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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-10-10 21:29 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-10-18 11:15 -0400 |
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A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-10-10 21:29 -0400
A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 18:49 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 08:45 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-11 14:57 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:21 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-11 18:54 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-11 19:05 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 12:37 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2016-10-11 22:56 +0300
the static eventuality noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 09:55 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:13 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-11 18:56 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 12:44 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-11 21:46 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-11 19:46 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:18 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 05:19 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 12:59 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-11 19:10 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 19:19 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-11 20:51 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-11 20:50 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:58 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 05:23 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:09 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:42 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:03 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 19:40 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 01:20 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 21:26 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:15 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 19:05 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:13 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 13:36 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 11:02 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-14 12:40 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-16 09:21 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-16 19:32 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-18 08:53 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 11:36 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 18:54 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 03:49 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:10 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:07 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:39 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-16 22:13 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-16 19:27 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 17:21 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-18 08:46 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 08:45 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-18 17:18 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 21:44 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-19 07:14 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 08:23 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:10 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 23:48 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-14 06:09 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 18:03 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 02:27 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:14 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-15 17:52 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:28 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:10 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:44 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-16 09:25 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-16 18:29 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 17:17 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 20:00 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-17 05:19 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 05:51 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 14:03 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-17 23:40 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 07:30 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 10:01 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 17:45 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 20:49 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 05:28 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:48 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-16 23:45 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-18 08:48 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 10:07 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-19 07:15 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-19 09:02 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-19 16:29 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-10-19 19:38 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-19 19:27 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 18:57 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:08 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 12:15 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 02:37 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 21:02 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 05:23 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:11 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 08:17 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 23:54 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:52 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 13:07 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:50 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:50 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:16 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:45 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:05 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 19:43 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-13 01:22 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 19:20 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 11:27 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:47 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 20:48 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-12 01:21 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:53 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-10-12 19:18 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 16:02 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:06 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-13 06:26 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 00:01 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-14 06:14 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 18:07 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 02:35 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:50 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-16 23:54 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 18:21 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 07:12 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 06:50 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-17 17:00 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-17 23:47 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 07:31 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-18 12:16 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-10-17 13:40 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 16:24 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:58 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-12 02:36 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 21:01 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:56 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 14:12 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:49 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:06 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 19:45 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 21:08 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 11:48 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 10:42 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-12 00:38 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 08:59 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:18 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 14:14 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 17:52 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:13 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-12 20:02 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 21:18 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-13 08:05 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-13 09:38 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 00:06 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-13 21:26 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 02:51 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-10-14 06:01 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-14 07:25 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 07:29 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-10-14 10:20 -0400
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 11:30 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 13:48 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 14:09 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-14 18:57 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 21:08 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 02:57 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:16 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:11 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 14:53 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-14 21:04 +0000
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 03:02 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-15 10:18 -0500
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:23 -0700
Re: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-16 15:00 -0500
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| From | Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 13:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nu31pi$vou$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #601254 |
On 10/17/2016 10:07 AM, Serigo wrote: > Mars does not have any O2. Wrong! There is more oxygen on Mars than we are ever likely to need. It's just that there isn't much free oxygen floating around in the atmosphere.
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| Date | 2016-10-17 18:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qeifdd-1ae.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #601292 |
In sci.physics Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/17/2016 10:07 AM, Serigo wrote: >> Mars does not have any O2. > > Wrong! There is more oxygen on Mars than we are ever likely to need. > It's just that there isn't much free oxygen floating around in the > atmosphere. Which means you have to have a huge pile of machinery and energy to get it. Excavators to dig the ice out of the ground, assuming it is there. Trucks to haul the ice to the water plant. Conveyor system to haul the ice from the trucks to the melting pot. Melting pots to melt the ice. Filtering system to purify the water. If the ice is the remains of an ancient sea, then it is likely saline, so a desalination system. Tanks to hold the final product. All of this needs lots of power to operate plus everything needs to be heavily insulated and heated so the water does not freeze in the -100 F Martian night and burst all the pipes and tanks. Then you can think about building the electrolysis plant and the tanks to store the hydrogen and oxygen you've generated, but these at least don't need to be heated. It is easy to arm wave that there is lots of oxygen on Mars and another thing to actually produce it. Where do the thousands of tons of steel come from to build all this stuff? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 20:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nu3qau$60r$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #601320 |
On 10/17/2016 2:38 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > It is easy to arm wave that there is lots of oxygen on Mars and another > thing to actually produce it. Take a deep breath JP! Okay now? So please read back, and you will see that I waved no arms nor made any representation other than correcting the totally false statement that there was no O2 on Mars. It was you who made a big thing from that, not me.
