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Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz

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  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 16:53 -0700
    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 22:17 -0700
      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:58 -0700
        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Jeanclaude Erald <urdu@iufienv.vu> - 2018-09-01 18:10 +0000
          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 21:07 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:58 +0000
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-09-02 10:28 -0400
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 20:38 +0000
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 10:38 -0700
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 23:20 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 09:23 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 16:54 +0000
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 13:11 -0700
          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:29 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 10:34 -0700
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 17:36 +0000
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 23:12 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 09:19 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 16:53 +0000
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 13:10 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:04 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 17:05 -0700
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 20:10 -0700
                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:42 -0700
                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 00:55 -0700
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:43 -0700
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 05:30 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 15:10 +0000
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 11:55 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 09:27 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 12:06 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 19:21 +0000
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 14:40 -0700
                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-06 15:20 +0000
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 12:50 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 20:40 +0000
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 23:21 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 15:08 +0000
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 13:01 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 16:59 -0700
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 20:09 -0700
                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 22:41 -0700
                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 00:11 -0700
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-05 00:51 -0700
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 09:39 -0700
                              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:15 -0700
                                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 14:07 -0700
                                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 22:13 +0000
                                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:52 -0700
                                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:35 -0700
                                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:56 -0700
                                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 15:49 -0700
                                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 16:01 -0700
                                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 16:48 -0700
                                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 22:42 -0700
                                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 23:32 -0700
                                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:04 -0700
                                              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 13:13 -0700
                                                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:01 -0700
                                                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 22:05 -0700
                                                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:35 -0700
                                                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:39 -0700
                                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-06 15:29 +0000
                                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:19 -0700
                                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 16:47 +0000
                                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 13:32 -0700
                                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:14 +0000
                                              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 13:45 +0200
                                                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Lorent Regoiree <euap@ewghpq.gp> - 2018-09-08 12:17 +0000
                                                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 14:30 +0200
                                                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-08 16:08 +0000
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-06 15:24 +0000
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:18 -0700
                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:53 -0700
                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:57 -0700
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 12:40 -0700
                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 11:08 -0700
                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 13:01 -0700
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-06 20:13 +0000
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-06 20:19 +0000
                              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 13:50 -0700
                                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:02 -0700
                                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 18:48 +0000
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:55 -0700
                              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 17:20 +0000
                                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 14:22 -0700
                                  Koobee's revisionist history (was: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 00:26 +0000
                        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 18:45 +0000
                          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 13:36 -0700
                            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:22 +0000
                              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:27 +0000
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 09:31 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 09:41 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:26 -0700
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:38 -0700
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 18:17 +0000
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 16:59 +0000
        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 11:40 -0700
          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 21:19 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 10:29 -0700
          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:42 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 10:31 -0700
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 17:34 +0000
        Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 14:24 +0200
          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 23:04 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 05:57 +0200
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 21:02 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 19:36 +0200
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:11 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 21:14 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 21:52 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 06:57 +0200
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:29 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 22:32 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 19:06 +0200
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 13:34 -0700
          Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 14:45 -0700
            Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 22:35 -0700
              Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 07:20 -0700
                Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 10:47 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:19 -0700
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:31 -0700
                  Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 20:00 +0000
                    Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 13:21 -0700
                      Re: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 12:03 -0700

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#470667

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 13:50 -0700
Message-ID<7ca0f893-a98a-4f38-90e0-37d2b316c646@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470661
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-7, Haných Ltskáš wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> > It was not only _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous
> >> > approaches at providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc,
> >> > like the Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.
> 
> Interpretation, as added ulterior by his Roy Masters.

It's not an interpretation, just read Einstein's 1905 paper.

--
Jan

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#470789

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 22:02 -0700
Message-ID<318122ae-d292-44aa-88d7-924c42e5cdde@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470667
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:50:34 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:50:34 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:04:16 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>
> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>
> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>
> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> It's not an interpretation, just read Einstein's 1905 paper.

