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The real story of "confirming" The Shit

Started byMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
First post2026-11-11 10:07 +0100
Last post2026-11-11 11:02 +0000
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  The real story of "confirming" The Shit Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-11-11 10:07 +0100
    Re: The real story of "confirming" The Shit Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2026-11-11 10:32 +0000
      Re: The real story of "confirming" The Shit Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-11-11 11:50 +0100
        Re: The real story of "confirming" The Shit Python <jpierre.messager@gmail.com> - 2026-11-11 11:02 +0000

#675951 — The real story of "confirming" The Shit

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-11-11 10:07 +0100
SubjectThe real story of "confirming" The Shit
Message-ID<18e6f2728b6075c4$132$2733841$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com>
1) The idiot has imagined some desynchronizing
according to his symmetric idiocies clocks. He
asserted them to be perfect and ideal clocks.

2)His minions invented and constructed clocks
fitting that. They said "Look! These clocks are
PERFECT!!! Because they perfectly fit the idiot's
delusions!!!"

3) Fitting the idiot's delusions clocks fitted
the idiot's delusions and "confirmed" the prophecy
that fitting the idiot's delusions clocks will fit
the idiot's delusions.

4)the assertion that it's perfect remains as
baseless as it is idiotic

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#675954

FromPython <jpierre.messager@gmail.com>
Date2026-11-11 10:32 +0000
Message-ID<nijU2aMva8ZKs4T2JLntXoZkzPA@jntp>
In reply to#675951
Maciej,

> The real story of "confirming" The Shit

Oh, wonderful.

Maciej Woźniak has finally decided to rewrite the history of experimental 
physics.

Unfortunately, he forgot to check what actually happened.

> 1) The idiot has imagined some desynchronizing
> according to his symmetric idiocies clocks.
> He asserted them to be perfect and ideal clocks.

No, Maciej.

An ideal clock is one that measures the proper time along its worldline.

Relativity predicts that clocks following different worldlines can 
accumulate different amounts of proper time.

There is nothing contradictory about that.

And the predicted difference is QUANTITATIVE.

Not a label.

Not a religious belief.

A NUMBER.

> 2) His minions invented and constructed clocks
> fitting that.

Ah, yes!

The great conspiracy of atomic clock manufacturers!

Apparently, they secretly designed cesium atoms to obey Einstein.

Quite an achievement, considering that the relevant atomic transition 
frequencies are properties of nature, not inventions of clock 
manufacturers.

And now for the part you conveniently left out.

In 1977, the NTS-2 satellite carried a cesium atomic clock.

Its relativistic frequency offset was predicted BEFORE the measurement.

The correction was initially left unapplied.

The measured offset was:

+443.1 x 10^-12.

The predicted offset was:

+445.0 x 10^-12.

Agreement within approximately 0.43%.

Only AFTER this measurement was the correction applied.

Source:

Easton, Buisson and McCaskill,
NRL Report 8232 (1978),
"Initial Results of the NAVSTAR GPS NTS-2 Satellite".

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA058591.pdf

So explain something, Maciej.

How did a clock that had NOT YET BEEN CORRECTED produce almost exactly the 
frequency difference predicted by relativity?

Did the cesium atoms read Einstein's papers?

Were they brainwashed?

Perhaps they attended secret meetings of the Church of Proper Time?

> 3) Fitting the idiot's delusions clocks fitted
> the idiot's delusions and "confirmed" the prophecy

No.

A theory predicted a numerical effect.

An experiment measured that effect.

The prediction agreed with the measurement.

That is what experimental confirmation means.

And your attempt to describe this as circular reasoning is particularly 
hilarious because the experimental measurement was made BEFORE the 
correction was applied.

> 4) the assertion that it's perfect remains as
> baseless as it is idiotic

And there you go again.

PERFECT.

IDEAL.

PROPER.

REAL.

You are still obsessing over adjectives.

Meanwhile, physicists and engineers are comparing numerical predictions 
with measurements.

38.5 microseconds per day.

Your old nemesis.

You have now produced four paragraphs of insults, a conspiracy theory 
about atomic clocks, and precisely ZERO numerical predictions of your own.

