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Another Twins Paradox

Started bypatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
First post2018-11-11 20:02 -0800
Last post2018-12-06 20:57 +0100
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  Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-11 20:02 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 20:23 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-11-12 16:04 +1100
    Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-12 06:27 +0100
      Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-12 06:43 +0100
    Imbecile Pat Dolan repeats himself "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-11 21:56 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-12 00:43 -0600
      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-12 01:04 -0800
        Pat Dolan demonstrates his cretinism "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-12 07:52 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-12 11:48 -0600
          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-12 19:31 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-12 22:55 -0600
              Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shoowe.wh> - 2018-11-13 20:58 +0000
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-13 23:40 +0100
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shouwe.wh> - 2018-11-13 23:51 +0000
          Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-13 10:22 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-16 09:58 -0600
              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-16 09:45 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-16 12:48 -0600
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-16 11:32 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-16 21:25 +0100
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-16 12:44 -0800
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-17 18:25 +0100
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 11:14 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 19:35 +0000
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 11:49 -0800
                                Cretin Pad Dolan perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 12:15 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 12:35 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 13:47 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 14:04 -0800
                                      Utter cretin Patrick Dolan at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 14:27 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 15:06 -0800
                                        Patrick Dolan, total imbecile from Seattle, WA "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 19:03 -0800
                                          Re: Patrick Dolan, total imbecile from Seattle, WA pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-17 20:35 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 23:43 +0000
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-17 18:19 -0600
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 16:32 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 16:39 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 17:12 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 17:21 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 17:25 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-17 17:39 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 21:23 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 13:57 +0000
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-18 08:24 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 19:45 +0000
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-18 23:32 +0100
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 02:00 +0000
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-17 10:23 -0600
    Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 16:08 +0000
      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-12 08:29 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:28 +0000
          Re: Another Twins Paradox "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-12 10:44 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-12 10:50 -0800
          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-12 19:35 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 06:22 +0000
            Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-13 06:33 +0000
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:35 +0000
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-13 12:25 -0600
        Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-12 20:29 +0000
          Re: Another Twins Paradox Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-12 21:49 +0000
            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:46 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox Gaston Castaneda <uucp@jav4ow.nq> - 2018-11-13 20:14 +0000
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-13 23:48 +0100
                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 14:55 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shoowe.wh> - 2018-11-13 23:49 +0000
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:00 -0800
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-14 17:22 +0100
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shouwe.wh> - 2018-11-14 16:31 +0000
    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 20:45 -0800
      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-12 23:29 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 01:15 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:33 +0000
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-13 13:05 -0600
          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 11:11 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-13 22:43 +0100
              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 13:57 -0800
                Cretin Pat Dolan needs to be sterilized, such that he doesn't reproduce "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-13 14:12 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-13 23:15 +0100
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 14:39 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-13 23:58 +0100
                    Imbecile Pat Dolan needs to be sterilized "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-13 15:04 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-13 15:01 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-13 16:02 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-13 17:38 -0800
                      Imbecile Pat Dolan needs to ne stopped from reproducing "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-13 18:19 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-14 04:29 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-13 21:22 -0600
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 19:45 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 21:42 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 20:19 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 21:43 -0800
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 21:49 -0800
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 22:34 -0800
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-13 23:29 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 01:13 -0800
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shouwe.wh> - 2018-11-14 15:51 +0000
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 08:03 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shouwe.wh> - 2018-11-14 16:28 +0000
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 15:07 +0000
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 07:23 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 23:56 +0000
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 07:41 +0000
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 01:49 -0800
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-14 16:35 +0000
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 09:17 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Shon Wible <shwn@shouwe.wh> - 2018-11-14 18:24 +0000
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 11:43 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 23:56 +0000
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 16:32 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 16:55 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-15 05:22 +0000
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:57 +0000
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-15 09:31 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-15 09:37 -0800
                                        Imbecile Pat Dolan from Seattle , WA "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-15 09:44 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:31 +0000
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 01:46 +0000
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patd <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-14 19:14 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-14 19:29 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 03:46 +0000
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-14 21:28 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:02 +0000
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-15 08:21 -0800
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:57 +0000
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-15 09:08 -0800
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-15 10:46 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:56 +0000
                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-15 11:00 -0800
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 19:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 20:04 +0000
                                                    Cretins Pat Dolan and Keith Stein working together "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-15 12:59 -0800
                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 01:47 +0000
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-16 20:36 +0000
          Re: Another Twins Paradox Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv> - 2018-11-13 20:10 +0000
    Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 09:16 +0000
      Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 12:51 +0000
    Re: Another Twins Paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 17:10 -0800
      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 17:52 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 18:56 -0800
          Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-19 19:30 -0800
          Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 19:35 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox pdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-19 20:07 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-20 09:44 -0600
                Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 09:32 -0800
                  Cretin Pat Dolan expresses his imbecility "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 09:37 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox PatDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 09:42 -0800
                    Cretin Pat Dolan takes it in the pants "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 09:54 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 09:57 -0800
                      Cretin Pat Dolan inserts foot in mouth. Deeper. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 10:04 -0800
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox PatDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 10:22 -0800
                        Pathological imbecile Pat Dolan, inserts foot in mouth. Deeper. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 13:24 -0800
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-20 21:53 +0100
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 13:22 -0800
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 13:30 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 13:58 -0800
                              Incurable cretin Pat Dolan from Seatlle WA "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 14:00 -0800
                          Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres in his imbecility "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 13:47 -0800
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-21 12:25 -0600
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 19:00 +0000
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-21 11:11 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 19:19 +0000
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-21 22:03 -0600
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-21 23:35 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 01:02 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 09:17 -0800
                                      Cretin Pat Dolan at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 09:33 -0800
                                        Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 11:27 -0800
                                          Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 11:50 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 10:32 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 11:27 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox PatDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 11:46 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 13:22 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-22 23:00 +0100
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 14:15 -0800
                                            [OT] Family names and their pronunciation (was: Another Twins Paradox) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-23 02:37 +0100
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-22 14:28 -0600
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-22 14:25 -0600
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Elden Lathan <an@tnettw.ea> - 2018-11-22 20:44 +0000
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-22 21:11 -0600
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Elden Lathan <an@tnetvtw.ea> - 2018-11-23 16:47 +0000
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 08:59 +0000
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 01:05 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-22 18:28 +0100
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-20 15:57 -0600
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 14:01 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 14:22 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 14:35 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 14:50 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 15:37 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-20 16:31 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 16:50 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-20 19:32 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 20:06 -0800
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-20 20:13 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 20:20 -0800
                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-21 15:00 -0800
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 17:14 -0800
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-21 04:13 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 19:24 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 21:08 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 00:06 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-20 01:08 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 12:03 +0000
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-20 04:41 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 14:36 +0000
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 13:42 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 07:15 -0800
      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-18 18:34 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-18 19:12 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-18 19:41 -0800
        Pat Dolan, John Y. Wang, wankers "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-18 19:48 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 13:17 +0000
      Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 06:36 +0000
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-19 04:34 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 13:53 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-19 10:13 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-22 14:30 -0800
      Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 14:39 -0800
      Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-22 21:07 -0600
        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-22 21:05 -0800
          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 21:19 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 21:33 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 08:01 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 08:32 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 08:56 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 09:28 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 09:39 -0800
                    Cretin Pat Dolan doesn't understand basic Newtonian mechanics "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 09:44 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 12:41 -0800
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 13:22 -0800
                        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 13:54 -0800
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 14:04 -0800
                            Shitferbrains Pat Dolan takes another one in the pants "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 14:45 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 15:25 -0800
                              Pathological imbecile Pat Dolan at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 16:07 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 16:25 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 16:37 -0800
                                Utter cretin Pat Dolan perseveres in his imbecility "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 16:44 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 21:22 -0800
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 16:49 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 17:40 -0800
                                Pat Dolan, lying POS "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 18:01 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 18:10 -0800
                                  Cretin Pat Dolan insists on taking it up the pants "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 18:16 -0800
                                  Pat Dolan takes another kick in the behind "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 18:34 -0800
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 19:12 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 19:26 -0800
                                    The Pat Dolan piece of shit takes it in the pants one more time "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 19:37 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 19:55 -0800