That paper of Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar had full of errors, confusions, and plagiarisms.  <shrug>

Is there any doubt that the Orwellian philosophy is well indoctrinated among the Einstein dingleberries?  <shrug>

**           FAITH IS LOGIC
**           LYING IS TEACHING
**           NOISE IS COHERENCY
**          DECEIT IS VALIDATION
**          NITWIT IS GENIUS
**          OCCULT IS SCIENCE
**         FICTION IS HISTORY
**         FUDGING IS DERIVATION
**         PARADOX IS KOSHER
**        BULLSHIT IS TRUTH
**        RELIGION IS SCIENCE
**       ARROGANCE IS SAGE
**       BELIEVING IS LEARNING
**       FRUITCAKE IS GURU
**       IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
**       MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
**       SCRIPTURE IS AXIOM
**      CONJECTURE IS THEORY
**      HANDWAVING IS REASONING
**      PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
**      PRIESTHOOD IS TENURE
**     DEIFICATION IS ADMIRATION
**     FRAUDULENCE IS FACT
**     MATHEMAGICS IS MATHEMATICS
**     SPECULATION IS REALITY
**     WORSHIPPING IS STUDYING
**   CONTRADICTION IS INMATERIAL
**   INCONSISTENCY IS CONSISTENCY
**   MYSTIFICATION IS EDUCATION
**  INDOCTRINATION IS RATIONALIZATION
**  INTERPRETATION IS VERIFICATION
**  MISAPPLICATION IS PREDICTION
** DEMYSTIFICATION IS CONSPIRACY

<shrug>

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#470857

FromHaných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha>
Date2018-09-07 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<pmuh5p$g11$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470667
JanPB wrote:

> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-7, Haných Ltskáš wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> > It was not only _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous
>> >> > approaches at providing such physical basis had largely been ad
>> >> > hoc,
>> >> > like the Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.
>> 
>> Interpretation, as added ulterior by his Roy Masters.
> 
> It's not an interpretation, just read Einstein's 1905 paper.

Pure Poincare. But in German.

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#470782

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 21:55 -0700
Message-ID<ebf09565-bd16-439f-a558-7ac32f7ce6e1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470655
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > the queer of England wrote:

> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>
> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>
> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>
> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> This is a tantrum, not an argument.

Idiot!  <shrug>

> > > It was not only _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous
> > > approaches at providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc,
> > > like the Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.
>
> > The garbled words in the above sentence contains no historic and
> > scientific facts.  These are the words that would be uttered from the
> > idiots who worship Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar.
> > <shrug>
>
> Again, this is a tantrum, not an argument

Again, idiot!  <shrug>

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#470844

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-09-07 17:20 +0000
Message-ID<pmuc1c$9hd$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#470782
Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> writes:

>On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:

>> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
>> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
>> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

>> This is a tantrum, not an argument.

>Idiot!  <shrug>

This is a tantrum, not an argument.

>> > > It was not only _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous
>> > > approaches at providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc,
>> > > like the Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.
>>
>> > The garbled words in the above sentence contains no historic and
>> > scientific facts.  These are the words that would be uttered from the
>> > idiots who worship Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar.
>> > <shrug>
>>
>> Again, this is a tantrum, not an argument

>Again, idiot!  <shrug>

Again, this is a tantrum, not an argument

(damn, I am out of both popcorn and beer!)
(But thanks for the entertainment!)

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#470888

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-07 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<98893384-915f-49fe-a726-4cd5d0f6032d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470844
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 10:20:46 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Koobee Wublee writes:

> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>
> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>
> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>
> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> damn, I am out of both popcorn and beer! But thanks for the entertainment!

