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Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-08-15 09:48 -0700
Last post2018-09-13 12:29 +0000
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  Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-15 09:48 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-15 19:17 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-15 11:58 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-16 10:27 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:30 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-06 01:07 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-19 16:06 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-19 10:43 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 15:56 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-20 06:45 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:35 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-21 19:45 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:41 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 00:14 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-21 22:48 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-21 19:43 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-23 16:23 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 16:44 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 11:07 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:16 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jayson Durante <tug@wsedwsa.np> - 2018-09-20 19:43 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 15:38 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-20 23:34 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:23 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-21 11:25 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:17 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-22 10:36 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 20:23 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 15:48 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-19 09:19 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:58 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-19 23:43 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-15 19:51 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-16 04:38 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:13 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-16 07:21 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:24 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:44 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-16 22:42 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 07:14 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 07:43 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 16:57 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 08:59 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 09:22 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 11:23 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:06 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 14:26 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 23:39 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:44 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 18:04 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:55 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:45 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:48 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:42 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:54 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:45 +0200
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-18 08:05 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Sushika Imaki <kukih@wkkss.ki> - 2018-08-18 17:52 +0000
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:32 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 19:08 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 19:07 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 08:04 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light egas@pacbell.net - 2018-08-17 09:20 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:44 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 15:07 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 23:40 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 00:35 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-08-15 12:14 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 20:55 +0000
    Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 20:44 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 21:59 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:33 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-19 19:15 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-20 14:09 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:07 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-16 17:11 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-17 18:48 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 10:02 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 19:11 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 00:18 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-16 00:40 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 00:56 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:09 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 10:20 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:36 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 09:58 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-16 13:03 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-16 18:24 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 13:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-17 13:13 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:01 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-08-17 14:45 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:44 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-16 10:14 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 09:46 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 13:47 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:08 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 14:49 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 15:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:57 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:51 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-18 13:49 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-17 19:28 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 07:55 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:46 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:37 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 17:45 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 11:21 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:20 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-23 05:52 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-19 15:51 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 16:09 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-19 19:59 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 06:52 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-20 08:03 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 22:01 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 05:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 05:29 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:01 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-20 10:54 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 18:06 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 17:23 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 09:12 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:30 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 17:24 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:03 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 20:51 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 23:22 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:05 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 16:59 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 01:04 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 21:54 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:04 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 16:55 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-22 07:21 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:39 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:48 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:48 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 09:54 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:13 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 11:46 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 10:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:16 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 11:39 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 12:54 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:02 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:06 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:07 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:28 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:31 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:39 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:57 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:11 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 14:35 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 15:47 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 13:55 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 14:31 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 14:46 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 07:38 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 10:00 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 13:54 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 15:51 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 21:20 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 07:49 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:16 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:28 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:20 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:00 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 10:34 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-22 11:41 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:24 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-21 21:17 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 22:05 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:12 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:20 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-23 10:44 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 20:12 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 11:19 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 11:24 +0100
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 22:53 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-19 10:36 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-19 20:51 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-19 12:47 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-19 23:15 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:04 +0000
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 01:15 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 12:54 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 07:28 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 16:48 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 08:12 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 08:39 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 17:51 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 09:02 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:45 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-20 12:53 -0500
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:22 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 13:41 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 21:21 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 11:11 -0500
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:01 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 20:23 -0500
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:20 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-23 11:52 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 10:15 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 13:37 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 15:15 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 21:13 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-24 06:20 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Eters Beckenbauer <lrrif@dnewrersd.ne> - 2018-08-24 13:25 +0000
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-25 03:33 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-28 11:09 +0000
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-28 08:37 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-28 09:00 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-28 16:07 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 07:30 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-24 08:12 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 08:47 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 09:02 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-24 09:12 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:29 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:53 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 13:11 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:55 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 15:29 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:02 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 09:13 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:50 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 12:57 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 13:28 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:38 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 13:56 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-21 09:54 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-21 07:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:10 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 07:18 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:51 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 09:55 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 13:51 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:02 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 23:29 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:05 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:37 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 14:48 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 15:22 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 10:28 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 08:52 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:39 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-22 10:51 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 02:17 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-22 07:13 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:10 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 14:07 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-22 11:36 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:09 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 14:01 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-22 11:45 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 23:24 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-21 20:33 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:04 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 07:18 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 10:45 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 12:08 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 18:25 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 04:46 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:18 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 23:36 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 09:23 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 19:55 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-23 15:17 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 03:48 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:24 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 00:39 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 17:06 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 01:03 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 16:18 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 02:01 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 17:51 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 18:06 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-25 11:39 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 03:33 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-24 16:41 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 02:45 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-25 09:49 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-26 23:27 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 12:38 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-28 11:01 -0500
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-28 09:59 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 14:25 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 08:58 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 10:45 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 12:19 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 13:14 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 13:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 13:58 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 14:52 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 13:18 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-30 07:56 -0500
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 09:21 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 16:27 +0000
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:07 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:52 +0000
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 15:43 +0200
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-27 11:22 -0500
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Toloni D'antonio <uut@gwrroei.ta> - 2018-08-27 16:37 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 10:24 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 17:20 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:43 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 10:51 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 18:01 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-27 18:13 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 19:30 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:53 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 15:10 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-27 18:31 -0500
