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| Started by | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| First post | 2018-11-03 08:45 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-11-21 17:15 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 187 — 19 participants |
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Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 08:45 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 16:41 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 12:54 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 13:03 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 21:40 +0100
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:55 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:16 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 14:53 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-03 15:33 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 08:43 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 18:17 +0100
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 10:21 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-05 16:03 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:43 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-06 05:14 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 13:52 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 06:13 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-06 06:15 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-06 16:20 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-06 17:40 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 04:29 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-07 06:48 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 22:15 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-08 13:26 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 14:59 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-11 07:39 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 07:56 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 21:19 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:15 -0500
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 05:13 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 23:37 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 05:43 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 06:26 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 06:31 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 14:55 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:41 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktoa@yswdoez.cb> - 2018-11-05 20:46 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 10:18 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 07:01 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 15:26 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 09:13 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 20:55 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 05:33 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 06:58 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 15:26 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-05 15:53 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 10:15 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 10:21 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-06 16:09 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-07 06:36 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 08:01 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 21:59 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-08 12:09 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 09:15 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 09:44 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktoa@yswdoez.cb> - 2018-11-03 19:13 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 05:46 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 06:30 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktea@yswdoiz.cp> - 2018-11-05 22:57 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-03 16:58 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 10:30 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 08:33 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 23:18 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 12:59 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:39 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-04 17:36 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 23:17 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 06:53 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 15:26 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-04 17:51 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 23:20 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-05 16:01 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 08:42 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-06 08:45 +0100
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 00:51 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-06 15:47 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-06 23:33 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-07 06:27 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-07 21:44 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-08 05:53 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@j2adosw.nv> - 2018-11-09 19:39 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-10 22:53 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Gaston Castaneda <uucp@jav4ow.nq> - 2018-11-13 20:35 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-08 11:57 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 15:08 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-09 00:06 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-11 07:43 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 07:59 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-11 08:06 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-11 14:20 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-11 14:26 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-11 15:56 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-09 00:37 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-09 00:08 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-10 22:05 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 15:04 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Gaston Castaneda <ucpp@java2osw.np> - 2018-11-10 23:30 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-11 05:01 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-10 23:34 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-05 08:26 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-05 17:30 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-05 17:42 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-03 17:02 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-04 08:36 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 18:15 +0100
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-03 11:18 -0700
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Buck Dehner <uktoa@yswdoez.cb> - 2018-11-03 18:59 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-05 11:29 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Ntowicz Usarczyk <iswso@wioioksi.io> - 2018-11-06 20:23 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:28 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-14 05:14 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 06:59 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 15:39 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-14 19:21 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-14 19:24 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-15 06:31 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-14 23:23 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 13:55 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 07:03 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-15 07:51 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 18:50 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 19:15 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-15 19:45 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 16:43 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-16 09:15 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-16 20:45 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-16 21:27 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-17 04:08 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:33 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 00:02 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-17 04:19 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 12:30 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-17 06:35 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 00:15 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-18 09:01 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-18 19:45 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-18 20:54 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 06:47 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:55 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:12 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-19 17:45 -0600
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Lochù Umská <lare@cpi2alwa.cc> - 2018-11-19 23:56 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-22 12:32 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 22:57 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-11-22 15:08 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 13:14 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:18 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 21:33 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:55 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 09:56 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 18:43 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 06:58 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:28 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 13:54 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-18 23:37 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:57 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-19 06:49 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 10:10 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 18:45 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 13:45 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-19 09:39 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-19 18:30 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-20 06:48 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 15:34 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-20 18:56 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 14:22 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-21 08:32 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 17:30 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-21 10:46 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-22 07:31 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-22 16:07 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-22 18:43 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-22 05:10 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-20 18:11 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-20 07:44 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-20 08:15 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-20 17:54 +0100
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-20 10:43 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-20 18:26 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-21 06:58 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 08:08 -0800
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-21 16:15 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-11-21 16:31 +0000
Re: Is a clock second a universal interval of time? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-21 17:15 +0000
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 08:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Is a clock second a universal interval of time? |
| Message-ID | <829c7e32-25dc-4a4c-9009-af427fd808ad@googlegroups.com> |
According to SR: A clock second is a universal interval of time. In other words the passage of a clock second in the primed clock is equal to the passage of a clock second in the unprimed clock. According to the LT and SR math a clock seconds is not a universal interval of time. Delta(t’)=gamma*delta(t) This means that the passage of a clock second on the primed clock is not equal to the passage of a clock second on the unprimed clock. This means that the SR math disagrees with the SR definition FOR THE MEANING of a clock second. PLEASE EXPLAIN!!!
