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Time Dilation as I understand it

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-09-07 09:57 -0700
Last post2018-09-28 20:20 +0000
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  Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 09:57 -0700
    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 12:54 -0700
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:40 +0200
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 15:38 -0700
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-07 21:40 -0700
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:33 +0000
    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-08 14:26 -0500
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 12:47 -0700
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 20:06 +0000
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 22:11 +0200
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 20:33 +0000
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 14:09 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 23:47 +0200
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-08 14:47 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 21:59 +0000
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-08 18:21 -0700
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 10:20 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-09 11:46 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 12:32 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-09 13:37 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:56 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 13:26 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 13:57 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 21:11 +0000
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:33 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:39 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 20:33 +0000
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 03:40 +0000
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:48 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 16:06 +0000
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 09:43 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-10 16:45 +0000
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 09:52 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 17:50 +0000
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 17:46 +0000
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 13:29 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 10:10 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 14:05 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 06:59 -0700
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 09:22 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 11:06 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 18:09 +0000
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:40 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:04 +0000
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:33 -0700
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 17:31 +0000
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-19 12:16 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 13:46 -0700
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 21:58 +0000
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:11 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 15:20 +0000
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:36 +0000
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:22 +0000
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Jayson Durante <tug@wsedwsa.np> - 2018-09-20 17:40 +0000
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 07:36 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:35 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 15:10 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 08:14 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 08:36 -0700
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 09:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 10:42 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-13 09:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 12:55 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-13 13:37 -0700
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-15 11:36 -0700
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-15 12:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 20:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:54 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:34 -0700
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:37 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-16 23:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 09:49 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:34 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-15 22:52 +0200
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:03 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-15 22:58 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:10 +0000
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:31 -0700
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:42 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-15 23:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:23 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 07:56 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:43 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:28 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 17:08 +0000
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 10:56 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-15 19:03 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:03 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-11 19:19 +0000
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 15:03 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:37 -0700
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 07:24 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-12 07:50 +0200
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-12 06:18 +0000
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 08:44 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-12 09:28 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 09:29 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 09:52 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 10:10 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 10:18 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 18:06 +0000
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:16 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 15:03 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:22 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:21 -0700
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:28 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:13 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:54 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:37 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-12 10:48 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 10:58 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-12 18:42 +0000
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-12 23:31 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-11 23:41 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:57 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-11 13:24 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:49 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 20:10 +0000
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 14:59 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 22:28 +0000
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:25 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:43 +0000
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 10:15 -0700
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 12:59 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 09:56 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 13:55 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 13:57 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:29 -0700
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-17 13:48 -0500
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 20:05 +0000
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:15 -0700
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:43 +0200
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:21 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:52 -0700
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 11:16 +0000
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-09 13:56 +0200
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 12:01 +0000
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-09 14:19 +0200
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 12:48 +0000
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 14:24 +0000
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-11 23:52 +0200
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 22:26 +0000
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-12 07:54 +0200
    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-13 10:02 -0700
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-13 17:03 +0000
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-15 18:38 +0200
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:56 -0700
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 13:12 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-15 13:35 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 13:58 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:08 +0000
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 07:29 -0700
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 08:14 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:51 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:13 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:42 +0200
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 18:01 +0000
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:02 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 10:27 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:55 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 11:04 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 12:59 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-16 13:11 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-16 13:28 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 17:22 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:46 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 09:53 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:06 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:40 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 14:44 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:45 +0000
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 14:57 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:53 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 09:46 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:55 -0700
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 19:41 +0200
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:09 +0000
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 11:01 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-18 11:24 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:27 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:58 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:10 -0700
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 23:19 +0200
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 22:03 +0000
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:21 -0700
                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:29 +0000
                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:53 -0700
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:47 +0200
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:30 +0000
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 09:34 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:06 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 13:08 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:19 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-20 18:30 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 23:33 +0000
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:55 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 10:52 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:08 -0700
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:17 +0000
                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 19:56 +0000
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 06:26 -0700
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:23 -0700
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-21 17:21 +0200
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 11:32 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:30 +0200
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 22:05 -0700
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 22:39 -0700
                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 22:56 -0700
                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 23:00 -0700
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:13 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 23:20 -0700
                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:32 -0700
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-22 07:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 11:06 -0700
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-22 11:11 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-22 20:39 +0000
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 12:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 12:56 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 13:24 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-22 08:29 -0700
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-22 08:49 -0700
                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-22 18:00 +0200
                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 10:05 -0700
                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 10:11 -0700
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 12:09 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 14:52 -0700
                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 12:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 12:37 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 13:20 -0700
                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-24 02:48 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 22:20 +0200
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 14:53 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 23:54 -0700
                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 10:37 -0700
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-24 13:45 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 14:04 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-24 15:48 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 16:09 -0700
                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 16:53 -0700
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 00:21 +0000
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 05:29 -0700
                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 07:31 -0700
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 08:06 -0700
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 08:21 -0700
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-25 18:13 +0200
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 09:59 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:56 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:27 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:31 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:01 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 08:22 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 12:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 14:03 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-26 21:48 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:53 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-25 12:53 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:33 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 04:47 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:34 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-26 10:33 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 10:00 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-26 13:14 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-26 22:11 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:34 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-27 12:01 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:04 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:34 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:20 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:49 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:16 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-26 18:39 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-26 18:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:40 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:53 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:22 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:49 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 14:21 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 21:34 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 23:34 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 21:50 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-29 05:25 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:06 +0000
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:16 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 07:39 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:52 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:49 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 14:45 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:51 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 08:11 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 09:22 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:01 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 16:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:03 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 10:23 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:34 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:38 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 18:33 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 14:26 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 14:56 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 04:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 05:42 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-28 06:12 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:55 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:56 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 21:55 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-26 15:50 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 12:00 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 14:39 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 08:48 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 09:06 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-28 20:35 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-28 11:49 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 15:47 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:47 -0700
