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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-04-12 18:24 +0000 |
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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-04 12:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 21:25 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:22 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:09 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:42 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-07 15:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 14:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:19 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 18:17 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 00:37 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-10 16:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-11 16:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-12 15:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-05 17:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 15:09 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:57 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:43 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 20:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 23:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 03:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 22:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 06:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:32 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:45 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 16:12 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 01:10 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 06:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:43 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 22:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 17:11 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 04:30 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 23:31 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 01:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:18 -0700
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| From | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon |
| Message-ID | <ndrhgn$k70$2@dont-email.me> |
Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes operational: NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 billion. What are we waiting for? http://www.sciencealert.com/nasa-scientists-say-we-could-colonise-the-moon-by-2022-for-just-10-billion SpaceX designed the Dragon V2 to be able to do Moon missions so don't need the expensive Orion capsule. And the Falcon Heavy especially with Merlin upgrades can do 100+ tons to LEO in two launches, sufficient for a manned lunar flight, so we don't need the expensive SLS. An unmanned test flight could even be done to test the capabilities of the Falcon Heavy on its first test flight, this or next year. Falcon Heavy to the Moon! Bob Clark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital launchers, to 'flying cars'. This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it: Nanotech: from air to space. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "bob haller" wrote in message news:565da13d-c2b2-4b56-a295-69741179fb0d@googlegroups.com... On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 1:02:54 PM UTC-4, dump...@hotmail.com wrote: > "The European Space Agency recently announced plans for an international > moon > base. The agency believes they could start building the complex in 20 > years, with > different countries focusing on their areas of expertise." > > See: > > http://www.techinsider.io/esa-international-moon-base-european-space-agency-2016-3 elon musk will have a mars base way before that. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <28v7tc-4kl.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #567701 |
In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes > operational: > > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 > billion. > What are we waiting for? $10 billion without a better purpose? Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ndu0op$r5n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #567707 |
For your reference, records indicate that jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: > > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes > > operational: > > > > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 > > billion. > > What are we waiting for? > > $10 billion without a better purpose? Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won’t be more like $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. > Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen > as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource to have. -- "Also . . . I can kill you with my brain." River Tam, Trash, Firefly
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| Date | 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #567849 |
In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > For your reference, records indicate that > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes >> > operational: >> > >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 >> > billion. >> > What are we waiting for? >> >> $10 billion without a better purpose? > > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won’t be more like > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. > >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. > > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource > to have. All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. Survival on the Moon or Mars for more than a few minutes requires state of the art technology and constant resupply. The closest thing in history is Antarctica, where there are no colonies but only research stations. I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but sending people is a waste of resources. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-04 12:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7bbfa8d1-8916-4943-a0d6-f8e97257a64d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #567887 |
On Monday, April 4, 2016 at 11:46:05 AM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > > For your reference, records indicate that > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: > >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes > >> > operational: > >> > > >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 > >> > billion. > >> > What are we waiting for? > >> > >> $10 billion without a better purpose? > > > > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a > > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that > > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won't be more like > > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. > > > >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen > >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. > > > > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I > > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and > > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a > > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource > > to have. > > All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and > growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. > > Survival on the Moon or Mars for more than a few minutes requires state > of the art technology and constant resupply. > > The closest thing in history is Antarctica, where there are no colonies > but only research stations. > > I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but > sending people is a waste of resources. > > > -- > Jim Pennino I heard that the Canadians once tried to establish a self-sustaining colony of Eskimos in Antarctica. The experiment failed! Double-A
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <elh5gb9p8mhqrimdtsok1bbvh32gqksigb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #567887 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>growing things ...
>
Generally true.
>
>... where one could be dropped nude and survive.
>
Not so much. Eaten by bears and such.
>
>Survival on the Moon or Mars for more than a few minutes requires state
>of the art technology and constant resupply.
>
Yes and no. In situ resource utilization isn't just a phrase.
>
>The closest thing in history is Antarctica, where there are no colonies
>but only research stations.