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 16:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prkj3m$vru$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #476145 |
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > According to SR: > A clock second is a universal interval of time. In other words the > passage of a clock second in the primed clock is equal to the passage of > a clock second in the unprimed clock. SR doesn’t say that. > > According to the LT and SR math a clock seconds is not a universal interval of time. > Delta(t’)=gamma*delta(t) > This means that the passage of a clock second on the primed clock is not > equal to the passage of a clock second on the unprimed clock. > > This means that the SR math disagrees with the SR definition FOR THE > MEANING of a clock second. > > PLEASE EXPLAIN!!! > Try reading what SR says rather than just making things up. -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 12:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <09830d2a-f487-4f7f-98f8-c2e10e677c5a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476146 |
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > > According to SR: > > A clock second is a universal interval of time. In other words the > > passage of a clock second in the primed clock is equal to the passage of > > a clock second in the unprimed clock. > > SR doesn’t say that. Idiot, fi SR doesn’t say that, then the concept of time dilation is faulty. > > > > > According to the LT and SR math a clock seconds is not a universal interval of time. > > Delta(t’)=gamma*delta(t) > > This means that the passage of a clock second on the primed clock is not > > equal to the passage of a clock second on the unprimed clock. > > > > This means that the SR math disagrees with the SR definition FOR THE > > MEANING of a clock second. > > > > PLEASE EXPLAIN!!! > > > > Try reading what SR says rather than just making things up. If did read what SR says.....I suggest that you read what SR says.
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 13:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a8b48897-f6f9-4a82-b006-15f7d40777a1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476161 |
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:54:52 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > Try reading what SR says rather than just making things up. > > If did read what SR says..... Then, can you quote a passage where SR uses the expression "universal interval of time" ? See, YOU made that up because you cat support your claims.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 21:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <b079ebc3-3062-3721-9e0f-0dc2ab5f5526@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #476161 |
kenseto wrote: > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>> According to SR: >>> A clock second is a universal interval of time. In other words the >>> passage of a clock second in the primed clock is equal to the passage of >>> a clock second in the unprimed clock. >> SR doesn’t say that. > > Idiot, fi SR doesn’t say that, then the concept of time dilation is faulty. Your reasoning is what is faulty here instead. First you claim that "SR" says something that it does not say (at least you do not provide any evidence), and then you say that if it does not say what you claim it says, then it is faulty. By the same "logic", I can claim that you say that there are pink unicorns grazing on the Moon (which in some sense you do; but I digress), and when you say that you do not say that, then I call you an idiot and say that *because* you did not say that your concept of pink unicorns on the Moon is faulty. Can you see the problem with such an argument? >> Try reading what SR says rather than just making things up. > > If did read what SR says.....I suggest that you read what SR says. That is not even proper English. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 20:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prl1v8$1oc3$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #476167 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote: > kenseto wrote: >> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>> According to SR: >>>> A clock second is a universal interval of time. In other words the >>>> passage of a clock second in the primed clock is equal to the passage of >>>> a clock second in the unprimed clock. >>> SR doesn’t say that. >> >> Idiot, fi SR doesn’t say that, then the concept of time dilation is faulty. > > Your reasoning is what is faulty here instead. > > First you claim that "SR" says something that it does not say (at least you > do not provide any evidence), and then you say that if it does not say what > you claim it says, then it is faulty. > > By the same "logic", I can claim that you say that there are pink unicorns > grazing on the Moon (which in some sense you do; but I digress), and when > you say that you do not say that, then I call you an idiot and say that > *because* you did not say that your concept of pink unicorns on the Moon > is faulty. > > Can you see the problem with such an argument? No, he really can’t. That’s his strawman agenda. He first claims that SR says something it doesn’t, because if it doesn’t say that, then it’s wrong. But if it DID say that, he would say this makes SR wrong. This is all fueled by an inner hunger to look important to his children instead of a useless old man. So he maintains that he should be able to understand relativity if it’s true. And since he can’t, then there must be something wrong with it. > >>> Try reading what SR says rather than just making things up. >> >> If did read what SR says.....I suggest that you read what SR says. > > That is not even proper English. > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 14:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <44a5704e-a36b-4548-a588-4ec99b621067@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476167 |
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > kenseto wrote: > ... there are pink unicorns > grazing on the Moon Idiot ken, how can you make such a claim??
