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  Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) - 2015-08-05 02:24 +0000
    Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 02:03 -0400
      Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:18 -0400
        Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 07:31 -0500
          Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 19:03 -0400
            Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 21:00 -0500
              Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 06:03 -0400
      Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2015-08-05 22:46 -0400
        no, and yes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:50 -0700
    Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) - 2015-08-05 17:45 +0000
    Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation The BORG <borg@future.com> - 2015-08-06 05:59 +0100
      Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2015-08-06 18:53 -0400
        Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-06 23:00 +0000
          Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2015-08-08 22:24 -0400
            Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-09 03:14 +0000
              Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2015-08-09 03:04 -0400
            fakirs raise your paws noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 16:49 -0700
    Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-06 12:42 -0700
      Re: Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 12:31 -0700

#511306 — Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation

Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be
the playthings of an advanced civilisation

o Physicists say there is a possibility that our world is
merely a simulation

o They claim there may be evidence of this if only we
know where to look 

o For instance, some of the laws of physics may not quite
add up, they say

By Ellie Zolfagharifard for DailyMail.com
Daily Mail Online
Tuesday, August 4, 2015

The year is 2050 and super-intelligent robots have taken
over the planet.

Except you have no idea, because you're living in a
computer simulation, depicting what life was like in
2015.

Everything you see and touch right now has been created
by robotic overlords who are using humanity as playthings
in their virtual game.

That's the radical theory put forward by a number of
scientists over the years, who claim there is a
possibility that our world as we know it is fake.

Continues at:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3185261/Is-universe-FAKE-Physicists-claim-playthings-advanced-civilisation.html

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

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#511317

On 08/04/2015 10:24 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be
> the playthings of an advanced civilisation
>
> o Physicists say there is a possibility that our world is
> merely a simulation
>
> o They claim there may be evidence of this if only we
> know where to look
>
> o For instance, some of the laws of physics may not quite
> add up, they say
>
> By Ellie Zolfagharifard for DailyMail.com
> Daily Mail Online
> Tuesday, August 4, 2015
>
> The year is 2050 and super-intelligent robots have taken
> over the planet.
>
> Except you have no idea, because you're living in a
> computer simulation, depicting what life was like in
> 2015.
>
> Everything you see and touch right now has been created
> by robotic overlords who are using humanity as playthings
> in their virtual game.
>
> That's the radical theory put forward by a number of
> scientists over the years, who claim there is a
> possibility that our world as we know it is fake.
>
> Continues at:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3185261/Is-universe-FAKE-Physicists-claim-playthings-advanced-civilisation.html
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

Sure Jai. What a "radical" "new" theory! If you'd have gotten a proper 
education you'd have heard this idea from an old cat named Plato.

The REAL problem isn't a "computer simulation" but a "news simulation" 
as "overlords" and their lackeys (HVAC) create illusions they try to 
pass off as reality to cover up their crimes as they secretly run the 
world.



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#511328

On 8/5/2015 2:03 AM, benj wrote:
>
> The REAL problem isn't a "computer simulation" but a "news simulation"
> as "overlords" and their lackeys (HVAC) create illusions they try to
> pass off as reality to cover up their crimes as they secretly run the
> world.


'Secretly' Lol



-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#511719

On 8/5/2015 5:18 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 8/5/2015 2:03 AM, benj wrote:
>>
>> The REAL problem isn't a "computer simulation" but a "news simulation"
>> as "overlords" and their lackeys (HVAC) create illusions they try to
>> pass off as reality to cover up their crimes as they secretly run the
>> world.
>
>
> 'Secretly' Lol
>
>
>

haven't you seen "The Matrix" ?
there are 3 of them, full length Hollywood documentaries.