>
There are no colonies due to treaties. Note that the same situation
is currently true for celestial bodies.
>
>I'm all for sending swarms of robots throughout the solar system, but
>sending people is a waste of resources.
>
Then sending robots is a waste of resources, too. If people aren't
going, who cares?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7c27b9bce4659fe96934b3127c10672a@remailer.cpunk.us> |
| In reply to | #567887 |
In article <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: > > For your reference, records indicate that > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > > >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: > >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes > >> > operational: > >> > > >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 > >> > billion. > >> > What are we waiting for? > >> > >> $10 billion without a better purpose? > > > > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a > > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that > > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won’t be more like > > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. > > > >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen > >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. > > > > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I > > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and > > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a > > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource > > to have. > > All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and > growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... Iceland? Greenland? Northern Newfundland? Hell, for much of Europe surviving after being dropped nude in the Winter is not likely. If the Pilgrims had landed at Plymouth bare assed in the Winter they would probably not have survived long. You might want to amend your statement about all historical colonies.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <29cdtc-88a.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568008 |
In sci.physics Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> wrote: > In article <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >> > For your reference, records indicate that >> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> > >> >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: >> >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes >> >> > operational: >> >> > >> >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 >> >> > billion. >> >> > What are we waiting for? >> >> >> >> $10 billion without a better purpose? >> > >> > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a >> > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that >> > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won?t be more like >> > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. >> > >> >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen >> >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. >> > >> > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I >> > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and >> > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a >> > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource >> > to have. >> >> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... > > Iceland? Greenland? Northern Newfundland? > > Hell, for much of Europe surviving after being dropped nude in the > Winter is not likely. > > If the Pilgrims had landed at Plymouth bare assed in the Winter > they would probably not have survived long. > > You might want to amend your statement about all historical > colonies. OK, dropped in with nothing more than a heavy winter coat. No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century technology to survive. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6eh8gb5km5r5jfkekgffgks4tcp86vr22j@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #568068 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> wrote:
>> In article <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
>>> > For your reference, records indicate that
>>> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes
>>> >> > operational:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10
>>> >> > billion.
>>> >> > What are we waiting for?
>>> >>
>>> >> $10 billion without a better purpose?
>>> >
>>> > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a
>>> > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that
>>> > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won?t be more like
>>> > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035.
>>> >
>>> >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen
>>> >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting.
>>> >
>>> > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I
>>> > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and
>>> > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a
>>> > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource
>>> > to have.
>>>
>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. ....
>>
>> Iceland? Greenland? Northern Newfundland?
>>
>> Hell, for much of Europe surviving after being dropped nude in the
>> Winter is not likely.
>>
>> If the Pilgrims had landed at Plymouth bare assed in the Winter
>> they would probably not have survived long.
>>
>> You might want to amend your statement about all historical
>> colonies.
>>
>
>OK, dropped in with nothing more than a heavy winter coat.
>
Colonies with insufficient support from 'back home' tended to
disappear. You talk like all colonization attempts are easily
successful. There are enough failed colonies to prove that to be
bullshit.
>
>No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century
>technology to survive.
>
Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the
skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best
technology available at the time.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ne1iqr$mb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #568142 |
On 4/5/2016 6:14 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... >>> > >> > > Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the > skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best > technology available at the time. > silly boy, the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and rocks, and high radiation.
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rtc9gbduk05g2rmau799atnb5jeb2kqk04@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #568145 |
Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 4/5/2016 6:14 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. ....
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the
>> skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best
>> technology available at the time.
>>
>
>silly boy,
>
>the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and
>rocks, and high radiation.
>
Silly boy.
The moon and mar have resource that can produce air, water, and thus
food. Nothing between your ears but hard vacuum.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.316ffc23adb80b479899a7@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #568145 |
In article <ne1iqr$mb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says... > > On 4/5/2016 6:14 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > >>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and > >>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... > >>> > > > >> > > > > Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the > > skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best > > technology available at the time. > > > > > silly boy, > > the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and > rocks, and high radiation. Both the moon and Mars have water. Mars has a very thin atmosphere of CO2. Other chemicals, such as oxygen on the moon, can be extracted from the local "soil". No, there are no animals or plants to eat, but the raw materials are definitely there to make them. Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of.