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| Date | 2016-10-18 00:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5m8gdd-tig.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #601411 |
In sci.physics Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/17/2016 2:38 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> It is easy to arm wave that there is lots of oxygen on Mars and another >> thing to actually produce it. > Take a deep breath JP! Okay now? > > So please read back, and you will see that I waved no arms nor made any > representation other than correcting the totally false statement that > there was no O2 on Mars. > > It was you who made a big thing from that, not me. What you said was there is more oxygen on Mars than we would ever need. What I said is that it will take a hell of a lot of machinery to get at any of it. Are you interested in discussing the many issues involved or do you just want to read cut and pastes of press releases? -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2016-10-18 07:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nu518n$1roi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #601417 |
On 10/17/2016 8:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > or do you > just want to read cut and pastes of press releases? Do you really think I have to read press releases to know that there is oxygen on Mars? Really?
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 08:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <htec0c9t2ats4c3eqclns8fjjp7dv0q9v8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #601447 |
Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/17/2016 8:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> or do you
>> just want to read cut and pastes of press releases?
>
>Do you really think I have to read press releases to know that there is
>oxygen on Mars? Really?
>
Of course he does. Jimp the Chimp assumes everyone else is stupid
because of his huge ego. Unfortunately for him, his intellect can't
back up his ego.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| Date | 2016-10-18 17:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4f2idd-kem.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #601447 |
In sci.physics Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10/17/2016 8:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> or do you >> just want to read cut and pastes of press releases? > > Do you really think I have to read press releases to know that there is > oxygen on Mars? Really? But evidently you have no interest in discussing how to recover it. -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2016-10-17 17:38 -0700 |
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| In reply to | #601320 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Vaughn Simon <vaughnsimon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/17/2016 10:07 AM, Serigo wrote:
>>> Mars does not have any O2.
>>
>> Wrong! There is more oxygen on Mars than we are ever likely to need.
>> It's just that there isn't much free oxygen floating around in the
>> atmosphere.
>>
>
>Which means you have to have a huge pile of machinery and energy to
>get it.
>
I'd like to point out before I go into Jimp's water wall that one
needn't get oxygen from water. It's perfectly possible to get it from
CO2 and all you need at that point is a pump and power to run the
'reverse fuel cell' that produces the oxygen.
>
>Excavators to dig the ice out of the ground, assuming it is there.
>
It's just mass.
>
>Trucks to haul the ice to the water plant.
>
Put the water plant near the ice. DOH!
>
>Conveyor system to haul the ice from the trucks to the melting pot.
>
Gravity.
>
>Melting pots to melt the ice.
>
Concrete or just rock. Easily made on Mars.
>
>Filtering system to purify the water.
>
>If the ice is the remains of an ancient sea, then it is likely saline,
>so a desalination system.
>
If you use flash desalinization, you don't need to filter much (if
any(, since you're condensing pure water out. And you're going to
have to do this, because a lot of the water ice on Mars that isn't at
the poles is subsurface brines.
Then subsurface pipes (more concrete) to take the pure water to the
colony for use.
>
>Tanks to hold the final product.
>
Because tanks are SO difficult...
>
>All of this needs lots of power to operate plus everything needs to
>be heavily insulated and heated so the water does not freeze in the
>-100 F Martian night and burst all the pipes and tanks.
>
Well, it's not like you just let the stuff lie about on the surface.
But yes, you'll need some insulation and heating. Nuclear power is
kind of handy for producing heat.
>
>Then you can think about building the electrolysis plant and the tanks
>to store the hydrogen and oxygen you've generated, but these at least
>don't need to be heated.
