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Why the *Medium* Matters.

Started byKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
First post2018-10-02 09:47 +0100
Last post2018-10-16 19:13 +0100
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  Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:47 +0100
    Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 04:20 -0700
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:21 +0100
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 06:02 -0700
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:12 +0100
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 12:39 +0000
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:08 +0100
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-07 08:40 -0500
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 07:22 -0700
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-07 14:42 +0000
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 17:41 -0700
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:19 +0000
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 06:56 -0700
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:00 +0000
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:12 -0700
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 07:14 -0700
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 07:12 -0700
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:15 +0000
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-02 08:49 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 13:31 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 06:06 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 06:09 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:05 +0000
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 07:14 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 15:38 +0000
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 16:43 +0000
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 08:51 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 16:06 +0000
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:17 -0700
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 07:24 -0700
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 15:25 +0000
                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 08:53 -0700
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 19:22 +0000
                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 14:38 -0700
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 21:47 +0000
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 22:03 +0000
                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 08:30 +0100
                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-05 04:26 -0700
                                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 15:01 +0000
                                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-06 08:11 -0700
                                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-06 08:32 -0700
                                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 20:20 +0000
                                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 07:19 -0700
                                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 19:19 +0000
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 01:00 +0000
                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 21:40 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 16:45 +0000
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:10 +0100
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:15 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 09:18 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 06:41 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 19:06 +0100
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 07:52 -0700
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-02 20:28 +0000
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-10-03 03:32 +0200
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 05:18 +0100
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 05:06 +0000
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 10:51 +0100
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 09:58 +0000
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 03:19 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:28 +0100
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 12:44 +0000
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 05:57 -0700
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:05 +0000
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:16 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 19:36 +0100
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 18:59 +0000
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 19:53 +0000
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 21:56 +0100
                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 04:45 +0000
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 00:06 -0700
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 09:58 +0100
                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 02:46 -0700
                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 10:03 +0000
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 03:31 -0700
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 12:21 +0100
                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 11:49 +0000
                                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 05:42 -0700
                                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 14:46 +0100
                                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 15:25 +0000
                                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 09:41 -0700
                                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 18:26 +0100
                                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-04 11:45 -0700
                                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 07:15 +0100
                                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 06:39 +0000
                                                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-05 00:31 -0700
                                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:53 +0000
                                                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 08:51 +0100
                                                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-05 00:58 -0700
                                                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 12:17 +0100
                                                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 14:54 +0000
                                                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-06 08:10 -0700
                                                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 19:17 +0100
                                                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 20:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 05:37 +0100
                                                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 09:17 +0100
                                                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-07 04:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-07 04:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-07 05:39 -0700
                                                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-07 20:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-06 22:59 -0700
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 07:13 -0700
                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 15:25 +0000
                                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-04 09:00 -0700
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 12:33 +0000
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 05:38 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 11:30 +0100
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 06:18 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 13:41 +0000
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 20:01 +0000
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 20:00 +0000
    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-04 14:28 -0400
      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 06:32 +0100
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-05 06:44 +0000
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 09:03 +0100
        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-07 08:59 -0500
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-07 07:33 -0700
          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-07 16:37 +0200
            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-08 12:30 -0500
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tc> - 2018-10-08 17:41 +0000
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-08 20:00 +0200
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-08 22:12 -0500
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-08 23:39 -0400
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-08 20:46 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-09 13:30 -0500
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-15 22:21 +0200
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:14 +0000
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-15 22:10 -0500
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-16 08:50 +0200
                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-16 18:43 -0500
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-17 03:30 +0200
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 22:47 -0400
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-15 22:07 -0500
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-15 22:14 -0700
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-16 08:39 +0200
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-16 05:03 -0700
                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 21:08 +0100
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-16 18:50 -0500
                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-17 03:31 +0200
                              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 06:28 +0100
                                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 13:02 -0400
                                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 18:47 +0100
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-19 19:15 +0000
                            Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-22 11:44 -0500
                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-16 23:11 +0200
                        Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-16 18:41 -0500
                          Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-22 13:04 -0700
              Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-09 06:06 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-09 08:45 -0500
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-09 07:27 -0700
                    Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-09 07:40 -0700
                      Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-09 07:43 -0700
                  Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-10 07:08 -0700
                Re: Why the *Medium* Matters. Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tc> - 2018-10-09 14:04 +0000
    Another Reason "Why the *Medium* Matters." Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 19:13 +0100

