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Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-08-15 09:48 -0700
Last post2018-09-13 12:29 +0000
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  Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-15 09:48 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-15 19:17 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-15 11:58 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-16 10:27 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:30 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-06 01:07 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-19 16:06 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-19 10:43 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 15:56 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-20 06:45 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:35 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-21 19:45 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:41 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 00:14 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-21 22:48 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-21 19:43 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-23 16:23 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 16:44 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 11:07 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:16 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jayson Durante <tug@wsedwsa.np> - 2018-09-20 19:43 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 15:38 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-20 23:34 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:23 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-21 11:25 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:17 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-22 10:36 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 20:23 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 15:48 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-19 09:19 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:58 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-19 23:43 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-15 19:51 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-16 04:38 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:13 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-16 07:21 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:24 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:44 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-16 22:42 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 07:14 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 07:43 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 16:57 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 08:59 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 09:22 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 11:23 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:06 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 14:26 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 23:39 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:44 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 18:04 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:55 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:45 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:48 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:42 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:54 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:45 +0200
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-18 08:05 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Sushika Imaki <kukih@wkkss.ki> - 2018-08-18 17:52 +0000
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:32 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 19:08 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 19:07 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 08:04 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light egas@pacbell.net - 2018-08-17 09:20 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:44 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 15:07 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 23:40 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 00:35 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-08-15 12:14 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 20:55 +0000
    Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 20:44 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 21:59 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:33 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-19 19:15 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-20 14:09 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:07 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-16 17:11 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-17 18:48 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 10:02 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 19:11 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 00:18 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-16 00:40 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 00:56 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:09 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 10:20 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:36 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 09:58 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-16 13:03 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-16 18:24 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 13:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-17 13:13 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:01 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-08-17 14:45 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:44 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-16 10:14 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 09:46 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 13:47 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:08 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 14:49 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 15:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:57 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:51 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-18 13:49 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-17 19:28 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 07:55 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:46 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:37 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 17:45 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 11:21 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:20 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-23 05:52 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-19 15:51 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 16:09 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-19 19:59 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 06:52 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-20 08:03 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 22:01 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 05:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 05:29 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:01 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-20 10:54 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 18:06 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 17:23 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 09:12 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:30 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 17:24 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:03 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 20:51 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 23:22 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:05 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 16:59 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 01:04 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 21:54 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:04 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 16:55 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-22 07:21 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:39 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:48 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:48 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 09:54 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:13 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 11:46 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 10:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:16 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 11:39 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 12:54 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:02 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:06 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:07 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:28 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:31 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:39 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:57 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:11 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 14:35 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 15:47 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 13:55 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 14:31 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 14:46 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 07:38 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 10:00 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 13:54 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 15:51 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 21:20 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 07:49 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:16 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:28 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:20 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:00 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 10:34 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-22 11:41 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:24 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-21 21:17 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 22:05 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:12 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:20 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-23 10:44 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 20:12 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 11:19 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 11:24 +0100
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 22:53 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-19 10:36 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-19 20:51 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-19 12:47 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-19 23:15 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:04 +0000
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 01:15 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 12:54 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 07:28 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 16:48 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 08:12 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 08:39 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 17:51 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 09:02 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:45 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-20 12:53 -0500
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:22 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 13:41 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 21:21 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 11:11 -0500
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:01 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 20:23 -0500
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:20 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-23 11:52 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 10:15 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 13:37 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 15:15 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 21:13 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-24 06:20 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Eters Beckenbauer <lrrif@dnewrersd.ne> - 2018-08-24 13:25 +0000
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-25 03:33 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-28 11:09 +0000
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-28 08:37 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-28 09:00 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-28 16:07 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 07:30 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-24 08:12 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 08:47 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 09:02 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-24 09:12 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:29 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:53 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 13:11 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:55 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 15:29 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:02 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 09:13 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:50 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 12:57 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 13:28 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:38 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 13:56 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-21 09:54 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-21 07:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:10 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 07:18 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:51 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 09:55 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 13:51 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:02 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 23:29 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:05 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:37 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 14:48 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 15:22 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 10:28 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 08:52 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:39 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-22 10:51 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 02:17 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-22 07:13 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:10 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 14:07 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-22 11:36 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:09 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 14:01 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-22 11:45 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 23:24 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-21 20:33 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:04 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 07:18 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 10:45 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 12:08 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 18:25 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 04:46 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:18 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 23:36 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 09:23 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 19:55 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-23 15:17 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 03:48 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:24 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 00:39 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 17:06 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 01:03 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 16:18 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 02:01 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 17:51 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 18:06 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-25 11:39 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 03:33 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-24 16:41 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 02:45 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-25 09:49 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-26 23:27 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 12:38 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-28 11:01 -0500
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-28 09:59 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 14:25 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 08:58 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 10:45 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 12:19 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 13:14 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 13:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 13:58 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 14:52 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 13:18 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-30 07:56 -0500
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 09:21 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 16:27 +0000
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:07 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:52 +0000
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 15:43 +0200
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-27 11:22 -0500
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Toloni D'antonio <uut@gwrroei.ta> - 2018-08-27 16:37 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 10:24 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 17:20 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:43 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 10:51 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 18:01 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-27 18:13 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 19:30 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:53 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 15:10 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-27 18:31 -0500
