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Why is the San Bernardino shooting rare among mass shootings?

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#537737

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-06 23:55 +0000
Message-ID	<3guejc-tk4.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537720

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Utter nonsense.
>> 
>> <snip remaining babbling nonsense>
>> 
> 
> 
> PolicySpy writes:
> 
> A frustration by military personnel who are back civilian life is just an attitude or not ?
> 

It would depend on whether such frustration existed or not.

In my experience of knowing many, many veterans, it does not in general
exist.

> I think Jim often has no point but just whatever corner he has painted himself into.
> 

I think you are a troll.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537722

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-06 14:51 -0800
Message-ID	<5d17ee21-25e5-4246-b3be-6bb9df2fdeb3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537698

Jim Pennino wrote:

 
> Utter nonsense.
> 
> <snip remaining babbling nonsense>
> 


PolicySpy writes:


A frustration by military personnel who are back in civilian life after being in war zones, is just an attitude or not ?

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#537738

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-06 23:56 +0000
Message-ID	<liuejc-tk4.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537722

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>  
>> Utter nonsense.
>> 
>> <snip remaining babbling nonsense>
>> 
> 
> 
> PolicySpy writes:
> 
> 
> A frustration by military personnel who are back in civilian life after being in war zones, is just an attitude or not ?
> 

In my experience of knowing hundreds of veterans, such frustration does
not exist in general.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537792

From	Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>
Date	2015-12-07 03:31 -0500
Message-ID	<gdadncjAHZJJ3vjLnZ2dnUU7-WednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#537516

On 05/12/2015 9:02 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
> If your wish if fulfilled, then the only people who will have guns
> are the same people you are trying to prevent having guns.  Chicago
> is an example.  Only crooks and gangs have guns; regular people have
> no protection.

Or only the law enforcement people. The people who get guns illegally 
usually can't get a lot of them.

	Yousuf Khan

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#537797

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-07 05:34 -0500
Message-ID	<8hd9y.290744$eK.67498@fx11.iad>
In reply to	#537792

On 12/07/2015 03:31 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 05/12/2015 9:02 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> If your wish if fulfilled, then the only people who will have guns
>> are the same people you are trying to prevent having guns.  Chicago
>> is an example.  Only crooks and gangs have guns; regular people have
>> no protection.
>
> Or only the law enforcement people. The people who get guns illegally
> usually can't get a lot of them.
>
>      Yousuf Khan

Law enforcement? He did say only crooks and gangs!  As for can't get a 
lot of them, I'm sure you noticed in places like Chicago where guns are 
basically illegal, there are virtually no gang shootings at all. That's 
because all the "drug-free gun-free zone" signs prevent all violence.

You've been watching too much TV, right?
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#539293

From	Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>
Date	2015-12-15 05:04 -0500
Message-ID	<RPSdneyABNBZePLLnZ2dnUU7-W-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#537797

On 07/12/2015 5:34 AM, benj wrote:
> Law enforcement? He did say only crooks and gangs!  As for can't get a
> lot of them, I'm sure you noticed in places like Chicago where guns are
> basically illegal, there are virtually no gang shootings at all. That's
> because all the "drug-free gun-free zone" signs prevent all violence.

Actually, what you'll find in Chicago is that they have a small number 
of guns which get "rented" out from crook to crook. No single crook owns 
a gun, they instead of community guns which they rent out during the 
course of robberies and other criminal activities. Once the activity is 
completed, they return the gun to the gun broker.

	Yousuf Khan

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#537460

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-04 15:38 -0800
Message-ID	<0c25bdb2-1263-4e1b-8d95-defafabdcec7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537273

The SB mass shootings are more like frustrated home citizens than international terrorists. The shooters were bouncing off Middle East issues and therefor not domestic terrorists but they were well established LA residents. And so they are more like the school shooters than terrorists. (I said the same thing about the London subway bombers.)

The problem is the constraint of the people and then the small percentage that are set off. What has happened is that an effective peer-pressure society has been constructed. An individual can't do or say much of anything unless there is a company behind them or a university behind them or a political party behind them.

The peer-pressure society is overseen by human resources (who are psychologists) at work, by teachers (who are psychologists) at school, by political platforms, by government social services departments (who are psychologists), and by professional employees who are close to customer service departments or to marketing departments. (Marketing departments ? Yeah, there are peer-pressure networks working many internet forums.)

It's George Orwell's 1984 and it began when ?

I'm not defending all the mass shooters but I am saying that something is setting them off. Don't believe it ? Here's one piece of information, Congress asked the NIMH to end the school shootings.

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#537478

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-05 02:29 +0000
Message-ID	<3pu9jc-ahh.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537460

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The SB mass shootings are more like frustrated home citizens than international terrorists. The shooters were bouncing off Middle East issues and therefor not domestic terrorists but they were well established LA residents. And so they are more like the school shooters than terrorists. (I said the same thing about the London subway bombers.)