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#474270

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-06 08:32 -0700
Message-ID<78989995-902b-4ae8-b36e-1573508157de@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474259
On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:15:45 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wave travels, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for SOME waves is...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latter cannot be matter. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it can.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Experiment says no. 
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Experiments say yes. 
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Experimental RESULTS already in hand say no. 
> >>>>>>>>>> Hypothetical experiments in the future don’t say anything until they are
> >>>>>>>>>> actually done. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Radar gun uses variable light speed to detect the speed of moving car as follows:
> >>>>>>>>> v=c-c'
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Again, the operation of a radar gun is completely compatible with the model
> >>>>>>>> that light has constant speed. Therefore you cannot cite a radar gun as an
> >>>>>>>> experimental application that FAVORS a model with variable light speed. And
> >>>>>>>> since in your model not one calculation is available because you are unable
> >>>>>>>> to produce one, then yours isn’t even a model that scientists would
> >>>>>>>> acknowledge. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> v of a moving car= Lambda(frequency of source at rest wrt the
> >>>>>>> observer)-Lambda( measured frequency of a source in a moving car)
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> That is not a calculation. That is typing an equation. Do you know the
> >>>>>> difference?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It is a calculation....that’s how the radar gun works
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> A calculation involves taking real world numbers (that you look up) that
> >>>> are appropriate for the case at hand, and you crunch the numbers. All
> >>>> physicists do this. Einstein did this for relativity. He produced the
> >>>> number for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example.
> >>>> Writing down an equation is not doing a calculation. Calculations produce
> >>>> NUMBERS that can be compared to measured NUMBERS. 
> >>> 
> >>> What’s wrong with my calculations for the speed of of a moving car using the radar?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> You typed an equation. You did not take real world numbers (that you look
> >> up) and you didn’t crunch the numbers to predict a VALUE that can be
> >> measured. I honestly think you simply don’t know how to do this. 
> > 
> > I did take real number:
> > c=Lambda(frequency of the source at rest with the observer)
> > c’=Lambda(return frequency from the car)
> > v_car=c-c’
> > All these are real measurable numbers.
> > 
> 
> Those are variables. 25.3 m/s is a number. 2.239E-15 kg is a number. 43
> arcseconds per century is a number. 

Moron, you measure the variables and get a number. Gee you are stupid.

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#474306

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-06 20:20 +0000
Message-ID<ppb5du$1cdc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#474270
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:15:45 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wave travels, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for SOME waves is...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latter cannot be matter. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experiment says no. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experiments say yes. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Experimental RESULTS already in hand say no. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hypothetical experiments in the future don’t say anything until they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually done. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Radar gun uses variable light speed to detect the speed of moving car as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>> v=c-c'
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Again, the operation of a radar gun is completely compatible with the model
>>>>>>>>>> that light has constant speed. Therefore you cannot cite a radar gun as an
>>>>>>>>>> experimental application that FAVORS a model with variable light speed. And
>>>>>>>>>> since in your model not one calculation is available because you are unable
>>>>>>>>>> to produce one, then yours isn’t even a model that scientists would
>>>>>>>>>> acknowledge. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> v of a moving car= Lambda(frequency of source at rest wrt the
>>>>>>>>> observer)-Lambda( measured frequency of a source in a moving car)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That is not a calculation. That is typing an equation. Do you know the
>>>>>>>> difference?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is a calculation....that’s how the radar gun works
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A calculation involves taking real world numbers (that you look up) that
>>>>>> are appropriate for the case at hand, and you crunch the numbers. All
>>>>>> physicists do this. Einstein did this for relativity. He produced the
>>>>>> number for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example.
>>>>>> Writing down an equation is not doing a calculation. Calculations produce
>>>>>> NUMBERS that can be compared to measured NUMBERS. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What’s wrong with my calculations for the speed of of a moving car using the radar?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You typed an equation. You did not take real world numbers (that you look
>>>> up) and you didn’t crunch the numbers to predict a VALUE that can be
>>>> measured. I honestly think you simply don’t know how to do this. 
>>> 
>>> I did take real number:
>>> c=Lambda(frequency of the source at rest with the observer)
>>> c’=Lambda(return frequency from the car)
>>> v_car=c-c’
>>> All these are real measurable numbers.
>>> 
>> 
>> Those are variables. 25.3 m/s is a number. 2.239E-15 kg is a number. 43
>> arcseconds per century is a number. 
> 
> Moron, you measure the variables and get a number. Gee you are stupid.
> 

