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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.

Started by"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
First post2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
Last post2017-07-26 14:08 -0400
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  Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-03 08:31 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-07-03 09:04 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 06:31 -0700
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-03 08:37 -0500
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:21 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 13:14 -0700
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:00 -0700
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-07 15:34 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 14:03 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:22 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 15:19 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:01 -0700
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:49 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 23:26 -0500
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:04 -0500
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:32 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-10 12:21 -0500
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 17:35 +0000
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 16:10 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 17:40 -0400
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-10 17:22 -0500
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 19:49 -0400
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2017-07-13 20:17 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 21:42 +0000
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-13 20:53 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:05 +0000
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:25 -0700
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 17:04 +0000
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 14:04 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 18:28 +0000
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-03 20:57 +0000
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 16:14 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 00:45 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 20:11 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 04:55 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 02:29 -0700
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 06:49 +0100
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 22:59 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:51 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-04 21:33 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:16 +0100
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:47 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:08 -0700
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 21:02 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 19:12 -0700
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 22:16 -0400
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 23:30 -0700
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:35 +0100
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 10:05 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 08:03 -0500
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:19 -0400
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-06 13:09 -0500
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:05 -0700
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 10:52 -0700
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 18:07 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-05 14:21 -0500
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 19:34 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:32 -0700
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 23:00 +0000
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 10:12 -0700
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-06 13:15 -0500
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:20 -0700
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 09:39 -0500
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:11 -0700
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-07 14:13 -0500
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 20:04 +0000
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-04 20:08 -0600
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-04 09:11 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 11:47 -0400
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:19 +0000
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-04 23:04 -0400
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:56 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 23:16 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:12 +0000
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 +0100
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:54 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-05 18:42 -0400
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 23:07 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:30 +0100
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-06 06:35 -0400
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 16:34 +0000
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:25 -0400
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 04:56 +0000
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 02:09 -0700
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-07 20:18 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:19 +0100
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-07 17:13 +0000
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:49 +0100
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-08 17:13 +0000
                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:12 +0100
                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-09 17:44 +0000
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:48 -0700
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 23:27 -0500
                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:11 +0100
                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 16:30 +0000
                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:49 +0100
                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 17:47 +0000
                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:15 -0700
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 16:27 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 14:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 18:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:20 -0700
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-11 21:31 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-11 22:12 +0000
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-07-11 19:01 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 02:24 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 22:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:24 -0400
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 20:57 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:17 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:42 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:11 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 18:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-12 07:28 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 05:10 -0700
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-12 18:39 -0500
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 21:29 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-13 20:27 -0500
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:22 -0700
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-14 11:55 -0500
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 21:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 02:11 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-13 22:56 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:50 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 23:49 +0000
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 23:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 05:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:51 -0400
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 17:23 +0000
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 18:08 -0400
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 02:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 12:53 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 13:04 -0500
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 09:51 -0400
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 11:04 -0500
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 17:55 +0000
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 16:15 -0400
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 20:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:32 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:08 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-07-16 15:21 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 09:06 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:23 -0400
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 15:27 -0600
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 17:39 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-07-17 09:46 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 13:04 -0500
                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 07:04 +0100
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:48 +0000
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 06:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 05:51 +0100
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:36 +0100
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-15 00:27 -0600
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-15 08:52 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 06:40 +0100
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-16 16:02 -0400
                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 06:02 +0100
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-17 20:31 -0400
                                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 06:32 +0100
                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-18 21:10 -0400
                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 05:08 +0100
                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-19 20:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 01:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 06:23 +0100
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 03:35 -0700
                                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 05:56 +0100
                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-20 10:18 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2017-07-20 11:34 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-20 16:25 -0400
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                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 11:33 -0500
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                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 23:19 -0700
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 17:52 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:12 -0700
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-14 19:54 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 09:43 +0100
                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2017-07-13 09:30 -0400
                                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-13 17:37 +0000
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                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 05:07 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 11:19 -0700
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                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2017-07-15 22:07 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 03:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 07:16 +0100
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                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 20:26 +0100
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                                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 22:12 +0100
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                                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 05:30 +0100
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                                                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-19 16:14 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 17:24 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-19 00:00 -0600
                                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-19 20:21 -0400
                                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-21 08:00 -0400
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                                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 17:14 +0000
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-16 13:21 -0600
                                                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2017-07-14 09:01 -0400
                                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-14 17:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 16:10 -0700
                                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2017-07-15 22:11 -0400
                                                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 03:23 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-16 09:58 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 12:05 -0500
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 18:15 +0000
                                                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2017-07-16 10:56 -0400
                                                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 18:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 16:36 -0700
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-05 08:19 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-05 10:39 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:11 -0700
                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 21:11 -0400
                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 19:28 -0700
                            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-06 21:32 -0400
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 19:38 -0700
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-09 21:55 -0600
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                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 12:44 -0700
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                                        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-10 19:52 -0400
                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:33 +0100
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 03:29 -0400
                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-05 21:04 -0400
                    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 01:22 +0000
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                                  Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:53 -0700
                              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-09 21:56 -0600
                                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-10 05:08 +0000
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                                      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 12:47 -0700
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                          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2017-07-07 13:41 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2017-07-05 17:47 +0000
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-07-03 22:55 -0400
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 20:16 -0700
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> - 2017-07-13 19:01 -0400
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-04 20:04 -0600
              Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2017-07-05 08:20 -0400
                Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 05:43 -0700
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-04 20:04 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 06:21 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-07-03 18:35 -0800
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 05:01 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-06 13:38 -0500
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 05:10 -0400
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-10 17:16 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 05:13 -0400
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-06 08:35 -0400
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-07 10:31 -0400
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-09 22:15 -0600
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2017-07-10 10:43 +0300
            Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-07-10 21:32 -0600
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. krw@notreal.com - 2017-07-10 12:39 -0400
    Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:58 -0400
      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 17:54 +0000
        Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-12 15:18 -0400
          Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-12 20:00 +0000
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      Re: Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-16 15:08 -0700
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#640418