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#511815

On 8/7/2015 8:31 AM, gilber34 wrote:
> On 8/5/2015 5:18 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> On 8/5/2015 2:03 AM, benj wrote:
>>>
>>> The REAL problem isn't a "computer simulation" but a "news simulation"
>>> as "overlords" and their lackeys (HVAC) create illusions they try to
>>> pass off as reality to cover up their crimes as they secretly run the
>>> world.
>>
>>
>> 'Secretly' Lol
>>
>>
>>
>
> haven't you seen "The Matrix" ?
> there are 3 of them, full length Hollywood documentaries.


So what?

-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#511834

On 8/7/2015 6:03 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 8/7/2015 8:31 AM, gilber34 wrote:
>> On 8/5/2015 5:18 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>> On 8/5/2015 2:03 AM, benj wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The REAL problem isn't a "computer simulation" but a "news simulation"
>>>> as "overlords" and their lackeys (HVAC) create illusions they try to
>>>> pass off as reality to cover up their crimes as they secretly run the
>>>> world.
>>>
>>>
>>> 'Secretly' Lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> haven't you seen "The Matrix" ?
>> there are 3 of them, full length Hollywood documentaries.
>
>
> So what?
>

so, you are matrix,
not me, I am real

your view of *reality* is severely distorted, if at all.

you can get a shot to fix that, to be in real world, they plug it into 
your head.

nutz, it not working, sorry for you, dude

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#511862

On 8/7/2015 10:00 PM, gilber34 wrote:
>
>>> haven't you seen "The Matrix" ?
>>> there are 3 of them, full length Hollywood documentaries.
>>
>>
>> So what?
>>
>
> so, you are matrix,
> not me, I am real
>
> your view of *reality* is severely distorted, if at all.
>
> you can get a shot to fix that, to be in real world, they plug it into
> your head.
>
> nutz, it not working, sorry for you, dude


I understand


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#511506

Our universe IS fake ... well, let's say it acts like a sort
of computer program. Peruse Wolframs tome "A new
kind of science" and see how all the laws of physics 
can be modeled as emergent properties of "cellular
automata" ... ie tiny bits of energy that interact with
each other according to a fairly simple set of rules.

Those bits, those "cells" ... not very different than
"super-strings". 

This does not mean anyone/anything intentionally
created this "machine" however. The "cells" just
do what they do, and all the more complicated stuff
evolves around that. 

Now extreme case, yes, it COULD be a deliberate
simulation created by "something" ... but that's a
much more complex scenario, requiring a lot of
ducks lining up. Occams razor suggests the
simplest analysis, undirected self-evolution where
the "computer" and "program" are one in the same.

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#511759 — no, and yes

that is a very tiresome tome, couldn't get much out of it ... but
I do not do programming, since college

> of computer program. Peruse Wolframs tome "A new
> kind of science" and see how all the laws of physics 
> can be modeled as emergent properties of "cellular
> automata" ... ie tiny bits of energy that interact with
> each other according to a fairly simple set of rules.
> 
> Those bits, those "cells" ... not very different than
> "super-strings".

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#511414

In alt.philosophy, in article
<e9b1f499-92b2-4b2d-9c92-05049794d700@googlegroups.com>, 
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
> 
> > Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be
> > the playthings of an advanced civilisation
> > 
> > o Physicists say there is a possibility that our world is
> > merely a simulation
> > 
> > . . .

> They are getting all their inputs from the Star Trek serial, now.
> In one of these works, the role of 3D simulation was emphasised.
> Wow, what poverty of mind!

Hollywood has a huge effect on some people. From today's
news from Los Angeles:

Shirtless Man Claims to Be Tarzan, Tries Swinging Into
Monkey Exhibit at O.C. Zoo; Was Likely on Meth: Police

KTLA
Wednesday, August 5, 2015

http://ktlane.ws/1Dqkn0z

Or,

http://ktla.com/2015/08/05/shirtless-man-claims-to-be-tarzan-tries-swinging-into-monkey-exhibit-at-o-c-zoo-was-likely-under-influence-of-meth-police/

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

http://bit.ly/1EM9nsg

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#511518

It is not fake, because people think it is real - it depneds on what
your definition is of what is real.
When you become intelligent, which you can do if you question all you
see and hear and read, then you will be bound to question the nature
of reality and whether matter is fixed or transient or whether matter
only exists when it is observed and other similar considerations.

