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| Started by | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| First post | 2018-10-03 13:38 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-10-07 08:22 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 237 — 19 participants |
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How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 13:38 -0700
How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:19 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 21:40 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 08:26 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:24 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 13:36 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 21:33 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:00 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:44 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:52 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:09 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 08:30 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-05 18:52 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-05 17:32 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 13:18 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-06 10:38 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-05 02:02 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:08 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-05 16:47 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:59 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:30 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 08:43 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 16:58 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 13:02 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 21:42 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 08:02 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 04:55 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:40 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-05 18:29 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 07:48 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 00:46 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:15 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 16:26 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 19:10 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-04 17:35 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-10-04 18:46 -0700
How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:41 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 18:17 -0400
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 21:57 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-04 07:06 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-04 07:08 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 22:57 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 09:01 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:28 +0000
Re:How atomic clocks measure time Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-04 00:26 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 05:23 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 09:15 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 09:45 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-04 10:23 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 13:23 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-04 08:50 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 08:57 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-04 19:54 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 21:51 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-05 01:26 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-08 13:49 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-08 05:08 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 13:15 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-09 09:22 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-09 03:36 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-09 06:56 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-09 16:42 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 12:48 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-10 09:32 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 09:37 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tc> - 2018-10-10 19:11 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-11 14:03 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 10:07 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-11 21:30 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:08 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:55 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-12 15:36 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 21:45 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-13 11:34 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 09:44 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-05 18:40 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-04 13:53 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 01:06 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:29 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 07:44 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 16:35 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 10:01 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 17:13 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 13:17 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 22:06 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-05 19:38 -0400
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-05 17:50 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-05 18:06 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-05 18:24 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-06 11:02 -0500
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-06 09:34 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-06 18:43 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-06 10:08 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-06 16:18 -0500
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-06 15:10 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-07 00:47 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-06 16:02 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-07 00:31 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-06 22:38 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-07 00:54 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-06 23:09 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-06 15:55 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-06 10:37 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 09:53 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-06 16:30 -0500
