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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-26 11:38 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 20:15 -0400
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-27 12:41 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-27 13:28 -0700
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-27 15:29 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-27 17:17 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-27 22:08 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:12 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 12:04 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-28 13:09 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-06-29 17:44 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 17:50 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 12:44 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 14:11 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:18 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 14:30 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-28 12:37 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mattb. <Trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:54 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-28 22:54 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 16:02 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 16:25 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-28 17:20 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 17:43 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-28 16:42 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 17:52 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:14 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-28 16:39 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:51 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 20:25 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-28 18:45 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-29 09:57 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 10:07 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 10:12 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 00:04 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-29 09:55 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 10:10 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 10:58 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-29 23:07 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-30 01:22 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-29 12:49 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 16:11 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 17:38 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 17:50 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-28 16:41 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:57 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 20:23 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 07:13 -0500
                  I command you. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-29 12:59 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-30 01:39 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-30 12:05 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-30 10:24 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:43 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 09:15 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:43 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:26 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:09 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:07 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-04 11:11 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:40 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-04 09:18 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 08:13 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-05 06:52 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-05 10:03 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-05 10:25 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 16:38 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:01 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-06 13:57 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:28 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-07 07:44 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 10:29 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-08 16:47 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-07 09:48 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 13:08 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-09 11:47 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 07:36 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-10 16:09 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-09 11:46 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-01 18:38 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 08:59 -0500
                  Re: "HVAC" thumps his drivel. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 01:49 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 12:07 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 01:55 -0400

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#502773 — Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

HVAC wrote:
> 
> On 6/2/2015 6:28 AM, HVAC wrote:
> > On 6/1/2015 6:26 PM, duke wrote:
> >>
> >>> How do you think god would have reacted if Abraham had done the right
> >>> thing and told god to go fuck himself when god told him to kill his
> >>> own son?
> >>> Please try to answer honestly.
> >>
> >> Because Abraham came form a society that sacrificed their own first born
> >> unblemished son to appeasement of their God, I would say that's the
> >> reason
> >> Abraham never even blinked.  Abraham is credited with listening to his
> >> God
> >> without question.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please try to answer the question...Honestly if possible.
> 
> When asked for an honest answer, Duke remains silent.

If Duke is silent, it's because he is in silent prayer..even God is
silent...sometimes.

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#502852

On 06/26/2015 03:03 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On
>>>>>> How do you think god would have reacted if Abraham had done the right
>>>>>> thing and told god to go fuck himself when god told him to kill his
>>>>>> own son?
>>>>>> Please try to answer honestly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Abraham came form a society that sacrificed their own first
>>>>> born
>>>>> unblemished son to appeasement of their God, I would say that's the
>>>>> reason
>>>>> Abraham never even blinked.  Abraham is credited with listening to his
>>>>> God
>>>>> without question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please try to answer the question...Honestly if possible.
>>>
>>> When asked for an honest answer, Duke remains silent.
>>
>> If Duke is silent, it's because he is in silent prayer..even God is
>> silent...sometimes.
>
>
> Seek help son.
>
>
Harlow is never silent nor in prayer.



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#502999

I find it strange
that Atheist
claim there isn't a God, but
complain when God kills people.

With Atheist..it's personal.

This thing they have with God.

I'm guessing atheist simply don't like God's...attitude.


If you don't like the Guy, you don't have to hang out with Him.


Maybe you like the Devil's attitude.


He sounds like a fun guy any way...

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#503011

when God created Man
God was wondering
"How should I make Man's features?"
Then, God looked in the mirror...

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#503012

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:41:09 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I find it strange
>that Atheist
>claim there isn't a God, but
>complain when God kills people.
>
>With Atheist..it's personal.
>
>This thing they have with God.
>
>I'm guessing atheist simply don't like God's...attitude.
>
Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
with the real world.
>
>If you don't like the Guy, you don't have to hang out with Him.
>
>
>Maybe you like the Devil's attitude.
>
>
>He sounds like a fun guy any way...

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#503029

On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:29:38 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 12:41:09 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

An old troll.

>>I find it strange
>>that Atheist
>>claim there isn't a God, but

Liar.

>>complain when God kills people.

Liar.

>>With Atheist..it's personal.

Liar.

>>This thing they have with God.

What "thing we have" with what fucking God?

>>I'm guessing atheist simply don't like God's...attitude.

WHAT FUCKING GOD?

>Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>with the real world.

We understand perfectly, deliberately nasty liar - it's something in
your religion that you know is meaningless outside it, yet you rudely
and stupidly talk at people outside it as if it were as "real" for
them as it is for you,

>>If you don't like the Guy, you don't have to hang out with Him.

What a fucking moron.

>>Maybe you like the Devil's attitude.

WHAT FUCKING DEVIL?

>>He sounds like a fun guy any way...

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#503060

In article <uo1uoa9v0l9d43bdeh793281gbptipknl7@4ax.com>,
Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> said:

> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the
> level that enables them to understand what God is and how theism
> fits in with the real world.