No, Ken. It’s your equation, YOU put the numbers in for the variables and
you get a number. That’s what Einstein did. That’s what all physicists do. 

For example, Einstein had a relativistic equation for the precession of the
perihelion of Mercury. This formula involved the semi major axis, the
period, and the eccentricity of Mercury’s orbit. So Einstein looked up
those numbers and calculated with his equation. He got a number of 43 arc
seconds per century. 

You see what real physicists do? The find a formula that involves some
numbers already known, and the predict another number that can be measured.
Just like Einstein did with relativity. 

Notice that you have not done that. Anywhere. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#474358

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-07 07:19 -0700
Message-ID<3bb1cfef-3167-4cd7-bec9-5a1ec7ddf3f5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474306
On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:15:45 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wave travels, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for SOME waves is...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latter cannot be matter. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it can.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experiment says no. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Experiments say yes. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Experimental RESULTS already in hand say no. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hypothetical experiments in the future don’t say anything until they are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> actually done. 
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Radar gun uses variable light speed to detect the speed of moving car as follows:
> >>>>>>>>>>> v=c-c'
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Again, the operation of a radar gun is completely compatible with the model
> >>>>>>>>>> that light has constant speed. Therefore you cannot cite a radar gun as an
> >>>>>>>>>> experimental application that FAVORS a model with variable light speed. And
> >>>>>>>>>> since in your model not one calculation is available because you are unable
> >>>>>>>>>> to produce one, then yours isn’t even a model that scientists would
> >>>>>>>>>> acknowledge. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> v of a moving car= Lambda(frequency of source at rest wrt the
> >>>>>>>>> observer)-Lambda( measured frequency of a source in a moving car)
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> That is not a calculation. That is typing an equation. Do you know the
> >>>>>>>> difference?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> It is a calculation....that’s how the radar gun works
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> A calculation involves taking real world numbers (that you look up) that
> >>>>>> are appropriate for the case at hand, and you crunch the numbers. All
> >>>>>> physicists do this. Einstein did this for relativity. He produced the
> >>>>>> number for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example.
> >>>>>> Writing down an equation is not doing a calculation. Calculations produce
> >>>>>> NUMBERS that can be compared to measured NUMBERS. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What’s wrong with my calculations for the speed of of a moving car using the radar?
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> You typed an equation. You did not take real world numbers (that you look
> >>>> up) and you didn’t crunch the numbers to predict a VALUE that can be
> >>>> measured. I honestly think you simply don’t know how to do this. 
> >>> 
> >>> I did take real number:
> >>> c=Lambda(frequency of the source at rest with the observer)
> >>> c’=Lambda(return frequency from the car)
> >>> v_car=c-c’
> >>> All these are real measurable numbers.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Those are variables. 25.3 m/s is a number. 2.239E-15 kg is a number. 43
> >> arcseconds per century is a number. 
> > 
> > Moron, you measure the variables and get a number. Gee you are stupid.
> > 
> 
> No, Ken. It’s your equation, YOU put the numbers in for the variables and
> you get a number. That’s what Einstein did. That’s what all physicists do. 

Idiot....so I look up the frequency and the wavelength of the source of the radar gun to get a number. What is your problem?

