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  4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 10:18 -0500
    Re: 4th of July Message To Americans jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 17:59 +0000
      Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 15:38 -0500
        Re: 4th of July Message To Americans jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 22:56 +0000
          Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 18:59 -0500
            Re: 4th of July Message To Americans jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 00:45 +0000
              Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 20:22 -0500
                Re: 4th of July Message To Americans jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 02:55 +0000
                Re: 4th of July Message To Americans HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:55 -0700
                  Re: 4th of July Message To Americans Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-03 09:59 -0500
                    Re: 4th of July Message To Americans xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-03 09:30 -0700
                      Re: 4th of July Message To Americans xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-03 10:47 -0700
    Re: 4th of July Message To Americans Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 14:05 -0500
      Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 15:39 -0500
        Re: 4th of July Message To Americans Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 16:01 -0500
          Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 16:16 -0500
            Re: 4th of July Message To Americans Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 18:05 -0500
              Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 18:55 -0500
    Re: 4th of July Message To Americans "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 15:58 -0700
      Re: 4th of July Message To Americans ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 19:44 -0500

#587641 — 4th of July Message To Americans

Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
You're not the ones who had that honor.

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#587667

ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
> You're not the ones who had that honor.

Honor of what?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#587678

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:59:58 -0000,
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
> 
> Honor of what?
> 

Of kicking the British out.

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#587720

ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:59:58 -0000,
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>> 
>> Honor of what?
>> 
> 
> Of kicking the British out.

That is not what the 4th of July is about, idiot.


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#587739

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:56:04 -0000,
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:59:58 -0000,
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>> 
>>> Honor of what?
>>> 
>> 
>> Of kicking the British out.
> 
> That is not what the 4th of July is about, idiot.
> 

(There we go again with Jimpi) Ok explain. 

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#587744

ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:56:04 -0000,
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:59:58 -0000,
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>> 
>>>> Honor of what?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Of kicking the British out.
>> 
>> That is not what the 4th of July is about, idiot.
>> 
> 
> (There we go again with Jimpi) Ok explain. 

For ignorant immigrants with no understanding of US history, the 4th of July
commerorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776
by the Continental Congress.

The British weren't "kicked out" until the Treaty of Paris in 1783, though
they did little to nothing but wait for a boat home after the defeat at
Yorktown in 1781.

The British then came back for another try at in 1812.


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#587751

On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 00:45:36 -0000,
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:56:04 -0000,
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:59:58 -0000,
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Honor of what?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Of kicking the British out.
>>> 
>>> That is not what the 4th of July is about, idiot.
>>> 
>> 
>> (There we go again with Jimpi) Ok explain. 
> 
> For ignorant immigrants with no understanding of US history, the 4th of July
> commerorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776
> by the Continental Congress.
> 
> The British weren't "kicked out" until the Treaty of Paris in 1783, though
> they did little to nothing but wait for a boat home after the defeat at
> Yorktown in 1781.
> 
> The British then came back for another try at in 1812.
> 

It's the same thing. Similarly Moslems chose a
symbolic event for the beginning of Islamic calendar.
At the time of that event it was not clear at all
Islam would win. Mohammad was still a nobody. But for
USA, in principle, the kick began with that
declaration. You're just baiting me again to check my
knowledge of U.S. history. My knowledge of U.S.
history is based on French sources, which means I know
stuff about you that you have been denied the
knowledge. 

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#587758

ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 00:45:36 -0000,
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:56:04 -0000,
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 17:59:58 -0000,
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Honor of what?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of kicking the British out.
>>>> 
>>>> That is not what the 4th of July is about, idiot.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> (There we go again with Jimpi) Ok explain. 
>> 
>> For ignorant immigrants with no understanding of US history, the 4th of July
>> commerorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776
>> by the Continental Congress.
>> 
>> The British weren't "kicked out" until the Treaty of Paris in 1783, though
>> they did little to nothing but wait for a boat home after the defeat at
>> Yorktown in 1781.
>> 
>> The British then came back for another try at in 1812.
>> 
> 
> It's the same thing.

Not hardly.