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 19:13 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 09:39 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 12:40 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Eters Beckenbauer <lrrif@dnewrersd.ne> - 2018-08-23 14:43 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-25 23:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-26 22:53 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-27 23:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-24 15:22 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 07:11 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:46 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 07:50 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 08:50 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-23 13:34 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-23 13:37 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 14:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:29 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 06:10 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:24 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-26 06:40 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-26 08:48 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:53 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:57 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 16:12 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 16:25 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 16:45 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 17:50 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 01:24 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-24 02:04 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:16 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 17:14 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 18:36 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-24 17:04 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 11:41 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 18:54 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 12:32 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 23:08 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 13:11 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 13:13 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 00:47 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 20:28 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 00:59 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 01:37 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:51 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 13:05 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 23:46 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 16:12 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:41 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 17:00 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 17:51 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-29 10:46 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:04 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-29 11:22 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:42 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 13:06 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 22:10 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 15:35 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-30 22:48 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-30 15:36 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 10:55 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 13:59 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 23:19 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:10 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 01:18 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:27 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 02:06 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 09:19 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:52 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 10:32 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 22:09 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 13:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:10 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:47 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 11:17 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 17:05 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 09:57 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 12:38 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:40 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:03 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-31 21:17 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:42 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 20:29 -0500
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-09-01 12:53 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-04 10:20 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 08:58 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 09:20 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-04 12:24 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-04 20:08 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-05 09:27 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-05 16:50 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:17 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-05 17:31 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:13 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-06 07:57 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 17:57 -0500
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-07 05:33 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-07 08:27 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-07 22:37 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 12:23 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-17 10:29 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-21 17:48 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-06 07:59 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-06 08:05 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 07:58 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 12:00 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 22:21 +0200
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 15:42 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 18:12 -0500
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 16:59 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:08 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:44 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 18:51 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 12:23 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:08 +0000
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:16 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:27 -0700
                            Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-21 15:51 -0500
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <rurof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:27 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:55 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:26 -0700
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:37 +0000
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:25 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-21 23:33 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 02:21 +0200
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 19:42 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:31 +0000
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 10:50 +0200
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:52 +0000
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 13:40 -0700
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-22 20:55 +0000
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 10:35 +0200
                                          Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 13:41 -0700
                                            Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 23:12 +0000
                                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 19:43 -0700
                                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 05:23 +0200
                                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:48 -0700
                                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 16:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 23:10 +0000
                                                          Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 19:30 -0700
                                            Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 04:49 +0200
                                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:47 -0700
                                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-26 00:24 +0200
                                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 15:36 -0700
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-21 17:52 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-21 23:54 -0500
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:50 +0000
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-28 17:43 -0700
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 13:13 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-24 10:58 -0500
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 11:20 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:07 -0500
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:35 +0000
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 22:59 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:09 -0500
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 19:44 -0700
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 21:06 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 12:31 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 22:13 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 13:04 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-31 23:26 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 20:34 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:15 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:49 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 13:42 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 14:56 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 16:02 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:03 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 22:52 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 12:03 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 12:39 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 00:45 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:10 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 11:09 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 13:57 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-09-30 16:24 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 11:03 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 09:58 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 19:46 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 22:14 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:02 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:53 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:59 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 12:18 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 22:12 +0000
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 11:46 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 13:16 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 13:45 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 14:27 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 00:03 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:29 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:33 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Emeraude Bertrand <rntmuurdu@arterabbr.ma> - 2018-09-01 14:42 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:11 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:20 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:31 -0700
                        Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 18:28 +0200
                          Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) Jeanclaude Erald <urdu@iufienv.vu> - 2018-09-01 17:40 +0000
                            Re: Usenet Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-02 05:09 +0200
                              Re: Usenet Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:49 +0000
                          Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-01 21:54 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:43 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:42 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:30 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 17:35 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-21 16:44 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-01 23:14 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 10:06 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:49 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:15 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 00:39 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:47 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:10 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 22:00 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 17:13 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 18:02 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 18:16 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 19:48 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 21:32 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-03 14:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 21:16 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 07:06 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 14:57 +0000
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 08:01 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-03 15:27 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 07:30 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-04 09:50 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-04 16:29 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 07:35 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-05 15:07 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 08:18 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 09:38 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 09:57 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:47 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 12:05 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 12:35 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 12:42 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 14:13 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-06 05:10 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-06 07:43 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:53 +0200
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-06 14:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 08:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 18:03 +0200
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-07 09:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 09:45 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 16:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:38 +0200
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 15:23 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 22:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 08:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 06:32 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:23 -0700
                                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 09:56 -0700
                                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 14:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-10 21:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 14:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 16:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 13:34 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-10 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 08:40 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-07 08:48 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-06 05:42 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:59 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-04 01:39 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:15 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:14 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-01 18:42 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-02 06:33 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-02 07:38 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Unaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp> - 2018-09-02 18:31 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 11:13 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 06:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 18:25 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-03 09:30 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:35 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 18:39 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:42 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 19:07 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-03 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:37 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:46 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 10:13 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Unaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp> - 2018-09-02 18:32 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 13:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 13:53 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 15:12 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:43 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 16:18 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 05:08 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 20:18 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:34 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 16:53 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 01:25 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 20:07 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 18:15 -0500
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:44 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:46 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:49 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:59 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 20:09 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 13:14 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 20:43 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 16:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 00:53 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:09 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:17 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 20:56 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 13:42 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 20:28 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 11:58 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:57 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 13:22 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 20:45 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 15:19 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 20:46 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 13:25 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 01:16 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 18:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 02:20 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 20:14 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:42 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 12:29 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 20:17 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:44 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 12:29 +0000