> 
> For example, Einstein had a relativistic equation for the precession of the
> perihelion of Mercury. This formula involved the semi major axis, the
> period, and the eccentricity of Mercury’s orbit. So Einstein looked up
> those numbers and calculated with his equation. He got a number of 43 arc
> seconds per century. 
> 
> You see what real physicists do? The find a formula that involves some
> numbers already known, and the predict another number that can be measured.
> Just like Einstein did with relativity. 
> 
> Notice that you have not done that. Anywhere. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#474388

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-07 19:19 +0000
Message-ID<ppdm8g$1j56$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#474358
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 4:20:19 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 11:01:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:15:45 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wave travels, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for SOME waves is...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “E-Matrix”.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latter cannot be matter. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it can.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experiment says no. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experiments say yes. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Experimental RESULTS already in hand say no. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hypothetical experiments in the future don’t say anything until they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually done. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Radar gun uses variable light speed to detect the speed of moving car as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> v=c-c'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, the operation of a radar gun is completely compatible with the model
>>>>>>>>>>>> that light has constant speed. Therefore you cannot cite a radar gun as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> experimental application that FAVORS a model with variable light speed. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> since in your model not one calculation is available because you are unable
>>>>>>>>>>>> to produce one, then yours isn’t even a model that scientists would
>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledge. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> v of a moving car= Lambda(frequency of source at rest wrt the
>>>>>>>>>>> observer)-Lambda( measured frequency of a source in a moving car)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That is not a calculation. That is typing an equation. Do you know the
>>>>>>>>>> difference?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It is a calculation....that’s how the radar gun works
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A calculation involves taking real world numbers (that you look up) that
>>>>>>>> are appropriate for the case at hand, and you crunch the numbers. All
>>>>>>>> physicists do this. Einstein did this for relativity. He produced the
>>>>>>>> number for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example.
>>>>>>>> Writing down an equation is not doing a calculation. Calculations produce
>>>>>>>> NUMBERS that can be compared to measured NUMBERS. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What’s wrong with my calculations for the speed of of a moving car using the radar?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You typed an equation. You did not take real world numbers (that you look
>>>>>> up) and you didn’t crunch the numbers to predict a VALUE that can be
>>>>>> measured. I honestly think you simply don’t know how to do this. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did take real number:
>>>>> c=Lambda(frequency of the source at rest with the observer)
>>>>> c’=Lambda(return frequency from the car)
>>>>> v_car=c-c’
>>>>> All these are real measurable numbers.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Those are variables. 25.3 m/s is a number. 2.239E-15 kg is a number. 43
>>>> arcseconds per century is a number. 
>>> 
>>> Moron, you measure the variables and get a number. Gee you are stupid.
>>> 
>> 
>> No, Ken. It’s your equation, YOU put the numbers in for the variables and
>> you get a number. That’s what Einstein did. That’s what all physicists do. 
> 
> Idiot....so I look up the frequency and the wavelength of the source of
> the radar gun to get a number. What is your problem?

So do that. 

> 
>> 
>> For example, Einstein had a relativistic equation for the precession of the
>> perihelion of Mercury. This formula involved the semi major axis, the
>> period, and the eccentricity of Mercury’s orbit. So Einstein looked up
>> those numbers and calculated with his equation. He got a number of 43 arc
>> seconds per century. 
>> 
>> You see what real physicists do? The find a formula that involves some
>> numbers already known, and the predict another number that can be measured.
>> Just like Einstein did with relativity. 
>> 
>> Notice that you have not done that. Anywhere. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#474135

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-10-05 01:00 +0000
Message-ID<pp6d3o$ghb$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#474115
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:

>> >> That is not a calculation. That is typing an equation. Do you know the
>> >> difference?

>> > It is a calculation....that'ss how the radar gun works

>> A calculation involves taking real world numbers (that you look up) that
>> are appropriate for the case at hand, and you crunch the numbers. All
>> physicists do this. Einstein did this for relativity. He produced the
>> number for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example.
>> Writing down an equation is not doing a calculation. Calculations produce
>> NUMBERS that can be compared to measured NUMBERS.

