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Improved Relativity Theory (IRT)

Started bykenseto <setoken@att.net>
First post2018-09-24 09:43 -0700
Last post2018-09-28 14:47 -0700
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  Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-24 09:43 -0700
    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 17:13 +0000
      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-24 12:38 -0700
        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 01:20 +0000
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 01:38 +0000
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 06:47 -0700
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:13 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 17:54 -0700
                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 02:39 +0000
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 06:32 -0700
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:13 +0000
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 17:57 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 02:39 +0000
    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-24 18:17 +0000
      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 20:09 +0000
        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:29 -0700
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-25 22:29 +0000
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) herbertglazier0@gmail.com - 2018-09-25 16:55 -0700
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 17:52 -0700
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 20:11 -0700
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 04:11 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 09:54 -0700
                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-26 14:00 -0700
                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:29 +0000
                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 01:10 +0000
                      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 06:47 -0700
                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 18:37 +0000
                          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 13:18 -0700
                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 22:05 +0000
                              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-29 08:11 -0700
                                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 15:25 +0000
                                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-29 12:40 -0700
                                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 20:03 +0000
                                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 22:03 +0000
                                      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-30 19:07 -0700
                                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:52 +0000
                                          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-01 11:46 -0700
                                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 21:30 +0000
                                              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 07:30 -0700
                                                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:08 +0000
                                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 08:37 -0700
                                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-29 09:20 -0700
                                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-29 12:43 -0700
                                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 15:00 -0700
                                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 10:31 -0700
                                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-01 11:51 -0700
                                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 21:30 +0000
                                      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 07:21 -0700
                                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:08 +0000
                                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:27 -0700
                                          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 06:03 -0700
                                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 13:38 +0000
                                              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:10 -0700
                                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 07:41 -0700
                                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
                                      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 05:59 -0700
                                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 07:43 -0700
                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 06:20 -0700
                          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 07:10 -0700
                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 16:45 +0000
                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:39 -0700
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-26 13:57 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 14:42 -0700
                  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 12:46 -0700
                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 06:30 -0700
                      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 06:56 -0700
                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 09:41 -0700
                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:44 -0700
                    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 09:43 -0700
                      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:51 -0700
                        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:30 -0700
                          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 14:41 -0700
                            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:47 -0700

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#473461

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-29 08:37 -0700
Message-ID<122890ba-a14f-480d-9290-376db60f0c00@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473458
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> I don’t owe anything to anyone.

Yes you do.

> I invented a new theory of the universe, 

You *STOLE* a theory from another crank. 

> a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me 
> relevant questions. 


idiot ken, I'm a real/official physicist. And I often asked you 
what your theory predicts for a given (simple) exp. Yet, you refused to answer the questions. 

This makes you a fraud and a liar. Until you answer the questions physicist pose to you, you will remain a fraud. 

> And asked me to do calculations knowing that the IRT equations 
> call for data that are not yet available.

The data is irrelevant here. Do the calculations and give the result symbolically. Its that simple. 

> How is that I am a fraud by inventing a new theory of relativity? 

1- you refuse to do the calculations we request
2- you admitted to me that you plagiarized 'irt'. 

> You can point out that my theory is wrong because...... but 
> not simply say that I am a fraud.

idiot ken, you say that your theory is, say, "rhJVFUbhjyuf".
We say that the above is meaningless, and cant make any predictions. 
The theory "rhJVFUbhjyuf" is wrong because it makes NO predictions; its gibberish, random string of letters. Yet you claim it because we cant understand it. Perhaps, yet you cant answer us what result it predicts for a given exp. That's what makes you a fraud. 

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#473464

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-29 09:20 -0700
Message-ID<6462a119-bdb9-4bfd-a44e-204080c587ae@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473461
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:37:24 AM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
>
>I'm a real/official physicist. 

You are just a fraud. A crank just one notch about Ken. 

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#473472

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-09-29 12:43 -0700
Message-ID<a45dc9d4-2beb-4870-85bc-03f3114e2fd7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473461
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:37:24 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
> > I don’t owe anything to anyone.
> 
> Yes you do.
> 
> > I invented a new theory of the universe, 
> 
> You *STOLE* a theory from another crank. 