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-07 09:06 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 16:35 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-07 10:26 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 20:32 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-07 13:52 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 21:31 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 22:13 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 05:22 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 13:21 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 06:32 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 13:40 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 06:45 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 07:27 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 17:21 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 13:19 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 21:29 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-09 07:12 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-09 07:30 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 09:03 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-09 18:22 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-09 13:56 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-09 22:15 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-10 07:39 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-10 08:32 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-10 09:04 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-10 09:47 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-10 10:49 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-10 13:29 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-10 21:19 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-11 07:26 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-11 15:11 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-11 09:10 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-11 09:16 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-11 09:59 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-11 13:50 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-11 14:01 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 07:42 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-11 21:47 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 08:06 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-12 18:45 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-12 12:09 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 13:20 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-12 21:25 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-13 03:03 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-13 09:25 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:29 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:10 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-11 15:49 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-11 17:27 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-11 17:43 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 08:30 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-12 09:41 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-12 18:50 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 13:30 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 08:24 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-12 10:13 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 08:38 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-12 18:59 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-12 13:42 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-10-13 11:10 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-11 19:51 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-11 13:52 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-11 13:56 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-11 02:33 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-10 21:22 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-11 07:42 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-10 12:19 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-10 08:57 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-07 14:55 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 07:35 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 08:04 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 17:24 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 10:43 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 13:24 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 21:36 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-08 11:59 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 12:02 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 14:02 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 14:30 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-09 02:45 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 23:41 -0400
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 22:56 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 08:24 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 05:09 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-07 09:34 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 20:17 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 08:28 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 09:18 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 10:55 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 13:56 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-08 19:46 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 11:01 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-08 20:26 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tc> - 2018-10-08 18:02 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-08 20:29 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-08 11:44 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-05 17:01 -0400
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 14:26 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-10-06 01:03 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 18:15 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-06 07:42 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 08:47 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-06 09:45 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 10:35 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-06 17:56 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 12:50 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-06 13:16 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 05:17 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 12:32 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-06 19:43 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 08:48 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-08 19:56 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-05 09:02 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 08:10 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 09:01 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 09:56 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 17:31 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 13:37 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-08 21:48 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-09 07:32 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 10:52 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-08 13:54 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 09:30 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 21:57 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 05:24 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 13:25 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-06 13:47 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 21:57 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-06 15:06 -0700
Re: How atomic clocks measure time moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-07 05:27 +0000
Re: How atomic clocks measure time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-07 14:51 +0200
Re: How atomic clocks measure time mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-07 08:22 -0700