                                      Utter cretin Pat Dolan puffs himself up, like a gasbag "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 00:02 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-23 21:28 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 23:57 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 00:31 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 14:23 +0000
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 12:05 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 14:45 -0800
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 21:50 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-25 01:45 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 11:00 -0800
                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 12:39 -0800
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 13:00 -0800
                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 21:29 +0000
                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 14:11 -0800
                                                    Pathological Imbecile Pat Dolan keeps taking it in the pants "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 14:35 -0800
                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 15:38 -0800
                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 16:27 -0800
                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 16:49 -0800
                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 01:33 +0000
                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 17:42 -0800
                                                            Stubborn cretin Pat Dolan perseveres. In his imbecility. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 17:49 -0800
                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 02:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 20:49 -0800
                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-26 23:22 -0800
                                                        Imbecile Pat Dolan attempts to calculate. Fail. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 17:44 -0800
                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 18:40 -0800
                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 23:10 -0800
                                                            Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres in his imbecility "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 02:04 -0800
                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 02:40 -0800
                                                              Pat Dolan, a lying piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 07:21 -0800
                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 05:07 -0800
                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 13:54 +0000
                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 09:56 -0800
                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 10:04 -0800
                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 10:42 -0800
                                                                    Pat Dolan = lying piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 11:03 -0800
                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 12:41 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 14:17 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 15:24 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 16:16 -0800
                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 16:37 -0800
                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Lee Primer <itoo@wodinwnc.cg> - 2018-11-28 00:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 17:00 -0800
                                                                                  Pat Dolan, lying dumbshit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 17:22 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 17:41 -0800
                                                                        Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan continues to squirm "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 16:26 -0800
                                                                Cretin Pat Dolan insists in his imbecility "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 10:21 -0800
                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 19:28 -0800
                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-27 20:12 -0800
                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 07:39 -0800
                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 18:46 -0800
                                                                        Pat Dolan imbecile at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 18:55 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 19:04 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 19:47 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 08:31 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 21:07 -0800
                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 21:34 -0800
                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 22:01 -0800
                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 22:07 -0800
                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 22:20 -0800
                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 22:25 -0800
                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-28 23:43 -0800
                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 00:18 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 01:44 -0800
                                                                                Wacko Pat Dolan in need of mental help "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 06:11 -0800
                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 07:28 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 07:36 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 07:50 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:19 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 08:41 -0800
                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:19 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 08:28 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:49 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 10:52 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 09:06 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 17:24 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 09:36 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-29 12:13 -0600
                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Lee Primer <itoo@wodinwnc.cg> - 2018-11-29 18:25 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 10:43 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-29 19:30 -0600
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 00:02 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Lee Primer <itoo@wodinwnc.cg> - 2018-11-30 11:32 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Lee Primer <itoo@wodinwnc.cg> - 2018-11-30 11:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-30 13:21 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Lee Primer <itoo@wodinwnc.cg> - 2018-11-30 20:01 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 12:07 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 10:43 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 10:38 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 10:53 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 11:03 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 11:06 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 11:34 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 11:42 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 12:28 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-29 20:52 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 12:15 -0800
                                                                                                Cretin Pat Dolan inserts foot in mouth "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 12:19 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-30 17:42 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 09:01 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-30 18:14 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-30 18:25 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 17:15 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 09:31 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 20:11 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 12:28 -0800
                                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-30 18:16 -0800
                                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-12-04 20:20 -0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 20:32 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-12-05 13:06 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 13:38 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-05 13:49 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 16:37 -0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-06 02:04 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-12-06 09:11 -0800
                                                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-06 18:41 +0100
                                                                                                                  Lunatic asylum resident Pat Dolan regains his 1 hr/week computer privilege and promptly uses it to spew fresh idiocies "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 22:36 -0800
                                                                                                    Pat Dolan imbecile insers both feet in his mouth "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 10:19 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 19:59 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 12:25 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 12:36 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 13:29 -0800
                                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 22:27 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:55 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 13:24 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 22:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 12:29 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 21:40 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-29 16:11 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 14:17 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 14:50 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 14:50 -0800
                                                                                        Pat Dolan, natural imbecile "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 11:27 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 12:23 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 12:33 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 21:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 14:49 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 15:07 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 13:38 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 15:20 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:24 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 18:15 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 16:46 -0800
                                                                                                Pat Dolan sinks even lower "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 17:19 -0800
                                                                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 19:35 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 12:58 -0800
                                                                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 13:32 -0800
                                                                                            Natural cretin Pat Dolan insists "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 13:34 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 14:38 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 14:46 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 10:54 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 10:42 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-29 10:55 -0800
                                                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 00:12 -0800
                                                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:51 +0000
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 03:36 -0800
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 12:09 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 13:07 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 15:32 +0000
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 08:02 -0800
                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 17:30 +0000
                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 09:36 -0800
                              Pat Dolan, lying POS "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 09:43 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 18:06 +0000
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 10:20 -0800
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 18:31 +0000
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 10:39 -0800
                                      Shiitforbrains Pat Dolan, Seattle, WA "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 10:56 -0800
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 19:42 +0000
                                        Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 12:48 -0800
                                          Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 00:20 +0000
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 17:11 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 18:46 -0800
                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 19:32 -0800
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 19:36 -0800
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 19:46 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 12:43 +0000
                                            Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-25 00:46 -0800
                                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-25 14:35 +0000
                                                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-26 10:50 -0800
                                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 19:23 +0000
                                      Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 19:15 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-24 11:22 -0800
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-24 19:20 +0100
                                Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-24 19:24 +0100
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 10:33 -0800
                                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-24 19:54 +0100
                                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-25 04:36 +0100
                              Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-24 12:47 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 10:14 -0800
                Pathological imbecile Pat Dolan takes it in the pants. Repeatedly. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 10:29 -0800
          Re: Another Twins Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-22 22:07 -0800
          Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-23 00:28 -0600
            Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 01:01 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-26 17:56 -0600
            Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-23 07:04 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-24 19:06 -0600
                Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-24 17:14 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-24 23:35 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-26 00:11 -0600
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 09:15 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 11:24 -0800
                      Re:" PHYSICS AWARDS " Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 14:55 +0000
                        Re: " PHYSICS AWARDS " Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 15:00 +0000
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 20:00 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 20:37 -0800
    Dumbshit Pat Dolan takes it in the pants "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-23 07:31 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 11:29 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 11:30 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 11:30 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 11:32 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 12:11 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 14:42 -0800
      Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 14:58 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:02 -0800
        Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 03:22 +0000
          Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 19:42 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:20 -0800
              Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 20:37 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:47 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 21:37 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 21:50 -0800
                    Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 01:03 -0800
                      Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:23 +0000
                      Incurable cretin Pat Dolan itches to take it in the pants "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 07:24 -0800
                Re: Another Twins Paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-30 03:44 -0800
                  Re: Another Twins Paradox patdolan@comcast.net - 2018-11-30 07:36 -0800
                    Insane patient Pat Dolan at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 07:58 -0800
                      Re: Insane patient Pat Dolan at work Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:18 +0000
                        Re: Insane patient Pat Dolan at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 08:40 -0800
            Re: Another Twins Paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:22 +0000
    Re: Another Twins Paradox carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-11-29 15:09 -0800
    Re: Another Twins Paradox Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-12-06 20:57 +0100