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-14 05:11 +0000
Message-ID<0d0m3e-lpd.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#640414
In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>
>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>
>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>> what you think.
>>
>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>> the average person.
> 
> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous - 
> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.

How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?

Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
trivial as bread and biscuits. 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#640585

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-15 06:36 +0100
Message-ID<qLWdnf6cbMByNPTEnZ2dnUU78KvNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#640418
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>
>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>> what you think.
>>>
>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>> the average person.
>>
>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>
> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>
> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
> trivial as bread and biscuits.

Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was 
one of the most popular UK programs for some time.

As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature* 
fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials, 
and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than 
driving to buy it, and more cheaply.

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#640592

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2017-07-15 00:27 -0600
Message-ID<estqvsF5eecU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#640585
David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>
>Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was 
>one of the most popular UK programs for some time.

There was a fad for affordable automatic breadmakers in the nineties.
I'm happy enough with cheap factory bread, but I offered that my wife
might want one.  She didn't.

I haven't heard much about them lately.  Perhaps shrunken kitchens
don't have the counter space for single-use devices.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#640615

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-15 08:52 -0400
Message-ID<8v3kmcp6duf83ic89pce0h9seaivl5e2al@4ax.com>
In reply to#640585
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
<david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

>jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>> what you think.
>>>>
>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>> the average person.
>>>
>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>
>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>
>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>
>Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was 
>one of the most popular UK programs for some time.

Watching is not making.

>As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature* 
>fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials, 
>and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than 
>driving to buy it, and more cheaply.

Not going to happen.

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#640740

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-16 06:40 +0100
Message-ID<OJidnZFO_bXeYffEnZ2dnUU78cfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#640615
krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>> the average person.
>>>>
>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>
>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>
>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>
>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>
> Watching is not making.

True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".

"In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has 
fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even 
their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has 
manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality 
of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people 
pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."

"The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute

     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to 
take up home baking"

"A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever, 
with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly 
half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."

>
>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials,
>> and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than
>> driving to buy it, and more cheaply.
>
> Not going to happen.

It would be good if you could back that up, rather than simply asserting it.

We've noted that nearly all technology improves with time, as fabrication 
technology has, and that prices always fall, and that as that of fabrication 
technology has; and sales are increasing non-linearly, up to 400000 last year, 
with projected sales of 1.2 million this year (search "3-D printer sales") - 
which provides motication for their continued improvement and revenue to support it.

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#640863

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-16 16:02 -0400
Message-ID<gbhnmcdkd2lig8gd1eonb42d6v1q0js65j@4ax.com>
In reply to#640740
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
<david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

>krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>
>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>
>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>
>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>
>> Watching is not making.
>
>True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>
>"In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has 
>fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even 
>their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has 
>manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality 
>of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people 
>pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>
>"The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>
>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to 
>take up home baking"
>
>"A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever, 
>with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly 
>half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."

Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
but not bread.  
>
>>
>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials,
>>> and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than
>>> driving to buy it, and more cheaply.
>>
>> Not going to happen.
>
>It would be good if you could back that up, rather than simply asserting it.

There is no need.  There is no efficiency of scale.  It's too much
work to design things and get them ready (and then the retries).  Few
will put up with the bullshit.  No, I don't think people will download
designs for plastic jewelry and make it.  Well, maybe a few 6
year-olds.

>We've noted that nearly all technology improves with time, as fabrication 
>technology has, and that prices always fall, and that as that of fabrication 
>technology has; and sales are increasing non-linearly, up to 400000 last year, 
>with projected sales of 1.2 million this year (search "3-D printer sales") - 
>which provides motication for their continued improvement and revenue to support it.
>
Irrelevant.  

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#640977

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-17 06:02 +0100
Message-ID<zcqdnfGFEvNz2fHEnZ2dnUU78S_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#640863
krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>
>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>
>>> Watching is not making.
>>
>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>
>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>
>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>
>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>> take up home baking"
>>
>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>
> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
> but not bread.

Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!

>>
>>>
>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials,
>>>> and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than
>>>> driving to buy it, and more cheaply.
>>>
>>> Not going to happen.
>>
>> It would be good if you could back that up, rather than simply asserting it.
>
> There is no need.  There is no efficiency of scale.  It's too much
> work to design things and get them ready (and then the retries).  Few
> will put up with the bullshit.  No, I don't think people will download
> designs for plastic jewelry and make it.  Well, maybe a few 6
> year-olds.

As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.

So, not just "plastic jewelry", as you must surely be able to appreciate.

>
>> We've noted that nearly all technology improves with time, as fabrication
>> technology has, and that prices always fall, and that as that of fabrication
>> technology has; and sales are increasing non-linearly, up to 400000 last year,
>> with projected sales of 1.2 million this year (search "3-D printer sales") -
>> which provides motication for their continued improvement and revenue to support it.
>>
> Irrelevant.

Entirely relevant to the point that mature technology is on the way; which was 
the point you tried to refute.

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#641141

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-17 20:31 -0400
Message-ID<p9lqmchnb0dufdns2n1hr5adu7cm98i6h8@4ax.com>
In reply to#640977
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:02:37 +0100, David Mitchell
<david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

>krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>>
>>>> Watching is not making.
>>>
>>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>>
>>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>>
>>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>>
>>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>>> take up home baking"
>>>
>>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>
>> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
>> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
>> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
>> but not bread.
>
>Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
>Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
>Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!

No, stupid.  The existence of cooking shows doesn't mean everyone is
cooking.  There are a couple of networks dedicated to buying homes but
more people aren't buying houses every week.

Bread machines were once popular but are a total bust, these days.

>>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials,
>>>>> and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than
>>>>> driving to buy it, and more cheaply.
>>>>
>>>> Not going to happen.
>>>
>>> It would be good if you could back that up, rather than simply asserting it.
>>
>> There is no need.  There is no efficiency of scale.  It's too much
>> work to design things and get them ready (and then the retries).  Few
>> will put up with the bullshit.  No, I don't think people will download
>> designs for plastic jewelry and make it.  Well, maybe a few 6
>> year-olds.
>
>As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.

It really would be nice if you could read.  Mature doesn't matted if
there is no need.

>So, not just "plastic jewelry", as you must surely be able to appreciate.

So you're going to sell personal gold printers?  Nice!  I wish you
well in that endeavor.

>>> We've noted that nearly all technology improves with time, as fabrication
>>> technology has, and that prices always fall, and that as that of fabrication
>>> technology has; and sales are increasing non-linearly, up to 400000 last year,
>>> with projected sales of 1.2 million this year (search "3-D printer sales") -
>>> which provides motication for their continued improvement and revenue to support it.
>>>
>> Irrelevant.
>
>Entirely relevant to the point that mature technology is on the way; which was 
>the point you tried to refute.

No, it's not.  Most have cars, these days too.  They're mature, sure,
but there they also fulfill a need.