The hisband was US born but the wife was fresh from Pakistan.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537490

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-04 21:18 -0800
Message-ID	<26c30e49-cb86-4668-96a1-f066cc18ebdd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537478

PolicySpy wrote:

> > The SB mass shootings are more like frustrated home citizens than international terrorists. The shooters were bouncing off Middle East issues and therefor not domestic terrorists but they were well established LA residents. And so they are more like the school shooters than terrorists. (I said the same thing about the London subway bombers.)

Jim Pennino wrote:

> The hisband was US born but the wife was fresh from Pakistan.
> 
> 

PolicySpy writes:

The WTC attackers were financially supported in the country by terrorist operations in the Middle East and they were in the country on temporary visas.

These SB shooters were self-supported in the country at least in the form of the husband being a county worker. And the husband was a fully born citizen.

I would suggest that the SB shooters had local and national frustrations in addition to a following of international events. (The London subway bombers were well established in the UK but had a charismatic leader playing on their frustrations. And they were young.)

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#537497

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-05 06:08 +0000
Message-ID	<rkbajc-jqi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537490

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> PolicySpy wrote:
> 
> 
>> > The SB mass shootings are more like frustrated home citizens than international terrorists. The shooters were bouncing off Middle East issues and therefor not domestic terrorists but they were well established LA residents. And so they are more like the school shooters than terrorists. (I said the same thing about the London subway bombers.)
> 
> 
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
> 
>> The hisband was US born but the wife was fresh from Pakistan.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> PolicySpy writes:
> 
> The WTC attackers were financially supported in the country by terrorist operations in the Middle East and they were in the country on temporary visas.
> 
> These SB shooters were self-supported in the country at least in the form of the husband being a county worker. And the husband was a fully born citizen.
> 

Is there any kind of born other than "fully born"?

BTW, LA and SB are two entirely different counties.

> I would suggest that the SB shooters had local and national frustrations in addition to a following of international events. (The London subway bombers were well established in the UK but had a charismatic leader playing on their frustrations. And they were young.)
>  
 
You mean "local and national frustrations" like everyone around them
finding IS and radical Islam abhorrent?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537498

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-04 22:47 -0800
Message-ID	<d21b09f5-31b6-48f1-83ab-fd883a6a6304@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537497

PolicySpy wrote:

> > I would suggest that the SB shooters had local and national frustrations in addition to a following of international events. (The London subway bombers were well established in the UK but had a charismatic leader playing on their frustrations. And they were young.)
> >  

Jim Pennino wrote:

> You mean "local and national frustrations" like everyone around them
> finding IS and radical Islam abhorrent?
> 

PolicySpy wrote:

The target suited the husband and therefor could have simply been due to conflicts with personnel management. The wife was the charismatic leader but she had to suit the husband. Two things happening nationally is that there is a tough-talking right-wing presidential candidate and a current president saying that there were no current threats in the U.S.

It's interesting that the wife is connected to Pakistan even though she mentioned Islamic State on the internet.

But these SB shooters are different from the London subway bombers in that the SB shooters expected to get away with the attack.

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#537557

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-05 19:08 +0000
Message-ID	<0apbjc-bin.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537498

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> PolicySpy wrote:
> 
>  
>> > I would suggest that the SB shooters had local and national frustrations in addition to a following of international events. (The London subway bombers were well established in the UK but had a charismatic leader playing on their frustrations. And they were young.)
>> >  
> 
> 
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>   
>> You mean "local and national frustrations" like everyone around them
>> finding IS and radical Islam abhorrent?
>> 
> 
> 
> PolicySpy wrote:
> 
> The target suited the husband and therefor could have simply been due to conflicts with personnel management. The wife was the charismatic leader but she had to suit the husband. Two things happening nationally is that there is a tough-talking right-wing presidential candidate and a current president saying that there were no current threats in the U.S.
> 
> It's interesting that the wife is connected to Pakistan even though she mentioned Islamic State on the internet.
> 
> But these SB shooters are different from the London subway bombers in that the SB shooters expected to get away with the attack.

They fact that they had a stockpile of arms and ammunition AND had built
explosive devices is a good indicator that they were PLANNING to do
something for a long time.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537561

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-05 11:31 -0800
Message-ID	<0e66bbe2-28b3-4844-99ad-540f938b6e76@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537557

Jim Pennino wrote:

> 
> They fact that they had a stockpile of arms and ammunition AND had built
> explosive devices is a good indicator that they were PLANNING to do
> something for a long time.
> 
> 

PolicySpy wrote:

Yeah, the husband went looking for someone to help him and a wife was placed with him. See, the WTC attackers were students on student visas but this terrorist is a new wife of a U.S. citizen.

Follow the history of the wife and a terrorist base will be found in Pakistan. But a terrorist base is just a couple-of-dozen people meeting in an apartment. Compare to the so-called Islamic State and that basically is the former one-half of Iraq. (People along the Euphrates River migrate between rural Iraq and rural Syria.)

