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Re: A robot might select an apple over an orange...

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics, alt.checkmate
Subject Re: A robot might select an apple over an orange...
Date 2018-09-04 11:25 -0700
Message-ID <fv811gF3hsmU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References <Jeff-Relf.Me@Sep.4--8.12am.Seattle.2018>

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On 9/4/18 8:12 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> A robot might select an apple over an orange,
> but that doesn't mean it has "free will" ("the uncaused cause").

How is an "uncaused cause" different from randomness?

> We're consumption machines, exploiting a niche,
> (poorly) programmed by nature to take a LessBad "option".
> 
> We call ourselves "consumers" and the GDP measures our progress.
> 
> All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
> 
>    Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.
> 
> Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling,
> and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed.
> 
> The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is:
> 
>    It's an _ Ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test,
>    like a pollster, asking _ 5 people if they'll vote for Hillary or not.
> 
> You can't prove anything, not ThermoDynamics ( Entropy and eXergy ),
> nor General Relativity; in fact, they _ contradict each other.
> 
> The best you can do is:
> 
>    - Find it useful ( in its domain ).
>    - Try to Falsify it ( in its domain ).
> 


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A robot might select an apple over an orange... Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-04 08:12 -0700
  Asking 5 liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-04 09:03 -0700
    Re: Asking 5 liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 09:05 -0700
  Re: A robot might select an apple over an orange... Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-09-04 11:25 -0700
    There is no such thing as an "uncaused cause" ( free will ). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-09-04 12:46 -0700
      Re: There is no such thing as an "uncaused cause" ( free will ). "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:33 -0700
        Re: There is no such thing as an "uncaused cause" ( free will ). "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-09-06 21:29 -0700

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