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-25 21:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 09:16 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:33 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:06 -0700
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:38 +0200
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 21:32 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 10:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:00 -0700
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 14:18 -0700
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-25 21:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 15:54 +0000
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-26 22:41 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:44 +0000
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:59 -0700
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 12:47 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:14 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 14:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 09:31 -0700
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 19:44 +0200
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 13:11 -0700
                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:53 -0700
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 12:52 -0700
                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 04:32 +0200
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 00:12 -0500
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 22:59 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:28 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 11:52 -0500
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:25 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-25 05:36 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:05 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-25 18:24 +0200
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:12 +0200
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 19:10 -0500
                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 09:19 -0700
                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:37 +0000
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 19:02 -0500
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 07:30 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-25 15:07 +0000
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:01 -0500
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 08:02 -0700
                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:05 -0500
                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 07:14 -0700
                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 09:54 -0700
                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 10:04 -0700
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 10:18 -0700
                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 12:58 -0700
                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 15:09 -0700
                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 08:20 -0700
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 09:57 -0700
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:16 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 14:41 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 06:59 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 07:42 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 08:26 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 09:05 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 09:36 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 09:58 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:30 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 23:20 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:27 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 15:03 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 08:29 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 09:33 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 10:16 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 10:52 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 11:00 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 11:04 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 13:16 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 13:43 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 14:02 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-29 14:09 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 17:27 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 04:39 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-29 21:58 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-30 03:49 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 05:55 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 06:40 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 08:23 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 10:21 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-30 19:30 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 11:00 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 13:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 13:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-30 21:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 08:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-01 16:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 10:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 17:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-01 18:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 13:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 02:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-01 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 10:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-01 10:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 13:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 13:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:04 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-01 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 03:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 15:27 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 08:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-01 04:10 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-30 11:18 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 13:12 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 13:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 14:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 15:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-10-01 09:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 17:39 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 20:58 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 20:52 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 20:53 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 14:20 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 21:32 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-02 17:14 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 07:10 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 07:28 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 08:21 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 08:52 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:14 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 09:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 17:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 12:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 14:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 21:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 20:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 10:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 12:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-06 07:41 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-10-06 21:50 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 15:38 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-03 16:57 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:13 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:30 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-01 22:25 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-01 22:53 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:31 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:54 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-02 14:31 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 15:24 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:55 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:10 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:26 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Burton Callanan <uuu@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 15:26 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-02 14:23 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 12:51 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 11:54 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 19:08 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:34 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:01 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:38 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 17:58 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 14:17 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:13 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:37 -0700
                                                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 17:13 +0000
                                                                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:45 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 03:42 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 21:57 -0700
                                                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:23 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 00:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:11 -0700
                                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:14 +0200
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:02 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 18:31 -0700
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 03:14 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 10:39 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 10:21 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:31 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 10:49 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:35 +0000
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 15:39 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:28 +0000
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-18 07:13 -0700
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 18:02 +0000
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-16 22:09 +0200
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-16 22:15 +0200
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 13:52 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 17:26 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 10:03 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:11 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-17 10:21 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:24 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-17 10:39 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:57 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 15:03 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 22:16 +0000
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 15:38 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:10 +0000
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 16:20 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 17:27 +0000
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-17 08:22 +0200
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-16 23:58 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:01 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 14:45 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:13 +0000
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 17:10 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:43 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 09:39 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:51 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 10:59 -0700
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:23 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 13:36 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 22:42 +0200
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 21:55 +0000
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:14 -0700
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:17 +0000
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:28 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 19:36 +0000
                                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:26 -0700
                                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 12:46 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-18 22:38 +0200
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 14:23 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 22:12 +0000
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:45 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:33 +0000
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:59 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 08:34 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:11 -0700
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:55 +0000
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-21 09:48 -0700
                                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 20:03 +0000
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 20:44 +0000
                                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 13:44 -0700
                                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 23:23 +0000
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:29 +0000
                                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 06:57 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:28 -0700
                                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-21 10:54 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-19 15:05 +0200
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 07:04 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-19 07:46 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 09:42 -0700
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:57 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:35 +0000
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:31 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:40 +0000
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:18 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:15 +0000
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:47 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 22:09 +0000
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:37 -0700
                        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:12 -0700
                          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:26 +0000
                            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:16 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 21:47 +0000
                                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 03:15 -0700
                              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 17:57 -0700
                      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:40 +0000
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:34 +0000
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:09 +0000
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:04 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:19 -0700
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:10 -0700
              Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:23 -0700
                Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:01 -0700
                  Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 11:58 -0700
                    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-18 12:33 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 01:09 -0700
    Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 10:00 -0700
      Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 23:03 +0000
        Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:29 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:22 +0000
            Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:12 +0000
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 10:33 -0700
          Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:20 +0000

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#473035

FromDirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com>
Date2018-09-25 18:24 +0200
Message-ID<podngj$t1e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#473005
Op 25-sep-2018 om 16:05 schreef Edward Prochak:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Ed Lake wrote:
>>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
>>>>>>    And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
>>>>>> which is just plain NUTS.
>>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
>>>>
>>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
>>>
>>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
>>> CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
>>
>> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR
>> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
> 
> You don't consider the Muon test a validation of the symmetrical nature
> of the lorentz transformation? (I trust your opinion.) I think it is
> the most direct measurement.