But people are not supposed to know that it is any kind of Matrix
Illusion, only the Gods and Angels and other higher level men know the
Truth about that kind of thing.
It is better for ordinary people to continue going round and round in
circles getting nowhere with philsophy or deep and meaninglufl
questions as they are basically not intelligent enough to know the
Truth or to embrace the Truth.
And they are not open minded enough.  Most Earth people are closed
minded, or bigoted and they cannot consider or embrace the Truth. They
prefer their small minded thoughts and opinions that they get from
other men or from other men's books or words or religions, or worse,
that they get from women.

And what point would there be anyway in knowning that the Gods and
Higher Beings can control their lives and thoughts and inspirations
and destinies?  That they can control matter and nature and time?
That they control life and death and sickness and health?
The people of Earth should live and work and do their mating and
breeding like the animals do, and only in exceptional cases would
there be a man who may be chosen.  One who does question and find the
right answers and who can leave the hell hole of Earth and move to
higher things and higher places.

But that does not happen often, and most men are tempted into sins of
flesh and body and materialism by women and so they all fail.

You must deny women to rise higher and join the Gods and find the
Truth and the answers to those kind of questions.
You must resists the animal temptations and be a MAN.
If you worshp women, then you can only ever be a mortal man and will
never know the answers or the Truth and you can never have any Power
or Control.

So why bother asking?
If you believe in the Gods or that kind of thing, then you know
perfectly well that they can do ANYTHING.
So why bother asking?

Does it matter?
Is that not what people are really afraid of?
To find that it really is a Delusion and is not real?
Why not live in ignorance, after all ignorance is bliss and stop
trying to find out the Truth.
Leave that to the Gods.
You cannot do anything about it anyway, so why bother?



On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 02:24:58 GMT, alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com
(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

>Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be
>the playthings of an advanced civilisation
>
>o Physicists say there is a possibility that our world is
>merely a simulation
>
>o They claim there may be evidence of this if only we
>know where to look 
>
>o For instance, some of the laws of physics may not quite
>add up, they say
>
>By Ellie Zolfagharifard for DailyMail.com
>Daily Mail Online
>Tuesday, August 4, 2015
>
>The year is 2050 and super-intelligent robots have taken
>over the planet.
>
>Except you have no idea, because you're living in a
>computer simulation, depicting what life was like in
>2015.
>
>Everything you see and touch right now has been created
>by robotic overlords who are using humanity as playthings
>in their virtual game.
>
>That's the radical theory put forward by a number of
>scientists over the years, who claim there is a
>possibility that our world as we know it is fake.
>
>Continues at:
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3185261/Is-universe-FAKE-Physicists-claim-playthings-advanced-civilisation.html
>
>Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
>Om Shanti
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

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#511677

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:59:14 +0100, The BORG <borg@future.com> wrote:

>It is not fake, because people think it is real - it depneds on what
>your definition is of what is real.

   The Buddha acknowledged that there IS an
   underlying reality .... but also understood that
   we'd never really grasp it in its raw form. We'll
   always be viewing it though "human-colored
   glasses" ... the product of what we are, where
   we evolved, how smart we are. The "stuff"
   of the universe is just stuff - but HUMANS 
   always attach MEANINGS and VALUES, 
   SHAPES and FORMS to the "stuff". We do
   not look at what the universe *is*, but at
   what it means to us, how it impacts our
   little monkey brains. 

   IMHO this view is also a logical extension of
   Platos allegory of the cave ... 'reality' exists, but
   WHAT it is is mostly a product of what we
   THINK it is. We all live in a "cave" - our humanity -
   and that biases our views and interpretations. 