>What's wrong with my calculations for the speed of of a moving car using 
>the radar?

There aren't any calculations, that's what's wrong. You provided an
EQUATION for the speed of of a moving car.  You did not provide any
numbers, nor did you calculate any speed from the numbers you didn't
provide.

Here, here's an equation:

   z = y/x

Here are some values to plug in the equation:

   x = -2
   y = -6

Can you calculate z from the equation and the provided values of x and y?

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#474145

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-10-04 21:40 -0700
Message-ID<33b0ba60-6850-4008-9159-c59b69b90b7e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#474101
On Thursday, 4 October 2018 21:22:29 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:06:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:15:45 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:00:04 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the wave travels, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The medium for SOME waves is...
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> The latter cannot be matter. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Yes it can.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Experiment says no. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Experiments say yes. 
> >>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Experimental RESULTS already in hand say no. 
> >>>>>> Hypothetical experiments in the future don’t say anything until they are
> >>>>>> actually done. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Radar gun uses variable light speed to detect the speed of moving car as follows:
> >>>>> v=c-c'
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Again, the operation of a radar gun is completely compatible with the model
> >>>> that light has constant speed. Therefore you cannot cite a radar gun as an
> >>>> experimental application that FAVORS a model with variable light speed. And
> >>>> since in your model not one calculation is available because you are unable
> >>>> to produce one, then yours isn’t even a model that scientists would
> >>>> acknowledge. 
> >>> 
> >>> v of a moving car= Lambda(frequency of source at rest wrt the
> >>> observer)-Lambda( measured frequency of a source in a moving car)
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> That is not a calculation. That is typing an equation. Do you know the
> >> difference?
> > 
> > It is a calculation....that’s how the radar gun works
> > 
> 
> A calculation involves taking real world numbers (that you look up) that
> are appropriate for the case at hand, and you crunch the numbers. All
> physicists do this. Einstein did this for relativity. He produced the
> number for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, for example.
> Writing down an equation is not doing a calculation. Calculations produce
> NUMBERS that can be compared to measured NUMBERS.


You're too stupid however to notice that these measured 
NUMBERS are also human-made.

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#473975

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-10-03 16:45 +0000
Message-ID<pp2rna$f2b$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#473954
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> Experimental RESULTS already in hand say no.
>> Hypothetical experiments in the future don't say anything until they are
>> actually done.

>Radar gun uses variable light speed to detect the speed of moving car as 
>follows:
>v=c-c'

No, it doesn't. Police radar uses the Doppler Effect to determine the 
speed of the target.

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#473822

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 17:10 +0100
Message-ID<pLMsD.356346$4w.154336@fx44.am4>
In reply to#473807
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
>>>>> the wave travels,
>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.

Funny you should mention 'AIR' Ken.
Did you know that 'AIR' was Maxwell primary example of a medium for
electromagnetic waves ?

>>>>> and in all cases the wave velocity is
>>>>> relative to the medium.

>>>>> Relativists ignore the medium, which is why they can't
>>>>> unambiguously synchronize two clocks.

keith stein

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#473826

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 09:15 -0700
Message-ID<120c718f-30ee-4d88-b738-51b3461cb868@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473822
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:09:59 AM UTC-5, Keith Stein wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>> the wave travels,
> >>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> 
> Funny you should mention 'AIR' Ken.
> Did you know that 'AIR' was Maxwell primary example of a medium for
> electromagnetic waves ?
> 
> >>>>> and in all cases the wave velocity is
> >>>>> relative to the medium.
> 
> >>>>> Relativists ignore the medium, which is why they can't
> >>>>> unambiguously synchronize two clocks.
> 
> keith stein