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 19:13 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 09:39 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 12:40 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Eters Beckenbauer <lrrif@dnewrersd.ne> - 2018-08-23 14:43 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-25 23:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-26 22:53 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-27 23:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-24 15:22 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 07:11 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:46 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 07:50 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 08:50 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-23 13:34 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-23 13:37 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 14:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:29 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 06:10 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:24 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-26 06:40 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-26 08:48 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:53 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:57 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 16:12 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 16:25 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 16:45 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 17:50 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 01:24 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-24 02:04 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:16 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 17:14 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 18:36 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-24 17:04 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 11:41 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 18:54 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 12:32 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 23:08 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 13:11 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 13:13 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 00:47 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 20:28 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 00:59 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 01:37 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:51 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 13:05 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 23:46 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 16:12 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:41 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 17:00 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 17:51 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-29 10:46 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:04 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-29 11:22 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:42 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 13:06 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 22:10 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 15:35 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-30 22:48 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-30 15:36 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 10:55 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 13:59 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 23:19 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:10 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 01:18 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:27 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 02:06 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 09:19 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:52 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 10:32 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 22:09 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 13:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:10 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:47 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 11:17 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 17:05 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 09:57 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 12:38 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:40 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:03 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-31 21:17 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:42 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 20:29 -0500
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-09-01 12:53 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-04 10:20 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 08:58 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 09:20 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-04 12:24 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-04 20:08 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-05 09:27 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-05 16:50 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:17 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-05 17:31 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:13 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-06 07:57 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 17:57 -0500
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-07 05:33 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-07 08:27 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-07 22:37 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 12:23 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-17 10:29 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-21 17:48 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-06 07:59 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-06 08:05 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 07:58 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 12:00 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 22:21 +0200
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 15:42 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 18:12 -0500
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 16:59 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:08 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:44 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 18:51 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 12:23 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:08 +0000
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:16 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:27 -0700
                            Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-21 15:51 -0500
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <rurof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:27 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:55 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:26 -0700
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:37 +0000
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:25 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-21 23:33 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 02:21 +0200
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 19:42 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:31 +0000
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 10:50 +0200
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:52 +0000
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 13:40 -0700
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-22 20:55 +0000
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 10:35 +0200
                                          Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 13:41 -0700
                                            Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 23:12 +0000
                                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 19:43 -0700
                                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 05:23 +0200
                                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:48 -0700
                                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 16:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 23:10 +0000
                                                          Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 19:30 -0700
                                            Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 04:49 +0200
                                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:47 -0700
                                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-26 00:24 +0200
                                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 15:36 -0700
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-21 17:52 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-21 23:54 -0500
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:50 +0000
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-28 17:43 -0700
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 13:13 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-24 10:58 -0500
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 11:20 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:07 -0500
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:35 +0000
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 22:59 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:09 -0500
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 19:44 -0700
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 21:06 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 12:31 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 22:13 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 13:04 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-31 23:26 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 20:34 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:15 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:49 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 13:42 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 14:56 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 16:02 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:03 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 22:52 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 12:03 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 12:39 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 00:45 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:10 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 11:09 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 13:57 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-09-30 16:24 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 11:03 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 09:58 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 19:46 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 22:14 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:02 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:53 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:59 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 12:18 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 22:12 +0000
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 11:46 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 13:16 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 13:45 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 14:27 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 00:03 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:29 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:33 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Emeraude Bertrand <rntmuurdu@arterabbr.ma> - 2018-09-01 14:42 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:11 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:20 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:31 -0700
                        Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 18:28 +0200
                          Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) Jeanclaude Erald <urdu@iufienv.vu> - 2018-09-01 17:40 +0000
                            Re: Usenet Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-02 05:09 +0200
                              Re: Usenet Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:49 +0000
                          Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-01 21:54 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:43 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:42 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:30 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 17:35 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-21 16:44 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-01 23:14 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 10:06 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:49 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:15 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 00:39 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:47 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:10 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 22:00 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 17:13 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 18:02 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 18:16 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 19:48 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 21:32 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-03 14:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 21:16 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 07:06 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 14:57 +0000
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 08:01 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-03 15:27 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 07:30 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-04 09:50 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-04 16:29 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 07:35 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-05 15:07 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 08:18 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 09:38 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 09:57 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:47 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 12:05 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 12:35 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 12:42 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 14:13 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-06 05:10 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-06 07:43 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:53 +0200
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-06 14:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 08:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 18:03 +0200
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-07 09:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 09:45 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 16:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:38 +0200
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 15:23 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 22:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 08:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 06:32 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:23 -0700
                                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 09:56 -0700
                                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 14:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-10 21:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 14:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 16:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 13:34 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-10 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 08:40 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-07 08:48 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-06 05:42 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:59 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-04 01:39 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:15 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:14 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-01 18:42 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-02 06:33 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-02 07:38 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Unaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp> - 2018-09-02 18:31 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 11:13 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 06:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 18:25 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-03 09:30 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:35 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 18:39 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:42 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 19:07 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-03 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:37 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:46 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 10:13 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Unaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp> - 2018-09-02 18:32 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 13:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 13:53 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 15:12 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:43 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 16:18 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 05:08 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 20:18 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:34 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 16:53 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 01:25 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 20:07 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 18:15 -0500
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:44 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:46 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:49 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:59 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 20:09 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 13:14 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 20:43 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 16:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 00:53 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:09 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:17 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 20:56 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 13:42 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 20:28 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 11:58 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:57 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 13:22 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 20:45 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 15:19 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 20:46 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 13:25 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 01:16 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 18:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 02:20 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 20:14 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:42 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 12:29 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 20:17 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:44 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 12:29 +0000