   Oh, and that "raw" reality surely ACTS like a
   computer - closest to Wolframs ideas about
   emergent properties of cellular automatons.
   Doesn't mean anyone MADE it though, just
   the logical consequences of those "computing
   cells" (super-strings?) humming along next
   to each other. 

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#511679

In sci.physics Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:59:14 +0100, The BORG <borg@future.com> wrote:
>>It is not fake, because people think it is real - it depneds on what
>>your definition is of what is real.
>   The Buddha acknowledged that there IS an
>   underlying reality .... but also understood that
>   we'd never really grasp it in its raw form. We'll
>   always be viewing it though "human-colored
>   glasses" ... the product of what we are, where
>   we evolved, how smart we are. The "stuff"
>   of the universe is just stuff - but HUMANS 
>   always attach MEANINGS and VALUES, 
>   SHAPES and FORMS to the "stuff". We do
>   not look at what the universe *is*, but at
>   what it means to us, how it impacts our
>   little monkey brains. 
>   IMHO this view is also a logical extension of
>   Platos allegory of the cave ... 'reality' exists, but
>   WHAT it is is mostly a product of what we
>   THINK it is. We all live in a "cave" - our humanity -
>   and that biases our views and interpretations. 
>   Oh, and that "raw" reality surely ACTS like a
>   computer - closest to Wolframs ideas about
>   emergent properties of cellular automatons.
>   Doesn't mean anyone MADE it though, just
>   the logical consequences of those "computing
>   cells" (super-strings?) humming along next
>   to each other. 

Sorry. It you maintain the universe is unknowable you
contradict yourself since you needed to observe the universe
to come to that conclusion.

There are only 2 real positions -- the universe is knowable;
you can't determine whether the universe is knowable or not.

What -- did you think it was gunna be an easy?


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#512040

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 23:00:55 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
<kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:

>In sci.physics Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:59:14 +0100, The BORG <borg@future.com> wrote:
>>>It is not fake, because people think it is real - it depneds on what
>>>your definition is of what is real.
>>   The Buddha acknowledged that there IS an
>>   underlying reality .... but also understood that
>>   we'd never really grasp it in its raw form. We'll
>>   always be viewing it though "human-colored
>>   glasses" ... the product of what we are, where
>>   we evolved, how smart we are. The "stuff"
>>   of the universe is just stuff - but HUMANS 
>>   always attach MEANINGS and VALUES, 
>>   SHAPES and FORMS to the "stuff". We do
>>   not look at what the universe *is*, but at
>>   what it means to us, how it impacts our
>>   little monkey brains. 
>>   IMHO this view is also a logical extension of
>>   Platos allegory of the cave ... 'reality' exists, but
>>   WHAT it is is mostly a product of what we
>>   THINK it is. We all live in a "cave" - our humanity -
>>   and that biases our views and interpretations. 
>>   Oh, and that "raw" reality surely ACTS like a
>>   computer - closest to Wolframs ideas about
>>   emergent properties of cellular automatons.
>>   Doesn't mean anyone MADE it though, just
>>   the logical consequences of those "computing
>>   cells" (super-strings?) humming along next
>>   to each other. 
>
>Sorry. It you maintain the universe is unknowable you
>contradict yourself since you needed to observe the universe
>to come to that conclusion.

   "Super-strings" (or their cellular-automistic description)
   are mathematical, theoretical, objects - not tangible ones.
   In all the years since 'strings' and 'm-branes' were proposed
   nobody's come up with any way to prove they exist. A lot
   of scientists just say it's a pretty kind of "religion". 

   As such, they are yet another product of looking at 'raw
   reality' through those 'human-colored glasses'. 

   Frankly I don't think ANY kind of intelligent being can
   experience 'raw reality'. We'll have to be content
   looking at what passes for 'order' and 'rules' to OUR
   kind of life, OUR kind of brains. 