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fqmitc-mir.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568520 |
In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: > In article <ne1iqr$mb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says... >> >> On 4/5/2016 6:14 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: >> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> >> >>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >> >>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... >> >>> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the >> > skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best >> > technology available at the time. >> > >> >> >> silly boy, >> >> the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and >> rocks, and high radiation. > > Both the moon and Mars have water. Mars has a very thin atmosphere of > CO2. Other chemicals, such as oxygen on the moon, can be extracted from > the local "soil". No, there are no animals or plants to eat, but the > raw materials are definitely there to make them. > > Jeff There are no raw materials off the Earth to make Jello. Sure you can theoretically do all that, all it takes is very large, very sophisticated, very heavy, very expensive, and very expensive to transport equipment along with a very expensive power system to make it all work. The key here is the horrendous cost of getting things to the Moon or Mars in the first place and that any equipment used there will likely be a one off custom design that will come at another huge expense. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ne90ft$q93$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #568637 |
On 4/7/2016 1:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >> In article <ne1iqr$mb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says... >>> >>> On 4/5/2016 6:14 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote: >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the >>>> skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best >>>> technology available at the time. >>>> >>> >>> >>> silly boy, >>> >>> the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and >>> rocks, and high radiation. >> >> Both the moon and Mars have water. Mars has a very thin atmosphere of >> CO2. Other chemicals, such as oxygen on the moon, can be extracted from >> the local "soil". No, there are no animals or plants to eat, but the >> raw materials are definitely there to make them. >> >> Jeff > > There are no raw materials off the Earth to make Jello. > > Sure you can theoretically do all that, all it takes is very large, very > sophisticated, very heavy, very expensive, and very expensive to transport > equipment along with a very expensive power system to make it all work. > > The key here is the horrendous cost of getting things to the Moon or Mars > in the first place and that any equipment used there will likely be a > one off custom design that will come at another huge expense. > > take O2, how do you extract that from rocks ? What is needed rate of production? What does it take ? how much does the O2 plant weigh ? now, where do you get the N2 ? not from rocks... what is the rate of water you can get from the vaccuum of moon/mars surface ? 100 grams per day ?
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cp4ggbdce0ihfgg1ekj0r34g929t73cu58@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569048 |
Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 4/7/2016 1:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>> In article <ne1iqr$mb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, invalid@invalid.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/5/2016 6:14 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and
>>>>>>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the
>>>>> skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best
>>>>> technology available at the time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> silly boy,
>>>>
>>>> the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and
>>>> rocks, and high radiation.
>>>
>>> Both the moon and Mars have water. Mars has a very thin atmosphere of
>>> CO2. Other chemicals, such as oxygen on the moon, can be extracted from
>>> the local "soil". No, there are no animals or plants to eat, but the
>>> raw materials are definitely there to make them.
>>>
>>
>> There are no raw materials off the Earth to make Jello.
>>
>> Sure you can theoretically do all that, all it takes is very large, very
>> sophisticated, very heavy, very expensive, and very expensive to transport
>> equipment along with a very expensive power system to make it all work.
>>
>> The key here is the horrendous cost of getting things to the Moon or Mars
>> in the first place and that any equipment used there will likely be a
>> one off custom design that will come at another huge expense.
>>
>
>take O2, how do you extract that from rocks ? What is needed rate of
>production? What does it take ? how much does the O2 plant weigh ?
>
Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
>
>now, where do you get the N2 ? not from rocks...
>
Why not? Does Google not work on your machine, either?
>
>what is the rate of water you can get from the vaccuum of moon/mars
>surface ? 100 grams per day ?
