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  Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 13:13 -0500
    Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 11:36 -0700
      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 14:06 -0500
        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 12:41 -0700
        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 12:49 -0700
          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 15:14 -0500
          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:42 -0500
            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-05 23:24 -0700
      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-05 17:44 -0400
    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-05 14:00 -0500
    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 22:41 +0200
      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:03 -0500
        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 23:53 +0200
          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 17:11 -0500
            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:55 -0700
              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 08:59 -0500
                Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 07:24 -0700
                  Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:51 -0500
                    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 08:05 -0700
                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 08:14 -0700
                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:38 -0500
                        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:24 -0700
                          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:27 -0500
                            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:39 -0700
                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:56 -0500
                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:37 -0700
                                Re: Physics questions for John Sefton "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-10-06 12:22 -0700
                                  Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:53 -0700
                                    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 13:07 -0700
                                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 14:47 -0700
                                        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:58 -0700
                                          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 17:14 -0700
                                            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 17:29 -0700
                                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 20:27 -0700
                                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:26 -0500
                                            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 06:17 +0000
                                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:36 -0700
                                          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:38 -0700
                                            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 00:16 -0700
                                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 04:23 -0700
                                                Re: Physics questions for John Sefton benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-08 16:42 -0400
                                                  Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 13:55 -0700
                                                    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-08 21:18 +0000
                                                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 14:35 -0700
                                                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-08 19:00 -0400
                                              Re: Physics questions for John Sefton moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 13:15 +0000
                                                Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:44 -0700
                                                  Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:55 -0500
                                                  Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:04 -0700
                                                    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:10 -0700
                                                    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 08:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:34 -0500
                                                        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:40 -0700
                                                          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 14:02 -0500
                                                  Re: Physics questions for John Sefton moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 19:54 +0000
                                                    Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 15:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Physics questions for John Sefton HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 16:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 19:03 -0700
                                                          Re: Physics questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 21:13 -0500
                                                            Re: Physics questions for John Sefton john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 19:45 -0700
        Re: Physics questions for John Sefton noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 20:06 -0700

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#599554 — Physics questions for John Sefton

John, you believe in God.
Scripture says that "In the beginning" God created all things, all form, 
all structure. Before his creative act in the beginning, everything "was 
formless and empty". These are words breathed-into by the God you 
believe in.

So prior to God's creative act:
- Were there three spatial dimensions? Who chose 3?
- Was there time? What was happening during this time?
- Were there laws of physics at work, things causing other things? If 
so, then what did God do in his creation process?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599560

Odd Bodkin
John, you believe in God. 
Scripture says that "In the beginning" God created all things, all form, 
all structure. Before his creative act in the beginning, everything "was 
formless and empty". These are words breathed-into by the God you 
believe in. 

So prior to God's creative act: 
- Were there three spatial dimensions? Who chose 3? 
- Was there time? What was happening during this time? 
- Were there laws of physics at work, things causing other things? If 
so, then what did God do in his creation process? 
--------

And how did god originate?

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#599565

On 10/5/2016 1:36 PM, HVAC wrote:
> Odd Bodkin
> John, you believe in God.
> Scripture says that "In the beginning" God created all things, all form,
> all structure. Before his creative act in the beginning, everything "was
> formless and empty". These are words breathed-into by the God you
> believe in.
>
> So prior to God's creative act:
> - Were there three spatial dimensions? Who chose 3?
> - Was there time? What was happening during this time?
> - Were there laws of physics at work, things causing other things? If
> so, then what did God do in his creation process?
> --------
>
> And how did god originate?
>

Well, have to be careful there. Assumes a law that everything has an 
origin.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599568

Odd Bodkin
- show quoted text -
Well, have to be careful there. Assumes a law that everything has an 
origin. 
- show quoted text -
--------

Exactly. But if 'god' doesn't need a cause, neither does the universe

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#599569

You guys!
All that stuff is above my pay grade.
And yours.

That kind of knowledge you
can't buy- unlike your diploma.

Try India.
I hear there's an Ascended Master
that frequents the mountain tops.
The ones he goes to are only
accessible by air, but- hey- you're
physicists, and this is the Age of the Drone.

Good luck!
If you succeed, I'm sure I won't hear
from you again.

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#599574

On 10/5/2016 2:49 PM, john wrote:
> You guys!
> All that stuff is above my pay grade.
> And yours.

Exactly! Which is why assuming things like "Universal time" is above 
your pay grade.

>
> That kind of knowledge you
> can't buy- unlike your diploma.
>
> Try India.
> I hear there's an Ascended Master
> that frequents the mountain tops.
> The ones he goes to are only
> accessible by air, but- hey- you're
> physicists, and this is the Age of the Drone.
>
> Good luck!
> If you succeed, I'm sure I won't hear
> from you again.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599589

On 10/5/2016 2:49 PM, john wrote:
> You guys!
> All that stuff is above my pay grade.
> And yours.

And so this is why, John, you jump above your pay grade to announce that 
"The Universe has Always Been".

How do you reconcile that with "In the beginning, God created...."?