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#470340

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-03 06:39 -0700
Message-ID<4acf7302-3d7c-44e5-92f8-74e24cb76c07@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470323
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 2:13:22 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
> > I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant.
> 
> Which is WRONG.
> 


Hopefully this will get you to shut up:

Say that in a certain frame F light velocity is (u_x,u_y)=(c*cos(\alpha), c*sin(\alpha)). Obviously, u_x^2+u_y^2=c^2

In a frame F' moving with speed U, along the x axis, the light velocity has the components:

u'_x=\frac{u_x+U}{1+U*u_x/c^2}

u'_y=\frac{u_y/\gamma}{1+U*u_x/c^2}

Obviously, the light velocity is frame variant.
light speed, on the other hand, is frame invariant. Indeed:

(u'_x)^2+(u'_y)^2=c^2

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#470341

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-03 18:25 +0200
Message-ID<70966d76-fa25-5c21-a498-9796dadd839b@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470340
"Dono," wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 2:13:22 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant.
>> Which is WRONG.
> 
> Hopefully this will get you to shut up:

You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
*learn* from each other, _not_ to "shut up" or make the other person "shut
up" by shouting them down.  Your approach of throwing insults at every
opportunity is simply completely *inappropriate*.  So is your using a pseudonym.

    [I will therefore refrain in this posting from using capital letters for
     emphasis here, that I have come to use (a bad habit acquired from
     Tom Roberts) when other people, like you now, appear to be
     mindbogglingly obtuse.]

So: Learn to *read*.  Learn to *write*.  The velocity of *light* is a
concept *different* from the velocity of *something else*.  Likewise for speed.

I have said: *Both* the velocity and the speed of *anything else but
light/EM radiation* are frame-dependent (in *flat* spacetime).  But
the *speed* of *light/EM radiation*, OTOH, is _not_ frame-dependent.