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#477113

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 03:46 +0000
Message-ID<psiq6l$27j$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#477109
patd <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 5:46:36 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> patdolan <> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:56:19 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> patdolan <patdolan> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There you go ahead, trying to combine gravity and SR, despite being 
>>>>>>>> corrected. You can't use SR where gravity is involved. You just can't,
>>>>>>>> SR assumes no gravity or gravity effects so weak they don't affect the
>>>>>>>> outcome.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Um...how weak would gravity effects have to be in order to not effect 
>>>>>>> the outcome, Michael Moroney?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Smaller than the measurement errors. That's the standard that scientists
>>>>>> and engineers use. Don't forget that part of measurement and measurement-
>>>>>> related computation is estimating the range of all errors. You'll see that
>>>>>> in ALL modern science papers, they track the accumulated error range and
>>>>>> use this number to show the possibility that the observed results are by
>>>>>> random chance.  That number must be very small for valid results. But
>>>>>> you cannot use SR math to model an earth orbiting a gravitating sun. That
>>>>>> effect is in no way too small to ignore by using SR.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Micheal M.  Now consider a neighborhood where the radius of
>>>>> spacetime curvature is, oh let's say 31 quadrillion feet.  In your
>>>>> opinion is such a neighborhood flat enough to perform reliably accurate testing of SR?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What’s the measurement precision?
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>>> The |(delta x) - (delta t*c)| will be around 10 billion feet in the one
>>> case and 100 feet in the other.
>>> 
>> 
>> Doesn’t answer my question. Do you know what the question means?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Does nanosecond resolution work as an answer for you?  

Nanosecond resolution in measuring what quantity? 

I’m beginning you don’t know what measurement precision means. 

> If so, then do you declare that instruments that can reliably measure
> nanosecond intervals be used in a region of spacetime where there is a 31
> quadrillion foot radius of curvature to reliably identify relativistic phenomena?
> 
> This is getting boring Bodkin.  Let's move things to their inevitable
> conclusion where I win again.
> 

You mean when you get tired of being embarrassed and stalk off in a huff,
and then come back later declaring victory?


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#477116

Frompatdolan@comcast.net
Date2018-11-14 21:28 -0800
Message-ID<18e4ad2c-0de5-4365-b939-15a9e3ef7375@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477113
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:46:33 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> patd <patdolan> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 5:46:36 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> patdolan <> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:56:19 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> patdolan <patdolan> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> writes:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> There you go ahead, trying to combine gravity and SR, despite being 
> >>>>>>>> corrected. You can't use SR where gravity is involved. You just can't,
> >>>>>>>> SR assumes no gravity or gravity effects so weak they don't affect the
> >>>>>>>> outcome.  
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Um...how weak would gravity effects have to be in order to not effect 
> >>>>>>> the outcome, Michael Moroney?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Smaller than the measurement errors. That's the standard that scientists
> >>>>>> and engineers use. Don't forget that part of measurement and measurement-
> >>>>>> related computation is estimating the range of all errors. You'll see that
> >>>>>> in ALL modern science papers, they track the accumulated error range and
> >>>>>> use this number to show the possibility that the observed results are by
> >>>>>> random chance.  That number must be very small for valid results. But
> >>>>>> you cannot use SR math to model an earth orbiting a gravitating sun. That
> >>>>>> effect is in no way too small to ignore by using SR.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thank you Micheal M.  Now consider a neighborhood where the radius of
> >>>>> spacetime curvature is, oh let's say 31 quadrillion feet.  In your
> >>>>> opinion is such a neighborhood flat enough to perform reliably accurate testing of SR?
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> What’s the measurement precision?
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>> 
> >>> The |(delta x) - (delta t*c)| will be around 10 billion feet in the one
> >>> case and 100 feet in the other.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Doesn’t answer my question. Do you know what the question means?
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > Does nanosecond resolution work as an answer for you?  
> 
> Nanosecond resolution in measuring what quantity? 
> 
> I’m beginning you don’t know what measurement precision means. 
> 
> > If so, then do you declare that instruments that can reliably measure
> > nanosecond intervals be used in a region of spacetime where there is a 31
> > quadrillion foot radius of curvature to reliably identify relativistic phenomena?
> > 
> > This is getting boring Bodkin.  Let's move things to their inevitable
> > conclusion where I win again.
> > 
> 
> You mean when you get tired of being embarrassed and stalk off in a huff,
> and then come back later declaring victory?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Bodkin and M. Moroney,

let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.

A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8

We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion, Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting the core phenomena of special relativity.

Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is accepted by all professional relativists.