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#471281

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-10 09:56 -0700
Message-ID<a7f37bc8-e3e4-4679-83a9-0113af83afdd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#471250
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 11:17:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 12:40:42 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > > > On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 11:34:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 4:01:27 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > I would just point out that, at least in my posts, I have hardly use any
> > > > > > mathematical expression regarding this subject.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The amazing thing is that you affirm that Einstein was right and the rest
> > > > > of the world is just misinterpreting what Einstein said.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not the rest of the world.  Just mathematicians.  The battle between
> > > > > Einstein and mathematicians is well known.  It's been going on for
> > > > > over a hundred years.
> > > > 
> > > > Really? Care to cite an article or two? I got my degree in physics and
> > > > none of my professors mentioned this to me. And in fact relations with
> > > > the mathematics department were great. I have not seen any reference to
> > > > such a battle in any publications. Is it a cold war?
> > > 
> > > From my paper on Einstein's 2nd Postulate:
> > > 
> > > -- start quote --
> > > 
> > ========================================
> > PLEASE word wrap your posts!!!!
> > I am not going to manually wrap them for you anymore!
> > Or continue to show yourself as rude.
> > ========================================
> > > In early 1912, seven years after his Special Theory of Relativity was published, Einstein famously lamented, “Since the mathematicians have invaded the theory of relativity I do not understand it myself anymore.”[1] Nine years later, in a talk he gave to the Prussian Academy of Sciences, he stated, “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”[2] In one of his letters, he referred to the interpretations by mathematicians as a disease when he wrote to his friend Paul Ehrenfest, “You are one of the few theoreticians who has not been robbed of his common sense by the mathematical contagion.”[3] Einstein went to his grave arguing with mathematicians and advocates of Quantum Mechanics over how to interpret his theories of Relativity.
> > > 
> > > -- end quote --
> > > 
> > > References:
> > > [1] Albert Einstein, Quoted in Albert Einstein, Philosopher-Scientist, Open Court; 3rd edition (December 30, 1998)
> > > [2] Albert Einstein, Geometry and Experience, an address to the Prussian Academy of Sciences in January 1921, published by Methuen & Co. Ltd, London (1922).
> > > [3] Albert Einstein, Anna Beck (translator), English Translation of The Collected Papers of Albert Einstein, Vol. 5: The Swiss Years: Correspondence, 1902–1914, Princeton University Press (1995).
> > > 
> > > A book cover: https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1348624611l/6966217.jpg
> > > 
> > > Note the subtitle: "Einstein was correct, but Neils Bohr won the game."
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr%E2%80%93Einstein_debates
> > > 
> > Funny, that was in the time leading up to the General Theory
> > when Einstein did struggle with the mathematics. Yet he also
> > said:
> > "Of course, experience retains its quality as the ultimate
> >  criterion of the physical utility of a mathematical construction.
> >  But the creative principle resides in mathematics."
> 
> I can't make sense of what you wrote.  Einstein's General Theory paper was 
> published in 1912.  His arguments with Bohr started in the 1920s.
> 
> And that quote seems open to countless interpretations.
> 
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
> > https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/mathematics-and-albert-einstein/
> > 
> > With this observation from that site:
> > In fact, mathematical creativity was fundamental in Einstein’s
> > contributions. At the time he was conceiving the General Theory
> > of Relativity, he needed knowledge of more modern mathematics:
> > tensor calculus and Riemannian geometry, the latter developed
> > by the mathematical genius Bernhard Riemann, a professor in
> > Göttingen. These were the essential tools for shaping Einstein’s
> > thought.
> 
> That's just someone's opinion.  Einstein needed help with mathematics 
> because he had to use mathematics in the papers he wrote.  He seems to 
> have developed the ideas without mathematics, but then needed to use 
> mathematics in the papers so that experiments could be performed.  My 
> understanding is that a close friend, Marcel Grossman helped him with 
> the math.  According a paper at the following link, "Grossmann wrote the 
> mathematical part of this paper and Einstein wrote the physical part":
> https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.3386.pdf  
> 
So he didn't battle with all mathematicians.