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 16:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp83td$6eh$5@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #474179 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >What CAUSES the atomic clock to speed up and have shorter seconds when it is >> >raised to a higher altitude? >> It doesn't. Anyone with the atomic clock will tell you it's keeping >> perfect time. >Yes, "it's keeping perfect time" FOR ITS ALTITUDE. But anyone with an >atomic clock will tell you the clock ticks FASTER at higher altitudes. I already said those with their atomic clock will see it keep perfect time. There is no way to detect using the clock that they are at a high or low altitude. Those at a different altitude will see their clocks keep perfect time as well. All ideal clocks keep perfect time locally. [snip misinterpreted relativity quotes] >ALL time dilation experiments involving atomic clocks show the same thing. Only when clocks in different non-local frames are compared, when SR/GR predicts the two take different length paths through spacetime, thus experiencing different lengths of time.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 10:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <141cf176-d101-4a05-b8d7-10406815ef4f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474198 |
On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:35:59 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >> >What CAUSES the atomic clock to speed up and have shorter seconds when it is > >> >raised to a higher altitude? > > >> It doesn't. Anyone with the atomic clock will tell you it's keeping > >> perfect time. > > >Yes, "it's keeping perfect time" FOR ITS ALTITUDE. But anyone with an > >atomic clock will tell you the clock ticks FASTER at higher altitudes. > > I already said those with their atomic clock will see it keep perfect > time. There is no way to detect using the clock that they are at a > high or low altitude. > > Those at a different altitude will see their clocks keep perfect time > as well. All ideal clocks keep perfect time locally. > > [snip misinterpreted relativity quotes] You are wasting my time. You are saying the same thing I'm saying, but just phrasing it differently to justify your beliefs. Ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 17:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp863p$3sv$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #474201 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> Those at a different altitude will see their clocks keep perfect time >> as well. All ideal clocks keep perfect time locally. >> >> [snip misinterpreted relativity quotes] >You are wasting my time. You are saying the same thing I'm saying, but just >phrasing it differently to justify your beliefs. No, you are claiming that something happens in the clock when it changes altitude. It doesn't; it keeps perfect time without adjustment. Because of the changing path through spacetime, comparisons with clocks at rest in other frames will change.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 13:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <17a02488-be5a-4240-8558-a541d1472053@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474204 |
On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 12:13:32 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >> Those at a different altitude will see their clocks keep perfect time > >> as well. All ideal clocks keep perfect time locally. > >> > >> [snip misinterpreted relativity quotes] > > >You are wasting my time. You are saying the same thing I'm saying, but just > >phrasing it differently to justify your beliefs. > > No, you are claiming that something happens in the clock when it changes > altitude. It doesn't; it keeps perfect time without adjustment. Because > of the changing path through spacetime, comparisons with clocks at rest > in other frames will change. Nonsense. Atomic clocks are SELF ADJUSTING. They ADJUST to different altitudes and velocities. I've been trying to get people here to discuss how atomic clocks SELF-ADJUST, but everyone is avoiding discussing it - probably because the FACTS contradict their beliefs. I also posted what the NIST has to say about it, but they ignored that, too, and claim that no one supports what I say. The NIST does: "Scientists have known for decades that time passes faster at higher elevations — a curious aspect of Einstein's theories of relativity that previously has been measured by comparing clocks on the Earth's surface and a high-flying rocket. "Now, physicists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) have measured this effect at a more down-to-earth scale of 33 centimeters, or about 1 foot, demonstrating, for instance, that you age faster when you stand a couple of steps higher on a staircase." "In one set of experiments, scientists raised one of the clocks by jacking up the laser table to a height one-third of a meter (about a foot) above the second clock. Sure enough, the higher clock ran at a slightly faster rate than the lower clock, exactly as predicted." Source: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale Ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 22:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pp8n9d$1bg$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #474218 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 12:13:32 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >You are wasting my time. You are saying the same thing I'm saying, but just >> >phrasing it differently to justify your beliefs. >> No, you are claiming that something happens in the clock when it changes >> altitude. It doesn't; it keeps perfect time without adjustment. Because >> of the changing path through spacetime, comparisons with clocks at rest >> in other frames will change. >Nonsense. Atomic clocks are SELF ADJUSTING. They ADJUST to different >altitudes and velocities. I've been trying to get people here to discuss >how atomic clocks SELF-ADJUST, but everyone is avoiding discussing it - >probably because the FACTS contradict their beliefs. If "something" changes requiring the clock to adjust, then the First Postulate is null and void, because of the change. If there was a change requiring adjustment, then the laws of physics aren't the same. And how does the clock know what to adjust TO? Regardless, the description of the clock operation is simply that of a phase locked loop, VERY common engineering design for an oscillator to track a frequency. The effect is "adjustment" to KEEP it from adjusting, keeping the frequency locked. I'm an EE so I know about phase locked loops. The "adjustment" (over a VERY narrow range in this case) is to keep the oscillator oscillating at the same frequency as the Cs atoms' transition frequency. >I also posted what the NIST has to say about it, but they ignored that, too, >and claim that no one supports what I say. The NIST does: <snip quotes about known GR gravitational effect> Yes, we know, GR predicts that more time is experienced in lower gravitational potentials than higher, science knew about this since Einstein's first GR work in 1915.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 19:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <zr6dncOQ8N5raCrGnZ2dnUU7_8xh4p2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #474225 |
On 10/5/18 6:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Yes, we know, GR predicts that more time is experienced in lower > gravitational potentials than higher, science knew about this since > Einstein's first GR work in 1915. Yes. And this happens WITHOUT a clock ever changing its tick rate; it's just geometry. Tom Roberts
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 17:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0064e4c7-ea36-4990-97a7-8a9182b39747@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474227 |
tjrob137 On 10/5/18 6:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Yes, we know, GR predicts that more time is experienced in lower > gravitational potentials than higher, science knew about this since > Einstein's first GR work in 1915. Yes. And this happens WITHOUT a clock ever changing its tick rate; it's just geometry. Tom Roberts What you are neglecting to explain to Tards like Eduardo Del Lago is the Clock always ticks the same when considering the Relativistic Skewing (G & V) Of the Space Time the clock is currently in.