>
If you bother to produce O2 from water. See MOXIE, which produces it
from atmosphere. The rover experiment will need around 30 watts of
power to get 1-2 grams of O2. Scale up.
>
>It is easy to arm wave that there is lots of oxygen on Mars and another
>thing to actually produce it.
>
And it's even easier to handwave about how impossible it is to do.
>
>Where do the thousands of tons of steel come from to build all this
>stuff?
>
"Thousands of tons of steel"? You really do think we're going from
zero to Pittsburgh in a week, don't you?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-17 16:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hona0clr4l4mgccubub5tn78a7ejd0na14@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #601254 |
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 10/16/2016 12:17 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> You know, Chimp, you're an intellectual coward. If you want to reply
>> to me, REPLY TO ME, not to some troll quoting me.
>>
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/2016 5:34 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how much to put about 25 of these on Mars so you can convert dirt
>>>>>> to structural steel?
>>>>>>
>
>>>>> Why in the hell would you need 32 MW of power to make steel? Total
>>>>> power required to make a ton of steel from ore is around 5 MW-hrs.
>>>>> You'd size your operation based on the power you had available and how
>>>>> much steel you need.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong again. you skipped over the part where you get ore from dirt, how
>>>> much energy is that ?
>>>
>>> It actually takes 10-19 MW to turn iron ore into steel, not counting
>>> the energy required to dig out, transport, and crush the ore.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. National averages run around 5.5 MW-hr per tonne.
>>
>
>Wrong.
>
You're an idiot.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Making steel requires a lot of oxygen.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it does. So?
>>
>
>Mars does not have any O2.
>
But it does have both CO2 and H2O, either of which can be easily used
to make O2 (which is what we'll do for breathing oxygen anyway).
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-19 13:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nu8esj$1e0i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #601390 |
On 10/17/2016 6:32 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So how much to put about 25 of these on Mars so you can convert dirt >>>>>>> to structural steel? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Why in the hell would you need 32 MW of power to make steel? Total >>>>>> power required to make a ton of steel from ore is around 5 MW-hrs. >>>>>> You'd size your operation based on the power you had available and how >>>>>> much steel you need. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wrong again. you skipped over the part where you get ore from dirt, how >>>>> much energy is that ? >>>> It actually takes 10-19 MW to turn iron ore into steel, not counting >>>> the energy required to dig out, transport, and crush the ore. >>>> >>> >>> Nope. National averages run around 5.5 MW-hr per tonne. >>> >> >> Wrong. >> > >> >>> >>>> Making steel requires a lot of oxygen. >>> >>> Yes, it does. So? >>> >> >> Mars does not have any O2. >> > > But it does have both CO2 and H2O, either of which can be easily used > to make O2 (which is what we'll do for breathing oxygen anyway). > > You are more of a dreamer, not based in reality too much. so how do you get O2 from CO2 ? remember you need the carbon too for your steel mill on Mars
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| From | Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-19 16:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.3271a26945e70ee989855@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #601673 |
In article <nu8esj$1e0i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says... > > On 10/17/2016 6:32 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: > > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So how much to put about 25 of these on Mars so you can convert dirt > >>>>>>> to structural steel? > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> Why in the hell would you need 32 MW of power to make steel? Total > >>>>>> power required to make a ton of steel from ore is around 5 MW-hrs. > >>>>>> You'd size your operation based on the power you had available and how > >>>>>> much steel you need. > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> Wrong again. you skipped over the part where you get ore from dirt, how > >>>>> much energy is that ? > > >>>> It actually takes 10-19 MW to turn iron ore into steel, not counting > >>>> the energy required to dig out, transport, and crush the ore. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Nope. National averages run around 5.5 MW-hr per tonne. > >>> > >> > >> Wrong. > >> > > > >> > >>> > > >>>> Making steel requires a lot of oxygen. > >>> > >>> Yes, it does. So? > >>> > >> > >> Mars does not have any O2. > >> > > > > But it does have both CO2 and H2O, either of which can be easily used > > to make O2 (which is what we'll do for breathing oxygen anyway). > > > > > > You are more of a dreamer, not based in reality too much. > > so how do you get O2 from CO2 ? remember you need the carbon too for You start with the Sabatier reaction and go from there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of.