> Say that in a certain frame F light velocity is (u_x,u_y)=(c*cos(\alpha),
                                                             ^
> c*sin(\alpha)). Obviously, u_x^2+u_y^2=c^2
  ^
> In a frame F' moving with speed U, along the x axis, the light velocity has the components:
> 
> u'_x=\frac{u_x+U}{1+U*u_x/c^2}
> 
> u'_y=\frac{u_y/\gamma}{1+U*u_x/c^2}
> 
> Obviously, the light velocity is frame variant.
> light speed, on the other hand, is frame invariant. Indeed:
> 
> (u'_x)^2+(u'_y)^2=c^2

You have missed the third dimension (e.g. z), but tell me something that
I do not know yet: I have derived this *first* *more than a year ago* when
I first studied special relativity in a more structured way, and here more
than 2 months ago (find it with Google Groups).

But I was *wrong*.  As was correctly pointed out by Tom Roberts (IIRC) here,
my reasoning was circular as well as yours is now: You have only proven, and
derived, what you assumed in the first place.

Because your

> u'_x=\frac{u_x+U}{1+U*u_x/c^2}

is *derived* from, is a *consequence* of, the Lorentz transformation that
already assumes c to be isotropic.

<news:2acf3904-44ac-22d6-bd0e-16648f8ca8f3@PointedEars.de>

<https://www.coursera.org/learn/einstein-relativity/discussions/all/threads/VBjmO--HEeaS_Q4dAeEgfg/replies/Ox-kIPG2EeaGLRKpFVYwTg>

    [JFYI: I passed this course weeks ahead of time with a grade of 100 %.
     That was one reason why, I decided, in addition to hear physics
     lectures online, to go to a real-life university again to study
     astrophysics there.]

As I said later then (in several rebuttals): We have to face the fact that
the isotropy (constant and the same in all inertial reference frames, in all
directions) of the speed of light is an *experimental* fact *only*.  While
it gives rise to Lorentz symmetry, it *cannot* be derived from *previous* facts.

See e.g. <news:e1ba99a7-089d-5d91-c6e6-639778b7786b@PointedEars.de>

    [Keep in mind that Maxwell’s equations, from where the phase speed of
     electromagnetic waves, c, can be derived as a constant that depends
     only on the electromagnetic properties of the medium (by which we *now*
     mean everything but aether), c = 1∕√(ε₀ ε_r µ₀ µ_r), originally were
     based on the assumption that light would be an electromagnetic wave
     carried by the luminiferous aether (called “medium” by Maxwell).  This
     is an assumption that turned out to be *wrong* (or at least unprovable)
     even though the equations are apparently *correct*.]

What mine/your/this calculation shows is only that special relativity is
internally consistent: If you assume that the speed of light is *locally*
isotropic, then you arrive at the Lorentz transformation.  And if you apply
the Lorentz transformation to the *velocity* of light, then you find that
the *speed* of light is *locally* isotropic.

HTH.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#470342

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-09-03 09:30 -0700
Message-ID<bb8194c8-3b92-469c-92cb-d4e747132556@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470341
On Monday, 3 September 2018 18:25:39 UTC+2, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn  wrote:
> "Dono," wrote:
> > On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 2:13:22 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >>> I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant.
> >> Which is WRONG.
> > 
> > Hopefully this will get you to shut up:
> 
> You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
> Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
> *learn* from each other

You have a fundamental misconception about this place.
You're here to do what you're doing: to wave arms and
scream "those, who don't follow our ingenious Shit are
stupid reality denying cranks". That's what science
train its doggies for.

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#470343

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-03 09:35 -0700
Message-ID<b421e978-c08c-49b4-8c33-2409026e10aa@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470341
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
> You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
> Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
> *learn* from each other, _not_ to "shut up" or make the other person "shut
> up" by shouting them down. 

I thought that you will be able to understand your errors by following the simple math I posted for you. I can see that you are only desperately trying to cover them up. You are an embarrassment. 

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#470345

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-03 18:39 +0200
Message-ID<036fecd5-27b0-196b-060f-120005d168c5@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470343
Dono, wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
>> Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
>> *learn* from each other, _not_ to "shut up" or make the other person "shut
>> up" by shouting them down. 
> 
> I thought that you will be able to understand your errors by following the simple math I posted for you. I can see that you are only desperately trying to cover them up. You are an embarrassment. 

Cover them up?  I have said *the same* previously, and I have
said so in the part that you did not quote, and did not read!

You do not want to arrive at a common understanding.
You do not care to read.
You do not want to learn.

All you want here is to provoke.

And you have no clue what you are talking about.