Go back to make your wooden sex toys, PD.  <shrug>

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#470908 — Koobee's revisionist history (was: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-09-08 00:26 +0000
SubjectKoobee's revisionist history (was: The Einstein Theory of Relativity by H. A. Lorentz
Message-ID<pmv4vt$a67$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#470888
Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> writes:

>On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 10:20:46 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Koobee Wublee writes:

>> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
>> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
>> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
>> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>>
>> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
>> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
>> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
>> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
>> > of light, and the result is Larmor's transform where all observations
>> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>>
>> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor's transform can be simplified into
>> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
>> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>>
>> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
>> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
>> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

>> damn, I am out of both popcorn and beer! But thanks for the entertainment!

>Go back to make your wooden sex toys, PD.  <shrug>

Hahahahahaha!!!! Koobee has been messing with the quotes again and posting
a revisionist quote string! As written Koobee makes it appear as if my
'popcorn' response was to Koobee's revised history. It was not; it was in
response to Koobee's tantrum, to which Jan replied "This is a tantrum, not
an argument." upon which Koobee had another micro-tantrum. This was 
repeated a second time as well.


See: <pmuc1c$9hd$2@pcls7.std.com>:

Michael Moroney writes in <pmuc1c$9hd$2@pcls7.std.com>:
>Koobee Wublee <koobee...@gmail.com> writes:

>>On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:08:36 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:

>>> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
>>> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
>>> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

>>> This is a tantrum, not an argument.

>>Idiot!  <shrug>

>This is a tantrum, not an argument.

>>> > > It was not only _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous
>>> > > approaches at providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc,
>>> > > like the Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.
>>>
>>> > The garbled words in the above sentence contains no historic and
>>> > scientific facts.  These are the words that would be uttered from the
>>> > idiots who worship Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar.
>>> > <shrug>
>>>
>>> Again, this is a tantrum, not an argument

>>Again, idiot!  <shrug>

>Again, this is a tantrum, not an argument

>(damn, I am out of both popcorn and beer!)
>(But thanks for the entertainment!)

I'll ignore the "wooden sex toys" comment other than to say that 
apparently Koobee must think I am a combination of PD and Odd Bodkin.

Poor Koobee, repeatedly on the business end of a Size 12 Army boot!

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#470856

FromHaných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha>
Date2018-09-07 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<pmuh09$g11$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470637
JanPB wrote:

>> >> What you say looks illegit and immoral.
>> > 
>> > Looks can be deceiving.
>> 
>> We agree, that's why I am saying the stuff above.
> 
> In this case it's clearcut: it was Einstein who provided a _novel_
> physical basis for the already developed mathematics. It was not only
> _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous approaches at
> providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc, like the
> Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.

You don't like Poincare because he was French. And for the record, 
Einstein didn't realized his paper was the big deal. Why, since he was 
incapable to understand it, written in German.

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#470882

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-07 13:36 -0700
Message-ID<9df1b627-a8d7-4c3a-bfb0-1542a35f1025@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470856
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 11:45:32 AM UTC-7, Haných Ltskáš wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> >> What you say looks illegit and immoral.
> >> > 
> >> > Looks can be deceiving.
> >> 
> >> We agree, that's why I am saying the stuff above.
> > 
> > In this case it's clearcut: it was Einstein who provided a _novel_
> > physical basis for the already developed mathematics. It was not only
> > _novel_ but also surprisingly _minimal_, previous approaches at
> > providing such physical basis had largely been ad hoc, like the
> > Fitzgerald contraction hypothesis, etc.
> 
> You don't like Poincare because he was French.

I like Poincaré and I like the French (my mother was raised in France).

> And for the record, 
> Einstein didn't realized his paper was the big deal. Why, since he was 
> incapable to understand it, written in German.

For a science joke it's not too horrible.

--
Jan

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#470955

FromLorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr>
Date2018-09-08 11:22 +0000
Message-ID<pn0be3$15ko$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470882
JanPB wrote:

>> And for the record, Einstein didn't realized his paper was the big
>> deal. Why, since he was incapable to understand it, written in German.
> 
> For a science joke it's not too horrible.