A reciprocity measurement of muons living longer for us,
would be that you effectively ride *with* a muon and measure
*our* clocks. That hasn't been done, and in that strict
sense indeed there is no direct confirmation of reciprocal
"time dilation". We infer it from the theory.
Dropping Ed Lake from a tower and checking whether he falls
to the ground has not been done either. We infer it from
the theory.

Dirk Vdm

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#473056

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-25 20:12 +0200
Message-ID<a56bf504-03e3-c7bf-f96c-9fee4e6babd2@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#473005
Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Ed Lake wrote:
>>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
>>>>>>   And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
>>>>>> which is just plain NUTS.
>>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
>>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
>>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
>>> CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
>> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR 
>> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
> 
> You don't consider the Muon test a validation of the symmetrical nature
> of the lorentz transformation?

Probably he does.  I certainly do.  But Tom is correct to point out that
this is not equivalent to a test of “*reciprocal* *time dilation*”.

> (I trust your opinion.) I think it is the most direct measurement.

(Testing) Lorentz symmetry *in general* was not the issue here.

> But I guess you can argue it happens within a gravitational field,
> so you might still have to sort out GR effects?

No, fortunately they are negligibly small on/near Earth.

> yeah the cleanest test is the two spaceships passing in interstellar
> space. Can't wait for near lightspeed interstellar travel.

Conventionally, and using classical mechanics only, that is not going
to happen.  The energy requirements are simply prohibitively high.

However, it is also not necessary in order to confirm reciprocal time dilation.

It is a common misconception that relativistic effects, i.e. effects
predicted by the theories of relativity, would only occur at what is often
called “relativistic speeds”, i.e. speeds close to the speed of light.  But
that is NOT so.  For example, with

  dτ = γ dt,

then

  dt = dτ∕γ

and

  (dt < dτ) ← γ(v) := 1∕√(1 − v²∕c²) > 1 ← (v > 0)!

It merely is a matter of the precision of measurement.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#473092

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-09-25 19:10 -0500
Message-ID<j9SdnW5AMPX8UzfGnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#473056
On 9/25/18 1:12 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Edward Prochak wrote:
>> Can't wait for near lightspeed interstellar travel.
> 
> Conventionally, and using classical mechanics only, that is not going
> to happen.  The energy requirements are simply prohibitively high.

Yes. And also: a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light 
relative to the intergalactic medium would be destroyed very quickly by 
interactions with it.

> It is a common misconception that relativistic effects, i.e. effects
> predicted by the theories of relativity, would only occur at what is often
> called “relativistic speeds”, i.e. speeds close to the speed of light.  But
> that is NOT so.  

Yes. I have been trying to get funding for a test of SR's relativity of 
simultaneity, using a 5-meter-long rod hung from the ceiling and 
swinging at ~ 1 m/s. This is first order in v/c, and modern lasers can 
be EXTREMELY accurate.

	Anyone want to donate ~ $20k?

Tom Roberts

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#473162

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-26 09:19 -0700
Message-ID<10b752fa-7724-4f73-acc1-599d759a2a26@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473092
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:10:15 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 9/25/18 1:12 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Edward Prochak wrote:
> >> Can't wait for near lightspeed interstellar travel.
> > 
> > Conventionally, and using classical mechanics only, that is not going
> > to happen.  The energy requirements are simply prohibitively high.
> 
> Yes. And also: a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light 
> relative to the intergalactic medium would be destroyed very quickly by 
> interactions with it.

Yet photons routinely travel AT the speed of light but are NOT destroyed 
by any "interactions" with any "intergalactic medium."  Whyzat?

Ed

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#473174

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-09-26 17:37 +0000
Message-ID<pogg5i$k5n$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#473162
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:

>On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:10:15 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 9/25/18 1:12 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> > Edward Prochak wrote:
>> >> Can't wait for near lightspeed interstellar travel.
>> > 
>> > Conventionally, and using classical mechanics only, that is not going
>> > to happen.  The energy requirements are simply prohibitively high.
>> 
>> Yes. And also: a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light 
>> relative to the intergalactic medium would be destroyed very quickly by 
>> interactions with it.

>Yet photons routinely travel AT the speed of light but are NOT destroyed 
>by any "interactions" with any "intergalactic medium."  Whyzat?

They often are absorbed by something.

But remember, you are comparing a single photon to a macroscopic spaceship
moving at near c where the collision with a single dust grain at near c
may produce significant damage with energy equivalent to a small nuclear
explosion.