You are a racist. 
Http://www.modelmechanics.org/dehilster.pdf
I am not going to waste time on you anymore.




> 
> > a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me 
> > relevant questions. 
> 
> 
> idiot ken, I'm a real/official physicist. And I often asked you 
> what your theory predicts for a given (simple) exp. Yet, you refused to answer the questions. 
> 
> This makes you a fraud and a liar. Until you answer the questions physicist pose to you, you will remain a fraud. 
> 
> > And asked me to do calculations knowing that the IRT equations 
> > call for data that are not yet available.
> 
> The data is irrelevant here. Do the calculations and give the result symbolically. Its that simple. 
> 
> > How is that I am a fraud by inventing a new theory of relativity? 
> 
> 1- you refuse to do the calculations we request
> 2- you admitted to me that you plagiarized 'irt'. 
> 
> > You can point out that my theory is wrong because...... but 
> > not simply say that I am a fraud.
> 
> idiot ken, you say that your theory is, say, "rhJVFUbhjyuf".
> We say that the above is meaningless, and cant make any predictions. 
> The theory "rhJVFUbhjyuf" is wrong because it makes NO predictions; its gibberish, random string of letters. Yet you claim it because we cant understand it. Perhaps, yet you cant answer us what result it predicts for a given exp. That's what makes you a fraud.

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#473498

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-29 15:00 -0700
Message-ID<fec14b45-60f4-4d0f-bdac-8daffb60338e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473472
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:43:49 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:

> You are a racist. 
> Http://www.modlemechanics.org/dehilster.pdf

Link doesnt work.

> I am not going to waste time on you anymore.

Liar. 

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#473686

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-01 10:31 -0700
Message-ID<75ea04e4-7f80-4907-ac17-f504e1a69313@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473458
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
[]
> 
> I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
> a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
> questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
> refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
> knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.

I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
not even "a real physicist".

Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
of integrity and honor.

So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
fails.

It is up to you.

Ed

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#473693

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-01 11:51 -0700
Message-ID<5387422f-3c43-41b9-87c1-5f2390359f5a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473686
On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> []
> > 
> > I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
> > a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
> > questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
> > refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
> > knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.
> 
> I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
> how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
> such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
> not even "a real physicist".
> 
> Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
> I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
> instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
> examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
> to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
> of integrity and honor.
> 
> So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
> be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
> aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
> the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
> that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
> your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
> fails.
> 
> It is up to you.
> 
> Ed

Yes it’s up to me. I decided that you are not important enough for me waste time to do any work to satisfy you. Furthermore, your motivation is to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.

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#473715

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-01 21:30 +0000
Message-ID<pou3li$1qs6$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#473693
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>> []
>>> 
>>> I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
>>> a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
>>> questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
>>> refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
>>> knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.
>> 
>> I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
>> how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
>> such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
>> not even "a real physicist".
>> 
>> Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
>> I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
>> instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
>> examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
>> to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
>> of integrity and honor.
>> 
>> So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
>> be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
>> aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
>> the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
>> that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
>> your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
>> fails.
>> 
>> It is up to you.
>> 
>> Ed
> 
> Yes it’s up to me. I decided that you are not important enough for me
> waste time to do any work to satisfy you. Furthermore, your motivation is
> to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.
> 

Chickenshit fraudster. Real scientists put their calculations up in papers
precisely so that other physicists can pick over them and try to find the
holes. You don’t want to do that. Fine, then it won’t be treated like a
physics theory. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#473810

