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| First post | 2018-08-31 10:42 -0700 |
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Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 10:42 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:40 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:10 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 21:07 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:22 -0400
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 22:34 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-31 19:26 -0500
Re: Einstein on the speed of light jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2018-08-31 18:32 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:09 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2018-08-31 21:29 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:05 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:27 -0400
Re: Einstein on the speed of light jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2018-08-31 23:10 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-31 19:25 -0500
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-31 14:04 -0500
Re: Einstein on the speed of light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 12:27 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-31 14:33 -0500
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 12:46 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-31 13:05 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:08 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:07 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 13:12 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2018-08-31 21:31 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-31 15:41 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2018-08-31 23:13 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2018-08-31 21:30 +0000
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:04 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 16:09 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 18:49 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 13:53 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-07 17:16 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-10 18:04 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-06 21:03 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-08-31 14:57 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:06 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-31 15:40 -0700
Re: Einstein on the speed of light Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 23:00 -0700
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| From | Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 10:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Einstein on the speed of light |
| Message-ID | <3bef56c3-325a-4abb-93f8-8c158a3eb300@googlegroups.com> |
I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? According Einstein a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible But does Einstein say anything about c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light Is c) possible or impossible? Musatov
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pmc23e$rs7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700594 |
Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship > capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say > anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > According Einstein > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > But does Einstein say anything about > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > Musatov > Impossible. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 13:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <946f2b25-9be4-4f7e-b0d7-d17f58b07063@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700597 |
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:40:51 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship > > capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say > > anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > > > According Einstein > > > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > > > But does Einstein say anything about > > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > > > Musatov > > > > Impossible. > > -- > Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables If your signature is real, I would love to see some of your work. Is it online? Musatov
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 21:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pmcamp$1aij$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700610 |
Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:40:51 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship >>> capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say >>> anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? >>> >>> According Einstein >>> >>> a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible >>> b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible >>> >>> But does Einstein say anything about >>> c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light >>> >>> Is c) possible or impossible? >>> >>> Musatov >>> >> >> Impossible. >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > If your signature is real, I would love to see some of your work. Is it online? Yes. In limited fashion. > Musatov > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 18:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pmcf3u$1hn5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700614 |
On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:40:51 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship >>>> capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say >>>> anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? >>>> >>>> According Einstein >>>> >>>> a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible >>>> b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible >>>> >>>> But does Einstein say anything about >>>> c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light >>>> >>>> Is c) possible or impossible? >>>> >>>> Musatov >>>> >>> >>> Impossible. >>> >>> -- >>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >> >> If your signature is real, I would love to see some of your work. Is it online? > > Yes. In limited fashion. > >> Musatov >> For Odd, the ability to continue his anonymous pseudo-scientific blather online is FAR more important than having customers. His business is secret! Take you money and shove it up your butt.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 22:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pmcfqe$1ipk$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700641 |
benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:40:51 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship >>>>> capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say >>>>> anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? >>>>> >>>>> According Einstein >>>>> >>>>> a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible >>>>> b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible >>>>> >>>>> But does Einstein say anything about >>>>> c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light >>>>> >>>>> Is c) possible or impossible? >>>>> >>>>> Musatov >>>>> >>>> >>>> Impossible. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >>> If your signature is real, I would love to see some of your work. Is it online? >> >> Yes. In limited fashion. >> >>> Musatov >>> > > For Odd, the ability to continue his anonymous pseudo-scientific blather > online is FAR more important than having customers. I have plenty of business. I now have an apprentice on salary. My word of mouth traffic is spectacular. And I can dictate my own hours and am my own boss. I know a master electrician that runs his business the same way. > His business is > secret! Take you money and shove it up your butt. > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 19:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pmcmd0$1qs3$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700644 |
On 8/31/2018 5:34 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:40:51 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship >>>>>> capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say >>>>>> anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? >>>>>> >>>>>> According Einstein >>>>>> >>>>>> a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible >>>>>> b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible >>>>>> >>>>>> But does Einstein say anything about >>>>>> c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light >>>>>> >>>>>> Is c) possible or impossible? >>>>>> >>>>>> Musatov >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Impossible. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>> >>>> If your signature is real, I would love to see some of your work. Is it online? >>> >>> Yes. In limited fashion. >>> >>>> Musatov >>>> >> >> For Odd, the ability to continue his anonymous pseudo-scientific blather >> online is FAR more important than having customers. > > I have plenty of business. I now have an apprentice on salary. My word of > mouth traffic is spectacular. And I can dictate my own hours and am my own > boss. > > I know a master electrician that runs his business the same way. > Master Electricians make BIG BUCKS too, same w master plumbers (160k+) >> His business is >> secret! Take you money and shove it up your butt. >> > > > > >
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 18:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <26eo5f-ecr.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #700594 |
Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > According Einstein > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > But does Einstein say anything about > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > Musatov Impossible and this is what Einstein actually said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Causality_and_prohibition_of_motion_faster_than_light -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 13:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f3fcbd09-6f1d-4c4f-b19b-b26711641f11@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700598 |
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > > > According Einstein > > > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > > > But does Einstein say anything about > > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > > > Musatov > > Impossible and this is what Einstein actually said: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Causality_and_prohibition_of_motion_faster_than_light > > > -- > Jim Pennino Hi Jim, But unless I missed something there is no specific reference to equality of matter and light moving at the same speed... Musatov
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 21:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <thoo5f-2fs.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #700609 |
Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? >> > >> > According Einstein >> > >> > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible >> > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible >> > >> > But does Einstein say anything about >> > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light >> > >> > Is c) possible or impossible? >> > >> > Musatov >> >> Impossible and this is what Einstein actually said: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Causality_and_prohibition_of_motion_faster_than_light >> >> >> -- >> Jim Pennino > > Hi Jim, > > But unless I missed something there is no specific reference to equality of matter and light moving at the same speed... > > Musatov What you seemed to have missed is a grade school education in general and algebra specifically. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 15:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6e7cc748-b933-4dc6-8816-f169bbaadcfe@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700621 |
Admittedly I was distracted during Algebra, but I am currently in an MBA program at the #34 college in the midwest.