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#473198

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-26 13:13 -0700
Message-ID<cd6d998c-af72-45ed-9c1b-daca49e9345c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473174
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
> 
> >On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:10:15 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> >> On 9/25/18 1:12 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> > Edward Prochak wrote:
> >> >> Can't wait for near lightspeed interstellar travel.
> >> > 
> >> > Conventionally, and using classical mechanics only, that is not going
> >> > to happen.  The energy requirements are simply prohibitively high.
> >> 
> >> Yes. And also: a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light 
> >> relative to the intergalactic medium would be destroyed very quickly by 
> >> interactions with it.
> 
> >Yet photons routinely travel AT the speed of light but are NOT destroyed 
> >by any "interactions" with any "intergalactic medium."  Whyzat?
> 
> They often are absorbed by something.

But all the photons we see coming from distant galaxies were NOT absorbed 
by anything.  That is why we can see them.

> 
> But remember, you are comparing a single photon to a macroscopic spaceship
> moving at near c where the collision with a single dust grain at near c
> may produce significant damage with energy equivalent to a small nuclear
> explosion.

That's why they had deflector shields on their space ships in Star Trek and 
Star Wars.  But, a grain of dust hitting a spaceship at near c will just 
punch a grain-of-dust sized hole in the spaceship's hull.  It cannot trigger 
a nuclear explosion.  A nuclear explosion requires a chain reaction, and 
there is nothing in the hull of a ship that will cause a chain reaction.

Ed

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#473090

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-09-25 19:02 -0500
Message-ID<jIqdnTfIS4U6UTfGnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#473005
On 9/25/18 9:05 AM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR
>> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
> 
> You don't consider the Muon test a validation of the symmetrical nature
> of the lorentz transformation? 

It is not a test of RECIPROCAL "time dilation", because the muon does 
not make any measurements of earthbound clocks.

Of course for consistency with the first postulate of SR, we must invoke 
"length contraction" in the muon frame to reconcile the muon frame's 
version of what is observed in the earth frame.

Gravity has nothing to do with this. For a muon traveling at > 0.999 c, 
the effects of earth's gravitation are completely negligible.

Tom Roberts

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#473016

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-09-25 07:30 -0700
Message-ID<519c1207-a4f5-419b-8212-64c9f2aca0a4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#472977
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Ed Lake wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
> >>>>   And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
> >>>> which is just plain NUTS.
> >>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
> >>
> >> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
> > 
> > You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
> > CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
> 
> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR 
> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES. 
> All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between 
> inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time 
> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.

So are you saying that RECIPROCAL “time dilation” is not observed on earth because there is no inertial frame exists on earth????

> 
> There certainly are predictions of SR that have never been DIRECTLY 
> confirmed. What is important is that a) there are no predictions of SR 
> that have been refuted, and b) a diverse array of SR's predictions have 
> been confirmed, in many ways.
> 
> That, of course, includes the direct consequence of SR's first 
> postulate: all clocks tick at their usual rate [#] regardless of which 
> inertial frame they are at rest in. Ed Lake's fantasies to the contrary 
> are just plain wrong.
> 
> 	[#] This wording directly implies "as measured in their
> 	rest frame".
> 
> Tom Roberts

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#473027

FromHilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce>
Date2018-09-25 15:07 +0000
Message-ID<podivn$fbr$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#473016
kenseto wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation".
>> SR certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL
>> FRAMES. All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT
>> between inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time
>> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.
> 
> So are you saying that RECIPROCAL “time dilation” is not observed on
> earth because there is no inertial frame exists on earth????

Good point. Disregard local curvature index, all objects in this universe 
are in free-fall. THis being the case, everything are inertial, except 
those sitting on the surface of earth, being pushed in the upward normal 
direction by it. Thanks, keep up the good work.

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#473040

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-09-25 12:01 -0500
Message-ID<f56dnSorctB-9DfGnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#473016
On 9/25/18 9:30 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Ed Lake wrote:
>>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
>>>>>> And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL, which is just 
>>>>>> plain NUTS.
>>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
>>>> 
>>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments
>>>> confirm it.
>>> 
>>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and 
>>> observations CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
>> 
>> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR 
>> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES. All 
>> the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between inertial 
>> frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time dilation". So as 
>> usual he is wrong.
> 
> So are you saying that RECIPROCAL “time dilation” is not observed on earth 
> because there is no inertial frame exists on earth????

No. I'm saying WHAT I SAID. The fact that you cannot read it is irrelevant.

IOW: nobody has yet managed to construct two inertial frames [#] and measure
"time dilation" in both ways between them.

	[#] It is true that there are no inertial frames in the
	world we inhabit (gravitation from massive objects prevents
	them). But this is physics, and such perfection is not
	required -- LOCALLY inertial frames are common, and are
	sufficient for testing SR (which is, after all, now just a
	LOCAL theory).

Tom Roberts

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#473024

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-25 08:02 -0700
Message-ID<feac9cf7-229f-402a-b35e-f0018400f9a6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#472977
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > Ed Lake wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
> >>>>   And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
> >>>> which is just plain NUTS.
> >>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
> >>
> >> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
> > 
> > You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
> > CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
> 
> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR 
> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES. 
> All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between 
> inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time 
> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.

Hmm.  Interesting.  So, you claim that H&K proved NOTHING because they 
were not in "inertial frames" as they flew around the world, accelerating 
and decelerating and changing altitudes?