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-02 07:21 -0700
Message-ID<3379b7ac-44e7-4625-9d92-401b2cb7bf30@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473715
On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:30:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> >> []
> >>> 
> >>> I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
> >>> a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
> >>> questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
> >>> refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
> >>> knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.
> >> 
> >> I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
> >> how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
> >> such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
> >> not even "a real physicist".
> >> 
> >> Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
> >> I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
> >> instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
> >> examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
> >> to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
> >> of integrity and honor.
> >> 
> >> So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
> >> be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
> >> aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
> >> the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
> >> that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
> >> your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
> >> fails.
> >> 
> >> It is up to you.
> >> 
> >> Ed
> > 
> > Yes it’s up to me. I decided that you are not important enough for me
> > waste time to do any work to satisfy you. Furthermore, your motivation is
> > to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.
> > 
> 
> Chickenshit fraudster. Real scientists put their calculations up in papers
> precisely so that other physicists can pick over them and try to find the
> holes. You don’t want to do that. Fine, then it won’t be treated like a
> physics theory. 

Real scientists would try to understand my theory before asking questions. You and Ed don’t understand my theory and want me to do calculations. I don’t think so.

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#473830

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 17:08 +0000
Message-ID<pp08n6$1bfq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#473810
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:30:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>> []
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
>>>>> a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
>>>>> questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
>>>>> refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
>>>>> knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.
>>>> 
>>>> I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
>>>> how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
>>>> such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
>>>> not even "a real physicist".
>>>> 
>>>> Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
>>>> I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
>>>> instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
>>>> examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
>>>> to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
>>>> of integrity and honor.
>>>> 
>>>> So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
>>>> be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
>>>> aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
>>>> the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
>>>> that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
>>>> your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
>>>> fails.
>>>> 
>>>> It is up to you.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> Yes it’s up to me. I decided that you are not important enough for me
>>> waste time to do any work to satisfy you. Furthermore, your motivation is
>>> to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.
>>> 
>> 
>> Chickenshit fraudster. Real scientists put their calculations up in papers
>> precisely so that other physicists can pick over them and try to find the
>> holes. You don’t want to do that. Fine, then it won’t be treated like a
>> physics theory. 
> 
> Real scientists would try to understand my theory before asking
> questions. You and Ed don’t understand my theory and want me to do
> calculations. I don’t think so.
> 

Ken, the real world doesn’t conform to what you think should be so. 

You say real scientists would give you attention before asking for
calculations. I think you should have discovered by now — look at the lack
of interest over the last two decades — that the opposite is true:
scientists won’t give you any attention until you do what THEY consider to
be minimum, which I guarantee includes one of the things you just don’t
know how to do. Calculations. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#473843

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 13:27 -0700
Message-ID<2a8d3738-4fb0-4d4b-95d8-8ca56a3e4aeb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473810
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:21:15 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
[]
> 
> Real scientists would try to understand my theory before asking questions. You and Ed don’t understand my theory and want me to do calculations. I don’t think so.

I have tried to understand your theory.
I asked you for a simple calculation to explain the one equation
that your provide (a modified equation of gravity).

If you want recognition, you need to stop hiding.
Ed

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#473924

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-03 06:03 -0700
Message-ID<e2203c74-9414-4ef3-9a05-40497f538984@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473843
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 10:21:15 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> []
> > 
> > Real scientists would try to understand my theory before asking questions. You and Ed don’t understand my theory and want me to do calculations. I don’t think so.
> 
> I have tried to understand your theory.
> I asked you for a simple calculation to explain the one equation
> that your provide (a modified equation of gravity).
> 
> If you want recognition, you need to stop hiding.
> Ed

Told you that your motivation is to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.

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#473928

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-10-03 13:38 +0000
Message-ID<pp2gom$ep2$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#473924
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:

>> I have tried to understand your theory.
>> I asked you for a simple calculation to explain the one equation
>> that your provide (a modified equation of gravity).

>> If you want recognition, you need to stop hiding.

>Told you that your motivation is to refute my theory and I am not going to
>help you to do that.

Real physicists try to refute their OWN theory as well as helping others
try to refute it.  If they cannot, it's a sign he may be on to something.
Conversely, if they can, there's less time wasted on something that's
wrong.

