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Re: Our very own "chinese room"

From Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx>
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Subject Re: Our very own "chinese room"
Message-ID <44cf6618cbde07717612babc1635804e@dizum.com> (permalink)
Date 2016-04-13 06:58 +0200
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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

vallor, in <news:dn3n3nFr88hU5@mid.individual.net> did thusly jump
head first into the wood chipper again:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:48:46 +0200, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler
> Emeritus wrote:

>> Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>
>> 
>> Bite My Shiny Metal Ass (aka Shiny Tinfoil Spankard), in
>> <news:pvujgbtu76ehuqggf4266chs72s3f3jra9@4ax.com> did thusly jump head

>>> You still don't have a clue what a derivitive is, or what its inverse
>>> operation is.

>> Shiny Tinfoil Spankard claims the co-functionality of sine and cosine
>> are "inverse operations" and not co-functionality.

> Bub, take a look in the mirror.
> 
> It's clear you're in over your head. Your sentence above is almost a 
> complete non sequitur from what BMSMA just said.  It would be a 
> _complete_ non sequitur if sine and cosine didn't factor in to what was 
> saying.

Bullshit. He was trying to say cosine is the inverse operation of
cosine.

> The inverse operation to the derivative is the integral.

No, the inverse function to the derivative is the integral.

> No matter what the semantics, it's clear this is what he's talking
> about,

If he can't even get the terminology correct, it's pretty apparent he
doesn't know what he's talking about.

> and only the 
> most Derridian wackadoodle deconstructionist would go off on the 
> (literary) tangent that you did intentionally.  But that's not what 
> happened.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_functions_and_differentiation>
In mathematics, the inverse of a function is a function that, in some
fashion, "undoes" the effect (see inverse function for a formal and
detailed definition).

> Ordinarily, I'd be confused why in another post, you would go as far as 
> to state this very fact, then when parsing his statement above, have it 
> go right over your head.
> 
> But there's nothing confusing about that, because you are a chinese room 
> simulation.

Or you're desperately squirming and attempting to dismiss those
"semantics" of using the correct terminology because you so want to
gain even a single point against your Usenet Lord and Master, even if
you have to give that point to the moron Shiny Tinfoil Spankard. LOL

>> The inverse function of cosine is arccosine. The inverse function of
>> sine is arcsine. You're a moron. LOL

> Except he wasn't talking about that, he was talking about the inverse 
> operation of a derivative.

Anw what is this "inverse operation of a derivative"? Hmmmm?

> That _happens_ to be a relationship between sin(x) and cos(x),

You mean co-functionality? Words have meanings, you can't just throw
any old word in there and expect to be right.

> but you've gone off talking about cofunctions and 
> arcsine/arccosine and other irrelevancies that have nothing to do with 
> what BMSMA was talking about.
> 
> So, okay, you're learning something -- I get that.  Go ahead and 
> integrate cos(x), just don't make the common trivial mistake that is the 
> source of some humor among mathematicians.

It would appear that while I'm "learning something", you and Shiny
Tinfoil Spankard are stuck defending his fuckups while learning
nothing. Or while learning something but unable to admit it because
that'd entail admitting your Usenet Lord and Master was right.

<snicker>

>> RUN! SHINY TINFOIL SPANKARD! RUUUUUNNNNNN!!!!

> I think my irony circuits just scrammed.

You don't know the meaning of that word.

<snicker>

-- 

Shiny Tinfoil Spankard (aka Bite My Shiny Metal Ass) didn't know:
=====================================
MID: <13d33d0638e0ec690b63393d0710f658@dizum.com>
MID: <80d61a6928a9e7df316c519affcf3838@dizum.com>
The Euler equation is a subset of equations known as the Euler-Fourier
Formulas, thus that a sinewave is a transformation of a circle (which
should have been intuitive, given that generators *rotate* to create
*sinusoids*).

MID: <ff81cb60204ffbd777cd15a6261cfb67@dizum.com>
That cross correlation is used with Fourier transforms.

That superposition is the same as wave interference.

That wave interference works the same for standing or traveling waves.

That RMS and peak-to-peak voltage are two different things.

That RMS isn't a DC voltage.

That 170 volt peak, 120.208 volt RMS L-N 3-phase service gives 208.207
volts RMS L-L.

That 4444525800 != 4400000000 != 1.

The difference between frequency and period of a sinewave.

That there's no difference between 'i' and 'j' in electrical
engineering, physics and control systems engineering.

What a positive or negative vector is.

That the vector sum of 3-phase AC constitutes a closed loop per
Kirchhoff's Voltage Law, thus that the three phases sum to zero.

That "mnemonic" is not spelled "mneumonic".

That "gaffe" is not spelled "gaff".

That his claim: "Water is tetrahedral. It actually has 4 poles, 2
positive and 2 negative." is nonsense from a blathering moron.

That the term "electronegativity" denotes a *positive* effective
nuclear charge.

What the definition of the word "equivalent" is.

That digital voltmeters do indeed take discrete instantaneous samples.

That the atmosphere (and the gaseous phase water within the
atmosphere) does indeed follow the Ideal Gas Law to within 1.337842%
margin of error *worst* *case* at 70 F.

That the square of the instantaneous sample of peak-to-peak voltage of
a peak-voltage sinewave is an offset sinewave, thus its average does
*not* equal zero, as Shiny Tinfoil Brain k'lames.

That the Ideal Gas Law does not require an ideal gas because it takes
into account molar volume.

That "within 10% error" does not equal "10% error".

That water can be plasmized.

That atomic number does not equal effective nuclear charge.

MID: <382fa822c6dbca9a6f88cab5a104bf62@dizum.com>
That formulas *are* math.

How to use a graphing calculator.

MID: <8e4e21f5748d85599f700ee8ff174611@dizum.com>
What LaTeX notation is.

MID: <8e4e21f5748d85599f700ee8ff174611@dizum.com>
That LaTeX notation *is* "plain text", not a script.

MID: <c1c02875af2c6615bd30ab20416b75b5@dizum.com>
That a formula in LaTeX notation is still a formula.

That scientific notation and LaTeX notation are not the same.
DUURRRHH! GoogleTard. LOL

That LaTeX notation can be copy-n-pasted into a LaTeX compatible
program to view the formula.

That image size != image resolution.

That inverse operations are not inverse functions.

That RMS voltage is a mathematical approximation.

That there are _three_ methods of mathematically approximating RMS
voltage.

The difference between Euler's Theorems and Euler's Formulas.

And the moron continues to demonstrate his inability to read a graph.
=====================================

Shiny Tinfoil Spankard the Mathematical Moron maunders and mewls:
=====================================
"All you've shown us is graphs of formulas. No equal signs, no maths
done." - Shiny Tinfoil Brain demonstrates his Mathematical Moronism.
=====================================

SPNAK!

<snicker>

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                Re: Our very own "chinese room" snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2016-04-06 19:37 +0100
                Re: Our very own "chinese room" Nadegda <nad318b404@gmail.invalid> - 2016-04-06 20:54 +0000
                Re: Our very own "chinese room" "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-06 17:45 -0400
                Re: Our very own "chinese room" Skeet <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-07 21:46 -0600
                Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis Skeet <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-02 12:41 -0600
                Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-04-02 12:02 -0400
      Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-03-25 13:07 -0700
    Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 11:05 -0700
      Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-04-09 07:16 +0200
  Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-03-23 18:21 -0700
  case of that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 13:24 -0700
    Re: case of that James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 13:53 -0700
  Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:19 -0700
    Re: Nutcase Dude Gets Schooled on Tornadogenesis Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-04-29 07:26 +0200

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