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| Started by | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-08-18 17:19 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-08-30 12:39 -0700 |
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Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:19 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 07:45 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-19 22:48 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 16:48 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 07:56 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-19 12:25 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 14:12 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-19 23:11 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 06:14 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 10:17 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-21 19:08 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:44 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-22 23:36 -0700
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-23 04:38 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 07:06 -0500
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 02:15 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:39 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 05:57 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:02 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:01 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:53 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 19:25 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:07 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:37 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:40 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:09 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 13:27 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:57 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 16:36 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 07:54 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-26 05:25 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 07:26 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 11:09 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 19:35 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:18 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 19:33 +0000
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-24 12:12 -0700
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 01:55 -0400
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 08:21 +0200
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 05:58 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:51 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:55 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:35 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 10:39 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 09:11 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 11:21 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 10:29 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 13:58 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 20:05 +0000
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 15:02 -0700
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-29 03:30 -0400
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 20:18 +0200
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 20:35 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 19:45 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 11:14 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 11:17 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 14:00 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 20:57 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:24 -0500
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 20:00 +0000
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-25 11:42 -0700
Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-23 10:31 -0700
Re: Re: Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 02:54 -0400
a krok is when noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:24 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:31 +0200
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 17:57 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:29 -0500
pre-Alfvenic notions of space\Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:28 -0700
Re: pre-Alfvenic notions of space\Universe Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 21:20 +0200
could be simpler, ug ... ugh noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 11:21 -0700
Re: could be simpler, ug ... ugh Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 08:45 +0200
1/c is in units of seconds per second per secondpower meters ... regular tetragona were not hurt in the attempt noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 13:36 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 14:17 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter "Sergio" <invalid@example.com> - 2016-08-20 15:17 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 12:54 -0700
Re: Galaxies are half antimatter and half matter Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-30 12:39 -0700
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 08:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npmt5h$1ll1$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594644 |
On 8/25/2016 7:58 AM, john wrote: > Thomas > Nits are small. > Stand back a little. > We're swinging at bigger things. > > I'm saying that both galaxies and > atoms are composed of equal amounts > of opposite stuff. > > With atoms, it is the up and down electron. > With galaxies it is matter-arm/antimatter-arm. > > Odd said, "What about odd-numbered arms?" I also said, what about elliptical and irregular galaxies, which have no arms at all. You seem to have conveniently ignored those. Are those half-matter, half-antimatter too? Where's the spacing that protects one half from annihilating the other? Do you think elliptical galaxies are rare? > > We look, and voila!, three-armed galaxies > are rare! > Why? Because the two similar arms > would merge. > Comment on that, TPE, not whether you > believe in virtual fundaments > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npmtcp$1n7l$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594644 |