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#537564

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-05 20:11 +0000
Message-ID	<81tbjc-h3o.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537561

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> They fact that they had a stockpile of arms and ammunition AND had built
>> explosive devices is a good indicator that they were PLANNING to do
>> something for a long time.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> PolicySpy wrote:
> 
> Yeah, the husband went looking for someone to help him and a wife was placed with him. See, the WTC attackers were students on student visas but this terrorist is a new wife of a U.S. citizen.
> 

So what?


> Follow the history of the wife and a terrorist base will be found in Pakistan. But a terrorist base is just a couple-of-dozen people meeting in an apartment. Compare to the so-called Islamic State and that basically is the former one-half of Iraq. (People along the Euphrates River migrate between rural Iraq and rural Syria.)
> 

So you are admitting these were radical Muslim terrorists?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537565

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-05 12:54 -0800
Message-ID	<b3e0e5b2-5d4d-4a36-b581-c0f19abbc82a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537564

Jim Pennino wrote:


> 
> So you are admitting these were radical Muslim terrorists?
> 
> 


PolicySpy writes:


I already said several times that this was someone well established in U.S. society who found a terrorist leader. And similar to the London subway bombers.

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#537570

From	jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date	2015-12-05 21:31 +0000
Message-ID	<am1cjc-kio.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to	#537565

PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> So you are admitting these were radical Muslim terrorists?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> PolicySpy writes:
> 
> 
> I already said several times that this was someone well established in U.S. society who found a terrorist leader. And similar to the London subway bombers.
> 

Nope, you just rambled on in extremely long, unterminated lines about
society.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#537586

From	"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-05 16:59 -0800
Message-ID	<e9eb5e89-baa6-4026-899c-ff19af4125a9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537570

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Jim Pennino wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> So you are admitting these were radical Muslim terrorists?
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > PolicySpy writes:
> > 
> > 
> > I already said several times that this was someone well established in U.S. society who found a terrorist leader. And similar to the London subway bombers.
> > 
> 
> Nope, you just rambled on in extremely long, unterminated lines about
> society.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

I am worried for my great grandkids.I am worried I did not do more in my life time to make a safer world.I tried fighting Severn Trent Water and Avatar.Tried to get Rick Scott put in jail.I lost,but I'm alive. JFK and Bobby fought and were shot down. Rick Scott will be in the White House., TreBert

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#537566

From	"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-05 13:12 -0800
Message-ID	<32b0e607-e98a-4c59-841d-c9edf2ca631f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537478

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The SB mass shootings are more like frustrated home citizens than international terrorists. The shooters were bouncing off Middle East issues and therefor not domestic terrorists but they were well established LA residents. And so they are more like the school shooters than terrorists. (I said the same thing about the London subway bombers.)
> 
> The hisband was US born but the wife was fresh from Pakistan.
> 
> They were 100% ISIS.They are in Allah heaven. They are the reason I'm not flying to Boston.Will be at Cirus Circus for the holidays with Sandy,and do standup and shoot pool for $$$$$  I deserve a vacation 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

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#537571

From	PolicySpy <pintell@hotmail.com>
Date	2015-12-05 13:48 -0800
Message-ID	<ec4f05e5-0157-47aa-9c2f-e616d4cc2264@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537566

Jim Pennino wrote:

> > They were 100% ISIS.They are in Allah heaven.


PolicySpy writes:

The husband was of U.S. society and attacking, not targets of great note, but attacking his workplace. The wife is the trained terrorist but had to suit the goals of the husband.

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#537695

From	"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-06 11:39 -0800
Message-ID	<2c39aa82-a2e7-4e8a-b5bb-1269a4d51614@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#537273

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:06:09 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Why is the San Bernardino shooting rare among mass shootings?
> > http://phys.org/news/2015-12-san-bernardino-rare-mass.html
> 
> 
> > The shooting in San Bernardino, CA yesterday marked the 355th mass
> > shooting in the United States in less than as many days in 2015. As
> > details emerge regarding yesterday's events, it is clear that these
> > types of crimes are morphing and not abating.
> >
> > "Shootings involving mission-oriented females may be a new threshold
> > which should be concerning to all of us, and the incident in San
> > Bernardino might just be a hybrid, and a harbinger, of shootings to
> > come," says Mary Ellen O'Toole, PhD, Director, Forensic Science
> > Program, George Mason University and Editor-in-Chief of Violence and
> > Gender, a peer-reviewed journal published by Mary Ann Liebert, Inc.,
> > publishers.
> >
> > A "hybrid" means a spinoff from other cases of mass murder. "Like a
> > cancer," says Dr. O'Toole, "this crime is moving and growing in
> > insidious ways, and is resistant to 'treatment.'"
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

Founding Fathers wanted us to bare arms.(Rifle) not machine guns. Get the picture. GOPers in Fl. shoot black children in the back and get patted on the back for doing a good job.Think Zimmerman shotting Travon,and getting 4 million and retiring at 26 in Salovita Fl.  Only a GOPer could steal 1.7 billion from medicare and end not going to jail,but becoming governor of Fl.(Rick Scott) TreBert

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