Irrelevant. It proves that Einstein was not the first to understand his 
theory. Poincare did, since he cam first to say it.

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#470957

FromLorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr>
Date2018-09-08 11:27 +0000
Message-ID<pn0bnc$15ko$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470955
Lorent Regoire wrote:

> JanPB wrote:
> 
>>> And for the record, Einstein didn't realized his paper was the big
>>> deal. Why, since he was incapable to understand it, written in German.
>> 
>> For a science joke it's not too horrible.
> 
> Irrelevant. It proves that Einstein was not the first to understand his
> theory. Poincare did, since he cam first to say it.

Infact, Dr. Poincare said it clearly, applicable generally, through his 
set of equations. Einstein however, what he wrote was only about wires ans 
magnets. A totally misunderstanding of the domain of applicability. And 
there are his papers to prove it.

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#470455

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 09:31 -0700
Message-ID<90e29ebf-8443-4aaf-8177-bb8799cb65d9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470421
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 11:21:49 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 1:34:14 PM UTC-4, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>
> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>
> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>
> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> One of the uncles, yes. Not a father.

Poincare created the Lorentz transform.  Poincare is the father of SR.  Larmor was a “pre-religion” prophet to SR, and Lorentz was a “post-religion” prophet.  Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar was just a fvcking nitwit, a fvcking plagiarist, and a fvcking liar, but the Einstein dingleberries have casted Poincare aside and worship this Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar as their god.  What a bunch of fvcking morons!  <shrug>

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#470456

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 09:41 -0700
Message-ID<ee396db5-5a34-4cd8-87a1-86646fe4fa47@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470455
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 9:31:41 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 11:21:49 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 1:34:14 PM UTC-4, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
> >
> > > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
> >
> > > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
> >
> > > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>
> 
> > One of the uncles, yes. Not a father.
> 
> Poincare created the Lorentz transform.  Poincare is the father of SR.  Larmor was a “pre-religion” prophet to SR, and Lorentz was a “post-religion” prophet.  Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar was just a fvcking nitwit, a fvcking plagiarist, and a fvcking liar, but the Einstein dingleberries have casted Poincare aside and worship this Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar as their god.  What a bunch of fvcking morons!  <shrug>

Light speed is an invariant so mathematically it has a model as 
a constant.

Working out the regimes of symmetry-breaking, is much about 
symmetries then phase transitions and their infinite limits 
(re: the recent reading of Shech's "Assume a spherical cow...").

It's also neat that classically at our usual energies, 
light speed is constant.  Something like sum-of-histories 
(or sum-over-histories) and working out conservation totally 
is not so neat classically.

KW _believes_ in SR. KW, if you disagree with Einstein then 
it must be that you have some theory that disagrees with GR.
Otherwise, KW, there's interest in your derivations and the 
practicalities, and otherwise KW can make clear:  "SR is OK".

Humans are small and frail and make mistakes, but through 
tenacity and talent can achieve great things, so, Einstein's 
a hero because it's a popularization so that the masses can 
name at least one premier physicist.

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#470462

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 10:26 -0700
Message-ID<33112b5f-4318-4cba-bd84-99c17d49976a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470456
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 9:41:23 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 9:31:41 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>
> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>
> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>
> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> Light speed is an invariant so mathematically it has a model as 
> a constant.

In 1887, it was Voigt who first proposed the invariance to the speed of light in vacuum to explain the null results of the MMX.  That means the speed of light at a point in space is observed to be constant in any direction (isotropic).  <shrug>

> Working out the regimes of symmetry-breaking, is much about 
> symmetries then phase transitions and their infinite limits 
> (re: the recent reading of Shech's "Assume a spherical cow...").

The symmetry of the Lorentz transform can never be broken despite the self-styled physicists have been taunting.  Their claims can never be supported by any sound math.  The Lorentz transform written in (dt, dx, dy, dz) instead of (t, x, y, z) satisfies both the inertial and the non-inertial frames of reference.  <shrug>

> KW _believes_ in SR.