*You* are the embarrassment.  Please go away.

F’up2 alt.1d

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#470346

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-03 09:42 -0700
Message-ID<092f744c-a479-4d32-a330-65b2b758507e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470345
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> > On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
> >> Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
> >> *learn* from each other, _not_ to "shut up" or make the other person "shut
> >> up" by shouting them down. 
> > 
> > I thought that you will be able to understand your errors by following the simple math I posted for you. I can see that you are only desperately trying to cover them up. You are an embarrassment. 
> 
> Cover them up?  I have said *the same* previously, and I have
> said so in the part that you did not quote, and did not read!
> 

Cretin,

You argued that my statement that light VELOCITY is frame variant is wrong. I showed that you are the one who's wrong. <shrug>

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#470348

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-03 19:07 +0200
Message-ID<95051550-50ad-ca06-93c7-5e6247ef0007@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470346
Dono, wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Dono, wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
>>>> Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
>>>> *learn* from each other, _not_ to "shut up" or make the other person "shut
>>>> up" by shouting them down. 
>>>
>>> I thought that you will be able to understand your errors by following the simple math I posted for you. I can see that you are only desperately trying to cover them up. You are an embarrassment. 
>>
>> Cover them up?  I have said *the same* previously, and I have
>> said so in the part that you did not quote, and did not read!
>>
> 
> Cretin,

That’s enough.  *PLONK*

> You argued that my statement that light VELOCITY is frame variant is wrong. 

No, I did not.  You simply CAN’T READ!

F’up2 poster

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#470350

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-09-03 10:28 -0700
Message-ID<c8c35bf6-44f4-4c74-af0a-6d008d5ed425@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470343
On Monday, 3 September 2018 18:35:59 UTC+2, Dono,  wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >
> > You appear to have a fundamental misconception about this place.  This is a
> > Usenet scientific *discussion* group.  We are here to *discuss* with and
> > *learn* from each other, _not_ to "shut up" or make the other person "shut
> > up" by shouting them down. 
> 
> I thought that you will be able to understand your errors by following the simple math I posted for you. I can see that you are only desperately trying to cover them up. You are an embarrassment.

Speaking of math, it's always good to remind your
idiot huru had to reject its oldest, very important 
part, as it didn't want to cooperate his Holiest
Postulate.

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#470344

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-03 09:37 -0700
Message-ID<811e667a-c8d9-47e4-84a4-32d68c6a41c8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470341
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> If you assume that the speed of light is *locally*
> isotropic, then you arrive at the Lorentz transformation.  And if you apply
> the Lorentz transformation to the *velocity* of light, then you find that
> the *speed* of light is *locally* isotropic.
> 
Imbecile,

The point was , that contrary to your idiotic claims, VELOCITY is frame-VARIANT. 
Would you shut up now or do you need more slaps behind the head? 

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#470347

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-03 09:46 -0700
Message-ID<d1893a7b-e37f-4f0b-90d8-aaaedfa99588@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470323
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 2:13:22 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> "Dono," (sic) trolled:
> > On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:33:12 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> "Dono," trolled:
> > 
> > Don't be an imbecile,
> 
> LOL
> 
> > I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant.
> 
> Which is WRONG.
> 
> It is DOUBLY wrong regarding the velocity and speed of light.
> Learn to read.
> 


You are a pretentious imbecile. As proven by the above. Keep digging yourself. 

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#470349

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-03 10:13 -0700
Message-ID<f7c28a11-deb4-441e-9f79-b85716a5b629@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470323
On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 2:13:22 AM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> "Dono," (sic) trolled:
> > On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:33:12 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >> "Dono," trolled:
> > 
> > Don't be an imbecile,
> 
> LOL
> 
> > I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant.
> 
> Which is WRONG.
> 
Not only an imbecile but a liar as well, as evidenced by the post history. 

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#470255

FromUnaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp>
Date2018-09-02 18:32 +0000
Message-ID<pmhabn$o7k$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470199
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Most certainly he did not say that, but the original meaning was lost in
> translation from German or ignorance of the reporter.  For the proper
> term is “invariant”; it has been then and is till today, in English
> *and* German.

Nobody understood Relativity in german. End of story.

*BUMP*

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#470274

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-09-02 13:26 -0700
Message-ID<d66830b5-fc81-45b9-8b61-0c619723bc05@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#467924
The velocity of light argument is a diversion since SR is based on Maxwell's equations that are derived using Faraday's induction effect that is not luminous. 

