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Re: INFINITY

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Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 9:47:05 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > On 11/12/15 11:39 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Where do you think the universe came from?
> >
> >
> >
> > Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
> >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle
> >    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8FTr2qMutA
> >
> >    Heisenberg's uncertainty principle tells us that it is
> >    impossible to simultaneously measure the position and
> >    momentum of a particle with arbitrary precision. In our
> >    everyday lives we virtually never come up against this
> >    limit, hence why it seems peculiar. In this experiment a
> >    laser is shone through a narrow slit onto a screen. As the
> >    slit is made narrower, the spot on the screen also becomes
> >    narrower. But at a certain point, the spot starts becoming
> >    wider. This is because the photons of light have been so
> >    localised at the slit that their horizontal momentum must
> >    become less well defined in order to satisfy Heisenberg's
> >    uncertainty principle.
> >
> > Quantum vacuum fluctuation (or Quantum Fluctuation for short)
> >    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation
> >
> > Quoting from the above Wikipedia page:
> >
> >    "In quantum physics, a quantum vacuum fluctuation (or
> >    quantum fluctuation or vacuum fluctuation) is the temporary
> >    change in the amount of energy in a point in space, arising
> >    from Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
> >
> >    "According to one formulation of the principle, energy and
> >    time can be related by the relation
> >
> >        ∆E · ∆t ≥ h/4π
> >
> >    "That means that conservation of energy can appear to be
> >    violated, but only for small times. This allows the creation
> >    of particle-antiparticle pairs of virtual particles. The
> >    effects of these particles are measurable, for example, in
> >    the effective charge of the electron, different from its
> >    "naked" charge.
> >
> >    "In the modern view, energy is always conserved, but the
> >    eigenstates of the Hamiltonian (energy observable) are not
> >    the same as (i.e., the Hamiltonian doesn't commute with) the
> >    particle number operators.
> >
> >    "Quantum fluctuations may have been very important in the
> >    origin of the structure of the universe: according to the
> >    model of inflation the ones that existed when inflation
> >    began were amplified and formed the seed of all current
> >    observed structure."
> >
> > Quoting from A USENET Posting by Steve Carlip (UC Davis):
> >
> >    "CMB fluctuations give evidence for (though not proof of)
> >    inflation.
> >
> >    "So far, I haven't said anything about where the initial
> >    density variations of the pre-recombination plasma came
> >    from. There are many possibilities. We know, at least, that
> >    they must be there -- even if we try to start with a
> >    perfectly smooth, unvarying plasma, the Heisenberg
> >    uncertainty principle tells us that there must be a minimum
> >    level of quantum fluctuations.
> >
> >         ∆E · ∆t ≥  h/4π
> >
> >    "Inflationary" models propose that the very early Universe
> >    -- before the time of primordial nucleosynthesis --
> >    underwent a very rapid expansion. Such an expansion would
> >    smooth out/dilute any earlier inhomogeneities, leaving only
> >    the quantum fluctuations, which would be "stretched" in size
> >    by the rapidly expanding space.
> >
> >    "Such models predict a special pattern of fluctuations. In
> >    particular, although any particular fluctuation is random,
> >    the average number at any particular scale is predictable.
> >    This pattern on initial variations, in turn, should show up
> >    in the details of the CMB variations. So far, observations
> >    match the predictions of inflation very well. Most people in
> >    the field don't consider this conclusive -- one can imagine
> >    other ways of getting a similar pattern of initial
> >    perturbations -- but it is suggestive."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
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> > community, and physics-related social issues.
> 
> How did the inflationary period attenuate?



You talk about "inflationary" as if is real...it's just a  fudge factor.

It's used to add fudge to 'the big bang'.

What i find strange is...

that the majority of the 
'scientific community'
talk as
believe that
think that
say that
'the big bang' happen.

It's not even a Fact.

The Big Bang is not a fact.


That aside...

I have a photograph
that shows you what the big bang looked like
a few seconds after it happen.

You will see the big bang
in a color photograph...
and at the same time you
can see what existed at the
time of the big bang...
what I call the stable stars...the green stars.

The big bang stars are red shifted because
you can see the big bang stars shooting in all
directions at once...while the green stars remain stable
because they existed before the big bang.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg


The Starmaker

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INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-10 23:55 -0800
  Re: INFINITY HGW <xxx@....> - 2015-11-11 19:57 +1100
    Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:46 -0600
      Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-11 11:55 -0800
        Re: INFINITY David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-11-11 14:19 -0600
          Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-11 13:12 -0800
  INFINITY HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 06:20 -0800
    Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:40 -0600
      Re: INFINITY benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 12:01 -0500
        Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-11 13:16 -0800
          Re: INFINITY gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-11 21:21 -0600
            Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-11 19:40 -0800
            Re: INFINITY je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2015-11-12 02:02 -0800
              Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-12 09:39 -0800
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:47 -0600
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-12 23:25 -0800
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 09:09 -0600
                Re: INFINITY kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-13 15:52 -0500
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 15:07 -0600
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 15:11 -0600
                Re: INFINITY kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-13 16:39 -0500
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 16:11 -0600
                Re: INFINITY "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 14:43 -0800
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 17:24 -0600
                Re: INFINITY Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-13 23:44 +0100
                Re: INFINITY kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-13 19:39 -0500
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 18:50 -0600
                Re: INFINITY kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-14 04:39 -0500
                Re: INFINITY Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 14:48 -0800
                Re: INFINITY "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 15:05 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-13 15:59 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-14 11:46 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-14 12:04 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-15 14:27 -0800
                Re: INFINITY pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-15 14:35 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-15 15:07 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-15 16:23 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-15 21:56 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-16 11:16 -0800
                Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 13:29 -0600
                Re: INFINITY dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-16 15:50 -0500
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-16 13:48 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-16 14:45 -0800
                Re: INFINITY HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 15:39 -0800
                Re: INFINITY pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-16 20:14 -0800
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-15 14:57 -0800
                Re: INFINITY benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 14:06 -0500
                Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-12 11:42 -0800
              Re: INFINITY benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 13:15 -0500
                Re: INFINITY Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 10:26 -0800
          Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-11 19:37 -0800
      Re: INFINITY HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 10:27 -0800
        Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-12 11:55 -0800
          Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 13:14 -0800
            Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. "Efftard J. Smith" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-11-12 18:10 -0800
              Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 08:15 -0800
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 12:35 -0500
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 04:15 -0800
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 14:24 -0500
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 18:21 -0800
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 04:16 -0500
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 03:10 -0800
                Re: The _observable_ universe is finite. noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 13:26 -0800
    Re: INFINITY benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 11:59 -0500
  Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:43 -0600
  Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-11 18:25 -0800
    Re: INFINITY David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-11-12 13:04 -0600
      Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-12 11:54 -0800
        Re: INFINITY The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-12 22:51 -0800
  Re: INFINITY "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 10:16 -0800
    Re: INFINITY Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 15:12 -0600
  Re: INFINITY Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-16 15:58 -0800
    Re: INFINITY "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 16:47 -0800

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