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-19 19:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <h49g0c5oiaqi7p6uf2ra0hp6agoics8pro@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #601704 |
Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>In article <nu8esj$1e0i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says...
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 6:32 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> > Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So how much to put about 25 of these on Mars so you can convert dirt
>> >>>>>>> to structural steel?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Why in the hell would you need 32 MW of power to make steel? Total
>> >>>>>> power required to make a ton of steel from ore is around 5 MW-hrs.
>> >>>>>> You'd size your operation based on the power you had available and how
>> >>>>>> much steel you need.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Wrong again. you skipped over the part where you get ore from dirt, how
>> >>>>> much energy is that ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It actually takes 10-19 MW to turn iron ore into steel, not counting
>> >>>> the energy required to dig out, transport, and crush the ore.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Nope. National averages run around 5.5 MW-hr per tonne.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Wrong.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Making steel requires a lot of oxygen.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, it does. So?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Mars does not have any O2.
>> >>
>> >
>> > But it does have both CO2 and H2O, either of which can be easily used
>> > to make O2 (which is what we'll do for breathing oxygen anyway).
>> >
>>
>> You are more of a dreamer, not based in reality too much.
>>
>> so how do you get O2 from CO2 ? remember you need the carbon too for
>
>You start with the Sabatier reaction and go from there:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction
>
He's both stupid and ignorant. He's too stupid to realize it can be
done and so ignorant he doesn't know that an experiment to do it is
going on a Mars rover.
http://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/instruments/moxie/
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-19 18:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8b8g0c5io34veasi4l3n8l0ut70s5cqrh9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #601673 |
Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 10/17/2016 6:32 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Making steel requires a lot of oxygen.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it does. So?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mars does not have any O2.
>>>
>>
>> But it does have both CO2 and H2O, either of which can be easily used
>> to make O2 (which is what we'll do for breathing oxygen anyway).
>>
>
>You are more of a dreamer, not based in reality too much.
>
You're more of a fece, not based in mammalia too much.
>
>so how do you get O2 from CO2 ? remember you need the carbon too for
>your steel mill on Mars
>
See MOXIE, for example.
If you don't like that, try this one.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/540706/researcher-demonstrates-how-to-suck-carbon-from-the-air-make-stuff-from-it/
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-11 13:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c56c5a3e-d094-48c6-9f93-83549ef5550a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600337 |
On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 6:29:16 PM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote: > By using the ITS upper stage tanker instead as a first stage, we can get a > smaller implementation of a Mars transport system. This would be useful as a > first flight, exploratory mission crewed by professional astronauts, before > colonization flights began. Moreover, since Elon says a demonstration upper > stage could be ready in four years such an initial flight might even be > ready then. > > > A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to > Mars. > http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-smaller-faster-version-of-spacex.html > > Bob Clark > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize > 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital > launchers, to 'flying cars'. > This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it: > > Nanotech: from air to space. > https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:57eacb75$0$43811$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com... > > Musk outlined some plans for mars colonisation. He says the plan is to > bring transport costs down by many orders of magnitudes so that the > ticket prices are closer to the cost of a home (so paople can move to > Mars easily). > > Musk plans to build mega rocket (bigger than Saturn 5) with 100 > passengers per trip. Musk looking at expanding to 200. Plan is to send 1 > million people to Mars. > Rocket should have ~10,000(t) compared to Saturn 5 ~3000 (t) > > Stage 1 would have 128MN of thurst at sea level, 42 Raptor engines. > > Landing the stage 1 back would cost about 7% of fuel. (down from current > use). > > Of the 42 engines, 7 in the centre would be gimballed, the rest would be > fixed. > > > 450 tonnes of cargo to Mars. Trip time caries betwene 80 and 140 days > depending on year/planet alignment. > > > > To achieve this, there are some concepts that need to be implemented: > > Full reusability > Since it takes so long for the return trip, Musk says about 12 re-uses > for the interplanetary ship lasting about 20-30 years. > > In-orbit refuelling > The interplanetary ship is launched without fuel, orbits earth after > launch. Second launch bring up fuel, docks to the first ship to transfer > fuel and then interplanetary ship departs. > > Tanker version of spacecraft will launch 3 to 5 times to transfer enough > fuel for each interplanetary ship and for each launch window, there > would be many interplanetary ship launched and fueled (so the launch pad > would be busy launching them and the refueling ones. > > Produce propellant on Mars > Loading propellant on earth for the return trip from mars costs way too > much. > > Right choice of propellant > This one is simple: methane. Hydrogen could also be produced on mars but > very hard to store and requires much bigger tanks. > > > Musk wants to R&D so that carbon fibre can be used for tanks. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus We have to put our hopes in the Musk space program if we are to get to Mars, because NASA doesn't plan to get there during the lifetimes of us older folks. My father longed to live to learn the mysteries of Mars, but with NASA dragging its feet, he could not live long enough. Double-A
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-11 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4a30dd-knm.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #600460 |
Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote: > We have to put our hopes in the Musk space program if we are to get to Mars, because NASA doesn't plan to get there during the lifetimes of us older folks. My father longed to live to learn the mysteries of Mars, but with NASA dragging its feet, he could not live long enough. > > Double-A Robotic probes provide panoramic views in full color at a fraction of the cost of sending wetware. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-11 16:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3742f7c8-e6b2-46f1-97c9-f3bac16933e4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600337 |
Let the goddamned chinamen go to Mars. I want to go to Europa and Titan and.....
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| From | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-10-18 11:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nu5e9j$678$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600337 |
Dr. John Schilling's launch performance calculator is back online. This provides a more accurate estimate of payload to orbit. Using it I get a reduced payload to LEO using this combined ITS tanker+Ariane 5 system of 178 metric tons payload to LEO. This is still though enough to fully refuel the Ariane 5 stage in orbit for a fast flight to Mars: A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars, UPDATED, 10/15/2016. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-smaller-faster-version-of-spacex.html Bob Clark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital launchers, to 'flying cars'. This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it: Nanotech: from air to space. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Robert Clark" wrote in message news:nthf8o$t7$1@dont-email.me... By using the ITS upper stage tanker instead as a first stage, we can get a smaller implementation of a Mars transport system. This would be useful as a first flight, exploratory mission crewed by professional astronauts, before colonization flights began. Moreover, since Elon says a demonstration upper stage could be ready in four years such an initial flight might even be ready then. A smaller, faster version of the SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System to Mars. http://exoscientist.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-smaller-faster-version-of-spacex.html Bob Clark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital launchers, to 'flying cars'. This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it: Nanotech: from air to space. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:57eacb75$0$43811$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com... Musk outlined some plans for mars colonisation. He says the plan is to bring transport costs down by many orders of magnitudes so that the ticket prices are closer to the cost of a home (so paople can move to Mars easily). Musk plans to build mega rocket (bigger than Saturn 5) with 100 passengers per trip. Musk looking at expanding to 200. Plan is to send 1 million people to Mars. Rocket should have ~10,000(t) compared to Saturn 5 ~3000 (t) Stage 1 would have 128MN of thurst at sea level, 42 Raptor engines. Landing the stage 1 back would cost about 7% of fuel. (down from current use). Of the 42 engines, 7 in the centre would be gimballed, the rest would be fixed. 450 tonnes of cargo to Mars. Trip time caries betwene 80 and 140 days depending on year/planet alignment. To achieve this, there are some concepts that need to be implemented: Full reusability Since it takes so long for the return trip, Musk says about 12 re-uses for the interplanetary ship lasting about 20-30 years. In-orbit refuelling The interplanetary ship is launched without fuel, orbits earth after launch. Second launch bring up fuel, docks to the first ship to transfer fuel and then interplanetary ship departs. Tanker version of spacecraft will launch 3 to 5 times to transfer enough fuel for each interplanetary ship and for each launch window, there would be many interplanetary ship launched and fueled (so the launch pad would be busy launching them and the refueling ones. Produce propellant on Mars Loading propellant on earth for the return trip from mars costs way too much. Right choice of propellant This one is simple: methane. Hydrogen could also be produced on mars but very hard to store and requires much bigger tanks. Musk wants to R&D so that carbon fibre can be used for tanks. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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