What

-- wds

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#503161

On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>
>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>> with the real world.
>
>
> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>
> ...Seems reasonable.

Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN 
actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?

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#503174

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>>> with the real world.
>>
>>
>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>>
>> ...Seems reasonable.
>
>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN 
>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?
>
God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from
all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go
with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for
them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced
upon them.

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#503177

In article <j4a0pahr7b0jjb83ssd4lcr68c3akhv2ut@4ax.com>,
Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> said:

> God is presently in the process of separating all that is good
> from all that is not good (evil).

How's he going to separate himself from himself?

> Anyone who volitionally chooses to go with the realm where only
> evil exists, there will be nothing good for them to enjoy. But,
> this is their choice, not something God forced upon them.

Well that last sentence is just a lie.

"You can give me your wallet or you can stand there while I break
your knees with this baseball bat.  It's entirely your choice, not
something I'm forcing on you."

-- wds

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#503547

On 2015-06-28, William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote:
> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> said:
>> God is presently in the process of separating all that is good
>> from all that is not good (evil).
>
> How's he going to separate himself from himself?

With a REALLY REALLY fine sieve.

Capable of straining out EVERY single atome of Justice!!1! from the universe.

Dave, primally speaking
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/	-net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#503550

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:44:55 -0500, David DeLaney
<daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 2015-06-28, William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote:
>> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> said:
>>> God is presently in the process of separating all that is good
>>> from all that is not good (evil).
>>
>> How's he going to separate himself from himself?
>
>With a REALLY REALLY fine sieve.
>
>Capable of straining out EVERY single atome of Justice!!1! from the universe.

The sieve of Eratosthenes.

Which is actually on topic for rec.arts.sf.written. Fans of Frederick
Pohl will spot the reference.

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#503187

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>>>> with the real world.
>>>
>>>
>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>>>
>>> ...Seems reasonable.
>>
>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law 

WHAT FUCKING GOD AND WHAT DUCKING GOD'S LAW?

>>                                                                             will cause your OWN 
>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?

Idiot.

>God 

WHAT FUCKING GOD, deliberately rude, deliberately stupid,
question-begging moron who knows only Christians believe that
nonsense, and that atheists aren't Christians?

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#503211

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>>>> with the real world.
>>>
>>>
>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>>>
>>> ...Seems reasonable.
>>
>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN 
>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?
>>
>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from
>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go

does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has
murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real


>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for
>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced
>upon them.

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#503213

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>>>>> with the real world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>>>>
>>>> ...Seems reasonable.
>>>
>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN 
>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?
>>>
>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from
>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go
>
>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has
>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real

I'm not saying you are wrong but where did you get the numbers?


>
>
>>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for
>>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced
>>upon them.

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#503217

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>>>>> with the real world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>>>>
>>>> ...Seems reasonable.
>>>
>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN 
>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?
>>>
>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from
>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go
>
>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has
>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real
>
God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore
sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of
all this, but God did not do anything sinful. 
>
>>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for
>>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced
>>upon them.

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#503218

On 06/28/2015 12:30 PM, Gordon wrote:
> God has not murdered anyone.

2 Samuel 12:

[15] And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, 
and it was very sick.

. . .

[19] But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived 
that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the 
child dead? And they said, He is dead.

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#503223

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level
>>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in
>>>>>> with the real world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Seems reasonable.
>>>>
>>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN 
>>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until 
>>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the 
>>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture?
>>>>
>>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from
>>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go
>>
>>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has
>>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real
>>
>God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore
>sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of
>all this, but God did not do anything sinful. 

The Bible would disagree the first born of Egypt and those killed in
the flood as examples.

>>
>>>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for
>>>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced
>>>upon them.

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#503227

"Gordon"  skrev i meddelelsen 
news:dni0padre2kpd8623s8l82sfoeqlfhbppp@4ax.com...

(snip)

> God has not murdered anyone. ...

Excuse me if I'm off topic here, but I'd like you to explain what you 
believe was God's role in the Flood... incident, if you don't mind.

(snip)

-- 
Malte Runz 

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#503230

On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 22:54:09 +0200, "Malte Runz"
<malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:

>"Gordon"  skrev i meddelelsen 
>news:dni0padre2kpd8623s8l82sfoeqlfhbppp@4ax.com...
>
>(snip)
>
>> God has not murdered anyone. ...
>
>Excuse me if I'm off topic here, but I'd like you to explain what you 
>believe was God's role in the Flood... incident, if you don't mind.
>
>(snip)
>
The flood and many other Bible stories are allegories. We have to
comprehend these allegories in the sense to which they are related. 

What the flood story tells us is that when people at large turn away
from God and go their own way they will eventually end up in a severe
situation. 

This is somewhat like walking over the rim of the Grand Canyon without
a parachute or any other such means for survival. God's law of gravity
will surely kill a person who does something like this. Does this mean
that God will murder a person who does something like this?

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