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 14:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f7885e9b-a9b2-4ed8-916e-49f44d1495b9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476174 |
On Saturday, 3 November 2018 22:16:15 UTC+1, rotchm wrote: > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > > kenseto wrote: > > > ... there are pink unicorns > > grazing on the Moon > > Idiot ken, how can you make such a claim?? At least it isn't inconsistent with elementary definitions, like the mumble of your idiot guru.
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-03 15:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c8b304ca-4c2b-466c-b3bf-983f3f4a6ac9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476176 |
Morans ....... Temperature (Twin A) = x Kelvin (Accelerated Twin B) = x*(Relativistic Mass or TimeDilation) Kelvin T = T’
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-04 08:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b35b4b28-6ea7-4683-ae72-73a7c1a92761@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476167 |
On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > kenseto wrote: > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > >>> According to SR: > >>> A clock second is a universal interval of time. In other words the > >>> passage of a clock second in the primed clock is equal to the passage of > >>> a clock second in the unprimed clock. > >> SR doesn’t say that. > > > > Idiot, fi SR doesn’t say that, then the concept of time dilation is faulty. > > Your reasoning is what is faulty here instead. > > First you claim that "SR" says something that it does not say (at least you > do not provide any evidence), and then you say that if it does not say what > you claim it says, then it is faulty. I said that SR (relativity) claims that: a clock second (9,192,631,770 periods of Cs 133 radiation) is the same for everyone......so that means that a clock second is a universal interval of time. Can you explain why this is a faulty statement? > > By the same "logic", I can claim that you say that there are pink unicorns > grazing on the Moon (which in some sense you do; but I digress), and when > you say that you do not say that, then I call you an idiot and say that > *because* you did not say that your concept of pink unicorns on the Moon > is faulty. > > Can you see the problem with such an argument? > > >> Try reading what SR says rather than just making things up. > > > > If did read what SR says.....I suggest that you read what SR says. > > That is not even proper English. > > -- > PointedEars > > Twitter: @PointedEars2 > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-11-04 18:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <a4e4c855-22ef-1b6b-355f-0f1847dbd58b@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #476221 |
kenseto wrote: > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' > Lahn wrote: >> kenseto wrote: >>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin >>> wrote: >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: >>>>> According to SR: A clock second is a universal interval of time. >>>>> In other words the passage of a clock second in the primed clock >>>>> is equal to the passage of a clock second in the unprimed clock. >>>> SR doesn’t say that. >>> Idiot, fi SR doesn’t say that, then the concept of time dilation is >>> faulty. >> Your reasoning is what is faulty here instead. >> >> First you claim that "SR" says something that it does not say (at least >> you do not provide any evidence), and then you say that if it does not >> say what you claim it says, then it is faulty. > > I said that SR (relativity) claims that: a clock second (9,192,631,770 > periods of Cs 133 radiation) is the same for everyone...... Which it does NOT do. End of story. > [further misconceptions] -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-05 10:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <acba341a-b6e3-486c-82ce-21a5db39bc87@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476224 |
On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > kenseto wrote: > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' > > Lahn wrote: > >> kenseto wrote: > >>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:41:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin > >>> wrote: > >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > >>>>> According to SR: A clock second is a universal interval of time. > >>>>> In other words the passage of a clock second in the primed clock > >>>>> is equal to the passage of a clock second in the unprimed clock. > >>>> SR doesn’t say that. > >>> Idiot, fi SR doesn’t say that, then the concept of time dilation is > >>> faulty. > >> Your reasoning is what is faulty here instead. > >> > >> First you claim that "SR" says something that it does not say (at least > >> you do not provide any evidence), and then you say that if it does not > >> say what you claim it says, then it is faulty. > > > > I said that SR (relativity) claims that: a clock second (9,192,631,770 > > periods of Cs 133 radiation) is the same for everyone...... > > Which it does NOT do. End of story. So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same definition for his local proper second?
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2018-11-05 16:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2be83921-a6c8-45aa-b407-311f15b72df1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476335 |
El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2018, 15:21:30 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same definition for his local proper second? Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. Each observer can also use a set of helpers (each one with clocks and rulers). Each helper can use their clocks and rulers to measure elapsed periods of time of events and distances. Every observer (and helpers) know that a second is what their local clocks measure. If they are using Cesium atomic clocks, one second is 9,192,631,770 times the period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. If you use a Rubidium atomic clock, the frequency for one second is 6,834,682,610.904324 Hz. The period between two events is measured in a certain number of seconds (as indicated by the given local clock used in the measuring). This, obviously, has nothing to do with the time coordinate used (t or t').