>
As much as you need. Both have lots of ice deposits
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <neb5a1$dtb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #569073 |
On 4/8/2016 3:25 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> silly boy,
>>>>>
>>>>> the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and
>>>>> rocks, and high radiation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The key here is the horrendous cost of getting things to the Moon or Mars
>>> in the first place and that any equipment used there will likely be a
>>> one off custom design that will come at another huge expense.
>>>
>>
>> take O2, how do you extract that from rocks ? What is needed rate of
>> production? What does it take ? how much does the O2 plant weigh ?
>>
>
> Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
no answer ? try to think it through.
man needs 500 liters of O2 per day
there are 10 men up there, 2 are needed to run the O2 plant, and 2 are
needed to run the Water plant, and 2 are needed to run the N2 plant.
so your O2 flow rate is 5,000 liters per day,
your N2 flow rate is 15,000 liters per day (assume a 25% O2)
and about 7.5 liters of water per day per person
so how many tons rocks do you cook per day ?
How much energy is needed to run the rock cooking plant?
What type of rocks work for O2 that are on the surface ?
where do you get 24 liters of water per day ? (assume a 25% recapture rate)
Biofilm questions: where does the lost water go? will the biofilm cause
dammage to the electronics? How much energy is used to keep the
Humidity down to below 70% ?
how do you reprocess the salt bath used for cooking the rocks ?
What rocks do you cook to get N2 ???
>
>>
>> now, where do you get the N2 ? not from rocks...
>>
>
> Why not? Does Google not work on your machine, either?
you cannot find any common rocks with N in them, right ?
you have not thought this through have you?
go look on the NASA site, you wont see answers to the hard problems
either, although there are lots of studies on these issues.
Radiation! requires men on either moon or mars to live below ground 20
feet, and only go to surface 5% of the time. 95% of the time they must
be in the underground shelter, large tin can, to keep the radiation from
making them all go blind.
>
>>
>> what is the rate of water you can get from the vaccuum of moon/mars
>> surface ? 100 grams per day ?
>>
>
> As much as you need. Both have lots of ice deposits
dream on, tell your moon men to go suck on ice cubes at the poles.
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9pbigbdqsau5m447s9obvpmt4ped1fgkmj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569218 |
Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 4/8/2016 3:25 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:
>> Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> silly boy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the moon and mar have NO AIR, NO WATER, NO FOOD, NOTHING but sand and
>>>>>> rocks, and high radiation.
>>>>>
>
>>>>
>>>> The key here is the horrendous cost of getting things to the Moon or Mars
>>>> in the first place and that any equipment used there will likely be a
>>>> one off custom design that will come at another huge expense.
>>>>
>>>
>>> take O2, how do you extract that from rocks ? What is needed rate of
>>> production? What does it take ? how much does the O2 plant weigh ?
>>>
>>
>> Oven. Whatever is needed. Oven. Whatever it needs to.
>
>no answer ?
>
I gave you an answer. You just don't like it.
>
> try to think it through.
>
Great advice. You should follow it.
>
> man needs 500 liters of O2 per day
> there are 10 men up there, 2 are needed to run the O2 plant,
>
Why? It's automated.
>
>and 2 are needed to run the Water plant,
>
Why? It's automated.
>
>and 2 are needed to run the N2 plant.
>
Why? It's automated.
>so your O2 flow rate is 5,000 liters per day,
>your N2 flow rate is 15,000 liters per day (assume a 25% O2)
>and about 7.5 liters of water per day per person
>
>so how many tons rocks do you cook per day ?
>
Figure it out. A person needs less than a kilogram of oxygen per day.
Lunar rocks are typically about 40% oxygen by weight. So given your
specified crew size (which you didn't bother with before when you
asked the question) you need to cook about .01 tons of rock per day.
>
>How much energy is needed to run the rock cooking plant?
>
What does it matter? You have shitloads available from the Sun.
>
>What type of rocks work for O2 that are on the surface ?
>
Almost any of them. Lunar rock is largely oxides of various types.
>
>where do you get 24 liters of water per day ? (assume a 25% recapture rate)
>
Why is the recapture rate so low? Why does your math not work out?