SR is fatally self-contradictory.  <shrug>

> KW, if you disagree with Einstein

Einstein was a nitwit, a plagiarist, and a liar.  The nitwit did not come up with anything that Koobee Wublee can blame the liar on except plagiarism.  <shrug>

> then it must be that you have some theory that disagrees with GR.

SR has mathematical inconsistency.  GR is at least an order of magnitude worse.  <shrug>

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#470466

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-04 10:38 -0700
Message-ID<7007f928-ea73-498c-9780-0a9ccc8ac31e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470462
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 10:26:16 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 9:41:23 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 9:31:41 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
> >
> > > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
> >
> > > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
> >
> > > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>
> 
> > Light speed is an invariant so mathematically it has a model as 
> > a constant.
> 
> In 1887, it was Voigt who first proposed the invariance to the speed of light in vacuum to explain the null results of the MMX.  That means the speed of light at a point in space is observed to be constant in any direction (isotropic).  <shrug>
> 
> > Working out the regimes of symmetry-breaking, is much about 
> > symmetries then phase transitions and their infinite limits 
> > (re: the recent reading of Shech's "Assume a spherical cow...").
> 
> The symmetry of the Lorentz transform can never be broken despite the self-styled physicists have been taunting.  Their claims can never be supported by any sound math.  The Lorentz transform written in (dt, dx, dy, dz) instead of (t, x, y, z) satisfies both the inertial and the non-inertial frames of reference.  <shrug>
> 
> > KW _believes_ in SR.
> 
> SR is fatally self-contradictory.  <shrug>
> 
> > KW, if you disagree with Einstein
> 
> Einstein was a nitwit, a plagiarist, and a liar.  The nitwit did not come up with anything that Koobee Wublee can blame the liar on except plagiarism.  <shrug>
> 
> > then it must be that you have some theory that disagrees with GR.
> 
> SR has mathematical inconsistency.  GR is at least an order of magnitude worse.  <shrug>

Ah, then:  what's inconsistent about 
"invariance to the speed of light in vacuum" 
(in deep space...)?

With what we know about gravitation and its 
effects on all massy bodies and also massless 
emissions, ..., if I say:

"invariance of the speed of light in vacuum in deep space", 

isn't that the same as "SR, and SR is local"?

Anyways please say what is wrong with SR (or 
what's wrong with the logical conclusion).


Now, about "renormalization effects" as not just about 
the error terms or space configuration (i.e. small-
angle approximation that really are large and other 
linearizations) but about that "at infinity:  it's 
attenuated" like a Lobachevsky or Riemann sphere 
(i.e. parallel postulate holds except at infinity 
where lines still don't cross but they touch, elliptical, 
or they spread, hyperbolic), then there is some mathematics 
these days being figured out about Ramsey theory and 
the infinitary with basically differences between the 
pair-wise combinatorics and eventually uniform, and continuous.

This is about that space-time is flat and Euclidean, 
"eventually" and "originally".

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#470468

FromHaných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha>
Date2018-09-04 18:17 +0000
Message-ID<pmmi7c$1c2b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470462
Koobee Wublee wrote:

>> then it must be that you have some theory that disagrees with GR.
> 
> SR has mathematical inconsistency.  GR is at least an order of magnitude
> worse.  <shrug>

Yet, under the radar for so many years. Mostly because, proper Dynamics, 
tensors and partial differential equation were as unknown those days. What 
a coincidence.

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#470460

FromHaných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha>
Date2018-09-04 16:59 +0000
Message-ID<pmmdkl$13s8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470455
Koobee Wublee wrote:

>> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
>> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
>> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>
> 
>> One of the uncles, yes. Not a father.
> 
> Poincare created the Lorentz transform.  Poincare is the father of SR.
> Larmor was a “pre-religion” prophet to SR, and Lorentz was a
> “post-religion” prophet.  Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the
> liar was just a fvcking nitwit, a fvcking plagiarist, and a fvcking
> liar, but the Einstein dingleberries have casted Poincare aside and
> worship this Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar as their
> god.  What a bunch of fvcking morons!  <shrug>

Probably yes, but there is no motive. Why should they do that all together.