And that appears to mean that you think Hafele and Keating were just more 
incompetents who did not understand relativity, since they claimed that 
their experiments DID confirm velocity and gravitational time dilation.

And when I agree with Hafele and Keating you somehow believe that I am 
ALONE in what I claim about their experiments.

> 
> There certainly are predictions of SR that have never been DIRECTLY 
> confirmed. What is important is that a) there are no predictions of SR 
> that have been refuted, and b) a diverse array of SR's predictions have 
> been confirmed, in many ways.

And you think that Hafele and Keating and the people at the NIST are 
INCOMPETENTS because they claim that moving clocks and clocks at lower 
altitudes run slower.

> 
> That, of course, includes the direct consequence of SR's first 
> postulate: all clocks tick at their usual rate [#] regardless of which 
> inertial frame they are at rest in. Ed Lake's fantasies to the contrary 
> are just plain wrong.
> 
> 	[#] This wording directly implies "as measured in their
> 	rest frame".
> 
> Tom Roberts

I FULLY AGREE that all clocks tick at "their usual rate" "as measured in 
their rest frame."  Their "usual rate" has been defined as measuring a "second" 
as "the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to 
the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the 
cesium 133 atom."

Atomic clocks tick at that rate when stationary, when moving and when at 
different altitudes. They are BUILT to do so.  They are BUILT to CHANGE their 
tick rates at different altitudes and at different velocities so they will 
ALWAYS COUNT one second to be "9 192 631 770 periods."

Einstein's theories say that TIME IS VARIABLE IN DIFFERENT FRAMES, 
so when the LENGTH OF A SECOND is compared between "rest frames," it will 
take LONGER to count "9 192 631 770 periods" at the bottom of a mountain 
versus at the top, and it will take LONGER to count "9 192 631 770 periods" 
when moving than when "stationary."  That way "one second" is always 
"9 192 631 770 periods."

You may disagree, Tom, but that is how atomic clocks work.

Ed  

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#473041

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-09-25 12:05 -0500
Message-ID<y_ednQcLdop69zfGnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#473024
On 9/25/18 10:02 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Ed Lake wrote:
>>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
>>>>>>    And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
>>>>>> which is just plain NUTS.
>>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
>>>>
>>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
>>>
>>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
>>> CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
>>
>> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR
>> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
>> All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between
>> inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time
>> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.
> 
> Hmm.  Interesting.  So, you claim that H&K proved NOTHING because they
> were not in "inertial frames" as they flew around the world, accelerating
> and decelerating and changing altitudes?

NOT AT ALL. I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. You need to learn how to read; in 
particular, how to read WITHOUT imposing your personal fantasies onto the author.

It's just that one CANNOT use SR to analyze the H&K experiment; one must use GR, 
AS THEY DID. DUH!

> [... further nonsense ignored]

Tom Roberts

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#473134

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-26 07:14 -0700
Message-ID<a89c94a8-9a4f-4772-bcef-607e1c2f618d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473041
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 9/25/18 10:02 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> >> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> Ed Lake wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
> >>>>>>    And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
> >>>>>> which is just plain NUTS.
> >>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
> >>>>
> >>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
> >>>
> >>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
> >>> CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
> >>
> >> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR
> >> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
> >> All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between
> >> inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time
> >> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.
> > 
> > Hmm.  Interesting.  So, you claim that H&K proved NOTHING because they
> > were not in "inertial frames" as they flew around the world, accelerating
> > and decelerating and changing altitudes?
> 
> NOT AT ALL. I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. You need to learn how to read; in 
> particular, how to read WITHOUT imposing your personal fantasies onto the author.
> 
> It's just that one CANNOT use SR to analyze the H&K experiment; one must use GR, 
> AS THEY DID. DUH!

Their first paper says, "From the actual flight paths of each trip, the 
theory predicts that the flying clocks, compared with reference clocks at 
the U.S. Naval Observatory, should have lost 40 ± 23 nanoseconds during the 
eastward trip, and should have gained 275 + 21 nanoseconds during the westward 
trip."

You appear to be saying that comparing "flying clocks" to "reference clocks" 
that are not flying is not a SR experiment.  H&K say otherwise.

The abstract for their second paper is as follows:

"Four cesium beam clocks flown around the world on commercial jet flights 
during October 1971, once eastward and once westward, recorded directionally 
dependent time differences which are in good agreement with predictions of 
conventional relativity theory. Relative to the atomic time scale of the 
U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59 ± 10 nanoseconds during the 
eastward trip and gained 273 + 7 nanoseconds during the westward trip, where 
the errors are the corresponding standard deviations. These results provide 
an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock "paradox" with 
macroscopic clocks."

Again they are saying they compared "clocks flown around the world" relative 
"to the atomic time scale of he U.S. Naval Observatory."  It is a test of 
SPECIAL relativity.  PERIOD.

And they are saying that there is nothing reciprocal involved, so "the results 
provide an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock 'paradox"."

In other words, their experiments showed there is no reciprocal velocity time 
dilation and thus no "paradox."

