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Re: Does A Butterfly Gravity Wave Show Up In LA As It Flies IN China

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On 6/29/2016 6:14 PM, benj wrote:
> On 6/29/2016 6:22 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/29/2016 5:10 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2016 5:49 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 6/29/2016 4:41 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> This is why official censors like HVAC are assigned to
>>>>> any of the remaining uncensored forums to disrupt and ridicule any
>>>>> discussion that wanders too far off the reservation.
>>>>
>>>> I find it fascinating that you consider ridicule and disruption to be
>>>> censorship. In my mind, those kinds of comments are fair game in an
>>>> open
>>>> an uncensored discussion. Or are you suggesting that ridicule and
>>>> disruption should be censored from a discussion about topics that are
>>>> far off the reservation?
>>>>
>>>> Do you even know what censorship means?
>>>>
>>> I presume as a counselor your idea is anything means whatever you SAY it
>>> means. Censorship is clearly when some are not allowed to speak. No one
>>> (certainly not me) has EVER suggested that HVAC or others of his ilk
>>> (including) you not be allowed to speak.
>>
>> And as far as I know, HVAC has never suggested that anyone else not be
>> allowed to speak. Nor have I.
>>
>>>
>>> However, disruptions are clearly censorship of discussions.
>>
>> I COMPLETELY disagree. Disruptions are part of open discussions.
>
> Why am I not at all surprised, Comrade?

Nor should you be. You apparently want the censorship of criticism, 
disruption, and ridicule. I personally am not in favor of censorship.

>
>>> So in your leftist view that the typical ploy of LIBs going to a city
>>> council meeting and screaming and hollering so that no discussion can
>>> take place is "free speech" and should be permitted?
>>
>> As far as I know, no one can shout over another in a newsgroup so that
>> the other cannot be heard. As far as I know, no comment on a newsgroup
>> prevents another from speaking or from anyone hearing the speaker.
>
> Quite true and I am fully aware of that. And of course kill files exist
> for the purpose of eliminating noise.

Then your point, if you attempted to have one, was well off mark.

>
>>> That disruptors
>>> should never be ejected because of a violation of their "rights"?
>>
>> You may be aware of the Constitution-protected right to peaceful
>> demonstrations. Where those demonstrations can involve megaphones. Are
>> you saying that demonstrators who gather on Capitol steps and make a lot
>> of noise should be ejected because they are disrupting the conversation
>> in the Capitol?
>
> No counselor, I'm am pointing out that those disrupting congress by
> noise in the galleries are ejected. Do you argue that such ejections are
> illegal? (probably you do) Rights do not negate responsibilities.

In a forum like this one, as you say, noise is filterable and is not an 
obstruction of discussion. And in fact, ANY comment, because it can be 
voiced and heard along with ANY OTHER comment, contributes to the 
discussion.

>
> Your right to swing your fist freely ends at my nose.
>
>>> You know that under the law slander and libel are not "free speech".
>>
>> I'm not aware of any slander and libel going on here, and to the degree
>> that any comments approach it, you are as participatory as any.
>
> OF course I am because it's "Usenet culture" which has wider rules than
> say a sermon given in a church. So if HVAC informs every one that this
> or that person is "insane" without any facts to back it up, well that's
> "culture", same as the way I say he is gay or insane. Just noise.

And therefore your claim that censorship is in play in the newsgroup is 
simply wrong, as is your comment that libel and slander are in play in 
the newsgroup. Why you made those comments at all eludes me, especially 
now that you disavow them.

> And as
> you note kill file gets rid of it all. But are lies against lies, free
> speech, especially when they are POLITICALLY motivated lies? Sure. In
> fact, ESPECIALLY when they are political.
>
> But we still come back to the issue of is disruption of normal business
> allowed? And you say yes? I'm not surprised you think nobody (especially
> yourself) needs to be responsible for their actions.

Of course people need to be responsible for their actions. Being 
responsible does not mean abdicating one's rights or choosing not to 
protect them.

>
>>> Does doing so on the internet make it OK? Give us some legal advice
>>> counselor.
>
> Well does it? What about the internet "bullying" laws and the like. Are
> you and HVAC "bullying" me? If I kill myself in despair or because HVAC
> made my "mad" are you two going to jail?

I'm willing to put that to legal test.

>
>>> I don't think you progies will be so hot for a police state were you not
>>> expecting to be of the privileged class uncensored.
>>
>>
>


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          Re: Does A Butterfly Gravity Wave Show Up In LA As It Flies IN China Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 17:22 -0500
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