Now, I do see that I overread your initial claim.
I let it spill over to a battle between physics and
mathematics. Point ceded to you.

Enjoy,
Ed

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#471327

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-10 14:13 -0700
Message-ID<9a585028-4038-4a89-91af-d63e6e7e6309@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#471250
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 8:32:49 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/mathematics-and-albert-einstein/
> > 
> > With this observation from that site:
> > In fact, mathematical creativity was fundamental in Einstein’s
> > contributions. At the time he was conceiving the General Theory
> > of Relativity, he needed knowledge of more modern mathematics:
> > tensor calculus and Riemannian geometry, the latter developed
> > by the mathematical genius Bernhard Riemann, a professor in
> > Göttingen. These were the essential tools for shaping Einstein’s
> > thought.
> 
> That's just someone's opinion.  Einstein needed help with mathematics 
> because he had to use mathematics in the papers he wrote.  He seems to 
> have developed the ideas without mathematics,

No, in fact what you wrote above is an oxymoron. 

Like so many people around here, you confuse philosophy with science.
Physics is a study of certain mathematical models, there is no way
around it. There is no such thing as developing ideas in physics
"without mathematics". If you do that, you are doing philosophy which
has its own strict rules.

> My understanding is that a close friend, Marcel Grossman helped him with 
> the math.

Yes, but this happened for a very different reason than you think. It's
not because the mathematics was not essential, it's because differential
geometry (known as "absolute calculus" back then) was not known to physicists
AND Einstein knew that he needed it, badly. That's why he asked
his friend about it. He would have used it himself from square one
if he had been familiar with it.

You have this obsession/agenda/monomania about mathematics being somehow
"FAPP ignorable" in physics. This approach will NEVER work. You'll be
forever running in circles here.

--
Jan

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#471328

FromWilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf>
Date2018-09-10 21:18 +0000
Message-ID<pn6n3b$1sf7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#471327
JanPB wrote:

> On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
>> That's just someone's opinion.  Einstein needed help with mathematics
>> because he had to use mathematics in the papers he wrote.  He seems to
>> have developed the ideas without mathematics,
> 
> No, in fact what you wrote above is an oxymoron.

Of course not.

> Like so many people around here, you confuse philosophy with science.
> Physics is a study of certain mathematical models, there is no way
> around it. There is no such thing as developing ideas in physics
> "without mathematics". If you do that, you are doing philosophy which
> has its own strict rules.

Nonsense. There are tons of Nobels awarded in physics for zero math 
developments and papers. Only reasoning and common sense.

