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Re: BREAKTHROUGH: Hydrogen Bonding as The Mechanism That Neutralizes H2O Polarity

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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

James McGinn, in
<news:3b20bae0-48a6-4bcc-a890-159f2068eed6@googlegroups.com> did
thusly jump head first into the wood chipper again:

> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 1:50:58 PM UTC-7,
> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote:

>>> Well, why don't you stop whining write a paper on that?

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bond
>> "A hydrogen bond is the electrostatic attraction between polar groups
>> that occurs when a hydrogen (H) atom bound to a highly electronegative
>> atom such as nitrogen (N), oxygen (O) or fluorine (F) experiences
>> attraction to some other nearby highly electronegative atom."
>> 
>> Now you'll be compelled to deny the very mechanism by which water
>> exhibits its properties, Jim... you're trapped like a rat.
>> 
>> Soper explained to you, there is no "symmetry" in liquid water. You're
>> 180 degrees out from reality because you're insane and denying
>> reality. H bonding is an electrostatic bond by its very definition,
>> James. That you don't know this, or know it and deny it, proves your
>> psychosis is growing.
>> 
>> Now you'll have to not only sue *science* and *reality* because
>> they're subverting your attempts to remodel all of reality, you'll
>> have to include *photons* and *electrons* as defendants, because they
>> are complicit in your paranoid conspiracy theory. LOL
>> 
>> A paper has already been written on it, James. Several, in fact. So
>> many, in fact, that all one need do is a simple Google search to find
>> the truth. That you've not done so, instead choosing to deny reality
>> so you could continue your delusion that you know better than every
>> single scientist over the past 250+ years, as you deny every single
>> bit of scientific knowledge garnered from carefully-controlled
>> experimentation over the past 250+ years, and as you blather on about
>> fairy tale suppositions you've pulled straight from your ass such as a
>> giant sentient sky tornado monster with noodly appendages which it
>> extends for thousands of miles to touch down tornadoes, and as you not
>> only fail but you *refuse* to perform any experiments which would null
>> your moronic blather, is proof that you're psychotic and off your
>> meds.
>> 
>> That is reality, James. Deal with it.

> Well then why not make an argument to that effect.

Why can't *you* make a substantive argument to support your moronic
blathering, James? Every time you try, you get your stupid ranting
shot full of holes, you're forced to backpedal and slap more patches
on your "theory", and thereby expose even more logical contradictions
in it, all the while proving that you're sliding into psychosis.

Now you're being backed into the corner and forced to deny the very
mechanism by which H bonding gives water its properties, and in so
doing, denying the very fundamentals of all electrostatic bonds, and
hence the basics of electromagnetism itself... which opens up an
entire new wing in the mental asylum for you to stack your logical
contradictions.

Get to refuting reality, you  moronic kooktard:

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-- 

Here, James, at the very least, try to address those tough questions
which spotlight the logical inconsistencies and contradictions
inherent in your "theory":

============================================================
Anders Nilsson measured (https://youtu.be/7hGqlEpvODw?t=2156) a
spectral peak that was not solid-phase nor liquid-phase water, James.
You claim that water remains liquid-phase upon evaporation. What was
Anders Nilsson measuring, James? Oh, that's right... gaseous phase
water, thereby proving that evaporation entails a phase change,
thereby proving latent heat of evaporation exists, thereby
*dis*proving a gigantic chunk of your theory, James.

You make a supposition that a "plasma not-a-plasma" is created from
water due to wind shear, which transports energy throughout the
atmosphere via wind driven by that plasma. Where does the energy come
from to create your "wind shear" to create your "plasma not-a-plasma"
if the "plasma not-a-plasma" cannot exist and thereby "transport
energy" by driving that wind to create the "wind shear" which creates
your "plasma not-a-plasma", unless there is "wind shear" to begin
with, James? Your logic is so twisted you're going in circles. You've
created a circulus in probando causality dilemma, which utterly
destroys your theory, James.