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1807.08771.pdf


The mass of sound
Angelo Esposito, Rafael Krichevsky, and Alberto Nicolis
Department of Physics, Center for Theoretical Physics,
Columbia University, 538W 120th Street, New York, NY, 10027, USA
We show that the commonly accepted statement that sound waves do not transport mass is only
true at linear order. Using effective field theory techniques, we confirm the result found in [1] for
zero-temperature superfluids, and extend it to the case of solids and ordinary fluids. We show that,
in fact, sound waves do carry mass—in particular, gravitational mass. This implies that a sound
wave not only is affected by gravity but also generates a tiny gravitational field. Our findings are
valid for non-relativistic media as well, and could have intriguing experimental implications.
PACS numbers: 46.40.Cd, 47.10.-g, 47.35.Rs, 47.37.+q
Keywords: Phonons, Sound Waves, Superfluids, Fluids, Solids
I. INTRODUCTION
It is usually said that sound waves do not transport
mass. They carry momentum and energy, and lead to
temporary oscillations of the local mass density of any
region they happen to pass through, but it is an accepted
fact that the net mass transported by a sound wave vanishes.
Here, we want to question this “fact”.
A first indication that sound waves can in fact carry a
nonzero net mass is contained in the results of [1]: there,
using an effective point-particle theory, it was shown that
phonons in zero-temperature superfluids have an effective
coupling to gravity, which depends solely on their
energy (or momentum) and on the superfluid’s equation
of state. For ordinary equations of state, such a coupling
corresponds to a negative effective gravitational mass: in
the presence of an external gravitational field, such as
that of Earth, a phonon’s trajectory bends upwards.
Now, this effect is completely equivalent to standard
refraction in the form of Snell’s law: in the presence
of gravity, the pressure of the superfluid depends on
depth, and so does the speed of sound. As a result, in
the geometric acoustics limit sound waves do not propagate
along straight lines. Because of this, one might
be tempted to dismiss any interpretation of this phenomenon
in terms of “gravitational mass”. However,
since in the formalism of [1] the effect is due to a coupling
with gravity in the effective Lagrangian or Hamiltonian of
the phonon, the same coupling must affect the field equation
for gravity. That is, the (tiny) effective gravitational
mass of the phonon generates a (tiny) gravitational field.
And the source of this gravitational field travels with the
phonon. Thus, in a very physical sense, the phonon carries
(negative) mass. Moreover, this is not due to the
usual equivalence of mass and energy in relativity: the
effect survives in the non-relativistic limit. And, finally,
it is not a quantum effect, because the formalism of [1]
applies unaltered to classical wave packets.

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#473828

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 09:18 -0700
Message-ID<a2f042a3-6a5d-4a1e-8e3b-f35a2bbe783f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473822
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:09:59 AM UTC-5, Keith Stein wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>> the wave travels,
> >>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> 
> Funny you should mention 'AIR' Ken.
> Did you know that 'AIR' was Maxwell primary example of a medium for
> electromagnetic waves ?
> 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13PJme9FAyVj-7VIRHvctd41w449BLr-IGwiokfUuD7g

Negative Sonic Mass & The Big Bang & Gravity Waves 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1807.08771.pdf 


The mass of sound 
Angelo Esposito, Rafael Krichevsky, and Alberto Nicolis 
Department of Physics, Center for Theoretical Physics, Columbia University, 
538W 120th Street, New York, NY, 10027, USA 


M = −(ρm/cs)*(dcs/dP)*E 


-((((c^5) / (hbar * (G^2))) / c) * (c / ((c^7) / (hbar * (G^2)))) * ((6.5248925 ((kg m) / s)) * c)) = -2.17646986e-8 kg 


1 planck length / (2.17647019e-8 kg * ((1 kg * G) / (c^2))) = 1 kg^-1 

(0.5 planck length) / (3.71295774e-28 kg) = 2.1764702e-8 m / kg 


((0.5 / (5^0.5)) * atomic mass units) / kg = 3.71307817e-28 

((6.6742965e-11 * pascals) / (((1 / (5^0.5)) * atomic mass unit) / (m^3))) / (c^2) = 1 

6.6742965e-11 / gravitational constant = 1.00003244 

Mass of Sound 

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1807.08771.pdf 


Bjerknes forces & inversion of sign 

http://cds.cern.ch/record/516564/files/0109005.pdf 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14dGOjOuRXXIBSg-0N-vBovhwDCnrMbBioONasYH9FG0 


https://docs.google.com/document/d/13PJme9FAyVj-7VIRHvctd41w449BLr-IGwiokfUuD7g


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedmann_equations#Density_parameter 