On 8/25/2016 7:58 AM, john wrote: > Thomas > Nits are small. > Stand back a little. > We're swinging at bigger things. > > I'm saying that both galaxies and > atoms are composed of equal amounts > of opposite stuff. > > With atoms, it is the up and down electron. > With galaxies it is matter-arm/antimatter-arm. > > Odd said, "What about odd-numbered arms?" > > We look, and voila!, three-armed galaxies > are rare! And remember, John, all spiral galaxies with even-numbered arms also have a central galactic core, that the spiral arms are ALL in contact with. So the Milky Way that has four arms, let's suppose that two are matter and two are antimatter. If the central core is matter, then you have two antimatter arms that are in contact with it. If the central core is antimatter, then you have two matter arms that are in contact with it. Where are the 1.022 MeV gamma rays? Does stuff like this just not bother you? > Why? Because the two similar arms > would merge. > Comment on that, TPE, not whether you > believe in virtual fundaments > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 08:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <08c2d2a5-ff7b-46a7-8ce3-7e17525755e3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594648 |
Odd, Odd You very incitefully point out a problem with three-armed spirals, and we find out you're right! There are none!! Good job, Odd. You do know that ellipticals are seen with arms stretching out of them?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 10:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npn3fk$34q$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594653 |
On 8/25/2016 10:35 AM, john wrote: > Odd, Odd > You very incitefully point out > a problem with three-armed spirals, > and we find out you're right! > There are none!! No, John, not none. Platypuses are rare, they're not nonexistent. So, let's just say there is ONE three-armed galaxy that is observed in the whole visible universe. Then if what you say is true, then a big spike 1.022 MeV gammas should be evident in the light from that observed galaxy. And yet.... So what then, John? > Good job, Odd. > > You do know that ellipticals are seen > with arms stretching out of them? Is that rare, John? If so, shall we say it's nonexistent? What about the ellipticals and irregulars that don't have arms? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 09:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bee0504f-8d8f-4453-971e-a98186407ddf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594654 |
Odd Let's say a galaxy with three arms results from something: it takes awhile for the two arms that are alike to be pushed together by the other. You will see them as transient, dissipating structures. And we do. Thanks for bringing that forward, Odd. That's almost as useful as HVAC's QPO post!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 11:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npn5ue$7c3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594656 |
On 8/25/2016 11:11 AM, john wrote: > Odd > Let's say a galaxy with three arms > results from something: > it takes awhile for the two > arms that are alike to be pushed > together by the other. > You will see them as transient, > dissipating structures. You seem to be completely ignoring the problem of the NECESSARY point of contact between matter and antimatter, where a high-intensity stream of 1.022 MeV gammas would NECESSARILY be seen. Which isn't seen. So how is it, John, that you're ok with ignoring these things? > And we do. > Thanks for bringing that forward, Odd. > That's almost as useful as HVAC's > QPO post! > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 10:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2928b3c2-d1ac-42f3-a3f8-4ec7aa9d4476@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594657 |
Odd Necessary how? They are opposites. They REPEL each other. Try playing with two magnets for awhile and see what it takes to force them together. And we know matter attracts matter. So you just get a double-sized arm- no fireworks. Necessary in Odd world- pfft
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 13:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npnf3v$o8c$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594665 |
On 8/25/2016 12:29 PM, john wrote: > Odd > Necessary how? > They are opposites. > They REPEL each other. Experimentally wrong. Matter and antimatter ATTRACT each other. Positronium, which consists of an electron and a positron, is a BOUND STATE, which means they are attracted to each other. Positronium could not exist if matter and antimatter repelled. You may recall that matter and antimatter have opposite electric charges. You may also recall that opposite charges attract. Both of these are experimental facts. Are you going to maintain that because you WANT matter and antimatter to repel each other that these observational facts should be dismissed? > Try playing with two magnets for awhile > and see what it takes to force them > together. > And we know matter attracts matter. > So you just get a double-sized arm- > no fireworks. John, if you look at ANY spiral galaxy, you will see that the spiral arms TOUCH their neighbors near the center. You are only looking at the outer portion of the arm. Look at the inner portion of the arm where they touch. Furthermore, EVERY arm touches the central galactic core. So let's say you have a two arm galaxy, with one arm being matter and the other arm being antimatter. BOTH those arms touch the central core. You say matter and antimatter repel. So if the central galactic core is matter, where is the evidence of repulsion between the core and the antimatter arm? If there is no repulsion, then where is the 1.022 MeV radiation from where they touch? > Necessary in Odd world- pfft > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-08-27 20:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <npsrq0$dbl$5@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #594653 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd, Odd >You very incitefully point out >a problem with three-armed spirals, >and we find out you're right! >There are none!! >Good job, Odd. >You do know that ellipticals are seen >with arms stretching out of them? Then they aren't called ellipticals, they are called something else. What about (actual) ellipticals?