Ed

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#473165

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2018-09-26 09:54 -0700
Message-ID<c74cc3a1-ba43-471f-a771-f29dd78fc604@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473134
El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 11:14:31 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> > On 9/25/18 10:02 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> > >> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > >>> Ed Lake wrote:
> > >>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > >>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
> > >>>>>>    And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
> > >>>>>> which is just plain NUTS.
> > >>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
> > >>>
> > >>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
> > >>> CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
> > >>
> > >> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR
> > >> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
> > >> All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between
> > >> inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time
> > >> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.
> > > 
> > > Hmm.  Interesting.  So, you claim that H&K proved NOTHING because they
> > > were not in "inertial frames" as they flew around the world, accelerating
> > > and decelerating and changing altitudes?
> > 
> > NOT AT ALL. I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. You need to learn how to read; in 
> > particular, how to read WITHOUT imposing your personal fantasies onto the author.
> > 
> > It's just that one CANNOT use SR to analyze the H&K experiment; one must use GR, 
> > AS THEY DID. DUH!
> 
> Their first paper says, "From the actual flight paths of each trip, the 
> theory predicts that the flying clocks, compared with reference clocks at 
> the U.S. Naval Observatory, should have lost 40 ± 23 nanoseconds during the 
> eastward trip, and should have gained 275 + 21 nanoseconds during the westward 
> trip."
> 
> You appear to be saying that comparing "flying clocks" to "reference clocks" 
> that are not flying is not a SR experiment.  H&K say otherwise.
> 
> The abstract for their second paper is as follows:
> 
> "Four cesium beam clocks flown around the world on commercial jet flights 
> during October 1971, once eastward and once westward, recorded directionally 
> dependent time differences which are in good agreement with predictions of 
> conventional relativity theory. Relative to the atomic time scale of the 
> U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59 ± 10 nanoseconds during the 
> eastward trip and gained 273 + 7 nanoseconds during the westward trip, where 
> the errors are the corresponding standard deviations. These results provide 
> an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock "paradox" with 
> macroscopic clocks."
> 
> Again they are saying they compared "clocks flown around the world" relative 
> "to the atomic time scale of he U.S. Naval Observatory."  It is a test of 
> SPECIAL relativity.  PERIOD.
> 

This is so wrong and demonstrates that you do not read the papers you cite.

Take a look at table 1 of the Science paper, where they present the "predicted
relativistic time differences". There is a gravitational part and also a
kinematic part and the combined value. 

They are using GR to calculate those numbers!!!!


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#473168

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-26 10:04 -0700
Message-ID<4ec66e60-da4c-4930-acef-17e360f15936@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473165
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 11:54:46 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 11:14:31 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> > > On 9/25/18 10:02 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:12:52 AM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> > > >> On 9/24/18 9:32 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > > >>> Ed Lake wrote:
> > > >>>> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 1:34:52 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > > >>>>> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes:
> > > >>>>>>    And the math says that time dilation is RECIPROCAL,
> > > >>>>>> which is just plain NUTS.
> > > >>>>> Why is it 'nuts' if experiments never refute it?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It is NUTS because ALL experiments refute it and NO experiments confirm it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You have it completely backwards.  In fact, ALL experiments and observations
> > > >>> CONFIRM it and NONE refutes it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm. I know of no direct confirmation of RECIPROCAL "time dilation". SR
> > > >> certainly requires reciprocal "time dilation" BETWEEN INERTIAL FRAMES.
> > > >> All the experiments Ed Lake fantasizes refute it are NOT between
> > > >> inertial frames, and are not predicted to have reciprocal "time
> > > >> dilation". So as usual he is wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > Hmm.  Interesting.  So, you claim that H&K proved NOTHING because they
> > > > were not in "inertial frames" as they flew around the world, accelerating
> > > > and decelerating and changing altitudes?
> > > 
> > > NOT AT ALL. I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. You need to learn how to read; in 
> > > particular, how to read WITHOUT imposing your personal fantasies onto the author.
> > > 
> > > It's just that one CANNOT use SR to analyze the H&K experiment; one must use GR, 
> > > AS THEY DID. DUH!
> > 
> > Their first paper says, "From the actual flight paths of each trip, the 
> > theory predicts that the flying clocks, compared with reference clocks at 
> > the U.S. Naval Observatory, should have lost 40 ± 23 nanoseconds during the 
> > eastward trip, and should have gained 275 + 21 nanoseconds during the westward 
> > trip."
> > 
> > You appear to be saying that comparing "flying clocks" to "reference clocks" 
> > that are not flying is not a SR experiment.  H&K say otherwise.
> > 
> > The abstract for their second paper is as follows:
> > 
> > "Four cesium beam clocks flown around the world on commercial jet flights 
> > during October 1971, once eastward and once westward, recorded directionally 
> > dependent time differences which are in good agreement with predictions of 
> > conventional relativity theory. Relative to the atomic time scale of the 
> > U.S. Naval Observatory, the flying clocks lost 59 ± 10 nanoseconds during the 
> > eastward trip and gained 273 + 7 nanoseconds during the westward trip, where 
> > the errors are the corresponding standard deviations. These results provide 
> > an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock "paradox" with 
> > macroscopic clocks."
> > 
> > Again they are saying they compared "clocks flown around the world" relative 
> > "to the atomic time scale of he U.S. Naval Observatory."  It is a test of 
> > SPECIAL relativity.  PERIOD.
> > 
> 
> This is so wrong and demonstrates that you do not read the papers you cite.
> 
> Take a look at table 1 of the Science paper, where they present the "predicted
> relativistic time differences". There is a gravitational part and also a
> kinematic part and the combined value. 
> 
> They are using GR to calculate those numbers!!!!