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 00:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b0f01844-95da-494c-b4f3-2f12f2e17ab4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476360 |
On Tuesday, 6 November 2018 01:04:00 UTC+1, Paparios wrote: > Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure > elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. And how long these rulers are, poor halfbrain?
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 05:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bd059047-fe23-4a12-a006-10215ade9c36@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476360 |
On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:04:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2018, 15:21:30 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > > > > So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same definition for his local proper second? > > Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure > elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. OK, does his set of clocks located next to him? Or are they at a long distance? > Each observer can also use a set of helpers (each one with clocks and rulers). > Each helper can use their clocks and rulers to measure elapsed periods of time > of events and distances. ROTFLOL....helppers indeed! No such helpers ever....do you mean the LT predicts? > Eve ry observer (and helpers) know that a second is what their local clocks > measure. If they are using Cesium atomic clocks, one second is 9,192,631,770 > times the period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the > two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. OK, since every SR observer defines his clock second to have 9,192,631,770 periods of Cs 133 radiation, doesn’t this mean that a clock second is a universal interval of time???? >If you use a > Rubidium atomic clock, the frequency for one second is 6,834,682,610.904324 Hz. > > The period between two events is measured in a certain number of seconds (as > indicated by the given local clock used in the measuring). > > This, obviously, has nothing to do with the time coordinate used (t or t').
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 13:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prs6af$11tg$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #476406 |
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote: > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:04:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: >> El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2018, 15:21:30 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: >> >>> >>> So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same >>> definition for his local proper second? >> >> Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure >> elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. > > OK, does his set of clocks located next to him? Or are they at a long distance? > > >> Each observer can also use a set of helpers (each one with clocks and rulers). >> Each helper can use their clocks and rulers to measure elapsed periods of time >> of events and distances. > > ROTFLOL....helppers indeed! > No such helpers ever....do you mean the LT predicts? > >> Eve ry observer (and helpers) know that a second is what their local clocks >> measure. If they are using Cesium atomic clocks, one second is 9,192,631,770 >> times the period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the >> two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. > > OK, since every SR observer defines his clock second to have > 9,192,631,770 periods of Cs 133 radiation, doesn’t this mean that a clock > second is a universal interval of time???? No. That’s not what it means. The key distinction is between local and universal. > >> If you use a >> Rubidium atomic clock, the frequency for one second is 6,834,682,610.904324 Hz. >> >> The period between two events is measured in a certain number of seconds (as >> indicated by the given local clock used in the measuring). > >> >> This, obviously, has nothing to do with the time coordinate used (t or t'). > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 06:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ec7fc389-c331-460e-b400-5cb0dadb183e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476406 |
On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:14:32 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote: > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:04:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > OK, does his set of clocks located next to him? Or are they at a > long distance? This is clearly explained in books. Havent you ever read a book on SR? > ROTFLOL....helppers indeed! No such helpers ever.... Yes there are helpers. It seems that you do not know what the word 'helpers' mean. Havent you ever read a book on SR? And practically, we *always* use helpers. Everytime we make a measurements, de device used (the display of the value) is a helper. >do you mean the LT predicts? No, he meant helpers. > doesn’t this > mean that a clock second is a universal interval of time???? No, nowhere in x' = (x-vt)g t' = (t-xv.c²)g do you see the words " universal interval of time". YOU just made that expression up and is not part of SR. If you want to discuss SR, use what SR says, not what you want it to say. >
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 06:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <86a29684-4b86-49af-9001-56b4764f3dc9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476406 |
El martes, 6 de noviembre de 2018, 10:14:32 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:04:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > > El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2018, 15:21:30 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > > > > > > > So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same definition for his local proper second? > > > > Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure > > elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. > > OK, does his set of clocks located next to him? Or are they at a long distance? > The clocks and rulers are at the same location of the observer. They are all local. > > > Each observer can also use a set of helpers (each one with clocks and rulers). > > Each helper can use their clocks and rulers to measure elapsed periods of time > > of events and distances. > > ROTFLOL....helppers indeed! > No such helpers ever....do you mean the LT predicts? > If I am the observer, located at x=0, I can locate some helpers (a, b, c, etc), located at x=100,200,300, etc. meters (kilometers). In that case, all the helpers clocks have to be Einstein synchronized (see the 1905 paper). They also use the rulers to precisely determine the values for x. All this is standard laboratory settings. > > Eve ry observer (and helpers) know that a second is what their local clocks > > measure. If they are using Cesium atomic clocks, one second is 9,192,631,770 > > times the period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the > > two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. > > OK, since every SR observer defines his clock second to have 9,192,631,770 periods of Cs 133 radiation, doesn’t this mean that a clock second is a universal interval of time???? > They do not define a second. They all use standard atomic clocks to MEASURE the time of events. > >If you use a > > Rubidium atomic clock, the frequency for one second is 6,834,682,610.904324 Hz. > > > > The period between two events is measured in a certain number of seconds (as > > indicated by the given local clock used in the measuring). > > > > > This, obviously, has nothing to do with the time coordinate used (t or t').