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-27 15:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <845a588e-f40f-4a73-b7af-838094c0aff3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594898 |
Michael Asking about elliptical galaxies. I think they correspond to Nobel gases in atoms
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-29 03:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <chl7sb5gdi5mpq1judlr48nl6bvc843ol5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #594913 |
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT), john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: >Michael >Asking about elliptical galaxies. >I think they correspond to >Nobel gases in atoms I believe ellipsoidal (elliptical) galaxies are younger (than spirals) galaxies on the way to becoming disks. I believe all galaxies start out as amorphous blobs spinning along an axis. These blobs can only spin along a single axis. As they spin they tend to morph into symmetric shapes (ellipsoids or spheres or disks) for a variety of reasons I don't want to go into now. If taller than wide and spinning on the tall axis, the galaxy contracts into an ellipsoid (football shape) spinning on its long axis. This shape eventually collapses into a spherical shape since its top and bottom (football tips) have insufficient centrifugal force to counteract gravity. From here it continues to collapse into a short, wide, cylinder (disk) since the poles of the sphere still have insufficient centrifugal force to counteract gravity. If wider than tall and spinning on the short axis, the blob collapses into a football spinning on its short axis with tips of the football on opposite ends of the spin circle. It is already almost a disk. Eventually the top and bottom of the football contract further and it flattens into a disk (squashed football) since the top and bottom parts still have insufficient centrifugal force to counteract gravity. The time it takes to flatten into what we consider a "disk" will depend on the initial mass and shape (rotational inertia or spin resistance) and its initial rotation rate. From this we can conclude that the flattening causes matter to fall into the central region and accumulate there forming the characteristic central bulge for spiral galaxies. I would expect the density of the bulge to be highest for spirals, then ellipsoidals spinning on their short axis, then sphericals, and lowest for ellipsoidals spinning on their long axis. Spherical galaxies do not usually have as pronounced a central bulge if they originated from a homogenous cloud of gas. But some galaxies are considered to be mergers and if a high density blob/galaxy merges with a lower density blob/galaxy a central bulge may occur at the start. Also, if the original cloud was non-homogenous it could start as one dense, fast spinning sphere inside a slower spinning spherical shell. Also, a spherical could pass through another spherical or disk along its spin axis at less than escape velocity and oscillate in and out before settling in the middle and to become what looks like a central bulge of a spherical or disk. I guess the possibilities are nearly endless. --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 20:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8982163.nUPlyArG6x@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #595046 |
Michael J. Strickland wrote: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT), john > <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Michael >>Asking about elliptical galaxies. >>I think they correspond to >>Nobel gases in atoms > > I believe […] That is the main problem of John, you, and all the other crackpots. *You want to believe* that reality is as you wish it to be: *easy to explain*, *no matter how nonsensical the explanation*. Because if the explanations, however correct, become too complex, you are *mentally unable to follow*. The main difference between you and a scientist is that a scientist does not just make up bedtime stories; but they make an observation, posit a theory to explain that observation *that makes falsifiable predictions (in physics: based on mathematics)*, *and then tests the theory (or let it be tested) against reality*, i.e. all *future* observations, including the outcome of computer models based on the used mathematics. The scientist then *rethinks their theory* if it is falsified by future observations; if the theory’s predictions are very far off from observed reality, they might just throw the theory away (and all theories based on it); if it is only a little bit off, then there is a chance that some unknown factor has not been considered, and the theory might be saved by refinement. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-30 20:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1945735.iZASKD2KPV@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #595046 |
Michael J. Strickland wrote: > I believe ellipsoidal (elliptical) galaxies are younger (than spirals) > galaxies on the way to becoming disks. But computer simulations by NASA show that the Milky Way and the Andromeda Galaxy (both spiral galaxies) will merge in ca. 4 billion years from now, probably forming an elliptical galaxy [“Milk(dr)omeda”]. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda%E2%80%93Milky_Way_collision> > I believe all galaxies start out as amorphous blobs spinning along an > axis. Which is contradicted by current research on the formation and evolution of galaxies. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_formation_and_evolution> > These blobs can only spin along a single axis. Why? -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 19:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2358476.mvXUDI8C0e@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #594644 |
