and circles and cubes
> and wonder what the artist is saying.
> 
> The artist believes he was inspired by
> something out there...
> but, that is just a feeling..
> and the abstract art is just...symbols.
> 
> Like the egyptian pyramids..abstract art, ..
> 
> Not...Martians.



I mean, it appears to me..
that this:


> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron


are just....hip-hop lyrics.

Does anyone know how to "de-code" the "hip-hop" lyrics above???


Maybe...just maybe.."the secrets of the universe" are contained in it!


Maybe i need LDS.

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#528929

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2015-10-29 10:59 -0800
Message-ID<56326C8D.5EB2@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#528925
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > > world?
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words...
> > > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > > of communication instead of math?
> > > >
> > > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> > >
> > > In other words...
> > >
> > > can you connect this:
> > >
> > > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > >
> > > to the real world? And translate into english??
> >
> > in other words, in layman's terms.
> 
> People go to the art musuem
> and see abstract art
> with triangles and circles and cubes
> and wonder what the artist is saying.
> 
> The artist believes he was inspired by
> something out there...
> but, that is just a feeling..
> and the abstract art is just...symbols.
> 
> Like the egyptian pyramids..abstract art, ..
> 
> Not...Martians.



Of course, there are others who "pretend" to know what the artist has
painted...


I will not to pretend to know.

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#529410

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 06:17 -0700
Message-ID<9dc793a9-abb5-4fcb-9023-d7769a661710@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#528882
On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:11:47 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > >
> > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > world?
> > >
> > > In other words...
> > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > without using symbols...another form
> > > of communication instead of math?
> > 
> > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> 
> 
> In other words...
> 
> can you connect this:
> 
> 
> > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> 
> to the real world? And translate into english??

A triangle is defined by three sides, 
or, three angles and one side.

This is a statement of the resource terms 
of representations.

"Measuring the area of a triangle" is a 
usual feature of a geometry.

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#529413

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 06:30 -0700
Message-ID<a52bb7f5-f2e3-492c-a148-07ea9722eb4f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#529410
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Thursday, October 29, 2015 at 12:11:47 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > 
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > noTthaTguY wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think you can translate that for people who live in the ....real
> > > > > world?
> > > >
> > > > In other words...
> > > > can you tranlate it to pictures or video
> > > > without using symbols...another form
> > > > of communication instead of math?
> > > 
> > > or maybe "just" using "words" in "english"?
> > 
> > 
> > In other words...
> > 
> > can you connect this:
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > the main elements are planes and lines,
> > > > > > which are dual in space, and vertices and cells,
> > > > > > like wise.  hte infinite net of hexahedra is autodual,
> > > > > > just as is the tetrahedron
> > 
> > to the real world? And translate into english??
> 
> A triangle is defined by three sides, 
> or, three angles and one side.
> 
> This is a statement of the resource terms 
> of representations.
> 
> "Measuring the area of a triangle" is a 
> usual feature of a geometry.

(A triangle under rotation is 
defined by any two sides.)  -- Pythagoras

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#529415

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-10-31 08:33 -0500
Message-ID<ur2dnYDva8m5XqnLnZ2dnUU7-dmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#529413
On 10/31/15 8:30 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> (A triangle under rotation is
> defined by any two sides.)  -- Pythagoras


   What is your source for this quote?


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