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#641177

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-18 06:32 +0100
Message-ID<dumdnW_exNPnAPDEnZ2dnUU78bfNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#641141
krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:02:37 +0100, David Mitchell
> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watching is not making.
>>>>
>>>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>>>
>>>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>>>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>>>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>>>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>>>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>>>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>>>
>>>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>>>
>>>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>>>> take up home baking"
>>>>
>>>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>>>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>>>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>>
>>> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
>>> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
>>> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
>>> but not bread.
>>
>> Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
>> Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
>> Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!
>
> No, stupid.  The existence of cooking shows doesn't mean everyone is
> cooking.  There are a couple of networks dedicated to buying homes but
> more people aren't buying houses every week.
>
> Bread machines were once popular but are a total bust, these days.

I didn't say "everyone was baking".
I said "19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and 
nearly half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."

>
>>>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials,
>>>>>> and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than
>>>>>> driving to buy it, and more cheaply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not going to happen.
>>>>
>>>> It would be good if you could back that up, rather than simply asserting it.
>>>
>>> There is no need.  There is no efficiency of scale.  It's too much
>>> work to design things and get them ready (and then the retries).  Few
>>> will put up with the bullshit.  No, I don't think people will download
>>> designs for plastic jewelry and make it.  Well, maybe a few 6
>>> year-olds.
>>
>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.
>
> It really would be nice if you could read.  Mature doesn't matted if
> there is no need.
Let me try to put in easier terms for you: when nearly any form of technology 
first appears it is often expensive and limited, so only the "early adopters" 
pick it up.  That market is sometimes enough to drive the development of better, 
cheaper devices; and as a consequence, more people buy them.
This cycle continues.

You know this to be true, right?

So the only question is whether fabricators are in this class of technology.
I would submit that since they've already shown vast improvment in their 
capabilities, a reduction in price and non-linear take-up, that they clearly are.


>
>> So, not just "plastic jewelry", as you must surely be able to appreciate.
>
> So you're going to sell personal gold printers?  Nice!  I wish you
> well in that endeavor.

A fabricator capable of printing most kinds of metal isn't beyond the pale.

>
> No, it's not.  Most have cars, these days too.  They're mature, sure,
> but there they also fulfill a need.

As the non-linear growth shows, there appears to be a need for even these 
relatively crude devices.

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#641278

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-18 21:10 -0400
Message-ID<eubtmcd9dsiaojqt2cvkdd3ahlpolu8tag@4ax.com>
In reply to#641177
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:32:42 +0100, David Mitchell
<david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

>krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:02:37 +0100, David Mitchell
>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watching is not making.
>>>>>
>>>>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>>>>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>>>>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>>>>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>>>>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>>>>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>>>>
>>>>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>>>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>>>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>>>>> take up home baking"
>>>>>
>>>>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>>>>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>>>>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
>>>> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
>>>> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
>>>> but not bread.
>>>
>>> Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
>>> Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
>>> Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!
>>
>> No, stupid.  The existence of cooking shows doesn't mean everyone is
>> cooking.  There are a couple of networks dedicated to buying homes but
>> more people aren't buying houses every week.
>>
>> Bread machines were once popular but are a total bust, these days.
>
>I didn't say "everyone was baking".
>I said "19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and 
>nearly half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."

And half bought swamp land in Florida.

>>>>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials,
>>>>>>> and able to fabricate something at the push of a button more quickly than
>>>>>>> driving to buy it, and more cheaply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not going to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be good if you could back that up, rather than simply asserting it.
>>>>
>>>> There is no need.  There is no efficiency of scale.  It's too much
>>>> work to design things and get them ready (and then the retries).  Few
>>>> will put up with the bullshit.  No, I don't think people will download
>>>> designs for plastic jewelry and make it.  Well, maybe a few 6
>>>> year-olds.
>>>
>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.
>>
>> It really would be nice if you could read.  Mature doesn't matted if
>> there is no need.
>Let me try to put in easier terms for you: when nearly any form of technology 
>first appears it is often expensive and limited, so only the "early adopters" 
>pick it up.  That market is sometimes enough to drive the development of better, 
>cheaper devices; and as a consequence, more people buy them.
>This cycle continues.
>
>You know this to be true, right?

It's obvious to any non-geek.  They're not going to want it.  Personal
computers would have forever been a toy, except for one or two
applications (financial and Internet).  Video players biggest (by far)
"app" was porn, then the Internet made that silly.  3D printing?  WHo
wants cheap plastic jewelry?

>So the only question is whether fabricators are in this class of technology.
>I would submit that since they've already shown vast improvment in their 
>capabilities, a reduction in price and non-linear take-up, that they clearly are.