From:  https://arxiv.org/pdf/1807.08771.pdf 

> >>>>> and in all cases the wave velocity is
> >>>>> relative to the medium.
> 
> >>>>> Relativists ignore the medium, which is why they can't
> >>>>> unambiguously synchronize two clocks.
> 
> keith stein

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#473930

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-03 06:41 -0700
Message-ID<d3a2075a-c044-41f9-8dc0-2e8167a039a9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473822
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-4, Keith Stein wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>> the wave travels,
> >>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> 
> Funny you should mention 'AIR' Ken.
> Did you know that 'AIR' was Maxwell primary example of a medium for
> electromagnetic waves ?

He lumped AIR as the aether. It is not. There is no AIR in the vacuum of space and light from the sun and the stars still manage to reach the earth.
The Doppler shift along with the assumption of universal wavelength of the source give variable light speeds. BTW that’s how the radar gun works. 


> 
> >>>>> and in all cases the wave velocity is
> >>>>> relative to the medium.
> 
> >>>>> Relativists ignore the medium, which is why they can't
> >>>>> unambiguously synchronize two clocks.
> 
> keith stein

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#473981

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 19:06 +0100
Message-ID<jy7tD.10177$PI.7017@fx25.am4>
In reply to#473930
On 03/10/2018 14:41, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-4, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
>>>>>>> the wave travels,

>>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.

Thank you for that suggestion, Mr.Seto, but i myself will continue
firmly in my current belief when light passes through AIR
         THE MEDIUM IS                                 AIR.

>> Funny you should mention 'AIR' Ken.
>> Did you know that 'AIR' was Maxwell primary example of a medium for
>> electromagnetic waves ?
> 
> He lumped AIR as the aether.

Maxwell just used the word "air",
he makes not one mention of "aether"
in his very long "Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism" eh!


> It is not. There is no AIR in the vacuum of space 

BUT there is still HYDROGEN Ken, and when light passes through HYDROGEN
                THE MEDIUM IS                                   HYDROGEN


Do hope that is clear to you now Mr.Seto,
When you understand that
you will understand
   how clocks CAN BE SYNCHRONIZED exactly.


So Mr.Seto,
What i am really saying here
is that you can take your "E-Matrix"
and stick it ...............

where the Sun don't shine eh!




keith stein



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#474069

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-04 07:52 -0700
Message-ID<61559f6c-6100-4ea1-af97-22c4da29c2d2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473981
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:06:09 PM UTC-4, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 03/10/2018 14:41, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-4, Keith Stein wrote:
> >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>>>> The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which
> >>>>>>> the wave travels,
> 
> >>>>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the “E-Matrix”.
> 
> Thank you for that suggestion, Mr.Seto, but i myself will continue
> firmly in my current belief when light passes through AIR
>          THE MEDIUM IS                                 AIR.
> 
> >> Funny you should mention 'AIR' Ken.
> >> Did you know that 'AIR' was Maxwell primary example of a medium for
> >> electromagnetic waves ?
> > 
> > He lumped AIR as the aether.
> 
> Maxwell just used the word "air",
> he makes not one mention of "aether"
> in his very long “Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism" eh!

He did not exclude the aether.

> 
> 
> > It is not. There is no AIR in the vacuum of space 
> 
> BUT there is still HYDROGEN Ken, and when light passes through HYDROGEN
>                 THE MEDIUM IS                                   HYDROGEN

Maxwell did not say that the medium  for light in the interstellar space is HYDROGEN....you make this up.
 
> 
> Do hope that is clear to you now Mr.Seto,
> When you understand that
> you will understand
>    how clocks CAN BE SYNCHRONIZED exactly.

Clocks in relative motion cannot be synchronized. Why? Because they accumulate clock seconds at different rates. 
> 
> 
> So Mr.Seto,
> What i am really saying here
> is that you can take your "E-Matrix"
> and stick it ...............