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#477126

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 14:02 +0000
Message-ID<psju9v$1qht$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#477116
<patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:46:33 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> patd <patdolan> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 5:46:36 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> patdolan <> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:56:19 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> writes:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There you go ahead, trying to combine gravity and SR, despite being 
>>>>>>>>>> corrected. You can't use SR where gravity is involved. You just can't,
>>>>>>>>>> SR assumes no gravity or gravity effects so weak they don't affect the
>>>>>>>>>> outcome.  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Um...how weak would gravity effects have to be in order to not effect 
>>>>>>>>> the outcome, Michael Moroney?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Smaller than the measurement errors. That's the standard that scientists
>>>>>>>> and engineers use. Don't forget that part of measurement and measurement-
>>>>>>>> related computation is estimating the range of all errors. You'll see that
>>>>>>>> in ALL modern science papers, they track the accumulated error range and
>>>>>>>> use this number to show the possibility that the observed results are by
>>>>>>>> random chance.  That number must be very small for valid results. But
>>>>>>>> you cannot use SR math to model an earth orbiting a gravitating sun. That
>>>>>>>> effect is in no way too small to ignore by using SR.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you Micheal M.  Now consider a neighborhood where the radius of
>>>>>>> spacetime curvature is, oh let's say 31 quadrillion feet.  In your
>>>>>>> opinion is such a neighborhood flat enough to perform reliably
>>>>>>> accurate testing of SR?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What’s the measurement precision?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> 
>>>>> The |(delta x) - (delta t*c)| will be around 10 billion feet in the one
>>>>> case and 100 feet in the other.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Doesn’t answer my question. Do you know what the question means?
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>>> Does nanosecond resolution work as an answer for you?  
>> 
>> Nanosecond resolution in measuring what quantity? 
>> 
>> I’m beginning you don’t know what measurement precision means. 
>> 
>>> If so, then do you declare that instruments that can reliably measure
>>> nanosecond intervals be used in a region of spacetime where there is a 31
>>> quadrillion foot radius of curvature to reliably identify relativistic phenomena?
>>> 
>>> This is getting boring Bodkin.  Let's move things to their inevitable
>>> conclusion where I win again.
>>> 
>> 
>> You mean when you get tired of being embarrassed and stalk off in a huff,
>> and then come back later declaring victory?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Bodkin and M. Moroney,
> 
> let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
> 
> A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
> is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  

Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 

> Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
> living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.

Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 

> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
> 
> We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
> Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
> the core phenomena of special relativity.

Depends on the application. 

> 
> Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
> accepted by all professional relativists.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#477136

Frompatdolan@comcast.net
Date2018-11-15 08:21 -0800
Message-ID<a20b980d-fd05-4341-a0e4-487845150fb0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477126
On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:02:43 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <patdolan> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:46:33 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> patd <patdolan> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 5:46:36 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> patdolan <> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:56:19 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> writes:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> There you go ahead, trying to combine gravity and SR, despite being 
> >>>>>>>>>> corrected. You can't use SR where gravity is involved. You just can't,
> >>>>>>>>>> SR assumes no gravity or gravity effects so weak they don't affect the
> >>>>>>>>>> outcome.  
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Um...how weak would gravity effects have to be in order to not effect 
> >>>>>>>>> the outcome, Michael Moroney?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Smaller than the measurement errors. That's the standard that scientists
> >>>>>>>> and engineers use. Don't forget that part of measurement and measurement-
> >>>>>>>> related computation is estimating the range of all errors. You'll see that
> >>>>>>>> in ALL modern science papers, they track the accumulated error range and
> >>>>>>>> use this number to show the possibility that the observed results are by
> >>>>>>>> random chance.  That number must be very small for valid results. But
> >>>>>>>> you cannot use SR math to model an earth orbiting a gravitating sun. That
> >>>>>>>> effect is in no way too small to ignore by using SR.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thank you Micheal M.  Now consider a neighborhood where the radius of
> >>>>>>> spacetime curvature is, oh let's say 31 quadrillion feet.  In your
> >>>>>>> opinion is such a neighborhood flat enough to perform reliably
> >>>>>>> accurate testing of SR?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> What’s the measurement precision?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The |(delta x) - (delta t*c)| will be around 10 billion feet in the one
> >>>>> case and 100 feet in the other.
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Doesn’t answer my question. Do you know what the question means?
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>> 
> >>> Does nanosecond resolution work as an answer for you?  
> >> 
> >> Nanosecond resolution in measuring what quantity? 
> >> 
> >> I’m beginning you don’t know what measurement precision means. 
> >> 
> >>> If so, then do you declare that instruments that can reliably measure
> >>> nanosecond intervals be used in a region of spacetime where there is a 31
> >>> quadrillion foot radius of curvature to reliably identify relativistic phenomena?
> >>> 
> >>> This is getting boring Bodkin.  Let's move things to their inevitable
> >>> conclusion where I win again.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> You mean when you get tired of being embarrassed and stalk off in a huff,
> >> and then come back later declaring victory?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > Bodkin and M. Moroney,
> > 
> > let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
> > 
> > A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
> > is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  
> 
> Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 
> 
> > Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
> > living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.
> 
> Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
> strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 
> 
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
> > 
> > We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
> > Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
> > the core phenomena of special relativity.
> 
> Depends on the application. 
> 
> > 
> > Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
> > accepted by all professional relativists.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Good morning children.  And how are you all on this last day of Relativity, both Special and General.

C'mon Bodkin.  It's all about the relative velocities vs. the curvature and has nothing to do with the strength of electromagnetic fields or the illusion of Newtonian gravity.

Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.  Maybe we should consider co-writing something.  I'm thinking about a prequel.  Have your people call my people.

We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.

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#477144

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 16:57 +0000
Message-ID<psk8ij$e0k$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#477136
<patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 6:02:43 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <patdolan> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:46:33 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> patd <patdolan> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 5:46:36 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> patdolan <> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:56:19 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> patdolan <patdolan> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> There you go ahead, trying to combine gravity and SR, despite being 
>>>>>>>>>>>> corrected. You can't use SR where gravity is involved. You just can't,
>>>>>>>>>>>> SR assumes no gravity or gravity effects so weak they don't affect the
>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome.  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Um...how weak would gravity effects have to be in order to not effect 
>>>>>>>>>>> the outcome, Michael Moroney?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Smaller than the measurement errors. That's the standard that scientists
>>>>>>>>>> and engineers use. Don't forget that part of measurement and measurement-
>>>>>>>>>> related computation is estimating the range of all errors. You'll see that
>>>>>>>>>> in ALL modern science papers, they track the accumulated error range and
>>>>>>>>>> use this number to show the possibility that the observed results are by
>>>>>>>>>> random chance.  That number must be very small for valid results. But
>>>>>>>>>> you cannot use SR math to model an earth orbiting a gravitating sun. That
>>>>>>>>>> effect is in no way too small to ignore by using SR.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you Micheal M.  Now consider a neighborhood where the radius of
>>>>>>>>> spacetime curvature is, oh let's say 31 quadrillion feet.  In your
>>>>>>>>> opinion is such a neighborhood flat enough to perform reliably
>>>>>>>>> accurate testing of SR?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What’s the measurement precision?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The |(delta x) - (delta t*c)| will be around 10 billion feet in the one
>>>>>>> case and 100 feet in the other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Doesn’t answer my question. Do you know what the question means?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does nanosecond resolution work as an answer for you?  
>>>> 
>>>> Nanosecond resolution in measuring what quantity? 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m beginning you don’t know what measurement precision means. 
>>>> 
>>>>> If so, then do you declare that instruments that can reliably measure
>>>>> nanosecond intervals be used in a region of spacetime where there is a 31
>>>>> quadrillion foot radius of curvature to reliably identify relativistic phenomena?
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is getting boring Bodkin.  Let's move things to their inevitable
>>>>> conclusion where I win again.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You mean when you get tired of being embarrassed and stalk off in a huff,
>>>> and then come back later declaring victory?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>>> Bodkin and M. Moroney,
>>> 
>>> let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
>>> 
>>> A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
>>> is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  
>> 
>> Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 
>> 
>>> Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
>>> living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.
>> 
>> Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
>> strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
>>> 
>>> We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
>>> Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
>>> the core phenomena of special relativity.
>> 
>> Depends on the application. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
>>> accepted by all professional relativists.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Good morning children.  And how are you all on this last day of
> Relativity, both Special and General.
> 
> C'mon Bodkin.  It's all about the relative velocities vs. the curvature
> and has nothing to do with the strength of electromagnetic fields or the
> illusion of Newtonian gravity.