Improvement, sure.  They're great tools for industry and the three
geeks who get into them.  
>
>>
>>> So, not just "plastic jewelry", as you must surely be able to appreciate.
>>
>> So you're going to sell personal gold printers?  Nice!  I wish you
>> well in that endeavor.
>
>A fabricator capable of printing most kinds of metal isn't beyond the pale.

Nonsense.
>>
>> No, it's not.  Most have cars, these days too.  They're mature, sure,
>> but there they also fulfill a need.
>
>As the non-linear growth shows, there appears to be a need for even these 
>relatively crude devices.

Was the growth of personal computers "linear"?  VCRs?  Sure, there are
geeks playing with the things, until they get bored making useless
trinkets.

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#641297

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-19 05:08 +0100
Message-ID<X86dnd0uLMDERvPEnZ2dnUU78N_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#641278
krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:32:42 +0100, David Mitchell
> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:02:37 +0100, David Mitchell
>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>>>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watching is not making.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>>>>>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>>>>>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>>>>>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>>>>>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>>>>>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>>>>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>>>>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>>>>>> take up home baking"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>>>>>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>>>>>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
>>>>> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
>>>>> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
>>>>> but not bread.
>>>>
>>>> Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
>>>> Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
>>>> Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!
>>>
>>> No, stupid.  The existence of cooking shows doesn't mean everyone is
>>> cooking.  There are a couple of networks dedicated to buying homes but
>>> more people aren't buying houses every week.
>>>
>>> Bread machines were once popular but are a total bust, these days.
>>
>> I didn't say "everyone was baking".
>> I said "19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and
>> nearly half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>
> And half bought swamp land in Florida.

Actual sales are noticeable up (as I quoted) in actual shops.

>>>>
>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.
>>>
>>> It really would be nice if you could read.  Mature doesn't matted if
>>> there is no need.
>> Let me try to put in easier terms for you: when nearly any form of technology
>> first appears it is often expensive and limited, so only the "early adopters"
>> pick it up.  That market is sometimes enough to drive the development of better,
>> cheaper devices; and as a consequence, more people buy them.
>> This cycle continues.
>>
>> You know this to be true, right?
>
> It's obvious to any non-geek.  They're not going to want it.  Personal
> computers would have forever been a toy, except for one or two
> applications (financial and Internet).  Video players biggest (by far)
> "app" was porn, then the Internet made that silly.  3D printing?  WHo
> wants cheap plastic jewelry?

As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.

>>>
>>>> So, not just "plastic jewelry", as you must surely be able to appreciate.
>>>
>>> So you're going to sell personal gold printers?  Nice!  I wish you
>>> well in that endeavor.
>>
>> A fabricator capable of printing most kinds of metal isn't beyond the pale.
>
> Nonsense.

How so?
> Was the growth of personal computers "linear"?  VCRs?  Sure, there are
> geeks playing with the things, until they get bored making useless
> trinkets.

There you are again, playing the trinket card; which I've already trumped.

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#641430

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-19 20:17 -0400
Message-ID<0dtvmc532s5ndv1dln1d42mdi567l10bbc@4ax.com>
In reply to#641297
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
<david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

>krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:32:42 +0100, David Mitchell
>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:02:37 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>>>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>>>>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watching is not making.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>>>>>>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>>>>>>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>>>>>>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>>>>>>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>>>>>>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>>>>>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>>>>>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>>>>>>> take up home baking"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>>>>>>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>>>>>>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
>>>>>> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
>>>>>> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
>>>>>> but not bread.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
>>>>> Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
>>>>> Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!
>>>>
>>>> No, stupid.  The existence of cooking shows doesn't mean everyone is
>>>> cooking.  There are a couple of networks dedicated to buying homes but
>>>> more people aren't buying houses every week.
>>>>
>>>> Bread machines were once popular but are a total bust, these days.
>>>
>>> I didn't say "everyone was baking".
>>> I said "19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and
>>> nearly half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>
>> And half bought swamp land in Florida.
>
>Actual sales are noticeable up (as I quoted) in actual shops.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.
>>>>
>>>> It really would be nice if you could read.  Mature doesn't matted if
>>>> there is no need.
>>> Let me try to put in easier terms for you: when nearly any form of technology
>>> first appears it is often expensive and limited, so only the "early adopters"
>>> pick it up.  That market is sometimes enough to drive the development of better,
>>> cheaper devices; and as a consequence, more people buy them.
>>> This cycle continues.
>>>
>>> You know this to be true, right?
>>
>> It's obvious to any non-geek.  They're not going to want it.  Personal
>> computers would have forever been a toy, except for one or two
>> applications (financial and Internet).  Video players biggest (by far)
>> "app" was porn, then the Internet made that silly.  3D printing?  WHo
>> wants cheap plastic jewelry?
>
>As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.