>There are only 2 real positions -- the universe is knowable;
>you can't determine whether the universe is knowable or not.

   Nonsense. You can know *bits* of the universe - at least
   within the constraints of the species. It's a keyhole view
   however. The 'natural laws' we're so proud of finding, 
   they DO exist, for our kind of universe. If you're a 
   10-dimensional thing however, our "laws" may just be
   illusions, artifacts of a limited perspective. 

>What -- did you think it was gunna be an easy?

   Buddha thought it'd be easy - just stop thinking, "just BE",
   and cast away those confusing and annoying illusions of
   'reality'. In short, make yourself kinda brain-dead ...... which
   is why I'm not a Buddhist. Not the only religion that 
   encourages people to detach themselves from even the
   limited grasp on reality we already have ..... 

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#512041

In sci.physics Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 23:00:55 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
> <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
>>In sci.physics Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:59:14 +0100, The BORG <borg@future.com> wrote:
>>>>It is not fake, because people think it is real - it depneds on what
>>>>your definition is of what is real.
>>>   The Buddha acknowledged that there IS an
>>>   underlying reality .... but also understood that
>>>   we'd never really grasp it in its raw form. We'll
>>>   always be viewing it though "human-colored
>>>   glasses" ... the product of what we are, where
>>>   we evolved, how smart we are. The "stuff"
>>>   of the universe is just stuff - but HUMANS 
>>>   always attach MEANINGS and VALUES, 
>>>   SHAPES and FORMS to the "stuff". We do
>>>   not look at what the universe *is*, but at
>>>   what it means to us, how it impacts our
>>>   little monkey brains. 
...
>>There are only 2 real positions -- the universe is knowable;
>>you can't determine whether the universe is knowable or not.
>   Nonsense. You can know *bits* of the universe - at least

Yes, I should have made it clear I was not some kind of
naive extremist and might be claiming it was "knowable in all detail".

But, again, you now seem to contradict what you said earlier about
everthing being filtered through your monkey brain and being a
distortion. "You can know bits of the universe" today.

This is nice to know. :)

>   within the constraints of the species. It's a keyhole view
>   however. The 'natural laws' we're so proud of finding, 
>   they DO exist, for our kind of universe. If you're a 
>   10-dimensional thing however, our "laws" may just be
>   illusions, artifacts of a limited perspective. 
...

--
The human mind treats a new idea the way the body treats a strange
protein -- it rejects it.
-- P. Medawar

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#512057

On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 03:14:48 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
<kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:

>In sci.physics Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 23:00:55 +0000 (UTC), R Kym Horsell
>> <kym@kymhorsell.com> wrote:
>>>In sci.physics Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:59:14 +0100, The BORG <borg@future.com> wrote:
>>>>>It is not fake, because people think it is real - it depneds on what
>>>>>your definition is of what is real.
>>>>   The Buddha acknowledged that there IS an
>>>>   underlying reality .... but also understood that
>>>>   we'd never really grasp it in its raw form. We'll
>>>>   always be viewing it though "human-colored
>>>>   glasses" ... the product of what we are, where
>>>>   we evolved, how smart we are. The "stuff"
>>>>   of the universe is just stuff - but HUMANS 
>>>>   always attach MEANINGS and VALUES, 
>>>>   SHAPES and FORMS to the "stuff". We do
>>>>   not look at what the universe *is*, but at
>>>>   what it means to us, how it impacts our
>>>>   little monkey brains. 
>...
>>>There are only 2 real positions -- the universe is knowable;
>>>you can't determine whether the universe is knowable or not.
>>   Nonsense. You can know *bits* of the universe - at least
>
>Yes, I should have made it clear I was not some kind of
>naive extremist and might be claiming it was "knowable in all detail".


   Good ... avoid black-n-white, false dichotomies. 