You can take your rantings and stick it......eh!


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#473844

FromHilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce>
Date2018-10-02 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<pp0kdq$s6$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#473803
kenseto wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The 'medium' for any wave is just the matter through which the wave
>> > travels,
>> 
>> The medium for SOME waves is...
> 
> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the
> “E-Matrix”.

Both incorrect. The medium for sound can be anything. The latter as a 
subset, may appear correct. It depends on the mechanism presented.

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#473873

FromLibor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 03:32 +0200
Message-ID<pp167r$83e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#473844
Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> Wrote in message:
> kenseto wrote:
> 

>> 
>> The medium for sound is the AIR and the medium for light is the
>> “E-Matrix”.
> 
> Both incorrect. The medium for sound can be anything. The latter as a 
> subset, may appear correct. It depends on the mechanism presented.
> 

The idea of medium for light was coined in ancient time when
 matter and light were thought to be continuous.

Now, the idea is as obsolete as the continuity idea.

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#473882

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 05:18 +0100
Message-ID<RqXsD.462708$1x.448515@fx22.am4>
In reply to#473873
On 03/10/2018 02:32, Libor Striz wrote:

> The idea of medium for light was coined in ancient time when
>   matter and light were thought to be continuous.
> 
> Now, the idea is as obsolete as the continuity idea.


Do you consider all of classical physics to be obsolete Mr.Striz?

Maxwell's electromagnetic theory is indeed a macroscopic
theory in which the medium is treated as continuous,but it
is just as relevant today as the day that he firstnwrote it.

Electromagnetic waves travel with a speed which is appropriate to,
and relative to, the macroscopic medium that they pass through. I rather 
think all waves behave like that in fact. I mean it would be silly to 
talk of the speed of a water waves between water molecules, but no one 
has given up on the concept of water waves eh!


keith stein

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#473883

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-10-03 05:06 +0000
Message-ID<pp1ioh$vhm$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#473882
Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:

>Do you consider all of classical physics to be obsolete Mr.Striz?

Of course it isn't. Fizeau stumbled across an effect of special relativity
way back in 1851 when he discovered the speed of light is not c/n relative
to moving water.  I'm sure that caused Maxwell to scratch his head.

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#473912

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 10:51 +0100
Message-ID<vi0tD.633349$zc1.585247@fx10.am4>
In reply to#473883
On 03/10/2018 06:06, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Do you consider all of classical physics to be obsolete Mr.Striz?
> 
> Of course it isn't. Fizeau stumbled across an effect of special relativity
> way back in 1851 when he discovered the speed of light is not c/n relative
> to moving water.  I'm sure that caused Maxwell to scratch his head.

So you choose to accept Fizeau's bullshit and reject Maxwell's theory.
I can't really blame you Michael, because that is indeed what the whole
physic's establishment has been doing for the last 100 years. It would 
be laughable, if it wasn't so tragic eh!

keith stein

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#473913

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 09:58 +0000
Message-ID<pp23r8$7ps$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#473912
Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/10/2018 06:06, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Do you consider all of classical physics to be obsolete Mr.Striz?
>> 
>> Of course it isn't. Fizeau stumbled across an effect of special relativity
>> way back in 1851 when he discovered the speed of light is not c/n relative
>> to moving water.  I'm sure that caused Maxwell to scratch his head.
> 
> So you choose to accept Fizeau's bullshit and reject Maxwell's theory.
> I can't really blame you Michael, because that is indeed what the whole
> physic's establishment has been doing for the last 100 years. It would 
> be laughable, if it wasn't so tragic eh!
> 
> keith stein
> 

Experiments trump theoretical hypotheses every single time. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#473914

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-10-03 03:19 -0700
Message-ID<9cf3a1bf-10f5-44b9-89ee-2cda0bbe0768@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473913
On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:58:02 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:

> Experiments trump theoretical hypotheses every single time. 

If the theoretical hypothesis above was true 
experiments would trump it. But it's not, so
idiots like you continue to spread it against 
obvious facts.

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