You can dream all you want but that's all it is, just another one of
your hallucinations.  Materials are so different that it's highly
unlikely that there will be a cheap way of building from multiple
materials with one machine.  Just the temperature variations alone...

Not to mention waste.  No one is going to be printing gold or silver
(jewelry).

>>>>> So, not just "plastic jewelry", as you must surely be able to appreciate.
>>>>
>>>> So you're going to sell personal gold printers?  Nice!  I wish you
>>>> well in that endeavor.
>>>
>>> A fabricator capable of printing most kinds of metal isn't beyond the pale.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>How so?

Uh, the widely varying properties, maybe?  Titanium and gold have
slightly different properties. 

>> Was the growth of personal computers "linear"?  VCRs?  Sure, there are
>> geeks playing with the things, until they get bored making useless
>> trinkets.
>
>There you are again, playing the trinket card; which I've already trumped.

No, you haven't.  You just keep hallucinating.

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#641454

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-20 01:11 +0000
Message-ID<kjc54e-lg7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#641430
In sci.physics krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
 
>>There you are again, playing the trinket card; which I've already trumped.
> 
> No, you haven't.  You just keep hallucinating.

Pointless; he just wants to argue until there is a "winner" and keeps
spinning off in tangents.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#641500

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-20 06:23 +0100
Message-ID<TvqdnSWit6TCo-3EnZ2dnUU78c3NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#641454
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> There you are again, playing the trinket card; which I've already trumped.
>>
>> No, you haven't.  You just keep hallucinating.
>
> Pointless; he just wants to argue until there is a "winner" and keeps
> spinning off in tangents.

I am sorry that you can no longer follow complex arguments.
Perhaps I could summarise for you?

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#641513

FromFred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-20 03:35 -0700
Message-ID<dq11nc5opv3qjk103cjque22m6i8rqbsht@4ax.com>
In reply to#641454
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
> 
>>>There you are again, playing the trinket card; which I've already trumped.
>> 
>> No, you haven't.  You just keep hallucinating.
>
>Pointless; he just wants to argue until there is a "winner" and keeps
>spinning off in tangents.
>

Pot.  Kettle.  Star Trek Replicator.


-- 
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
 territory."
                                      --G. Behn