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 18:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <45eb3dc0-3528-4812-a830-316b43f5aebb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474231 |
tjrob137 escrito On 10/5/18 6:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Yes, we know, GR predicts that more time is experienced in lower > gravitational potentials than higher, science knew about this since > Einstein's first GR work in 1915. Yes. And this happens WITHOUT a clock ever changing its tick rate; it's just geometry. Tom Roberts What you are neglecting to explain to Tards like Eduardo Del Lago is the Clock always ticks the same when considering the Relativistic Skewing (G & V) Of the Space Time the clock is currently in. This is why Koobee Wublee’s dirivation is correct
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-05 18:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9739603f-28fb-4de5-aeea-3999905105ce@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474233 |
tjrob137 escrito - hide quoted text - On 10/5/18 6:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Yes, we know, GR predicts that more time is experienced in lower > gravitational potentials than higher, science knew about this since > Einstein's first GR work in 1915. Yes. And this happens WITHOUT a clock ever changing its tick rate; it's just geometry. Tom Roberts What you are neglecting to explain to Tards like Eduardo Del Lago is the Clock always ticks the same when considering the Relativistic Skewing (G & V) Of the Space Time the clock is currently in. This is why Koobee Wublee’s dirivation is correct And ..... Lorentz Transformation is the Aether medium Like This...... https://photos.app.goo.gl/DygzYXNjjT5NCEc18
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 11:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qeKdnZjl7-8NQSXGnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #474236 |
On 10/5/18 8:24 PM, David (Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote: > tjrob137 escrito On 10/5/18 6:06 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Yes, we know, GR predicts that more time is experienced in lower >> gravitational potentials than higher, science knew about this >> since Einstein's first GR work in 1915. > > Yes. And this happens WITHOUT a clock ever changing its tick rate; > it's just geometry. > > What you are neglecting to explain to Tards like Eduardo Del Lago is > the Clock always ticks the same when considering the Relativistic > Skewing (G & V) Of the Space Time the clock is currently in. You haven't been paying attention. I have been saying that DOZENS AND DOZENS of times around here. Well, I don't know what you mean by "Relativistic Skewing (G & V) Of the Space Time". But no matter, as clocks ALWAYS tick at the same rate, independent of where they might be located in a gravitational field, or how they might be moving. That isn't "skewing" of spacetime, but gravity CURVES spacetime, and (relative) motion (of small objects such as clocks and airplanes) does not affect it. > This is why Koobee Wublee’s dirivation is correct Nope. KW has no "dirivation", just misconceptions and nonsense. You and he share a morbid affinity for nonsense, which is why I rarely respond to either of you. > Lorentz Transformation is the Aether medium Nope. Not at all! Tom Roberts
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 09:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <13c5bf85-9675-4b9a-bc6e-4b323dde8b23@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474272 |
On Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:02:31 UTC+2, tjrob137 wrote: > You haven't been paying attention. I have been saying that DOZENS AND > DOZENS of times around here. An idiocy repeated DOZENS AND DOZENS of Times is still an idiocy, poor idiot.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 18:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <e0a76b07-4383-ba01-790f-622ead6d6914@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #474272 |
Tom Roberts wrote: > […] gravity CURVES spacetime, […] Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime curvature are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT the case according to general relativity (GR). Instead, our 3-d *observation* of gravity is merely the *result* of spacetime curvature: objects on which no force is acting are moving along spacetime geodesics as always, but those are then curved. Saying that “mass curves spacetime” à la MTW is better, but still conveys the wrong idea. IMHO, the better wording is: „The energy–momentum density in spacetime is *equivalent* to the curvature of spacetime.“ Then, with the (well-known, but often misunderstood) realization that rest energy is equivalent to mass (E₀ = m c²), so energy density is equivalent to mass density (for fluids: dE₀∕dV = dm∕dV c² = ρ c² = T₀₀, with T_µν the energy–momentum tensor), understanding why orbits, in Newtonian mechanics (NM) attributed to a force called “gravity”, are curves according to GR too, *without* an actual force, follows quite naturally. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 10:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4939e303-f924-452f-9b00-45ff2f1bec62@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474275 |
On Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:43:26 UTC+2, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime curvature > are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT the case > according to general relativity (GR). > > Instead, our 3-d *observation* of gravity is merely the *result* of > spacetime curvature: objects on which no force is acting are moving along > spacetime geodesics as always, but those are then curved. Obviously you imagine that this moronic mumble is placing you on the Higher Level of Understanding the Essence, high above mortal worms. You're wrong. It's just an ordinary moronic mumble.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 16:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <m82dnaNenekWuyTGnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #474275 |
On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Tom Roberts wrote: >> […] gravity CURVES spacetime, […] > > Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime curvature > are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT the case > according to general relativity (GR). Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime. Tom Roberts
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 15:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9799a8da-d42a-4624-80f5-ef48d4cd4b69@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474311 |
tjrob137 escrito On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Tom Roberts wrote: >> […] gravity CURVES spacetime, […] > > Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime curvature > are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT the case > according to general relativity (GR). Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime. (Skew) = (Curvature) Tom Roberts
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-07 00:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <435003a5-9934-8a3f-8c9f-53caf367c240@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #474318 |
David (Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> tjrob137 escrito
> On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime.