No, the "gravitational part" is GR and the "kinematic part" is SR.

"noun: kinematics

    the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of objects without reference to the forces that cause the motion."

Ed

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#473171

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2018-09-26 10:18 -0700
Message-ID<90bc859b-c7e6-4460-bbca-761dbf0bc600@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473168
El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 14:04:33 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 11:54:46 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 11:14:31 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:

> > > 
> > > Again they are saying they compared "clocks flown around the world" relative 
> > > "to the atomic time scale of he U.S. Naval Observatory."  It is a test of 
> > > SPECIAL relativity.  PERIOD.
> > > 
> > 
> > This is so wrong and demonstrates that you do not read the papers you cite.
> > 
> > Take a look at table 1 of the Science paper, where they present the "predicted
> > relativistic time differences". There is a gravitational part and also a
> > kinematic part and the combined value. 
> > 
> > They are using GR to calculate those numbers!!!!
> 
> No, the "gravitational part" is GR and the "kinematic part" is SR.
> 
> "noun: kinematics
> 
>     the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of objects without reference to the forces that cause the motion."
> 
> Ed

So you recognize what you wrote above is nonsense, right?

GR is a more general theory (as its name show) than SR. But that does not mean
GR and SR are totally unrelated theories. In fact, as I have told you, GR
becomes SR when the gravity is small or absent.

This means Hafele-Keating did use GR for predicting their results, PERIOD.

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#473194

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-26 12:58 -0700
Message-ID<db4a2f54-adaf-49a9-86b5-dda757b2aa12@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473171
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 14:04:33 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 11:54:46 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > > El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 11:14:31 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> 
> > > > 
> > > > Again they are saying they compared "clocks flown around the world" relative 
> > > > "to the atomic time scale of he U.S. Naval Observatory."  It is a test of 
> > > > SPECIAL relativity.  PERIOD.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > This is so wrong and demonstrates that you do not read the papers you cite.
> > > 
> > > Take a look at table 1 of the Science paper, where they present the "predicted
> > > relativistic time differences". There is a gravitational part and also a
> > > kinematic part and the combined value. 
> > > 
> > > They are using GR to calculate those numbers!!!!
> > 
> > No, the "gravitational part" is GR and the "kinematic part" is SR.
> > 
> > "noun: kinematics
> > 
> >     the branch of mechanics concerned with the motion of objects without reference to the forces that cause the motion."
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> So you recognize what you wrote above is nonsense, right?
> 
> GR is a more general theory (as its name show) than SR. But that does not mean
> GR and SR are totally unrelated theories. In fact, as I have told you, GR
> becomes SR when the gravity is small or absent.

Where or when is gravity "absent"? 

SR is "special" and GR is "general."  SR is like an exception to the rule.
Both slow down time, but SR does it in a different way than GR.  
 
> 
> This means Hafele-Keating did use GR for predicting their results, PERIOD.

If you believe that, then you fail to understand what they did.  They 
weren't concerned with proving that gravity slows down time, their 
experiment was DESIGNED to show that VELOCITY SHOWS DOWN TIME.  They 
designed their experiment to show that the "Paradoxers" are WRONG in 
believing that there is a "paradox" (a conflict with the First Postulate) 
if time moves at different rates in different frames of reference.

They confirmed that traveling at different velocities results in different 
amount of time dilation. 

Ed

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#473218

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2018-09-26 15:09 -0700
Message-ID<a04be29b-c1ec-424f-af15-4255116ca983@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473194
El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 16:58:20 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:

> > So you recognize what you wrote above is nonsense, right?
> > 
> > GR is a more general theory (as its name show) than SR. But that does not mean
> > GR and SR are totally unrelated theories. In fact, as I have told you, GR
> > becomes SR when the gravity is small or absent.
> 
> Where or when is gravity "absent"? 
> 

In general into the interstellar space, where the density of matter is extremely
low, the effect of gravity is negligible.

In Earth, within the space of a physics laboratory, the effect of the Earth mass
is also negligible.

> SR is "special" and GR is "general."  SR is like an exception to the rule.
> Both slow down time, but SR does it in a different way than GR.  
>  

That is not even wrong!! Both SR and GR are models which try to explain
observations of Nature.

> > 
> > This means Hafele-Keating did use GR for predicting their results, PERIOD.
> 
> If you believe that, then you fail to understand what they did.  They 
> weren't concerned with proving that gravity slows down time, their 
> experiment was DESIGNED to show that VELOCITY SHOWS DOWN TIME.  They 
> designed their experiment to show that the "Paradoxers" are WRONG in 
> believing that there is a "paradox" (a conflict with the First Postulate) 
> if time moves at different rates in different frames of reference.
> 
> They confirmed that traveling at different velocities results in different 
> amount of time dilation. 
> 
> Ed

You, again and again, show the world how little of this you understand.

In the Hafele-Keating experiment, the contribution of gravity was on the same
order of magnitude than the contribution of speed

The predicted gained nanoseconds (comparison of clocks after they reunited):

Gravitational East 144 nanoseconds; West 179 nanoseocnds
Kinematic  East -184 nano seconds; West  96 nanoseconds
Net  East -40 nanoseconds; West 275 nanoseconds

The measured gained nanoseconds

Net  East -59 nanoseconds; West 273 nanoseconds

It is evident BOTH gravity and speed contributed to the result. That means
General Relativity.