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#473960

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-10-03 09:10 -0700
Message-ID<8e99de79-7250-4b36-aab3-558349463a05@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473928
On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 15:38:31 UTC+2, Michael Moroney  wrote:
 
> Real physicists try to refute their OWN theory as well as helping others
> try to refute it.

:)
And real communists are just humble servants of working
people of towns and villages.

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#473939

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 07:41 -0700
Message-ID<43f76c2b-555f-44fa-9435-a08038af2fc4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473924
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 9:03:50 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:

> Told you that your motivation is to refute my theory and I am 
> not going to help you to do that.

But idiot ken, that is what you are supposed to do!
As a real scientist, you are to try to refute your theory. Thats what scientist do. Since you reuse to try to refute your theory, you are not a scientist, and it makes you a fraud. 

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#473841

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
Message-ID<093934db-c153-45eb-b6a9-7ee5e3f55d2f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473693
On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > []
> > > 
> > > I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
> > > a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
> > > questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
> > > refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
> > > knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.
> > 
> > I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
> > how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
> > such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
> > not even "a real physicist".
> > 
> > Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
> > I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
> > instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
> > examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
> > to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
> > of integrity and honor.
> > 
> > So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
> > be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
> > aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
> > the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
> > that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
> > your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
> > fails.
> > 
> > It is up to you.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> Yes it’s up to me. I decided that you are not important enough for me waste time to do any work to satisfy you. Furthermore, your motivation is to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.


Then please do not complain when your theory is ignored.
If you won't move your theory forward for yourself, then
you have no reason to complain that others won't do your
calculations or run your experiments.

Ed

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#473923

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-10-03 05:59 -0700
Message-ID<f8d598d0-5393-42b4-bad8-19cb08d62ba0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473841
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:24:36 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:51:32 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:31:14 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 11:11:08 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > > []
> > > > 
> > > > I don’t owe anything to anyone. I invented a new theory of the universe,
> > > > a real physicist would try to understand my theory ask me relevant
> > > > questions. A want to be physicist such as you and ED would try to
> > > > refute it without understanding it. And asked me to do calculations
> > > > knowing that the IRT equations call for data that are not yet available.
> > > 
> > > I only asked you to do a sample calculation so we could understand
> > > how your equation of gravity works. That you care not to provide
> > > such an example shows you do not care to share you theory with anyone,
> > > not even "a real physicist".
> > > 
> > > Even you had to go to school to become a Chemical Engineer.
> > > I presume you did the work to learn your field once the
> > > instructor provided clear guidance, including worked out
> > > examples, of the specific topics. That you refuse to provide
> > > to others what you yourself was given, points to your lack
> > > of integrity and honor.
> > > 
> > > So it seems you do not care to have your theory advance and
> > > be tested. You have not provided equations to test any other
> > > aspect of your theory, so that is why I ask you about this one.
> > > the next step is up to you. If you are not willing to cross
> > > that line, your theory will continue in obscurity. Neither
> > > your nor the world will learn whether your theory works or
> > > fails.
> > > 
> > > It is up to you.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > Yes it’s up to me. I decided that you are not important enough for me waste time to do any work to satisfy you. Furthermore, your motivation is to refute my theory and I am not going to help you to do that.
> 
> 
> Then please do not complain when your theory is ignored.
> If you won't move your theory forward for yourself, then
> you have no reason to complain that others won't do your
> calculations or run your experiments

I don’t complain. If my theory is right then some bright young physicist will discover it.

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#473941

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-03 07:43 -0700
Message-ID<cd670f29-0623-42ee-923c-0a6aa8c5cf03@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473923
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:24:36 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:

> I don’t complain. If my theory is right then some bright young 
> physicist will discover it.

And if its wrong, everyone will tell you so and then just ignore it.
That is what is happening btw! So this proves that your theory is wrong, that it is crap. 

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#473345

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-28 06:20 -0700
Message-ID<5e27c388-7f0b-479b-9983-dd6d46fc37ce@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473254
On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 9:47:16 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 9:10:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
[]
> > >> This is getting interesting. It explains a lot, like why Ken cannot
> > >> do even a simple calculation from "his own" formula for gravity.
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > No idiot,I said that I don’t want to do what you asked me to do. It is beneath me.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Lol. Doing what all physicists do is beneath you. 
> 
> It is beneath me to do work for amateur like you the woodworker and Ed.