According to your "theory", electrostatic attraction *increases* with
distance (in violation of Coulomb's Law), which means that when an
electron falls in orbit, it has to *absorb* energy. And that higher
energy level somehow translates into a *weaker* electrostatic
attraction. Now let's look at the other side of the coin... the
electron in orbit would give off energy, rise in orbit, and somehow,
that *lower* energy level translates into a *stronger* electrostatic
attraction... how's *that* work, James? Explain how you've not just
violated the Law of Conservation of Energy on an atomic level.

How do your "jet stream vortices" travel potentially hundreds of miles
away from your "jet stream / giant tornado in the sky", without
detection by satellite *or* Doppler radar, and know where and when to
touch down so they always hit clouds, rather than tornadoes randomly
appearing out of the clear blue sky, James? Is your "jet stream /
giant tornado in the sky" sentient, James?

Go on, Jim, tell us... *why* is there a "boundary" between the
troposphere and the stratosphere... we're waiting, Jim... No answer,
Jim? Is it because that's where your "sentient jet stream / giant
tornado monster with noodly appendages" lives, and it likes it that
way, Jim? Do you need your meds, Jim?

If, as you claim, the jet stream is a vortex, why is the ride while
inside the jet stream so smooth, James? Have you never ridden in an
airplane inside a jet stream, James? Is it just that your "sentient
jet stream / giant tornado monster with noodly appendages" likes its
back scratched by the aircraft, so it doesn't rip the aircraft to
shreds, Jim?

Do you not understand that once the air going upward through the
tornadic funnel reaches the cumulonimbus cloud base above the
mesocyclone, it spreads out, thus the tornado is strictly a phenomenon
which happens from cloud base to ground? It does *not* go from the
ground all the way up through the cloud to the tropopause as you
claim, James, and it most certainly does not continue for potentially
hundreds of miles in the upper troposphere to join the jet stream,
which would make air travel deadly.

Explain why the jets run easterly, whereas the dry line runs N-S, if
the jets are powering the creation of tornadoes. How is a tornado
being created hundreds of miles from the edge of the jets, James?

Which direction does air flow from a flame, Jim? Up, does it not?
That's convection due to temperature-induced density differential, is
it not? Which direction does air flow from a flame in zero gravity,
James? Radially in all directions, thereby snuffing out the flame due
to lack of oxygen. So your claiming that convection doesn't exist
means you're further claiming that gravity does not exist, and fire
cannot burn for very long before it is smothered due to lack of
oxygen. Or were you not aware that convection is a gravity-induced
phenomenon due to density differential, James?

How does a hot air balloon rise, Jim? That's due to air density
differential due to temperature differential, is it not? That
less-dense air is convecting upward. Do you deny this, Jim? Is your
giant sentient sky tornado monster stretching one of its noodly
appendages down and gently lifting the hot air balloon, Jim?

How are your atmospheric "water droplets" forming if they're plasma,
Jim?

Do you not know what the definition of "plasma" is, James?

How is your "plasma not-a-plasma" (which you have admitted is a
hypothetical construct in a failed attempt to lend your claims even a
semblance of plausibility) forming if the nuclear binding energy and
dissociation energy of water are identical, and thus the water will
preferentially dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen unless hit with an
extremely energetic laser, Jim?

Where is the energy (equivalent to photons of 103.32 nm wavelength,
extremely strong ultraviolet, just 3.32 nm away from x-rays... except
photons with shorter wavelength than 121 nm are absorbed high above
the troposphere because they ionize air so well) coming from in the
troposphere to form your "plasma not-a-plasma", Jim?

How is the energy to plasmize your "plasma not-a-plasma" not
dissociating all water on the planet and killing all life on the
planet given that the energy *must* be in the troposphere where nearly
all the water is, and where all life is, Jim?

Now that it's been proven that water molecule polarity doesn't change
upon H bonding (which would have side effects such as random changes
in the solvent properties of water... and we know those properties do
not randomly change, Jim), and in fact the two spin isomers of water
molecules account for the different H bonding strengths which account
for evaporation and condensation, do you still contend that your
implausible claims are workable, Jim?
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Why can't you answer those questions, Jim?

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