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#473261

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-27 08:20 -0700
Message-ID<04d8e0a9-fb23-4910-afb0-c58827a73382@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473218
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 16:58:20 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> 
> > > So you recognize what you wrote above is nonsense, right?
> > > 
> > > GR is a more general theory (as its name show) than SR. But that does not mean
> > > GR and SR are totally unrelated theories. In fact, as I have told you, GR
> > > becomes SR when the gravity is small or absent.
> > 
> > Where or when is gravity "absent"? 
> > 
> 
> In general into the interstellar space, where the density of matter is extremely
> low, the effect of gravity is negligible.

Negligible but still there.

> 
> In Earth, within the space of a physics laboratory, the effect of the Earth mass
> is also negligible.

"In earth"?  Do you mean ON Earth?  You seem to be saying that in a physics 
laboratory gravity is negligible.  That is absurd.  There has to be some 
language/translation problem.

> 
> > SR is "special" and GR is "general."  SR is like an exception to the rule.
> > Both slow down time, but SR does it in a different way than GR.  
> >  
> 
> That is not even wrong!! Both SR and GR are models which try to explain
> observations of Nature.
> 
> > > 
> > > This means Hafele-Keating did use GR for predicting their results, PERIOD.
> > 
> > If you believe that, then you fail to understand what they did.  They 
> > weren't concerned with proving that gravity slows down time, their 
> > experiment was DESIGNED to show that VELOCITY SHOWS DOWN TIME.  They 
> > designed their experiment to show that the "Paradoxers" are WRONG in 
> > believing that there is a "paradox" (a conflict with the First Postulate) 
> > if time moves at different rates in different frames of reference.
> > 
> > They confirmed that traveling at different velocities results in different 
> > amount of time dilation. 
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> You, again and again, show the world how little of this you understand.
> 
> In the Hafele-Keating experiment, the contribution of gravity was on the same
> order of magnitude than the contribution of speed

Not true.  

> 
> The predicted gained nanoseconds (comparison of clocks after they reunited):
> 
> Gravitational East 144 nanoseconds; West 179 nanoseocnds
> Kinematic  East -184 nano seconds; West  96 nanoseconds
> Net  East -40 nanoseconds; West 275 nanoseconds
> 
> The measured gained nanoseconds
> 
> Net  East -59 nanoseconds; West 273 nanoseconds
> 
> It is evident BOTH gravity and speed contributed to the result. That means
> General Relativity.

What the data says is that gravity had a minor effect on the experiment. 
The significant effect is due to velocity time dilation.

Ed

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#473267

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2018-09-27 09:57 -0700
Message-ID<9b36c224-5b9f-49cd-8fb7-dd88d07d4649@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473261
El jueves, 27 de septiembre de 2018, 12:20:08 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > El miércoles, 26 de septiembre de 2018, 16:58:20 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > > On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > 
> > > > So you recognize what you wrote above is nonsense, right?
> > > > 
> > > > GR is a more general theory (as its name show) than SR. But that does not mean
> > > > GR and SR are totally unrelated theories. In fact, as I have told you, GR
> > > > becomes SR when the gravity is small or absent.
> > > 
> > > Where or when is gravity "absent"? 
> > > 
> > 
> > In general into the interstellar space, where the density of matter is extremely
> > low, the effect of gravity is negligible.
> 
> Negligible but still there.
>
 
In experimental Physics, if one of the effects A is on the order of 0,1 and
the other effect B is on the order of 0,000000001, the effect of B is negligible
with respect to the effect of A. Again this is real experimental facts of Physics.

> > 
> > In Earth, within the space of a physics laboratory, the effect of the Earth mass
> > is also negligible.
> 
> "In earth"?  Do you mean ON Earth?  You seem to be saying that in a physics 
> laboratory gravity is negligible.  That is absurd.  There has to be some 
> language/translation problem.
> 

The ground is inside the atmosphere, right?

Our laser table is 8 by 16 feet, and  you can be sure the gravity at one of
the ends of the table is exactly the same than the gravity at the other end.

You clearly have never been into a physics lab, do you?

> > 
> > You, again and again, show the world how little of this you understand.
> > 
> > In the Hafele-Keating experiment, the contribution of gravity was on the same
> > order of magnitude than the contribution of speed
> 
> Not true.  
> 

Yes it is true, as you could see if you read the papers.

> > 
> > The predicted gained nanoseconds (comparison of clocks after they reunited):
> > 
> > Gravitational East 144 nanoseconds; West 179 nanoseocnds
> > Kinematic  East -184 nano seconds; West  96 nanoseconds
> > Net  East -40 nanoseconds; West 275 nanoseconds
> > 
> > The measured gained nanoseconds
> > 
> > Net  East -59 nanoseconds; West 273 nanoseconds
> > 
> > It is evident BOTH gravity and speed contributed to the result. That means
> > General Relativity.
> 
> What the data says is that gravity had a minor effect on the experiment. 
> The significant effect is due to velocity time dilation.
> 

That the gravity gains are of the same order or larger than the kinematic
gains, clearly show you are wrong.

Furthermore, you may notice that the predicted gravity gains are different
for the eastward and westward directions. Do you know why is that?

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