So here's a simple challenge.

Forget Einstein.

Forget the words "proper time".

Forget whether you like the adjective "ideal".

Take an atomic clock on Earth and another aboard a GPS satellite.

What difference in their rates does YOUR theory predict, before 
compensation?

Give us a number.

With units.

And show us how you calculated it.

The relativistic prediction is approximately +38.5 microseconds per day 
for the satellite clock.

The experiment confirmed the effect.

Now it's your turn.

Or will you once again explain that numbers are irrelevant because the 
clocks have the wrong NAME?

Praise REAL TIME!

And may the sacred cesium atoms never betray you. :-)

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#675958

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2026-11-11 11:50 +0100
Message-ID<18e6f810d126374f$134$2733841$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#675954
On 11/11/2026 11:32 AM, Python wrote:
> Maciej,
> 
>> The real story of "confirming" The Shit
> 
> Oh, wonderful.
> 
> Maciej Woźniak has finally decided to rewrite the history of 
> experimental physics.
> 
> Unfortunately, he forgot to check what actually happened.
> 
>> 1) The idiot has imagined some desynchronizing
>> according to his symmetric idiocies clocks.
>> He asserted them to be perfect and ideal clocks.
> 
> No, Maciej.

Yes, poor piece of shit.



> 
> An ideal clock is one that measures the proper time along its worldline.
> 
> Relativity predicts that clocks following different worldlines can 
> accumulate different amounts of proper time.

That's right, The Shit is prophecing that
the clocks fitting it will fit it.

> There is nothing contradictory about that.

Indeed.

> 
>> 2) His minions invented and constructed clocks
>> fitting that.
> 
> Ah, yes!
> 
> The great conspiracy of atomic clock manufacturers!

Python you're too stupid for any conspiracy and it's
a mere fact that atomic clocks were invented and
announced perfect after the idiot mumbled his
idiocies.


> In 1977, the NTS-2 satellite carried a cesium atomic clock.
> Its relativistic frequency offset was predicted BEFORE the measurement.

To predict that the clocks fitting the idiot's
idiocies will fit the idiot's idiocies requires
indeed magnificent skills.

And the assertion that it's perfect remains
as baseless as it is idiotic.

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#675961

FromPython <jpierre.messager@gmail.com>
Date2026-11-11 11:02 +0000
Message-ID<sX-9Quc2ScOWf0sVTMsbSo-RwKc@jntp>
In reply to#675958
Le 11/11/2026 à 11:50, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
> On 11/11/2026 11:32 AM, Python wrote:
>> Maciej,
>> 
>>> The real story of "confirming" The Shit
>> 
>> Oh, wonderful.
>> 
>> Maciej Woźniak has finally decided to rewrite the history of 
>> experimental physics.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, he forgot to check what actually happened.
>> 
>>> 1) The idiot has imagined some desynchronizing
>>> according to his symmetric idiocies clocks.
>>> He asserted them to be perfect and ideal clocks.
>> 
>> No, Maciej.
> 
> Yes, poor piece of shit.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> An ideal clock is one that measures the proper time along its worldline.
>> 
>> Relativity predicts that clocks following different worldlines can 
>> accumulate different amounts of proper time.
> 
> That's right, The Shit is prophecing that
> the clocks fitting it will fit it.
> 
>> There is nothing contradictory about that.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
>> 
>>> 2) His minions invented and constructed clocks
>>> fitting that.
>> 
>> Ah, yes!
>> 
>> The great conspiracy of atomic clock manufacturers!
> 
> Python you're too stupid for any conspiracy and it's
> a mere fact that atomic clocks were invented and
> announced perfect after the idiot mumbled his
> idiocies.
> 
> 
>> In 1977, the NTS-2 satellite carried a cesium atomic clock.
>> Its relativistic frequency offset was predicted BEFORE the measurement.
> 
> To predict that the clocks fitting the idiot's
> idiocies will fit the idiot's idiocies requires
> indeed magnificent skills.
> 
> And the assertion that it's perfect remains
> as baseless as it is idiotic.

https://ibb.co/HT3CqjBB

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