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| Started by | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| First post | 2026-02-04 02:22 +0100 |
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2026 the Year Prolog **plonked** Itself [Strawberry Prolog is back] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-04 02:22 +0100
Mark V. Shaney caused Julio Di Egidio Suicide (Was: 2026 the Year golang lost its Marbles) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-14 12:48 +0100
Gen Alpha will grow up with Causal AI (Re: Is Causal AI simply ReLU (Geoffrey E. Hinton 2010)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-19 20:03 +0100
Original Subject established by Chinese Scientists [Extenics] (Re: LRM moving from FOM to TCS [Lean Prover]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-28 16:51 +0100
DeepSeekMath: From psychophysischer Parallelismus to GPRO (Re: Odysseus PTSD: Does Function need Consistency?) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-03-06 02:26 +0100
| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2026-02-04 02:22 +0100 |
| Subject | 2026 the Year Prolog **plonked** Itself [Strawberry Prolog is back] |
| Message-ID | <10lu707$7pg1$4@solani.org> |
Hi, Just a quick take on the Prolog pulse: - SWI-Prolog: Dead Horse, LISP / MeTTa is it. - Scyer: Dead Horse, no core commits - Ciao Prolog: Dead Horse, no core commits - Who else? So I guess its back to Strawberry Prolog for teaching! They are also building AGI: https://dobrev.com/AI/Think_in_mind.pdf Bye
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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 12:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Mark V. Shaney caused Julio Di Egidio Suicide (Was: 2026 the Year golang lost its Marbles) |
| Message-ID | <10mpnel$6ciu$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #895048 |
Hi, So the Rob Pike account shows the full extend how people become schizophrenice or get amnesia in the age of the AI Boom. How it started: "Kernighan and Pike listed Mark V. Shaney in the acknowledgements in The Practice of Programming,[12] noting its roots in Mitchell's markov, which, adapted as shaney, [13] was used for "humorous deconstructionist activities" in the 1980s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_V._Shaney How its going: "Fuck you people. Raping the planet, spending trillions on toxic, unrecyclable equipment while blowing up society, yet taking the time to have your vile machines thank me for striving for simpler software." https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s Or it was one of the many academic frauds, that Rob Pike even appeared talking about the earl AI bot, to get false credits? Bye P.S.: Has somebody seen Julio Di Egidio recently? He posted the same vile machines stance on SWI-Prolog shortly between 2025 and 2026, got probably banned and disappeared [forever?]. Well good ridance that he *plonked* himself, fucking moron who didn't understand rational trees, yet harassed me. Mild Shock schrieb: > Hi, > > Just a quick take on the golang pulse: > > How it started: > > A Comparative Study of Language Implementations > https://www.arxiv.org/abs/2502.01651 > > How its going: > > Co-Creator of Go Language is Rightly Furious > https://itsfoss.com/news/rob-pike-furious/ > > Rob Pike going bonkers over AI. > > Bye > > See especially, ca factor 4x-5x behind: > > Go < Julia < Rust < C < Zig < Mojo < C++ > (a): Average tokens per second for stories15M.bin model > > Go < Julia < Rust < Zig < C < C++ < Mojo > (c): Average tokens per second for stories42M.bin model > > So I guess its back to Fortran. > > Mild Shock schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> Just a quick take on the Prolog pulse: >> >> - SWI-Prolog: Dead Horse, LISP / MeTTa is it. >> >> - Scyer: Dead Horse, no core commits >> >> - Ciao Prolog: Dead Horse, no core commits >> >> - Who else? >> >> So I guess its back to Strawberry Prolog for teaching! >> >> They are also building AGI: >> >> https://dobrev.com/AI/Think_in_mind.pdf >> >> Bye >
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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2026-02-19 20:03 +0100 |
| Subject | Gen Alpha will grow up with Causal AI (Re: Is Causal AI simply ReLU (Geoffrey E. Hinton 2010)) |
| Message-ID | <10n7mqd$fj8s$4@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #895126 |
Hi, Looks like the Causal AI viewpoint on neural networks makes people comfortable. Some work from Pittsburgh: Causal Representation Learning and Generative AI by Dr Kun Zhang #CausalNeSyAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwcitNXphog Kathleen M. Carley: Understanding Influence A Network Science + AI Approach — IC2S2 2025 Keynote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHjFXtIeXnw So Gen Alpha will grow up with Causal AI, while Gen Z just botched Scryer Prolog, its definitively a dead horse now? Bye Mild Shock schrieb: > Hi, > > Geoffrey E. Hinton, the Nobel Prize winner > for AI. He was already beating the drums > for ReLU in 2010: > > HRectified Linear Units Improve Restricted Boltzmann Machines > Geoffrey E. Hinton & Vinod Nair - 2010 > https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~fritz/absps/reluICML.pdf > > Because ANNs (Artificial Neural Networks) were originally > designed with other functions, e.g. with Logistic function: > > An artificial neuron is a mathematical function conceived > as a model of a biological neuron in a neural network. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neuron > > If you populate additive factor graphs with log P, > you basically get multiplicative factor graphs. > So an ANN can express belief networks, right? > > Bye > > P.S.: What is all the hype about Causal AI, and > the Ladder of Causation à la Judea Pearl? > > Causal AI – the next gen AI > Prof. Sotirios A. Tsaftaris - 2025 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IelslFzdsYw
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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2026-02-28 16:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Original Subject established by Chinese Scientists [Extenics] (Re: LRM moving from FOM to TCS [Lean Prover]) |
| Message-ID | <10nv2uh$v8qu$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #895126 |
Hi,
Now "white science" might have more leaning
towards Causal AI. But sometimes I have the
feeling Generative AI is the "yellow science"
now. DeepSeek left handedly inventing the
notation M(a,b) for matrix representation of
a dual number a + b e:
M(a,b) = a I + b E
And then discussing variants like:
E = [[ 0 1 ]
[ 0 0 ]]
Or this variant like:
E = [[ 1 -1 ]
[ 1 -1 ]]
I am in mild shock! Then I am reading the small print:
Prof. Cai Wen, Institute of Extenics and Innovative Methods, Guangzhou,
https://fs.unm.edu/DualNumbers.pdf
What is Extenics? Any ideas?