No, that’s simply not true. 

As has been mentioned to you several times, being able to distinguish
classical from relativistic effects is entirely dependent in the
measurement being done, the precision with which that is measured, and the
relative size of other physical effects which influence the result. 

This is BASIC freshman laboratory science skills. You lack them. 

If I told you that a wooden meter stick were used to measure the length of
a tabletop and the reported answer was 78.5 cm, I’m quite confident you
could not tell me the relative precision of that measurement, which is
something that first-year students do on the first day of that first year. 

It makes no sense for you to try to figure these things out, let alone
critique them, without these basic skills and experimental sensibilities. 

> 
> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.  Maybe we
> should consider co-writing something.  I'm thinking about a prequel. 
> Have your people call my people.
> 
> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#477146

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-11-15 09:08 -0800
Message-ID<b4331e7a-fdc7-4283-a63c-7a567511e7cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477144
On Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:57:59 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> 
> This is BASIC freshman laboratory science skills. You lack them. 
> 
> If I told you that a wooden meter stick were used to measure the length of
> a tabletop and the reported answer was 78.5 cm, I’m quite confident you
> could not tell me the relative precision of that measurement, which is
> something that first-year students do on the first day of that first year. 
> 
> It makes no sense for you to try to figure these things out, let alone
> critique them, without these basic skills and experimental sensibilities. 
> 


Come on, poor idiot. Nothing is hidden behind your
wise faces. You don't even know Pythagorean theorem.

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#477165

FrompatDolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2018-11-15 10:46 -0800
Message-ID<341fa2cd-45a5-49a2-b997-0ed3be481bae@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477136
> > > 
> > > Bodkin and M. Moroney,
> > > 
> > > let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
> > > 
> > > A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
> > > is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  
> > 
> > Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 
> > 
> > > Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
> > > living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.
> > 
> > Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
> > strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
> > > 
> > > We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
> > > Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
> > > the core phenomena of special relativity.
> > 
> > Depends on the application. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
> > > accepted by all professional relativists.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Good morning children.  And how are you all on this last day of Relativity, both Special and General.
> 
> C'mon Bodkin.  It's all about the relative velocities vs. the curvature and has nothing to do with the strength of electromagnetic fields or the illusion of Newtonian gravity.
> 
> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.  Maybe we should consider co-writing something.  I'm thinking about a prequel.  Have your people call my people.
> 
> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.

Let’s return to the scene of the crime.  I refer to the incident in which Fire attempted to murder Bodkin with his wrench.  Ice witnessed the crime through his telescope.  Bodkin has yet to fully recover, as evidenced by his posts earlier today.  Recall the day that…

Ice watched Fire "accidentally" drop his wrench from the top of Big Ben on Bodkin's head while he was walking to the library.  Big Ben ticked off 4.426 s during that 96 m drop.  But by Ice's watch it took 10.154 s to fall the 96 m.   
 
Fermilab’s Don “Honest Abe” Lincoln assures us that the above crime took place in a region of spacetime where the postulates of Special Relativity are PROVEN to hold true and where Swarzschild says there exists a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet.  The witness, Ice, is in a region of almost absolute flatness.

Fire, Ice and the wrench all travel at the same 4-velocity of 31 quadrillion feet per year. 

Before the police took him away, Fire quickly calculated the spacetime interval for the wrench drop as approximately the sqrt { ( [ c*4.426 ]^2 - ( 96^2 ) }.   Whilst the witness Ice calculated the same interval as the sqrt { ( [ c*10.154 ]^2 - ( 96^2 ) } .

Ice’s interval is over twice as large as Fire’s.  So Ice concluded that the radius of curvature on the surface of the earth was around 12 quadrillion feet AND NOT 31 quadrillion feet.

The detective summed up the evidence at the scene of the crime: 

Two observers of the same event in nearly flat spacetime were SR is proven to hold good.  Two VERY DIFFERENT spacetime intervals.  Two VERY DIFFERENT curvatures for the same location.  

And that children, is how your uncle Pat slew the twin dragons of Special and General Relativity.  You are welcome.

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#477171

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 18:56 +0000
Message-ID<pskffv$qcc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#477165
patDolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bodkin and M. Moroney,
>>>> 
>>>> let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
>>>> 
>>>> A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
>>>> is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  
>>> 
>>> Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 
>>> 
>>>> Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
>>>> living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.
>>> 
>>> Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
>>> strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
>>>> 
>>>> We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
>>>> Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
>>>> the core phenomena of special relativity.
>>> 
>>> Depends on the application. 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
>>>> accepted by all professional relativists.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>> 
>> Good morning children.  And how are you all on this last day of
>> Relativity, both Special and General.
>> 
>> C'mon Bodkin.  It's all about the relative velocities vs. the curvature
>> and has nothing to do with the strength of electromagnetic fields or the
>> illusion of Newtonian gravity.
>> 
>> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.  Maybe we
>> should consider co-writing something.  I'm thinking about a prequel. 
>> Have your people call my people.
>> 
>> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.
> 
> Let’s return to the scene of the crime.  I refer to the incident in which
> Fire attempted to murder Bodkin with his wrench.  Ice witnessed the crime
> through his telescope.  Bodkin has yet to fully recover, as evidenced by
> his posts earlier today.  Recall the day that…
> 
> Ice watched Fire "accidentally" drop his wrench from the top of Big Ben
> on Bodkin's head while he was walking to the library.  Big Ben ticked off
> 4.426 s during that 96 m drop.  But by Ice's watch it took 10.154 s to fall the 96 m.   
>  
> Fermilab’s Don “Honest Abe” Lincoln assures us that the above crime took
> place in a region of spacetime where the postulates of Special Relativity
> are PROVEN to hold true and where Swarzschild says there exists a radius
> of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet.  The witness, Ice, is in a region of
> almost absolute flatness.
> 
> Fire, Ice and the wrench all travel at the same 4-velocity of 31
> quadrillion feet per year. 
> 
> Before the police took him away, Fire quickly calculated the spacetime
> interval for the wrench drop as approximately the sqrt { ( [ c*4.426 ]^2
> - ( 96^2 ) }.   Whilst the witness Ice calculated the same interval as
> the sqrt { ( [ c*10.154 ]^2 - ( 96^2 ) } .
> 
> Ice’s interval is over twice as large as Fire’s.  So Ice concluded that
> the radius of curvature on the surface of the earth was around 12
> quadrillion feet AND NOT 31 quadrillion feet.
> 
> The detective summed up the evidence at the scene of the crime: 
> 
> Two observers of the same event in nearly flat spacetime were SR is
> proven to hold good.  Two VERY DIFFERENT spacetime intervals.  Two VERY
> DIFFERENT curvatures for the same location.  
> 
> And that children, is how your uncle Pat slew the twin dragons of Special
> and General Relativity.  You are welcome.
> 

That is nowhere near how to do the calculation. 