<snip nonsense>


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#587805

Custard Fuck
It's the same thing. Similarly Moslems chose a 
symbolic event for the beginning of Islamic calendar. 
At the time of that event it was not clear at all 
Islam would win. Mohammad was still a nobody. But for 
USA, in principle, the kick began with that 
declaration. You're just baiting me again to check my 
knowledge of U.S. history. My knowledge of U.S. 
history is based on French sources, which means I know 
stuff about you that you have been denied the 
knowledge. 
----------

The US stands for freedom. Muslum stands for oppression and obedience to a man made god.

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#587807

On 7/3/2016 8:55 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Custard Fuck
> It's the same thing. Similarly Moslems chose a
> symbolic event for the beginning of Islamic calendar.
> At the time of that event it was not clear at all
> Islam would win. Mohammad was still a nobody. But for
> USA, in principle, the kick began with that
> declaration. You're just baiting me again to check my
> knowledge of U.S. history. My knowledge of U.S.
> history is based on French sources, which means I know
> stuff about you that you have been denied the
> knowledge.
> ----------
>
> The US stands for freedom. Muslum stands for oppression and obedience to a man made god.
>

Kneel before HILLERY !!
your new GOD.
She will reform you, +learn you feminizm, transgenderizm, democrappism, 
and the neoliberal ways
She says She knows best.

(sarcasm now, sad truth when this drunk, Hillary, is in office)

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#587815

On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:59:38 AM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/3/2016 8:55 AM, HVAC wrote:
> > Custard Fuck
> > It's the same thing. Similarly Moslems chose a
> > symbolic event for the beginning of Islamic calendar.
> > At the time of that event it was not clear at all
> > Islam would win. Mohammad was still a nobody. But for
> > USA, in principle, the kick began with that
> > declaration. You're just baiting me again to check my
> > knowledge of U.S. history. My knowledge of U.S.
> > history is based on French sources, which means I know
> > stuff about you that you have been denied the
> > knowledge.
> > ----------
> >
> > The US stands for freedom. Muslum stands for oppression and obedience to a man made god.
> >
> 
> Kneel before HILLERY !!
> your new GOD.
> She will reform you, +learn you feminizm, transgenderizm, democrappism, 
> and the neoliberal ways
> She says She knows best.
> 
> (sarcasm now, sad truth when this drunk, Hillary, is in office)

xxein:  Yeah.  Let's all revolt.  Let each person have his own ideas and tolerate no others.  It is time to create the Un-united People of the World with each person having ~5.22 acres sovereign land.  No sense of a shared sentiment allowed.  What could go wrong with that?

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#587823

On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 12:30:58 PM UTC-4, xxe...@att.net wrote:
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 10:59:38 AM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> > On 7/3/2016 8:55 AM, HVAC wrote:
> > > Custard Fuck
> > > It's the same thing. Similarly Moslems chose a
> > > symbolic event for the beginning of Islamic calendar.
> > > At the time of that event it was not clear at all
> > > Islam would win. Mohammad was still a nobody. But for
> > > USA, in principle, the kick began with that
> > > declaration. You're just baiting me again to check my
> > > knowledge of U.S. history. My knowledge of U.S.
> > > history is based on French sources, which means I know
> > > stuff about you that you have been denied the
> > > knowledge.
> > > ----------
> > >
> > > The US stands for freedom. Muslum stands for oppression and obedience to a man made god.
> > >
> > 
> > Kneel before HILLERY !!
> > your new GOD.
> > She will reform you, +learn you feminizm, transgenderizm, democrappism, 
> > and the neoliberal ways
> > She says She knows best.
> > 
> > (sarcasm now, sad truth when this drunk, Hillary, is in office)
> 
> xxein:  Yeah.  Let's all revolt.  Let each person have his own ideas and tolerate no others.  It is time to create the Un-united People of the World with each person having ~5.22 acres sovereign land.  No sense of a shared sentiment allowed.  What could go wrong with that?

xxein:  Let each person of the Un-united People of the World have each their own sovereign land which includes the space above and earth below with all spoils therein including, but not restricted to, air, birds, flying saucers, soil, rocks, water, slime, dogs, cats horses, cows, hamburgers, french fries, jews, muslims, irish, italians, gooks, *, creatures with dark skin, brainiacs, eniacs, electronic storyboards, wheels, any part of unnatural structure, asexual offspring, paper with ink transfixed, sticky stuff (except as noted in exclusions), non-sticky stuff and everything that acquires a name.  Strictly excluded are, but not restricted to, ideas, celebration, advancement, progress, invention, desires, other persons, thoughts, self pleasures, maintenance (including self-maintenance) or improvement of anything.