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <prsf11$6j3$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #476406 |
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:04:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: >> El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2018, 15:21:30 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: >> > So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same >> > definition for his local proper second? >> Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure >> elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. >OK, does his set of clocks located next to him? Or are they at a long distance? Part of the definition of proper time is the clock is local, so the clocks are next to the events whose time is being measured. >> Each observer can also use a set of helpers (each one with clocks and rulers). >> Each helper can use their clocks and rulers to measure elapsed periods of time >> of events and distances. >ROTFLOL....helppers indeed! Added to make sure what is being measured is local. Local to the helpers since the main observer cannot be in multiple places. >No such helpers ever.... You don't get to say that. >do you mean the LT predicts? No, he doesn't. >> Eve ry observer (and helpers) know that a second is what their local clocks >> measure. If they are using Cesium atomic clocks, one second is 9,192,631,770 >> times the period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the >> two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. >OK, since every SR observer defines his clock second to have 9,192,631,770 >periods of Cs 133 radiation, doesn't this mean that a clock second >is a universal interval of time???? No, since 'universal' conflicts with 'local', part of the proper time definition. >>If you use a >> Rubidium atomic clock, the frequency for one second is 6,834,682,610.904324 Hz. >> The period between two events is measured in a certain number of seconds (as >> indicated by the given local clock used in the measuring). >> This, obviously, has nothing to do with the time coordinate used (t or t').
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-11-06 17:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7a9ccea9-8006-47d4-b357-83d98ebf8256@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #476424 |
On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 11:20:51 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: > > >On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 7:04:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > >> El lunes, 5 de noviembre de 2018, 15:21:30 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > >> > So are you saying that every SR observer does not use the same > >> > definition for his local proper second? > > >> Each Observer in SR has a set of clocks and rulers. Clocks are used to measure > >> elapsed periods of time of events. Rulers are used to measure distances. > > >OK, does his set of clocks located next to him? Or are they at a long distance? > > Part of the definition of proper time is the clock is local, so the clocks > are next to the events whose time is being measured. > > >> Each observer can also use a set of helpers (each one with clocks and rulers). > >> Each helper can use their clocks and rulers to measure elapsed periods of time > >> of events and distances. > > >ROTFLOL....helppers indeed! > > Added to make sure what is being measured is local. Local to the helpers > since the main observer cannot be in multiple places. Can you name one actual helper in an experiment done to date? What if the clock is at the moon? Do you send a helper to the moon to make the local measurement? > > >No such helpers ever.... > > You don’t get to say that. Yes I do get to say that. > >do you mean the LT predicts? > > No, he doesn't. > > >> Eve ry observer (and helpers) know that a second is what their local clocks > >> measure. If they are using Cesium atomic clocks, one second is 9,192,631,770 > >> times the period of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the > >> two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom. > > >OK, since every SR observer defines his clock second to have 9,192,631,770 > >periods of Cs 133 radiation, doesn't this mean that a clock second > >is a universal interval of time???? > > No, since 'universal' conflicts with 'local', part of the proper time > definition. Since a clock second is defined as 9,192,631,770 periods of Cs 133 radiation in all frames of reference, then by definition a clock second is a universal interval of time. > > >>If you use a > >> Rubidium atomic clock, the frequency for one second is 6,834,682,610.904324 Hz. > > >> The period between two events is measured in a certain number of seconds (as > >> indicated by the given local clock used in the measuring). > > >> This, obviously, has nothing to do with the time coordinate used (t or t').
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