Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom
Date	2016-07-27 15:08 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael says
>"
>Your explanation of the enormous torque needed to cause them to precess 
>is....? "

>YOUR explanation of the enormous
>torque needed to make them ROTATE is?

You need to learn simple mechanics.

No torque needed to keep something rotating at a constant angular
momentum. The ordinary laws of gravity and the laws of
conservation of angular momentum is what's needed to explain it.
Meanwhile, a precessing spinny thing starts spinning in one plane
but now precessing it requires the torque to produce an angular
acceleration to change the _direction_ of the rotation, and thus
the angular momentum.  Remember, angular momentum is a conserved
quantity.

>It takes no torque at all in the special
>cases where the precession is 
>a WHOLE NUMBER times the rotation.

That is so very, very wrong.  Pulling crap like that from your
ass is no way to do physics.

Simple mechanics: T = Ia where T is the torque, I is the moment
of inertia and a is the angular acceleration.  In the case of
your precession obsession, a is an angular acceleration at right
angles to the rotational axis.

>Since every point in the matter finds
>itself back at the same place once
>every full rotation, all energy debts are cancelled
>wrt the precession.

Not sufficient.  You need a torque that would go in a
cycle, first in the x direction, then in the y direction,
then -x, then -y, then x...

It doesn't matter if over a cycle the sum is zero. You need
a varying torque over each cycle!

Where does this torque come from?

What about the violation of angular momentum?

You have no answer!

>Prove this ain't so. Or go silent,

See above. Or prove it for yourself.  Get a gyroscope, get it
spinning and try to precess it.  Feel the force?  That is its
opposition to you applying a torque to it to get it rotating
in a different direction when you try to precess it.

Since you are obsessed with spinny things, I figure you must have
a dozen or two gyroscopes to play with.

[p.s. As much as you hate them, Big Pharma has some very good
medicines to help with your OCD. You should talk to your doctor
about it.  No, I did NOT say to go visit Little Pharma!!!]

>like when I say that evidence of
>order at one size level proves
>order for them all

You never made any such proof!

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Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 21:25 -0700
  Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:49 -0500
  Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-27 13:42 +0000
    Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:26 -0700
      Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 09:29 -0500
      Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-27 15:08 +0000
        Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 10:37 -0700
          Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 12:04 -0700
            Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-27 20:48 +0000
              Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 05:04 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 07:12 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom B Gates <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-07-28 19:43 -0400
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-28 14:16 +0000
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 09:35 -0500
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 09:43 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-28 18:02 +0000
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 14:27 -0500
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 14:28 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-29 05:20 +0000
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 06:30 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-29 15:18 +0000
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 08:23 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 10:49 -0500
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-29 18:12 +0000
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                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 19:37 -0700
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-30 05:52 +0000
                Re: Predictions of Galaxy Model for the Atom HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 05:07 -0700
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