This day of the non-calendar shall be known as Free Anarchy Day although it is strictly forbidden to have an observation or thought of it.

* also greekians, turkians or any parts thereof, especially non-living.

It is forbidden to acknowledge or make any rational sense of the above except by self-consent.  Go forth and do nothing.

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#587670

On 7/2/2016 10:18 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>


I have honor, I earned it, didn't steal it.

        You may honor me now.








[send $4.99 to makemerich@paypal.com]

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#587679

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:05:33 -0500, Sergio wrote:

> On 7/2/2016 10:18 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>
> 
> 
> I have honor, I earned it, didn't steal it.
> 
>         You may honor me now.
> 

If you served in the military I can't beat that. I
didn't. 

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#587683

On 7/2/2016 3:39 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:05:33 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>
>> On 7/2/2016 10:18 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have honor, I earned it, didn't steal it.
>>
>>         You may honor me now.
>>
>
> If you served in the military I can't beat that. I
> didn't.
>

I was in, and loaded nukes on airplanes, sure I got lots of radiation 
then, it only affected my spelting, also the aircraft carrier insulation 
was asbestos and it would fall out as a fine dust from the overhead, but 
they say less than 30% develop that miezelathomia, they decomminished 
the boat when aspostes was declared bad.

the usa guys in iraq and afganistan had it far worser, 120 degree heat

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#587693

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:01:42 -0500, Sergio wrote:

> On 7/2/2016 3:39 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:05:33 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/2/2016 10:18 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have honor, I earned it, didn't steal it.
>>>
>>>         You may honor me now.
>>>
>>
>> If you served in the military I can't beat that. I
>> didn't.
>>
> 
> I was in, and loaded nukes on airplanes, sure I got lots of radiation 
> then, it only affected my spelting, also the aircraft carrier insulation 
> was asbestos and it would fall out as a fine dust from the overhead, but 
> they say less than 30% develop that miezelathomia, they decomminished 
> the boat when aspostes was declared bad.
> 
> the usa guys in iraq and afganistan had it far worser, 120 degree heat

Doesn't matter what happens in military service. All
the way to one's life itself. That's why it cannot be
beaten by someone who hasn't had that service. For
being in USA I lost a country and my family
environment I could have in there. It's a heavy price
but as I said cannot beat service cause I didn't risk
my life to be here. 

Honor is not just via military service. An American
can feel and have honor for having been part of a
country that has made life much easier for everyone in
the world. Innovations and progress means a lot to
everyone. This thread was only to point out that 4th
of July honor in particular belongs to a people that
are not around anymore. In body and in much of the
spirit as well. You're giving up on those principles
and the government is becoming yet another "British
colony" imposed on you. The Americans of late 1700s
wouldn't allow that. 

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#587723

On 7/2/2016 4:16 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:01:42 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>
>> On 7/2/2016 3:39 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:05:33 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/2/2016 10:18 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have honor, I earned it, didn't steal it.
>>>>
>>>>         You may honor me now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you served in the military I can't beat that. I
>>> didn't.
>>>
>>
>> I was in, and loaded nukes on airplanes, sure I got lots of radiation
>> then, it only affected my spelting, also the aircraft carrier insulation
>> was asbestos and it would fall out as a fine dust from the overhead, but
>> they say less than 30% develop that miezelathomia, they decomminished
>> the boat when aspostes was declared bad.

>> the usa guys in iraq and afganistan had it far worser, 120 degree heat
>
> Doesn't matter what happens in military service. All
> the way to one's life itself. That's why it cannot be
> beaten by someone who hasn't had that service. For
> being in USA I lost a country and my family
> environment I could have in there. It's a heavy price
> but as I said cannot beat service cause I didn't risk
> my life to be here.