Have Fun!
Bye
Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Large Reasoning Models (LRM) seem to move from
> Foundation of Mathematics (FOM) to Theoretical
> Computer Science (TCS). FOM typically gives
>
> you "white science" mathematics, with sets and
> infinity, if you are lucky a little recursion
> theory. Fun fact TCS is even more "white".
>
> Interesting paper in as far:
>
> Lean Meets Theoretical Computer Science:
> Scalable Synthesis of Theorem Proving Challenges
> in Formal-Informal Pairs
> Terry Jingchen Zhang et. al. - 2025
> https://arxiv.org/abs/2508.15878v1
>
> One swallow does not make a summer?
>
> But its probably a necessary step. The above
> paper using Busy Beaver and Interger Constraints
> as examples. What logical frameworks do even
>
> apply, is it enough to have a "total function"
> theory layer, or does TCS need more. TCS can
> be heavy on all sort of discrete and
>
> non-discrete mathematics.
>
> Bye
>
> Mild Shock schrieb:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Geoffrey E. Hinton, the Nobel Prize winner
> > for AI. He was already beating the drums
> > for ReLU in 2010:
> >
> > HRectified Linear Units Improve Restricted Boltzmann Machines
> > Geoffrey E. Hinton & Vinod Nair - 2010
> > https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~fritz/absps/reluICML.pdf
> >
> > Because ANNs (Artificial Neural Networks) were originally
> > designed with other functions, e.g. with Logistic function:
> >
> > An artificial neuron is a mathematical function conceived
> > as a model of a biological neuron in a neural network.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neuron
> >
> > If you populate additive factor graphs with log P,
> > you basically get multiplicative factor graphs.
> > So an ANN can express belief networks, right?
> >
> > Bye
> >
> > P.S.: What is all the hype about Causal AI, and
> > the Ladder of Causation à la Judea Pearl?
> >
> > Causal AI – the next gen AI
> > Prof. Sotirios A. Tsaftaris - 2025
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IelslFzdsYw
>
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| From | Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> |
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| Date | 2026-03-06 02:26 +0100 |
| Subject | DeepSeekMath: From psychophysischer Parallelismus to GPRO (Re: Odysseus PTSD: Does Function need Consistency?) |
| Message-ID | <10odaf8$18ln0$3@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #895126 |
Hi, Now I am reading Otto Ludwig Binswanger (* 14. Oktober 1852 in Scherzingen, Münsterlingen; † 15. Juli 1929 in Kreuzlingen) war ein Schweizer Psychiater und Neurologe, der der Richtung der Neuropsychiatrie zugerechnet werden kann. "Läßt man alle erkenntnistheoretischen Erwägungen beiseite, so wird man notwendigerweise zu der Anschauung gelangen, daß die psychischen Vorgänge zwar regelmäßig von einem physischen Kräftewechsel, d. h. von materiellen Hirnrindenprozessen, begleitet sind, daß aber jedes dieser Gebiete selbständig für sich besteht (psychophysischer Parallelismus)." https://archive.org/details/binswanger-siemerling.-lehrbuch-der-psychiatrie-3.-aufl.-1911/page/2/mode/2up On the same page he describes some Aristoteles Style Learning Model. But the interesting thing is that around 12 Months ago DeekSeek R1 made furore with a comparte- mentalized learning and inferencing. More coarse grained than mixture of experts and end user sensing, i.e. GPRO: DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits of Mathematical Reasoning in Open Language Models https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300 Have Fun! Bye Mild Shock schrieb: > Hi, > > Our Chinese Nostradamous claims there are at least > two methods how humans deal with trauma aka contradiction, > soul repair or split brain: > > Great Books #5: The Odyssey > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlcR7uHHdA > > Brain plasticity, or neuroplasticity, is the brain's > remarkable ability to reorganize its structure, functions, > and neural connections throughout life in response to > learning, experience, or injury. It enables adaptation, > > memory formation, and recovery from damage by creating > new synaptic connections and pathways. This dynamic > process continues into adulthood, allowing for, but > also influenced by, factors like exercise, sleep, > > and mental stimulation. Does this adaption or > maladaption need consistency, or asked differently > what does structure and function mean? > > Bye
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