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#470169

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-01 11:40 -0700
Message-ID<2131617a-7a01-45ab-8a6e-317d6f59bde0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470165
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:58:53 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:17:45 PM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > The Lorentz transform that Poincare wrote down is the same exact
> > shit as what your silly god Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist,
> > and the liar plagiarized.

> one of the GOALS of the paper was to show how the already known
> Lorentz transform could be derived from certain general principles
> rather then known merely as a certain abstract property of Maxwell's
> equations.

So, Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only derived using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>

Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations 
must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>

Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>

The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> Remember that note I wrote some time ago showing how to derive the
> electromagnetic E-M tensor from Noether's theorem? Does it mean I
> plagiarised the E-M tensor formula? Are you nuts?

Koobee Wublee does not care about your work.  Deal with that.  <shrug>

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#470198

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-01 21:19 -0700
Message-ID<2a7b96fe-6e1e-4cf5-af52-622ed5050762@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470169
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 11:40:39 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:58:53 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:17:45 PM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > The Lorentz transform that Poincare wrote down is the same exact
> > > shit as what your silly god Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist,
> > > and the liar plagiarized.
> 
> > one of the GOALS of the paper was to show how the already known
> > Lorentz transform could be derived from certain general principles
> > rather then known merely as a certain abstract property of Maxwell's
> > equations.
> 
> So, Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of re-deriving this formula.

Oh stop making nonsense up. Einstein knew the Lorentz transform and knew about the fact
that it transformed the E and B fields. The problem was nobody really considered those
transformed quantities (E, B, and the new time) to be real, even Poincare. Since Einstein most 
likely had already noticed previously that assuming the transformed E and B were real would
resolve the magnet-and-coil paradox, he set out to find out if the Lorentz Transform _could_
be given a physical basis in some way.

> The Lorentz transform can only derived using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>

No, it's derived in Einstein's 1905 paper and it uses certain assumptions stated rather
clearly in the text. Einstein was unaware of the MMX at the time or he'd certainly have
mentioned it in the paper as it would have lent ammunition to his claim stated in the
summary: "unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the
'light medium'".

> Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results of the MMX.

Yes but Einstein was interested in something else: showing that Lorentz-transformed
fields E and B of electrodynamics were as real as the original untransformed ones. Also,
he was unaware of the MMX.

> However, this type of transform was not explored in history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations 
> must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
> 
> Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
> 
> The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this order,

No, it can be derived exactly as Einstein did in his 1905 paper.

--
Jan

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#470351

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-03 10:29 -0700
Message-ID<75409a94-6175-4c98-ae56-5e2c845896aa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470198
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 11:40:39 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar knew about the
> > Lorentz transform and attempted a confusing and deceitful way of
> > re-deriving this formula.  The Lorentz transform can only be derived
> > using the null results of the MMX.  <shrug>
>
> > Next, a simple modification to the Galilean transform using the
> > Lorentz-FitzGerald contraction is enough to satisfy the null results
> > of the MMX.  However, this type of transform was not explored in
> > history.  Instead, it was Voigt who proposed a constancy in the speed
> > of light, and the result is Larmor’s transform where all observations
> > must reference back to the absolute frame of reference.  <shrug>
>
> > Finally, Poincare realized Larmor’s transform can be simplified into
> > the Lorentz transform, but this simplification is wrong in general
> > where Koobee Wublee had already addressed in the past posts.  <shrug>
>
> > The road to the Lorentz transform cannot be anything else but in this
> > order, and this can easily tell who plagiarizes from whom unless you
> > are fvcking idiots.  <shrug>

> Oh stop making nonsense up...

This is not nonsense.  <shrug>

> [rest of lies snipped]

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