> Honor is not just via military service. An American
> can feel and have honor for having been part of a
> country that has made life much easier for everyone in
> the world. Innovations and progress means a lot to
> everyone. This thread was only to point out that 4th
> of July honor in particular belongs to a people that
> are not around anymore. In body and in much of the
> spirit as well. You're giving up on those principles
> and the government is becoming yet another "British
> colony" imposed on you. The Americans of late 1700s
> wouldn't allow that.
>

agree on all.  I have a very old letter from 1820 where a guy talks 
about his life in the Revolutionary war for the US, amazing how much he 
got around, virgina to Rohad Island to philidelphia, to Islands off 
cuba, and no electricity back then, no trains, no bridges, only 
horses...   Much much different than now, yellow fever, etc...  different.

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#587737

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:05:27 -0500, Sergio wrote:

> On 7/2/2016 4:16 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:01:42 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/2/2016 3:39 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 14:05:33 -0500, Sergio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/2/2016 10:18 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>>>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>>>>>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have honor, I earned it, didn't steal it.
>>>>>
>>>>>         You may honor me now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you served in the military I can't beat that. I
>>>> didn't.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was in, and loaded nukes on airplanes, sure I got lots of radiation
>>> then, it only affected my spelting, also the aircraft carrier insulation
>>> was asbestos and it would fall out as a fine dust from the overhead, but
>>> they say less than 30% develop that miezelathomia, they decomminished
>>> the boat when aspostes was declared bad.
> 
>>> the usa guys in iraq and afganistan had it far worser, 120 degree heat
>>
>> Doesn't matter what happens in military service. All
>> the way to one's life itself. That's why it cannot be
>> beaten by someone who hasn't had that service. For
>> being in USA I lost a country and my family
>> environment I could have in there. It's a heavy price
>> but as I said cannot beat service cause I didn't risk
>> my life to be here.
> 
>> Honor is not just via military service. An American
>> can feel and have honor for having been part of a
>> country that has made life much easier for everyone in
>> the world. Innovations and progress means a lot to
>> everyone. This thread was only to point out that 4th
>> of July honor in particular belongs to a people that
>> are not around anymore. In body and in much of the
>> spirit as well. You're giving up on those principles
>> and the government is becoming yet another "British
>> colony" imposed on you. The Americans of late 1700s
>> wouldn't allow that.
>>
> 
> agree on all.  I have a very old letter from 1820 where a guy talks 
> about his life in the Revolutionary war for the US, amazing how much he 
> got around, virgina to Rohad Island to philidelphia, to Islands off 
> cuba, and no electricity back then, no trains, no bridges, only 
> horses...   Much much different than now, yellow fever, etc...  different.

Reduce the population far enough and those principles
again become available to be had :)

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#587717

On Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 8:18:33 AM UTC-7, ClutterFreak wrote:
> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
> You're not the ones who had that honor.

  Per your explanation downthread, no, I didn't, but also as you say I feel I share in it because I did serve. (They didn't have an Air Force back then, but if they could have they would have.) If you feel otherwise, please explain why risking one's life to perpetuate what others else risked their lives to create is less honorable.

  Anyway, by analogy I shouldn't feel responsible for the racism of others with whom I share skin color but not racist attitudes or actions?

  Thanks, I've always felt that way.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#587743

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 15:58:31 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
wrote:

> On Saturday, July 2, 2016 at 8:18:33 AM UTC-7, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> Don't attempt to steal the honor you don't have.
>> You're not the ones who had that honor.
> 
>   Per your explanation downthread, no, I didn't, but also as 
> you say I feel I share in it because I did serve. (They 
> didn't have an Air Force back then, but if they could have 
> they would have.) If you feel otherwise, please explain why 
> risking one's life to perpetuate what others else risked 
> their lives to create is less honorable.
> 

No it's not less honorable. If you have served that's
it. Nothing will beat that. Regardless of what you did
in the service. Cause in principle you were ready to
(and could) die for it. One cannot offer more. 

>   Anyway, by analogy I shouldn't feel responsible for the 
> racism of others with whom I share skin color but not 
> racist attitudes or actions?
> 

I didn't quite get your point. 

>   Thanks, I've always felt that way.
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

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