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#641499

FromDavid Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-20 05:56 +0100
Message-ID<TqqdnZhjcKOUpe3EnZ2dnUU78b_NnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>
In reply to#641430
krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 06:32:42 +0100, David Mitchell
>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:02:37 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 06:40:16 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 06:36:41 +0100, David Mitchell
>>>>>>>>> <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David Mitchell <david.robot.mitchell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you be any more vague?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  Yes I could.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things.  People will make things.  All of the things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek reruns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bless.  It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of fucks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as though you imagine I think puerile techno nerds represent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need to find a better insult - "techno nerd" is a bit tautologous -
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I've never made any particular claim to represent anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about pie-in-the-sky dreamer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like I've said before, most people can't be bothered to make things as
>>>>>>>>>>> trivial as bread and biscuits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, lots of people *do* make bread and biscuits; and a series about baking was
>>>>>>>>>> one of the most popular UK programs for some time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watching is not making.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True; but search for "The Great British Off effect".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In the six years it has been on the air, “The Great British Bake Off” has
>>>>>>>> fundamentally changed the way the British regard baking, dessert-eating and even
>>>>>>>> their own culture of sweets. The “Bake Off Effect,” as it is known, has
>>>>>>>> manifested in a resurgence in home baking, a noticeable increase in the quality
>>>>>>>> of baked goods sold all over the country, and a growing number of people
>>>>>>>> pursuing careers as professional pastry chefs."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The Mary Berry effect: How the Great British Bake Off revived the Women's Institute
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     WI membership reached 211,000 last year, its highest level since the 1970s
>>>>>>>>     22,600 new members joined last year and 144 institutes were created
>>>>>>>>     Organisation's chairman said Great British Bakeoff 'inspired' more women to
>>>>>>>> take up home baking"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "A recent survey from Waitrose revealed that baking is more popular than ever,
>>>>>>>> with 19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and nearly
>>>>>>>> half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Irrelevant.  My wife watches a lot (way too much ;-) of cooking shows
>>>>>>> and also does a lot of baking but not once has she ever made anything
>>>>>>> that was on the TeeVee.  She does make biscuits, on special occasions,
>>>>>>> but not bread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah yes, your one anecdote easily trumps my three data points.
>>>>>> Seriously?  That's your counter?  One person?
>>>>>> Wait!  I know two people who bake!  I win!
>>>>>
>>>>> No, stupid.  The existence of cooking shows doesn't mean everyone is
>>>>> cooking.  There are a couple of networks dedicated to buying homes but
>>>>> more people aren't buying houses every week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bread machines were once popular but are a total bust, these days.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say "everyone was baking".
>>>> I said "19 per cent of people saying they now bake at least once a week and
>>>> nearly half admitted to baking more than they did five years ago."
>>>
>>> And half bought swamp land in Florida.
>>
>> Actual sales are noticeable up (as I quoted) in actual shops.
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>>>>>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.
>>>>>
>>>>> It really would be nice if you could read.  Mature doesn't matted if
>>>>> there is no need.
>>>> Let me try to put in easier terms for you: when nearly any form of technology
>>>> first appears it is often expensive and limited, so only the "early adopters"
>>>> pick it up.  That market is sometimes enough to drive the development of better,
>>>> cheaper devices; and as a consequence, more people buy them.
>>>> This cycle continues.
>>>>
>>>> You know this to be true, right?
>>>
>>> It's obvious to any non-geek.  They're not going to want it.  Personal
>>> computers would have forever been a toy, except for one or two
>>> applications (financial and Internet).  Video players biggest (by far)
>>> "app" was porn, then the Internet made that silly.  3D printing?  WHo
>>> wants cheap plastic jewelry?
>>
>> As I keep, apparently, having to explain - I am talking about *mature*
>> fabrication technology - something capable of working with multiple materials.
>
> You can dream all you want but that's all it is, just another one of
> your hallucinations.  Materials are so different that it's highly
> unlikely that there will be a cheap way of building from multiple
> materials with one machine.  Just the temperature variations alone...

You don't have to do it all in the same cabinet.  Some assembly may be required.
Having said that, interchangeable print heads on a carousel would probably work 
for a subset of all possible materials.

>
> Not to mention waste.  No one is going to be printing gold or silver
> (jewelry).

Why do you think 3-D printing is inherently wasteful?

> Uh, the widely varying properties, maybe?  Titanium and gold have
> slightly different properties.

Jimp posted a reference to a Wikipedia article.  You really should read it.
We can 3-D print *right now*:

Thermoplastics, eutectic metals, edible materials, Rubbers, Modeling clay, 
Plasticine, Metal clay (including Precious Metal Clay), Ceramic materials, Metal 
alloy, cermet, metal matrix composite, ceramic matrix composite
Nylon or Nylon with short carbon fiber + reinforcement in the form Carbon, 
Kevlar, Glass and Glass for high temperature fiber
Photopolymer,Photopolymer + thermally activated chemistry
Almost any metal alloy including Titanium alloys


>
>>> Was the growth of personal computers "linear"?  VCRs?  Sure, there are
>>> geeks playing with the things, until they get bored making useless
>>> trinkets.
>>
>> There you are again, playing the trinket card; which I've already trumped.
>
> No, you haven't.

See above.

> You just keep hallucinating.

I notice you share a characteristic with jimp, when you have no actual facts, 
the arguments become personal.  It's quite revealing.

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#641525

FromSerg io <invaalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-20 10:18 -0500
Message-ID<okqhk5$1oim$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#641499
On 7/19/2017 11:56 PM, David Mitchell wrote:
> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell


>> Uh, the widely varying properties, maybe?  Titanium and gold have
>> slightly different properties.
> 
> Jimp posted a reference to a Wikipedia article.  You really should read it.
> We can 3-D print *right now*:
> 
> Thermoplastics, eutectic metals, edible materials, Rubbers, Modeling 
> clay, Plasticine, Metal clay (including Precious Metal Clay), Ceramic 
> materials, Metal alloy, cermet, metal matrix composite, ceramic matrix 
> composite
> Nylon or Nylon with short carbon fiber + reinforcement in the form 
> Carbon, Kevlar, Glass and Glass for high temperature fiber
> Photopolymer,Photopolymer + thermally activated chemistry
> Almost any metal alloy including Titanium alloys
> 
> 

why not print pizza....   ?    should be a huge demand for that...