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#470283

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-09-02 13:53 -0700
Message-ID<339950f5-c633-453b-bf8a-55449a59bfdd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#467924
String theory is also based on Maxwell's theory (gauge).

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#470688

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-09-06 15:12 -0700
Message-ID<50682f68-a9d0-4794-93db-2b6f33d19892@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#467924
It is not physically possible to measure the velocity of light since one cannot produces a single light pulse that can propagates a distance that can be recorded using a circuit since the reaction time of a circuit would be to large to determine the velocity of light.

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#470712

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 22:43 +0000
Message-ID<pmsaia$ror$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470688
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is not physically possible to measure the velocity of light since one
> cannot produces a single light pulse that can propagates a distance that
> can be recorded using a circuit since the reaction time of a circuit
> would be to large to determine the velocity of light.
> 

In my sophomore year in college, I measured the speed of light by arranging
mirrors at the end of a long hallway in a university building, and firing a
shuttered HeNe laser four passes back and forth, to a photodiode connected
to a small amp and an oscilloscope. 200ft x 4 ~ 0.8 microseconds, which is
a piece of cake on an o’scope. 

It was so easy that I did it with two lab partners, as did five other lab
group trios the same day. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#470734

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-09-06 16:18 -0700
Message-ID<f757e991-2c6a-4062-9565-db873fee6933@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470712
How can you measure the velocity of light with a laser. Where in the beginning and ending the the pulse?

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#470747

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
Message-ID<pmsi4u$15b5$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470734
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
> How can you measure the velocity of light with a laser. Where in the
> beginning and ending the the pulse?
> 
> 

You put a camera shutter in front of it, silly. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#470758

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-07 05:08 +0200
Message-ID<229d66a4-3b9e-f57c-be24-c3547006b458@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470734
numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
> How can you measure the velocity of light with a laser. Where in the beginning and ending the the pulse?

_Speed_, not velocity.  Velocity is a *vector*; speed is its magnitude.

Put a mirror a known distance D away from the laser emitter. Point the laser
at the mirror such that it hits it at an angle of approximately 90°.
Measure the time T that it takes for the laser pulse to leave the emitter
and return from the mirror.  Divide twice the distance by the time obtained
to calculate the two-way speed of light:

  c = 2D/T

It helps if D is large, but not so large that gravity matters (otherwise you
have to consider that, too).  For example, a large interferometer like LIGO
or an earth-based emitter and a mirror on the Moon work well.

Precision can be increased if you let the laser pulse bounce forward and
back a few times:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Time_of_flight_techniques>

If you have a laser interferometer with movable mirrors, you can also
calculate c from the interference of a laser beam of known frequency f
with itself:

  c = λ f,

where λ is the measured wavelength.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Interferometry>

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#470763

Fromconsequently7990662@gmail.com
Date2018-09-06 20:18 -0700
Message-ID<fa4638fd-cc12-4346-92a0-6c6a1f3a4b0e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470758
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:08:43 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> numbernumber1964@gmail.com wrote:
> > How can you measure the velocity of light with a laser. Where in the beginning and ending the the pulse?
> 
> _Speed_, not velocity.  Velocity is a *vector*; speed is its magnitude.
> 
> Put a mirror a known distance D away from the laser emitter. Point the laser
> at the mirror such that it hits it at an angle of approximately 90°.
> Measure the time T that it takes for the laser pulse to leave the emitter
> and return from the mirror.  Divide twice the distance by the time obtained
> to calculate the two-way speed of light:
> 
>   c = 2D/T
> 
> It helps if D is large, but not so large that gravity matters (otherwise you
> have to consider that, too).  For example, a large interferometer like LIGO
> or an earth-based emitter and a mirror on the Moon work well.
> 
> Precision can be increased if you let the laser pulse bounce forward and
> back a few times:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Time_of_flight_techniques>
> 
> If you have a laser interferometer with movable mirrors, you can also
> calculate c from the interference of a laser beam of known frequency f
> with itself:
> 
>   c = λ f,
> 
> where λ is the measured wavelength.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Interferometry>
> 
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This c = λ f,  is a wave equation but the formation of a wave requires a medium (ether) composed of matter yet light produces the interference effect in vacuum that is void of matter which nullifies your measurement of the velocity of light using an interferometer.




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