>
> (Skew) = (Curvature)
No.
skew = 0 skew = α ≠ 0
: /
: /
: :α/
: :/
curvature = 0 curvature = 1/r ≠ 0 (for a circular path)
: . ' '
: , \
: . \ r
: : \
> Tom Roberts
Learn to quote.
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 16:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f7d8ec2b-b527-4589-9d2d-3a3975f3207c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #474322 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn escrito
David (Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> tjrob137 escrito
> On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime.
>
> (Skew) = (Curvature)
No.
skew = 0 skew = α ≠ 0
: /
: /
: :α/
: :/
curvature = 0 curvature = 1/r ≠ 0 (for a circular path)
: . ' '
: , \
: . \ r
: : \
Nit picking....
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jwch_hbkHmrquE0IXwgNY4B35obcDdKXykH5HBn2XVzlWmHPvnnFE3B9iY7Qcq7dVbz2TEvTGbu_BVwntGmpKjuJfO-lJkDyIGK294FQyhByBd_1kQlSjeLrRiuRV3Gvb_SfsUTo0VapU8HUzUAp2FimTdbyBw
> Tom Roberts
Learn to quote.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-07 00:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <511949e2-ed6c-895b-2476-fa7b4ec90911@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #474311 |
Tom Roberts wrote: > On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Tom Roberts wrote: >>> […] gravity CURVES spacetime, […] >> Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime curvature >> are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT the case >> according to general relativity (GR). > > Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime. I would still maintain, as I wrote in the part not quoted, that gravity is just an observable *effect* of the curvature. In terms of equivalence, which could be worded as what the curvature "is", it "is" energy–momentum density. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> |
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| Date | 2018-10-06 22:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ppbdgr$1or6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #474320 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Tom Roberts wrote: >> On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> Tom Roberts wrote: >>>> […] gravity CURVES spacetime, […] >>> Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime >>> curvature are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT >>> the case according to general relativity (GR). >> >> Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime. > > I would still maintain, as I wrote in the part not quoted, that gravity > is just an observable *effect* of the curvature. In terms of > equivalence, which could be worded as what the curvature "is", it "is" > energy–momentum density. The stupidest equivalence I ever see. It's about the curvature of spacetime, as it been said. And you don't have to be there to measure that point density. Or you don't know what you just said. One way or another, why don't you better just get lost to annoy some other places.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-10-07 00:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7d6421cd-af62-339b-0521-0702c58ff7ff@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #474321 |
The ’nym-shifting troll trolled as "Paul Gish" <uop@uwrwuao.tt>
(fake domain):
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> On 10/6/18 11:43 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>>> […] gravity CURVES spacetime, […]
>>>> Please stop saying that. It implies that gravity and spacetime
>>>> curvature are separate things, one influencing the other, which is NOT
>>>> the case according to general relativity (GR).
>>>
>>> Yeah. Gravity _IS_ curvature of spacetime.
>>
>> I would still maintain, as I wrote in the part not quoted, that gravity
>> is just an observable *effect* of the curvature. In terms of
>> equivalence, which could be worded as what the curvature "is", it "is"
>> energy–momentum density.
>
> The stupidest equivalence I ever see. It's about the curvature of
> spacetime, as it been said.
Shut up as you have no clue what you are talking about. You only embarrass
yourself further.
The Einstein Field Equations (EFE) are:
G ≡ R_µν − ½ R g_µν + Λ g_µν = 8π G/c⁴ T_µν
which means
curvature = energy–momentum density
In particular, for a perfect fluid, T_00 = dE₀∕dV = dm∕dV c² = ρ c².
> And you don't have to be there to measure that point density.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*facepalm*
> Or you don't know what you just said. One way or another,
> why don't you better just get lost to annoy some other places.
*PLONK*
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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