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#641532

FromPhil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net>
Date2017-07-20 11:34 -0400
Message-ID<6vSdnSsXGu4dUO3EnZ2dnUU7-aWdnZ2d@supernews.com>
In reply to#641525
On 07/20/2017 11:18 AM, Serg io wrote:
> On 7/19/2017 11:56 PM, David Mitchell wrote:
>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
> 
> 
>>> Uh, the widely varying properties, maybe?  Titanium and gold have
>>> slightly different properties.
>>
>> Jimp posted a reference to a Wikipedia article.  You really should
>> read it.
>> We can 3-D print *right now*:
>>
>> Thermoplastics, eutectic metals, edible materials, Rubbers, Modeling
>> clay, Plasticine, Metal clay (including Precious Metal Clay), Ceramic
>> materials, Metal alloy, cermet, metal matrix composite, ceramic matrix
>> composite
>> Nylon or Nylon with short carbon fiber + reinforcement in the form
>> Carbon, Kevlar, Glass and Glass for high temperature fiber
>> Photopolymer,Photopolymer + thermally activated chemistry
>> Almost any metal alloy including Titanium alloys
>>
>>
> 
> why not print pizza....   ?    should be a huge demand for that...

I saw a pancake printer at Makerfest a few years ago.  The pancakes were
pretty good tasting too.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#641555

Fromkrw@notreal.com
Date2017-07-20 16:25 -0400
Message-ID<ac42nctcdf3dhc0b5k8uiffpo6qg97seb7@4ax.com>
In reply to#641532
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:34:24 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 07/20/2017 11:18 AM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 7/19/2017 11:56 PM, David Mitchell wrote:
>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
>> 
>> 
>>>> Uh, the widely varying properties, maybe?  Titanium and gold have
>>>> slightly different properties.
>>>
>>> Jimp posted a reference to a Wikipedia article.  You really should
>>> read it.
>>> We can 3-D print *right now*:
>>>
>>> Thermoplastics, eutectic metals, edible materials, Rubbers, Modeling
>>> clay, Plasticine, Metal clay (including Precious Metal Clay), Ceramic
>>> materials, Metal alloy, cermet, metal matrix composite, ceramic matrix
>>> composite
>>> Nylon or Nylon with short carbon fiber + reinforcement in the form
>>> Carbon, Kevlar, Glass and Glass for high temperature fiber
>>> Photopolymer,Photopolymer + thermally activated chemistry
>>> Almost any metal alloy including Titanium alloys
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> why not print pizza....   ?    should be a huge demand for that...
>
>I saw a pancake printer at Makerfest a few years ago.  The pancakes were
>pretty good tasting too.

Why would you print, rather than extrude?

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#641557

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-20 20:42 +0000
Message-ID<i6h74e-5qg.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#641555
In sci.physics krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:34:24 -0400, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
> 
>>On 07/20/2017 11:18 AM, Serg io wrote:
>>> On 7/19/2017 11:56 PM, David Mitchell wrote:
>>>> krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 05:08:56 +0100, David Mitchell
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Uh, the widely varying properties, maybe?  Titanium and gold have
>>>>> slightly different properties.
>>>>
>>>> Jimp posted a reference to a Wikipedia article.  You really should
>>>> read it.
>>>> We can 3-D print *right now*:
>>>>
>>>> Thermoplastics, eutectic metals, edible materials, Rubbers, Modeling
>>>> clay, Plasticine, Metal clay (including Precious Metal Clay), Ceramic
>>>> materials, Metal alloy, cermet, metal matrix composite, ceramic matrix
>>>> composite
>>>> Nylon or Nylon with short carbon fiber + reinforcement in the form
>>>> Carbon, Kevlar, Glass and Glass for high temperature fiber
>>>> Photopolymer,Photopolymer + thermally activated chemistry
>>>> Almost any metal alloy including Titanium alloys
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>>> why not print pizza....   ?    should be a huge demand for that...
>>
>>I saw a pancake printer at Makerfest a few years ago.  The pancakes were
>>pretty good tasting too.
> 
> Why would you print, rather than extrude?

Some people are monomaniacal about 3D printing.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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