Your earlier claim was 10 people times 7.5 liters per day (which is
high, by the way) which gives a 75 liter per day requirement with 25%
recapture (around 19 liters) which leaves a 56 liter per day
requirement. Now that's down to 24 liters for some reason. It's
simple arithmetic, dude. Keep it straight.
There are several thousand ppm water in typical lunar rock, but you
don't need to mess with that. You get the water from ice deposits. At
the rate you're talking there's plenty.
>
>Biofilm questions: where does the lost water go? will the biofilm cause
>dammage to the electronics? How much energy is used to keep the
>Humidity down to below 70% ?
>
Never heard of a dehumidifier? They're all the rage here on Earth.
Again, how much power doesn't matter because there is shitloads lying
around for free.
>
>how do you reprocess the salt bath used for cooking the rocks ?
>
Uh, the what? Think 'oven', not 'crock pot'.
>
>What rocks do you cook to get N2 ???
>
Any of them. Content is fairly low (on the order of 10 ppm).
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> now, where do you get the N2 ? not from rocks...
>>>
>>
>> Why not? Does Google not work on your machine, either?
>
>you cannot find any common rocks with N in them, right ?
>
>you have not thought this through have you?
>
Nitrogen isn't consumed the way oxygen is, so you don't need to
produce it at the rates you claim. In fact, your whole atmospheric
calculation is wonky.
>
>go look on the NASA site, you wont see answers to the hard problems
>either, although there are lots of studies on these issues.
>
>Radiation! requires men on either moon or mars to live below ground 20
>feet, and only go to surface 5% of the time. 95% of the time they must
>be in the underground shelter, large tin can, to keep the radiation from
>making them all go blind.
>
Cite for your preceding claims?
>
>>
>>>
>>> what is the rate of water you can get from the vaccuum of moon/mars
>>> surface ? 100 grams per day ?
>>>
>>
>> As much as you need. Both have lots of ice deposits
>
>dream on, tell your moon men to go suck on ice cubes at the poles.
>
Jesus, but you're a stupid troll. Perhaps you should pull your head
out of the Chimp's ass? I assume it's up his, because you don't seem
able to find your own ass with both hands.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nq1etc-hec.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568142 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> wrote: >>> In article <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com> >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>> > For your reference, records indicate that >>>> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: >>>> >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy becomes >>>> >> > operational: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just $10 >>>> >> > billion. >>>> >> > What are we waiting for? >>>> >> >>>> >> $10 billion without a better purpose? >>>> > >>>> > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a >>>> > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that >>>> > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won?t be more like >>>> > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. >>>> > >>>> >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen >>>> >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. >>>> > >>>> > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I >>>> > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and >>>> > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a >>>> > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource >>>> > to have. >>>> >>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... >>> >>> Iceland? Greenland? Northern Newfundland? >>> >>> Hell, for much of Europe surviving after being dropped nude in the >>> Winter is not likely. >>> >>> If the Pilgrims had landed at Plymouth bare assed in the Winter >>> they would probably not have survived long. >>> >>> You might want to amend your statement about all historical >>> colonies. >>> >> >>OK, dropped in with nothing more than a heavy winter coat. >> > > Colonies with insufficient support from 'back home' tended to > disappear. You talk like all colonization attempts are easily > successful. There are enough failed colonies to prove that to be > bullshit. I never said anything like that. However, support from 'back home' wasn't oxygen, food, water, and repair parts for high tech equipment. For the most part it was luxury items such as good china before such manufacturing could be established in the colonies. In return the colonies, depending on where they were, sent back things like spices, precious metals, furs, and timber. There is nothing off the Earth so valuable it would be worth the shipping cost in fuel to send it back to Earth. >>No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century >>technology to survive. >> > > Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the > skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best > technology available at the time. And that technology, except for a very few things like muskets, dates back to at least the 10th Century. And, BTW, the indigious populations where most colonies where established were surviving just fine on Stone Age technology long before the Europeans appeared. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ne1r84$9eo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #568157 |