[Subject repaired] john wrote: > I'm saying that both galaxies and > atoms are composed of equal amounts > of opposite stuff. Yeah, well, that is complete and utter nonsense. Again. > With atoms, it is the up and down electron. What are up and down electrons in your physics? > With galaxies it is matter-arm/antimatter-arm. If that were so, there would be no galaxies, and we would not be living in one. (In fact, we would not exist.) Matter and antimatter annihilate in a rather violent reaction, you know. Also, there are galaxies without arms. > Odd said, "What about odd-numbered arms?" Because then there would be one arm of matter or one arm of antimatter left. There are no galaxies with one arm, showing the extent of the nonsense of your misconception. > We look, and voila!, three-armed galaxies > are rare! Not because one half of a galaxy would consist of antimatter, but because galactic arms (in a *spiral* galaxy) are the result of both mutual gravitational attraction of galactic matter, and of galactic rotation. > Why? Because the two similar arms would merge. No. You have a fundamental misconception as to what galactic arms are. I suggest you read about them before you post on this subject again. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_galaxy> > Comment on that, TPE, not whether you > believe in virtual fundaments [x] done -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 11:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <adb7062a-cb16-45fa-a5d3-dc913fddcf82@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594669 |
TPE: Mouth. Money. Explain assymetric galactic rotation ccurves: [ ] _____________________ ________
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 11:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f758ef65-6c72-4153-9335-f8138e4dd323@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #594670 |
TPE, Odd Play with odd numbers of magnets and see what happens before posting again.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 14:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npnf7g$o8c$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594671 |
On 8/25/2016 1:17 PM, john wrote: > TPE, Odd > Play with odd numbers of magnets > and see what happens > before posting again. > Magnets don't annihilate with 1.022 MeV gammas when you put N pole to S pole. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 20:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <10685782.O9o76ZdvQC@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #594670 |
john wrote: > Explain assymetric galactic rotation > ccurves: > [ ] _____________________ > ________ Manabe, S. & Miyamoto, M. (1975). “The north-south asymmetry in the galactic rotation curves”. Astronomical Society of Japan, Publications, vol. 27, no. 1, 1975, p. 35–44. Bibcode: 1975PASJ...27...35M. | Abstract | | It is shown that the large-scale north-south asymmetry in the galactic | rotation curves obtained from observations of neutral hydrogen can be | explained as a consequence of noncircular galactic rotation caused by a | nonaxisymmetric mass distribution in the central region of the Galaxy, | i.e., a bar-like structure, and by a radial motion of the local standard | of rest at the sun. […] Jog, C. J. (2002). “Large-scale asymmetry of rotation curves in lopsided spiral galaxies”. Astronomy and Astrophysics. 391 (2): 471–479. arXiv:astro- ph/0207055free to read. Bibcode:2002A&A...391..471J. doi:10.1051/0004-6361:20020832. | Abstract | | Many spiral galaxies show a large-scale asymmetry with a cos φ | dependence in their rotation curves as well as in their morphology, such | as M 101 and NGC 628. We show that both these features can be explained by | the response of a galactic disk to an imposed lopsided halo potential. […] The latter paper is referred in <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve>. HTH -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 16:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npnnlt$170d$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #594670 |
On 8/25/2016 1:14 PM, john wrote: > TPE: > Mouth. > Money. > Explain assymetric galactic rotation > ccurves: > [ ] _____________________ > ________ > Two possibilities, John. Already discussed. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-08-27 20:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <npsrga$dbl$4@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #594644 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Thomas >Nits are small. >Stand back a little. >We're swinging at bigger things. >I'm saying that both galaxies and >atoms are composed of equal amounts >of opposite stuff. >With atoms, it is the up and down electron. >With galaxies it is matter-arm/antimatter-arm. >Odd said, "What about odd-numbered arms?" >We look, and voila!, three-armed galaxies >are rare! >Why? Because the two similar arms >would merge. >Comment on that, TPE, not whether you >believe in virtual fundaments Odd already did! Where are the 511 keV gammas? Huh? And why wouldn't a matter and antimatter arm merge and KABLOOEY!! ? What about where the arms meet the center of the galaxy? What about how stars orbit leaving an arm into inter-arm space and then into another arm as they orbit the center? Admit it. You just came up with an idea and instead of realizing it is simply no good, you are trying -- desparately -- to make it work, truth be damned.
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