You have 99,999 other options for guessing wrong. Is it your plan to work
through all of them until you land on the one way to do it right?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#477174

Frompatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2018-11-15 11:00 -0800
Message-ID<01ec42c6-91e2-4171-b1b1-faec7640b9fc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477171
On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> patDolan <patdolan> wrote:
> > 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Bodkin and M. Moroney,
> >>>> 
> >>>> let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
> >>>> 
> >>>> A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
> >>>> is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  
> >>> 
> >>> Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 
> >>> 
> >>>> Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
> >>>> living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.
> >>> 
> >>> Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
> >>> strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
> >>>> 
> >>>> We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
> >>>> Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
> >>>> the core phenomena of special relativity.
> >>> 
> >>> Depends on the application. 
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
> >>>> accepted by all professional relativists.
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >> 
> >> Good morning children.  And how are you all on this last day of
> >> Relativity, both Special and General.
> >> 
> >> C'mon Bodkin.  It's all about the relative velocities vs. the curvature
> >> and has nothing to do with the strength of electromagnetic fields or the
> >> illusion of Newtonian gravity.
> >> 
> >> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.  Maybe we
> >> should consider co-writing something.  I'm thinking about a prequel. 
> >> Have your people call my people.
> >> 
> >> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.
> > 
> > Let’s return to the scene of the crime.  I refer to the incident in which
> > Fire attempted to murder Bodkin with his wrench.  Ice witnessed the crime
> > through his telescope.  Bodkin has yet to fully recover, as evidenced by
> > his posts earlier today.  Recall the day that…
> > 
> > Ice watched Fire "accidentally" drop his wrench from the top of Big Ben
> > on Bodkin's head while he was walking to the library.  Big Ben ticked off
> > 4.426 s during that 96 m drop.  But by Ice's watch it took 10.154 s to fall the 96 m.   
> >  
> > Fermilab’s Don “Honest Abe” Lincoln assures us that the above crime took
> > place in a region of spacetime where the postulates of Special Relativity
> > are PROVEN to hold true and where Swarzschild says there exists a radius
> > of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet.  The witness, Ice, is in a region of
> > almost absolute flatness.
> > 
> > Fire, Ice and the wrench all travel at the same 4-velocity of 31
> > quadrillion feet per year. 
> > 
> > Before the police took him away, Fire quickly calculated the spacetime
> > interval for the wrench drop as approximately the sqrt { ( [ c*4.426 ]^2
> > - ( 96^2 ) }.   Whilst the witness Ice calculated the same interval as
> > the sqrt { ( [ c*10.154 ]^2 - ( 96^2 ) } .
> > 
> > Ice’s interval is over twice as large as Fire’s.  So Ice concluded that
> > the radius of curvature on the surface of the earth was around 12
> > quadrillion feet AND NOT 31 quadrillion feet.
> > 
> > The detective summed up the evidence at the scene of the crime: 
> > 
> > Two observers of the same event in nearly flat spacetime were SR is
> > proven to hold good.  Two VERY DIFFERENT spacetime intervals.  Two VERY
> > DIFFERENT curvatures for the same location.  
> > 
> > And that children, is how your uncle Pat slew the twin dragons of Special
> > and General Relativity.  You are welcome.
> > 
> 
> That is nowhere near how to do the calculation. 
> 
> You have 99,999 other options for guessing wrong. Is it your plan to work
> through all of them until you land on the one way to do it right?
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Bodkin, Bodkin, Bodkin...you have no idea how to calculate this stuff.  Or do you?  Why don't you show us.  I'm headed up to the library now and will expect your work posted when I get back.

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#477181

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 19:56 +0000
Message-ID<pskj0o$10f9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#477174
patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> patDolan <patdolan> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bodkin and M. Moroney,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> let me end the drama and answer the question for you both.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A region of spacetime with a radius of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet
>>>>>> is not too curved to prevent the operation of Special Relativity.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, it depends on the application and the size of the effect. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Otherwise Fermilab's Don Lincoln wouldn't talk up his damned .95c pions
>>>>>> living longer in the FL linear accelerator as a proof of SR.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, that’s right. Even Newtonian gravity is insignificant compared to the
>>>>> strength of the electromagnetic fields in the beam line at Fermilab. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txv7V_nY2eg&list=PLCfRa7MXBEspw_7ZSTVGCXpSswdpegQHX&index=8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We are assured by the experts that the curvature (and its illusion,
>>>>>> Newtonian gravity) at the surface of the earth is in no way inhibiting
>>>>>> the core phenomena of special relativity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Depends on the application. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tomorrow we'll delve into the dreadful consequences of this fact which is
>>>>>> accepted by all professional relativists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning children.  And how are you all on this last day of
>>>> Relativity, both Special and General.
>>>> 
>>>> C'mon Bodkin.  It's all about the relative velocities vs. the curvature
>>>> and has nothing to do with the strength of electromagnetic fields or the
>>>> illusion of Newtonian gravity.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.  Maybe we
>>>> should consider co-writing something.  I'm thinking about a prequel. 
>>>> Have your people call my people.
>>>> 
>>>> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.
>>> 
>>> Let’s return to the scene of the crime.  I refer to the incident in which
>>> Fire attempted to murder Bodkin with his wrench.  Ice witnessed the crime
>>> through his telescope.  Bodkin has yet to fully recover, as evidenced by
>>> his posts earlier today.  Recall the day that…
>>> 
>>> Ice watched Fire "accidentally" drop his wrench from the top of Big Ben
>>> on Bodkin's head while he was walking to the library.  Big Ben ticked off
>>> 4.426 s during that 96 m drop.  But by Ice's watch it took 10.154 s to fall the 96 m.   
>>> 
>>> Fermilab’s Don “Honest Abe” Lincoln assures us that the above crime took
>>> place in a region of spacetime where the postulates of Special Relativity
>>> are PROVEN to hold true and where Swarzschild says there exists a radius
>>> of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet.  The witness, Ice, is in a region of
>>> almost absolute flatness.
>>> 
>>> Fire, Ice and the wrench all travel at the same 4-velocity of 31
>>> quadrillion feet per year. 
>>> 
>>> Before the police took him away, Fire quickly calculated the spacetime
>>> interval for the wrench drop as approximately the sqrt { ( [ c*4.426 ]^2
>>> - ( 96^2 ) }.   Whilst the witness Ice calculated the same interval as
>>> the sqrt { ( [ c*10.154 ]^2 - ( 96^2 ) } .
>>> 
>>> Ice’s interval is over twice as large as Fire’s.  So Ice concluded that
>>> the radius of curvature on the surface of the earth was around 12
>>> quadrillion feet AND NOT 31 quadrillion feet.
>>> 
>>> The detective summed up the evidence at the scene of the crime: 
>>> 
>>> Two observers of the same event in nearly flat spacetime were SR is
>>> proven to hold good.  Two VERY DIFFERENT spacetime intervals.  Two VERY
>>> DIFFERENT curvatures for the same location.  
>>> 
>>> And that children, is how your uncle Pat slew the twin dragons of Special
>>> and General Relativity.  You are welcome.
>>> 
>> 
>> That is nowhere near how to do the calculation. 
>> 
>> You have 99,999 other options for guessing wrong. Is it your plan to work
>> through all of them until you land on the one way to do it right?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Bodkin, Bodkin, Bodkin...you have no idea how to calculate this stuff. 
> Or do you?  Why don't you show us.  I'm headed up to the library now and
> will expect your work posted when I get back.
> 

I already did the calculation. You obviously don’t know how to reproduce
it. 