While I am not working as a physicist, I am not an amateur.
My Undergraduate degree is Physics. Yours was Chemical Engineering.
I have used my skills in physics and mathematics in a long and
productive career in Software Engineering, much of it in embedded
programming. I still work in a company making CT scanners.
So I deal with more physics each week that you do in a year.

You know I tried to be patient with you. I addressed you
with respect, Mr. Seto. But I merely ask you do demonstrate
what you yourself claim to have created.

So the bottom line is: if you cannot make testable predictions
with your own theory, then your theory is useless.

I suggest you drop the theory and spend more time with your family.
Enjoy,
  Ed

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#473349

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-09-28 07:10 -0700
Message-ID<833fbef4-f29d-4983-8dd7-efc1e05664ea@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473345
On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:20:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 9:47:16 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 9:10:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:54:49 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> []
> > > >> This is getting interesting. It explains a lot, like why Ken cannot
> > > >> do even a simple calculation from "his own" formula for gravity.
> > > >> 
> > > > 
> > > > No idiot,I said that I don’t want to do what you asked me to do. It is beneath me.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Lol. Doing what all physicists do is beneath you. 
> > 
> > It is beneath me to do work for amateur like you the woodworker and Ed.
> 
> While I am not working as a physicist, I am not an amateur.
> My Undergraduate degree is Physics. Yours was Chemical Engineering.
> I have used my skills in physics and mathematics in a long and
> productive career in Software Engineering, much of it in embedded
> programming. I still work in a company making CT scanners.
> So I deal with more physics each week that you do in a year.

That’s the point. You are still an amateur. You adopted some of the concepts of current physics and thus were not able to think outside the box. I invented the Pyramid Technique for doing physics and that enabled me to think outside the box and that, in turn, enabled me to come up with the revolutionary final theory of Model Mechanics.

> 
> You know I tried to be patient with you. I addressed you
> with respect, Mr. Seto. But I merely ask you do demonstrate
> what you yourself claim to have created.

No you were trying to refute my theory and you wanted me to help you to do so and I refused. 

> 
> So the bottom line is: if you cannot make testable predictions
> with your own theory, then your theory is useless.

I proposed experiments in Chapter 5 of my book to detect absolute motion. That’s testable.

> 
> I suggest you drop the theory and spend more time with your family.

ROTFLOL.... you the amateur want me to drop my theory.

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#473370

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-09-28 16:45 +0000
Message-ID<pollr6$cme$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#473349
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:20:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:

>> While I am not working as a physicist, I am not an amateur.
>> My Undergraduate degree is Physics. Yours was Chemical Engineering.
>> I have used my skills in physics and mathematics in a long and
>> productive career in Software Engineering, much of it in embedded
>> programming. I still work in a company making CT scanners.
>> So I deal with more physics each week that you do in a year.

>That's the point. You are still an amateur.

Wait a minute, Stupid Ken! Ed is the one with a physics degree, but you
don't, and YOU call HIM an amateur?? What does that make you?? A rank 
novice, perhaps?

>> You know I tried to be patient with you. I addressed you
>> with respect, Mr. Seto. But I merely ask you do demonstrate
>> what you yourself claim to have created.

>No you were trying to refute my theory and you wanted me to help you to do
>so and I refused.

Part of being a physicist is doing calculations using their own theories
to predict what happens in specific situations.

>> So the bottom line is: if you cannot make testable predictions
>> with your own theory, then your theory is useless.

>I proposed experiments in Chapter 5 of my book to detect absolute motion.
>That's testable.

Yet YOU cannot make testable predictions with your own theory!!!
It's your theory, it is your job to do so.

You aren't fooling anyone, Ken. You aren't refusing to do the calculations.
You *can't* do the calculations because you just can't do the math!
You can't even calculate (-6)/(-2)! Not even after 6 years!!

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