>
> That kind of knowledge you
> can't buy- unlike your diploma.
>
> Try India.
> I hear there's an Ascended Master
> that frequents the mountain tops.
> The ones he goes to are only
> accessible by air, but- hey- you're
> physicists, and this is the Age of the Drone.
>
> Good luck!
> If you succeed, I'm sure I won't hear
> from you again.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599656

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:42:29 AM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 10/5/2016 2:49 PM, john wrote:
> > You guys!
> > All that stuff is above my pay grade.
> > And yours.
> 
> And so this is why, John, you jump above your pay grade to announce that 
> "The Universe has Always Been".
> 
> How do you reconcile that with "In the beginning, God created...."?
> 
> >
> > That kind of knowledge you
> > can't buy- unlike your diploma.
> >
> > Try India.
> > I hear there's an Ascended Master
> > that frequents the mountain tops.
> > The ones he goes to are only
> > accessible by air, but- hey- you're
> > physicists, and this is the Age of the Drone.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > If you succeed, I'm sure I won't hear
> > from you again.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
===========================
if you replace God
by NATURE 
then it is o k !! 
just as simple as that
-
as you know me 
I like simplicity 
I thing yjat even nature kikes simplicity as much as can
be  
2
Nature was always there...
IT CAN T BE OTHER WISE !!!
it cant be otherwise !!
full stop 
-
ATB
Y.Porat
==================

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#599590

On 10/5/2016 2:36 PM, HVAC wrote:
> Odd Bodkin
> John, you believe in God.
> Scripture says that "In the beginning" God created all things, all form,
> all structure. Before his creative act in the beginning, everything "was
> formless and empty". These are words breathed-into by the God you
> believe in.
>
> So prior to God's creative act:
> - Were there three spatial dimensions? Who chose 3?
> - Was there time? What was happening during this time?
> - Were there laws of physics at work, things causing other things? If
> so, then what did God do in his creation process?
> --------
>
> And how did god originate?
>
The Big God Bang!  Bwahahahahaha!

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#599564

On 10/5/2016 1:13 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> John, you believe in God.
> Scripture says that "In the beginning" God created all things, all form,
> all structure. Before his creative act in the beginning, everything "was
> formless and empty". These are words breathed-into by the God you
> believe in.
>
> So prior to God's creative act:
> - Were there three spatial dimensions? Who chose 3?
> - Was there time? What was happening during this time?
> - Were there laws of physics at work, things causing other things? If
> so, then what did God do in his creation process?
>

that was before the beginning.
no such thing,  like going through an event horizon, or  (-1)^(1/2)

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#599576

Odd Bodkin wrote:

> […]

Go away.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#599580

On 10/5/2016 3:41 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> […]
>
> Go away.
>

That made me smile. I think I'll stay because you're here to amuse me.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599594

Odd Bodkin wrote:

> On 10/5/2016 3:41 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> […]
>> Go away.
> 
> That made me smile. I think I'll stay because you're here to amuse me.

This is a public *scientific* newsgroup on *physics*, and not your personal 
private amusement park.  Your personal vendetta with the blissfully 
ignorant, trollish John Sefton is getting old and was never anything but 
pointless to begin with.  In particular, a discussion about religious belief 
is *off-topic* here.

But if you think that you are not in enough killfiles already, then please, 
go ahead.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#599599

On 10/5/2016 4:53 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/2016 3:41 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> […]
>>> Go away.
>>
>> That made me smile. I think I'll stay because you're here to amuse me.
>
> This is a public *scientific* newsgroup on *physics*, and not your personal
> private amusement park.  Your personal vendetta with the blissfully
> ignorant, trollish John Sefton is getting old and was never anything but
> pointless to begin with.  In particular, a discussion about religious belief
> is *off-topic* here.

John has some beliefs about certain physical laws that he thinks holds 
true. Like "The Universe has Always Been" and "Everything has Structure" 
and "There is no first, because there was always before." So I'm asking 
him on what basis he believes these things, especially since he also 
believes in other things, like "In the Beginning, God created...."

So the question being asked here is about how one knows scientifically. 
Or if you like, if physicists believe this or that statement is true, on 
what basis do they come to believe that it is true? If you don't think 
that is on topic in a science newsgroup, then I'm afraid you're not very 
good at inferring a deeper point, which is rather what I would expect 
from a pedantic twat.

>
> But if you think that you are not in enough killfiles already, then please,
> go ahead.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599630

Odd said
"
John has some beliefs about certain physical laws that he thinks holds 
true. Like "The Universe has Always Been" and "Everything has Structure" "

Yes.

"and "There is no first, because there was always before.""

No. This is opposite to directly above.

" So I'm asking 
him on what basis he believes these things, especially since he also 
believes in other things, like "In the Beginning, God created...." "

No. Never mentioned it.

You get things all mixed up in there,
don't you, Odd?
You know, reading a lot, you have to
decide who you believe. 

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#599671

On 10/5/2016 6:55 PM, john wrote:
> Odd said
> "
> John has some beliefs about certain physical laws that he thinks holds
> true. Like "The Universe has Always Been" and "Everything has Structure" "
>
> Yes.
>
> "and "There is no first, because there was always before.""
>
> No. This is opposite to directly above.

:) How so?

>
> " So I'm asking
> him on what basis he believes these things, especially since he also
> believes in other things, like "In the Beginning, God created...." "
>
> No. Never mentioned it.

Oh, ok, so when you've said that so-and-so is anti-God, you're thinking 
that they're anti- to your particular version of God. Good to know.

>
> You get things all mixed up in there,
> don't you, Odd?
> You know, reading a lot, you have to
> decide who you believe.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599674

Odd
What is your faith?
Do you have one?
QM?
Chaos?
Nature?

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#599677

On 10/6/2016 9:24 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> What is your faith?

I don't bring faith into scientific matters.

All I know is that you have mocked me for being "anti-God" when your own 
statements do not align with the Judaeo-Christian God. So you are 
apparently anti-God as well, but feel free to mock others for it. What 
gives?

> Do you have one?
> QM?
> Chaos?
> Nature?
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#599681

Odd said
"
I don't bring faith into scientific matters. 
"

????
YOU just DID!!!!

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#599683

Odd
You may want to read your first
post in this thread and compare
it with your last.

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