Good luck at the library. Maybe you’ll actually learn something. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#477182

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 20:04 +0000
Message-ID<PikHD.205633$5A2.128297@fx25.am4>
In reply to#477174
On 15/11/2018 19:00, patdolan wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> patDolan <patdolan> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.

Well i was a bit naughty jumping in on your tail there, Pat,
but glad to hear you enjoyed my twist to your tale eh!

   Maybe we
>>>> should consider co-writing something.

We could certainly give it a try Mr.Wozniak.

   I'm thinking about a prequel.
>>>> Have your people call my people.

My people say "Tell his people to call us"

>>>> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.

Whenever....

>>> Let’s return to the scene of the crime.  I refer to the incident in which
>>> Fire attempted to murder Bodkin with his wrench.  Ice witnessed the crime
>>> through his telescope.  Bodkin has yet to fully recover, as evidenced by
>>> his posts earlier today.  Recall the day that…
>>>
>>> Ice watched Fire "accidentally" drop his wrench from the top of Big Ben
>>> on Bodkin's head while he was walking to the library.  Big Ben ticked off
>>> 4.426 s during that 96 m drop.  But by Ice's watch it took 10.154 s to fall the 96 m.



If you are watching "Big Ben" through a telescope as
you approach in your rocket at 0.9 c, then for every
hour on your clock you would see Big Ben advance

   According to SR: sqrt((1+0.9)/(1-0.9)) hours   = 4.36 hours
   According to Classical Physics: (1+.9)/1 hours = 1.9 hours.


If we are to co=authorship, my people insists
that we must agree on our predictions Pat, and
although it will probably have no effect whatsoever
on the fate of Old Bodkin, nevertheless we must agree
the spanner actually did take to fall on Bodkin's bounce,
by Ice's watch.


My people say i must cease all co=writing,
until we can agree on predictions eh!

>>> Fermilab’s Don “Honest Abe” Lincoln assures us that the above crime took
>>> place in a region of spacetime where the postulates of Special Relativity
>>> are PROVEN to hold true and where Swarzschild says there exists a radius
>>> of curvature of 31 quadrillion feet.  The witness, Ice, is in a region of
>>> almost absolute flatness.
>>>
>>> Fire, Ice and the wrench all travel at the same 4-velocity of 31
>>> quadrillion feet per year.
>>>
>>> Before the police took him away, Fire quickly calculated the spacetime
>>> interval for the wrench drop as approximately the sqrt { ( [ c*4.426 ]^2
>>> - ( 96^2 ) }.   Whilst the witness Ice calculated the same interval as
>>> the sqrt { ( [ c*10.154 ]^2 - ( 96^2 ) } .
>>>
>>> Ice’s interval is over twice as large as Fire’s.  So Ice concluded that
>>> the radius of curvature on the surface of the earth was around 12
>>> quadrillion feet AND NOT 31 quadrillion feet.
>>>
>>> The detective summed up the evidence at the scene of the crime:
>>>
>>> Two observers of the same event in nearly flat spacetime were SR is
>>> proven to hold good.  Two VERY DIFFERENT spacetime intervals.  Two VERY
>>> DIFFERENT curvatures for the same location.
>>>
>>> And that children, is how your uncle Pat slew the twin dragons of Special
>>> and General Relativity.  You are welcome.
>>>
>>
>> That is nowhere near how to do the calculation.
>>
>> You have 99,999 other options for guessing wrong. Is it your plan to work
>> through all of them until you land on the one way to do it right?
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Bodkin, Bodkin, Bodkin...you have no idea how to calculate this stuff.  Or do you?  Why don't you show us.  I'm headed up to the library now and will expect your work posted when I get back.
> 

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#477186 — Cretins Pat Dolan and Keith Stein working together

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-11-15 12:59 -0800
SubjectCretins Pat Dolan and Keith Stein working together
Message-ID<574ce2bc-ef5e-4bc2-8d14-b62a874b3303@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477182
On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 12:04:02 PM UTC-8, Keith Stein wrote:
> 
> If we are to co=authorship, 

Two cretins stroking each other

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#477201

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-16 01:47 +0000
Message-ID<EkpHD.181470$xE.18207@fx22.am4>
In reply to#477182
On 15/11/2018 20:04, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 15/11/2018 19:00, patdolan wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 10:56:03 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> patDolan <patdolan> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>> Thank you for that beautiful alternative ending Keith Stein.
> 
> Well i was a bit naughty jumping in on your tail there, Pat,
> but glad to hear you enjoyed my twist to your tale eh!

>>>>>    Maybe we
>>>>> should consider co-writing something.
> 
> We could certainly give it a try Mr.Wozniak.

Well i must be a cretin eh!
Sorry Pat. Wrong dissident eh!

>>>>>    I'm thinking about a prequel.
>>>>> Have your people call my people.

> My people say "Tell his people to call us"

>>>>> We'll get about today's bloody business after breakfast.
> 
> Whenever....
> 
>>>> Let’s return to the scene of the crime.  I refer to the incident in 
>>>> which
>>>> Fire attempted to murder Bodkin with his wrench.  Ice witnessed the 
>>>> crime
>>>> through his telescope.  Bodkin has yet to fully recover, as 
>>>> evidenced by
>>>> his posts earlier today.  Recall the day that…
>>>>
>>>> Ice watched Fire "accidentally" drop his wrench from the top of Big Ben
>>>> on Bodkin's head while he was walking to the library.  Big Ben 
>>>> ticked off
>>>> 4.426 s during that 96 m drop.  But by Ice's watch it took 10.154 s 
>>>> to fall the 96 m.
>  
> If you are watching "Big Ben" through a telescope as
> you approach in your rocket at 0.9 c, then for every
> hour on your clock you would see Big Ben advance
> 
>    According to SR: sqrt((1+0.9)/(1-0.9)) hours   = 4.36 hours
>    According to Classical Physics: (1+.9)/1 hours = 1.9 hours.
> 
> 
> If we are to co=authorship, my people insists
> that we must agree on our predictions Pat, and
> although it will probably have no effect whatsoever
> on the fate of Old Bodkin, nevertheless we must agree how long
> the spanner did take to fall on old Bodkin's bounce,
> by Ice's watch.
> 
> My people say i must cease all co=writing,
> until we can agree on predictions eh!