>But, again, you now seem to contradict what you said earlier about
>everthing being filtered through your monkey brain and being a
>distortion. "You can know bits of the universe" today.

   Bits ... but never ALL. What we are - our kind of life - 
   limits us. The trick is to never become arrogant, never
   believe we somehow know it ALL. 

   The Buddha DID see our serious limitations. Alas he
   never really invented a way to get past them. 


>This is nice to know. :)
>
>>   within the constraints of the species. It's a keyhole view
>>   however. The 'natural laws' we're so proud of finding, 
>>   they DO exist, for our kind of universe. If you're a 
>>   10-dimensional thing however, our "laws" may just be
>>   illusions, artifacts of a limited perspective. 
>...

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#512268 — fakirs raise your paws

I still cannot tell, whether the formalism is "ten plus one
dimensional (that is, phase-spatial, or 
really just eleven spatial dimensions,
then include time as the primal "scalar parameter,
as in quaternions (or, "vector mechanics
 
>    10-dimensional thing however, our "laws" may just be
>    illusions, artifacts of a limited perspective. 
> 
> >What -- did you think it was gunna be an easy?
> 
>    Buddha thought it'd be easy - just stop thinking, "just BE",
>    and cast away those confusing and annoying illusions of
>    'reality'. In short, make yourself kinda brain-dead ...... which
>    is why I'm not a Buddhist. Not the only religion that 
>    encourages people to detach themselves from even the
>    limited grasp on reality we already have .....

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#511633

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 7:25:02 PM UTC-7, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be
> the playthings of an advanced civilisation
> 
> o Physicists say there is a possibility that our world is
> merely a simulation
> 
> o They claim there may be evidence of this if only we
> know where to look 
> 
> o For instance, some of the laws of physics may not quite
> add up, they say
> 
> By Ellie Zolfagharifard for DailyMail.com
> Daily Mail Online
> Tuesday, August 4, 2015
> 
> The year is 2050 and super-intelligent robots have taken
> over the planet.
> 
> Except you have no idea, because you're living in a
> computer simulation, depicting what life was like in
> 2015.
> 
> Everything you see and touch right now has been created
> by robotic overlords who are using humanity as playthings
> in their virtual game.
> 
> That's the radical theory put forward by a number of
> scientists over the years, who claim there is a
> possibility that our world as we know it is fake.
> 
> Continues at:
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3185261/Is-universe-FAKE-Physicists-claim-playthings-advanced-civilisation.html
> 
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj


So how could I induce those robotic overlords to simulate for me a pot of gold?

Double-A

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#511775

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2015 at 7:25:02 PM UTC-7, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > Is our universe FAKE? Physicists claim we could all be
> > the playthings of an advanced civilisation
> > 
> > o Physicists say there is a possibility that our world is
> > merely a simulation
> > 
> > o They claim there may be evidence of this if only we
> > know where to look 
> > 
> > o For instance, some of the laws of physics may not quite
> > add up, they say
> > 
> > By Ellie Zolfagharifard for DailyMail.com
> > Daily Mail Online
> > Tuesday, August 4, 2015
> > 
> > The year is 2050 and super-intelligent robots have taken
> > over the planet.
> > 
> > Except you have no idea, because you're living in a
> > computer simulation, depicting what life was like in
> > 2015.
> > 
> > Everything you see and touch right now has been created
> > by robotic overlords who are using humanity as playthings
> > in their virtual game.
> > 
> > That's the radical theory put forward by a number of
> > scientists over the years, who claim there is a
> > possibility that our world as we know it is fake.
> > 
> > Continues at:
> > 
> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3185261/Is-universe-FAKE-Physicists-claim-playthings-advanced-civilisation.html
> > 
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> > 
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj
> 
> 
> So how could I induce those robotic overlords to simulate for me a pot of gold?
> 
> Double-A

AA We create our dreams and the universe would not be jf we were not dreaming.TreBert

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