Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject	Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God
Date	2026-01-03 08:14 +0100
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Am Freitag000002, 02.01.2026 um 11:12 schrieb Ross Finlayson:
> On 01/01/2026 04:04 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 01.01.2026 10:34, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>> Am Mittwoch000031, 31.12.2025 um 08:57 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>>>> https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/
>>>>> covers/1946/1101460701_400.jpg
>>>>
>>>> 'Time' magazine suggested, that Einstein actually invented the atomic
>>>> bomb (or at least its theoretical foundations).
>>>
>>> No.
>>> But the atom bomb proved in a very convincing way
>>> that mass could be converted to energy as
>>> predicted by Einstein's E = mc².
>>
>> A common misconception (among laypeople).  "E = m c²" (which Einstein had
>> not written this way, and not meant this way) does NOT mean that "mass 
>> can
>> be converted to energy".
>>
>> Unfortunately, this wrong interpretation may have originated from 
>> Einstein
>> himself when he read that in English from prepared notes for a
>> popular-scientific TV program or film:
>>
>> <https://youtube.com/shorts/ecc8vfpm3C0?si=zTzId-R862UX1P4_>
>>
>> Instead, it means that objects which have non-zero mass have non-zero 
>> _rest_
>> energy: E₀ = m c² (notice the subscript) *even if they are not 
>> (considered)
>> moving*.
>>
>> Fermilab: Why E=mc² is wrong
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch? 
>> v=eOCKNH0zaho&list=PL41EYJuJ5YuAb924jH_kYW5vszLfNaPWI&index=5>
>>
>> Science Asylum: What Everyone Gets Wrong About E=mc²
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch? 
>> v=HK6IIZ9jqfo&list=PL41EYJuJ5YuAb924jH_kYW5vszLfNaPWI&index=6>
>>
>> PBS SpaceTime: The Real Meaning of E=mc²
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch? 
>> v=Xo232kyTsO0&list=PL41EYJuJ5YuAb924jH_kYW5vszLfNaPWI&index=7>
>>
>> Today (since Dirac, 1928) we understand Einstein's hypothesis of 1905 
>> as a
>> consequence of the energy--momentum relation in Minkowski spacetime.  
>> Where
>> the 4-momentum is given on the one hand through Lagrangian mechanics by
>>
>>    [p]^a = (E/c, p)^T,
>>
>> where E is the total energy and p is the 3-momentum [1], and on the 
>> other by
>>
>>    [p]^a = m [u]^a = m d[x]^a/dτ = m d[x]^a/dt dt/dτ = γ m (c, v)^T    
>> [2]
>>
>> where v is the 3-velocity.  Then the square of the Minkowski norm of P is
>>
>>    (||P||₁,₃)² = η_ab p^a p^b = E²/c² - p² = γ² m (c² - v²)
>>                                            = γ² m² c² (1 - v²/c²)
>>                                            = γ² m² c²/γ²
>>                                            = m² c²
>>
>> leading to the energy--momentum relation
>>
>>    E² = m²c⁴ + p²c²,
>>
>> so that for p = 0 (!) we have
>>
>>    E₀ := E(p = 0) = m c².
>>
>> [1] see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-momentum#Derivation> for the
>>      detailed derivation
>> [2] ds² = c²dτ² = c²dt² − dx² − dy² − dz² = c²dt²/γ² ⇒ dt/dτ = γ.
>>
>>>> But I don't see a relation between atomic bombs and Einstein's equation
>>>> (which actually wasn't Einstein's invention).
>>>
>>> There is no way the atom bomb could be invented
>>> from the equation E = mc².
>>
>> _Atomic bomb_
>>
>> That is not true.  The relation of rest energy and mass, which was
>> subsequently confirmed using radioactivity, as Einstein had suggested 
>> in his
>> paper, gave a hint that a lot of energy is contained in matter, given the
>> magnitude of c².  Szilárds idea of a chain reaction pointed to a way how
>> this energy could be released.  Einstein's and Szilárd's letter (now 
>> known
>> as the Einstein--Szilárd letter) warned President Roosevelt of the
>> possibility that it could be released by an atomic bomb, and that reports
>> that Szilárd received from his contacts in Europe suggested that the 
>> Nazis
>> were close to the completion of the development of such a bomb as they 
>> were
>> collecting a lot of fissionable uranium.
>>
>> Although these reports turned out to be inaccurate, this letter 
>> eventually
>> led to the Manhattan Project and the development of a nuclear fission 
>> bomb
>> (which Einstein regretted later; still his idea -- maybe a bit naive 
>> at the
>> time was not that an atomic bomb would be developed to be *used*, but 
>> that
>> it would be developed *first* by the USA so that the Nazis would not 
>> dare to
>> use the one that they would supposedly develop *later*.  To date this 
>> idea
>> -- that the use of nuclear weapons would be ultimately mean self- 
>> destruction
>> if more than one participant had it -- has prevented nuclear war).
>>
>>> And Alfred Nobel had never heard of E = mc² when he
>>> invented dynamite. But the detonation of dynamite
>>> is another proof of mass converted to energy.
>>
>> No, rest energy is not converted to other forms of energy there.
>> These explosions are merely *chemical* reactions.
>>
>>>> Investors of the foundations of atomic bombs were:
>>>> Otto Hahn
>>>> Marie Curie
>>>> Leo Szillard
>>>> Edward Teller
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> Don't forget Lisa Meitner who worked together with Otto Hahn
>>> before the war. Otto Hahn got the Nobel price in chemistry 1944,'
>>> and many thought that it should be shared with Lisa Meitner.
>>
>> Read carefully.  It is claimed there that those people were 
>> *investors" of
>> the foundations where those people.  It is not clear whether this is a
>> mistake due to Thomas Heger's poor command of English, or whether this is
>> another of his conspiracy theories.  But, JFTR, they were NOT *investors*
>> (people who invest money into an enterprise or a valuable token), but
>> _investigators_; better: _researchers_.
>>
Sorry, but that was one of these artefacts, which only auto-correction 
can produce.

I meant, of course, 'inventors'.

An inventor is the person, who first had a certain idea for something new.

Here the foundation of nuclear energy were meant with 'invention'.

'Researcher' doesn't fit here, because I wanted to express, that those 
were the very people in history, who developed the foundations of 
nuclear energy.

Sure, I forgot Lise Meitner and certainly several others. But that 
'first' was my intention.

> 
> There are quite various definition of mass/energy (or, mass-energy)
> equivalency, "E = mc^2", Einstein's first was after an expression
> of the kinetic energy (not momentum) as the first term in a Taylor
> expansion, and Einstein's final was as after the account of the
> centrally-symmetric ("un-linear"). Then, SR has its own derivation,
> these days after the "re-definition" of "SI units as SR units", i.e.
> another derivation. The derivation of "momentum" itself as for a story
> of momentum, and its definition, since the Mertonian school and latitude
> of forms and whether P-R or P/R power and resistance, has that since
> there's Hooke's law then Clausius/Arrhenius, there are lots of
> _approximations_ hidden in the _derivations_, and there's that
> _approximations_ have _error terms_.

In my opinion the equation E= m*c² is wrong.

The equation came from the mass defect in nuclear decay and should 
therefore contain 'deltas' and look like this:

delta(E) = - delta(m) *c²

These 'deltas' are important and were missing in Einstein's equation.

Einstein's materialistic world view suggested a totally wrong 
interpretation of the term 'energy' as kind of 'stuff'.

The correct interpretation would be, that matter is 'relative' and 
material objects for one observer could be perceived as radiation by 
some other.

...

TH

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                Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0100
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