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| From | benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 18:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pmcfc2$1hn5$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700637 |
On 8/31/2018 6:05 PM, Musatov wrote: > Admittedly I was distracted during Algebra, but I am currently in an MBA program at the #34 college in the midwest. > Great. I'm pretty sure there will be a "math appreciation" course somewhere in the MBA program.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 23:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eguo5f-c0t.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #700637 |
Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> wrote: > Admittedly I was distracted during Algebra, but I am currently in an MBA program at the #34 college in the midwest. I would suggest taking a real algebra course until you realize the answers to your questions are self evident. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 19:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pmcma5$1qs3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700637 |
On 8/31/2018 5:05 PM, Musatov wrote: > Admittedly I was distracted during Algebra, but I am currently in an MBA program at the #34 college in the midwest. > MBA's don't do math. Financial Advisers don't do math.
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 14:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pmc3g7$ug9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700594 |
On 8/31/2018 12:42 PM, Musatov wrote: > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > According Einstein > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > But does Einstein say anything about > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > Musatov > nope, just look at the equations. remember as you approch the speed of light, your mass becomes infinite, and it takes you an infinate amount of energy to go that fast. assume you got a 10 ton space craft and want to go 50% c. how much energy does it take to go that fast ?
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 12:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <29b4bb0a-ac54-49f8-a13d-a81e63dc4880@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700600 |
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:04:45 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote: > On 8/31/2018 12:42 PM, Musatov wrote: > > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > > > According Einstein > > > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > > > But does Einstein say anything about > > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > > > Musatov > > > Matter can move behind light in the same direction but could never catch up... Light has the fastest leading motion in the universe. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 14:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <pmc577$11d3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #700602 |
On 8/31/2018 2:27 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:04:45 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
>> On 8/31/2018 12:42 PM, Musatov wrote:
>>> I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light?
>>>
>>> According Einstein
>>>
>>> a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible
>>> b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible
>>>
>>> But does Einstein say anything about
>>> c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light
>>>
>>> Is c) possible or impossible?
>>>
>>> Musatov
>>>
>>
>
> Matter can move behind light in the same direction but could never catch up...
> Light has the fastest leading motion in the universe.
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
>
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| From | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 12:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6baeadc6-0937-40e2-ad28-86fb506ef944@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700594 |
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:42:08 AM UTC-7, Musatov wrote: > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > According Einstein > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > But does Einstein say anything about > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > Musatov Fermi lab got electrons up to 99.999999999 of c.At that speed it weighed 37,000 times its rest mass.I wonder how this effected its rate of spin? Bert
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 13:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a0475efe-02ea-4683-aca4-8a305e57bde7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700604 |
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:46:15 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote: > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:42:08 AM UTC-7, Musatov wrote: > > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > > > According Einstein > > > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > > > But does Einstein say anything about > > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > > > Musatov > > Fermi lab got electrons up to 99.999999999 of c.At that speed it weighed 37,000 times its rest mass.I wonder how this effected its rate of spin? Bert So how does it spin half way Roy Masters? Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Musatov <tomusatov@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-08-31 13:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1938791c-833b-4f1a-98b3-3ecd6fe18c9f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #700606 |
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:05:05 PM UTC-5, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:46:15 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 wrote: > > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:42:08 AM UTC-7, Musatov wrote: > > > I have heard according to Einstein you could not build a spaceship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light. But did Einstein say anything about building a spaceship capable of traveling at the same speed as light? > > > > > > According Einstein > > > > > > a) Spaceship travels at speed < speed of light is possible > > > b) Spaceship travels at speed > speed of light is impossible > > > > > > But does Einstein say anything about > > > c) Spaceship travels at speed = speed of light > > > > > > Is c) possible or impossible? > > > > > > Musatov > > > > Fermi lab got electrons up to 99.999999999 of c.At that speed it weighed 37,000 times its rest mass.I wonder how this effected its rate of spin? Bert > > So how does it spin half way Roy Masters? > > Mitchell Raemsch Always love to hear from a fan/stalker. Musatov
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