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#477269

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-11-16 20:36 +0000
Message-ID<psn9o0$o2a$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#477116
Again, it depends on the particular situation and the precision necessary.

The path of the earth around the sun is irrelevant to pions moving at 
nearly c 1/4 mile down a beam pipe.

Measuring the dynamics of a solar/stellar system over a period of time
and such GR effects are (obviously!) relevant.

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#476991

FromGaston Castaneda <ucpp@java4ow.nv>
Date2018-11-13 20:10 +0000
Message-ID<psfb2s$frp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#476987
Tom Roberts wrote:

> But those assumptions include neglecting the earth's mass, which is
> clearly an approximation. Omit that approximation and replace it with
> approximating both masses as constant (i.e. ignoring stellar evolution
> and solar radiation), and the earth's path will slowly contract in
> radius, and eventually the earth's surface will intersect the sun's
> surface. This takes enormously longer than the age of the universe,
> because the mechanism is gravitational radiation and the earth+sun emit
> very little.

But the homepage designer Thomas Pointedears said you are wrong.

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#477049

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-14 09:16 +0000
Message-ID<MJRGD.176927$2T2.74116@fx42.am4>
In reply to#476844
On 12/11/2018 04:02, patdolan wrote:
> Once upon a time 

Oh goody a fairy tale.

>.. two observers will always measure the same value for the speed of light, no matter their relative velocities. 

Well anything is possible in fairy tales eh!

> Fire eventually became the repairman at Big Ben in London. 

"Best job in the world this" said Fire "I get one call out a decade, 
regular as clockwork"

> Ice found himself in outer space several light years from the solar system 
? Ice noticed that the earth made one revolution around the sun for 
every 730.5 revolutions that the little hand made around Big Ben.

"Clearly i am going nowhere in this job" said Ice to himself.

> ...  Ice decided to pack up his telescope and go home. Ice imparted to himself a velocity of .9c towards the solar system along the line that is co-linear with the sun’s axis of rotation.  The solar system spun beneath him like a giant clock face as he made his way back home.
> 
> After some time Ice took another look through his telescope and found that the diameters of the sun and the earth, and the distance between the sun and earth were the same as they had been before he began his .9c trip home.  Ice also found that the earth still made one revolution around the sun for every 730.5 revolutions that the little hand made around Big Ben.   Ice further found that after he corrected for the relativistic doppler shift, his own watch was running 2.294 times faster than Big Ben. 

"I am aging 2.294 faster than my brother now" said Ice "Won't Fire be 
surprised when i get home and show up as the older twin."

> None of this surprised Ice as he was quite versed in Relativity.

Fire however would of been amazed because he too was well versed in 
Relativity, and he was convinced that he himself would be the older twin 
when his brother got home.

> And the moral of the moral is that Relativity is a priori inconsistent

                 [The End]



Thanks a lot Pat. I do love a tale with a good moral eh!

keith stein

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#477123

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-15 12:51 +0000
Message-ID<hZdHD.264287$SY5.118569@fx37.am4>
In reply to#477049
On 14/11/2018 09:16, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 12/11/2018 04:02, patdolan wrote:
>> Once upon a time 
> 
> Oh goody a fairy tale.
> 
>> .. two observers will always measure the same value for the speed of 
>> light, no matter their relative velocities. 
> 
> Well anything is possible in fairy tales eh!
> 
>> Fire eventually became the repairman at Big Ben in London. 
> 
> "Best job in the world this" said Fire "I get one call out a decade, 
> regular as clockwork"
> 
>> Ice found himself in outer space several light years from the solar 
>> system 
> ? Ice noticed that the earth made one revolution around the sun for 
> every 730.5 revolutions that the little hand made around Big Ben.
> 
> "Clearly i am going nowhere in this job" said Ice to himself.
> 
>> ...  Ice decided to pack up his telescope and go home. Ice imparted to 
>> himself a velocity of .9c towards the solar system along the line that 
>> is co-linear with the sun’s axis of rotation.  The solar system spun 
>> beneath him like a giant clock face as he made his way back home.
>>
>> After some time Ice took another look through his telescope and found 
>> that the diameters of the sun and the earth, and the distance between 
>> the sun and earth were the same as they had been before he began his 
>> .9c trip home.  Ice also found that the earth still made one 
>> revolution around the sun for every 730.5 revolutions that the little 
>> hand made around Big Ben.   Ice further found that after he corrected 
>> for the relativistic doppler shift, his own watch was running 2.294 
>> times faster than Big Ben. 
> 
> "I am aging 2.294 faster than my brother now" said Ice "Won't Fire be 
> surprised when i get home and show up as the older twin."
> 
>> None of this surprised Ice as he was quite versed in Relativity.
> 
> Fire however would of been amazed because he too was well versed in 
> Relativity, and he was convinced that he himself would be the older twin 
> when his brother got home.
> 
>> And the moral of the moral is that Relativity is a priori inconsistent


> Thanks a lot Pat. I do love a tale with a good moral eh!
> 
> keith stein
> 
> 
Epilogue

When Ice did eventually get back to Earth, first thing
he did was catch a plane to Heathrow to meet his brother Fire,
who he hadn't seen for twenty years (according to his reckoning).
The leading scientists of the day gathered in London to witness
the climax of the long controversy about the SR twins.

Fire, who had always been a bit of a clock watcher, was just
knocking off work for the day as Big Ben struck five o'clock.
He saw his brother approaching with a big crowd of scientists,
and journalists.  The two brothers rushed to greed each other.
They embraced.

The picture on the front pages of all the papers the next
day was of a little puddle of water at the foot of Big Ben.

                   [The Sad End eh!]

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#477457

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-18 17:10 -0800
Message-ID<250a64ac-e275-4551-ad6f-32de8e8a717f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#476844
On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:

> Once upon a time there was a German-Swiss girl...

Please check out my treatise below explained in chapter G how the twin paradox is a fatal contradiction to the theory of special relativity.

http://107.184.176.53/Aether01.pdf

Ahjohng

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#477459

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-18 17:52 -0800
Message-ID<aefc8190-a803-463b-84e5-5cfebc670ce6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477457
On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:10:29 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
> 
> > Once upon a time there was a German-Swiss girl...
> 
> Please check out my treatise below explained in chapter G how the twin paradox is a fatal contradiction to the theory of special relativity.
> 
> http://107.184.176.53/Aether01.pdf

Your claim is incorrect. It's not a contradiction in special relativity.

--
Jan

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#477556

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-19 18:56 -0800
Message-ID<7c78e06a-666e-4e9a-a221-73c7622e9625@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#477459
On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:52:40 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 5:10:29 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Please check out my treatise below explained in chapter G how the twin
> > paradox is a fatal contradiction to the theory of special relativity.
>
> > http://107.184.176.53/Aether01.pdf
>
> Your claim is incorrect. It's not a contradiction in special relativity.

It is proven definitely using simple mathematics in the treatise linked above that the twin paradox under the special theory of relativity is a fatal contradiction to reality.

Ahjohng

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