Some experiments suggest we might be able to grow food on Mars if we add the organics commonly found in Earth soils: Scientists just grew vegetables in ‘Martian’ soil — but there’s a catch. By Rachel Feltman March 9 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/03/09/scientists-just-grew-vegetables-in-martian-soil-but-theres-a-catch/ But Mars Curiosity, finally, has shown Mars soils do contain organics. Then we may be able to produce the needed organics from those already there. Bob Clark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, nanotechnology can now fulfill its potential to revolutionize 21st-century technology, from the space elevator, to private, orbital launchers, to 'flying cars'. This crowdfunding campaign is to prove it: Nanotech: from air to space. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanotech-from-air-to-space/x/13319568/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wrote in message news:nq1etc-hec.ln1@mail.specsol.com... In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> wrote: >>> In article <1poatc-pc1.ln1@mail.specsol.com> >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> >>>> In sci.physics Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote: >>>> > For your reference, records indicate that >>>> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > Actually we could start building it as soon as the Falcon Heavy >>>> >> > becomes >>>> >> > operational: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > NASA scientists say we could colonise the Moon by 2022... for just >>>> >> > $10 >>>> >> > billion. >>>> >> > What are we waiting for? >>>> >> >>>> >> $10 billion without a better purpose? >>>> > >>>> > Some might argue that blowing up shit in the Middle East is not a >>>> > better purpose. A more pointed question would be whether or not that >>>> > budget and timeline is actually accurate, or if it won?t be more like >>>> > $200 billion spent and a wait until 2035. >>>> > >>>> >> Some rational reason to "colonise" the moon, which will never happen >>>> >> as no Moon colony could ever be self supporting. >>>> > >>>> > History has shown a pretty big halo effect for such projects, so I >>>> > would expect quite a bit of indirect economic value in new Moon and >>>> > Mars missions. But I would agree that NASA would do well to make a >>>> > more direct case for why a Moon colony would be a valuable resource >>>> > to have. >>>> >>>> All historical colonizations have been to places with air, water, and >>>> growing things where one could be dropped nude and survive. .... >>> >>> Iceland? Greenland? Northern Newfundland? >>> >>> Hell, for much of Europe surviving after being dropped nude in the >>> Winter is not likely. >>> >>> If the Pilgrims had landed at Plymouth bare assed in the Winter >>> they would probably not have survived long. >>> >>> You might want to amend your statement about all historical >>> colonies. >>> >> >>OK, dropped in with nothing more than a heavy winter coat. >> > > Colonies with insufficient support from 'back home' tended to > disappear. You talk like all colonization attempts are easily > successful. There are enough failed colonies to prove that to be > bullshit. I never said anything like that. However, support from 'back home' wasn't oxygen, food, water, and repair parts for high tech equipment. For the most part it was luxury items such as good china before such manufacturing could be established in the colonies. In return the colonies, depending on where they were, sent back things like spices, precious metals, furs, and timber. There is nothing off the Earth so valuable it would be worth the shipping cost in fuel to send it back to Earth. >>No successful colony in history required anything beyond 10th Century >>technology to survive. >> > > Bullshit. Lots of colonies in the New World succeeded only by the > skin of their teeth and lots of them failed and they all had the best > technology available at the time. And that technology, except for a very few things like muskets, dates back to at least the 10th Century. And, BTW, the indigious populations where most colonies where established were surviving just fine on Stone Age technology long before the Europeans appeared. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tucetc-5hd.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568176 |
In sci.physics Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote: > > Some experiments suggest we might be able to grow food on Mars if we add the > organics commonly found in Earth soils: And nitrogen for the air, nitrates for the soil and water and put them under a heated pressure dome. As long as they are plants that don't require a lot of sunlight, in which case you have to add grow lights. Don't forget the pumps to keep the dome pressurized and the huge power source for the pumps and possible grow lights. Of course, you will need most of that stuff anyway, except for the nitrogen and nitrates, to keep humans alive. -- Jim Pennino
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