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#471335

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-10 14:56 -0700
Message-ID<66843d1e-ea16-4875-9b8c-9ba673666812@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#471328
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-7, Wilbur Foley wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> >> That's just someone's opinion.  Einstein needed help with mathematics
> >> because he had to use mathematics in the papers he wrote.  He seems to
> >> have developed the ideas without mathematics,
> > 
> > No, in fact what you wrote above is an oxymoron.
> 
> Of course not.
> 
> > Like so many people around here, you confuse philosophy with science.
> > Physics is a study of certain mathematical models, there is no way
> > around it. There is no such thing as developing ideas in physics
> > "without mathematics". If you do that, you are doing philosophy which
> > has its own strict rules.
> 
> Nonsense. There are tons of Nobels awarded in physics for zero math 
> developments and papers. Only reasoning and common sense.

Keep fantasising. Good luck.

--
Jan

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#471538

FromWilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf>
Date2018-09-12 16:37 +0000
Message-ID<pnbfd5$1ehq$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#471335
JanPB wrote:

>> > Like so many people around here, you confuse philosophy with science.
>> > Physics is a study of certain mathematical models, there is no way
>> > around it. There is no such thing as developing ideas in physics
>> > "without mathematics". If you do that, you are doing philosophy which
>> > has its own strict rules.
>> 
>> Nonsense. There are tons of Nobels awarded in physics for zero math
>> developments and papers. Only reasoning and common sense.
> 
> Keep fantasising. Good luck.

bobble chamber for instance, zero mathmatics. 

"Donald A. Glaser,[1] for which he was awarded the 1960 Nobel Prize in 
Physics.[2] Supposedly, Glaser was "

I must insist.

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#471566

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-12 13:34 -0700
Message-ID<d7099f18-c941-48b2-bb9a-bb6ad76b7acc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#471538
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 9:38:00 AM UTC-7, Wilbur Foley wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> > Like so many people around here, you confuse philosophy with science.
> >> > Physics is a study of certain mathematical models, there is no way
> >> > around it. There is no such thing as developing ideas in physics
> >> > "without mathematics". If you do that, you are doing philosophy which
> >> > has its own strict rules.
> >> 
> >> Nonsense. There are tons of Nobels awarded in physics for zero math
> >> developments and papers. Only reasoning and common sense.
> > 
> > Keep fantasising. Good luck.
> 
> bobble chamber for instance, zero mathmatics. 
> 
> "Donald A. Glaser,[1] for which he was awarded the 1960 Nobel Prize in 
> Physics.[2] Supposedly, Glaser was "
> 
> I must insist.

Yes but Ed is not building anything. He thinks he can do away with
physics and replace it with a fantasy of his.

--
Jan

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#471321

FromRichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com>
Date2018-09-10 13:02 -0700
Message-ID<e95918fc-1c04-45ca-a00f-f5867fb611c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#471247
On September 10, Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>> The battle between Einstein and mathematicians is well known.  
>>>> It's been going on for over a hundred years.
>
>> In early 1912, Einstein famously lamented, “Since the mathematicians 
>> have invaded the theory of relativity I do not understand it myself anymore.”
>
> Funny, that was in the time leading up to the General Theory
> when Einstein did struggle with the mathematics. Yet he also
> said:
> "Of course, experience retains its quality as the ultimate
>  criterion of the physical utility of a mathematical construction.
>  But the creative principle resides in mathematics."

Ed Lake obtusely, and conveniently, consistently mis-interprets 
Einstein's quote regarding the mathematicians.

It was tongue in cheek, he was actually PRAISING and thanking 
them for their contributions; paraphrased, "My theory is so deep, 
I didn't see all the ramifications.  Others have delved deeper, 
they've discovered things I missed, I'm grateful for their efforts."

Which is rather inconvenient for Lake's thesis-  


--
Rich

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#470682

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 15:01 -0700
Message-ID<249f5f6c-690f-47ee-894c-ed32a978dbdd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470621
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 7:43:08 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 7:10:04 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry that you understand nothing but mathematics and can discuss nothing but mathematics.  You should really try to understand the science and the concepts behind time dilation.  It is far FAR more interesting than just memorizing equations and dogma.

Two points:

1. You can pretend as much as you want that people who actually understand
this stuff only "understand nothing but mathematics". This attitude
will lead you nowhere as it corresponds only to a phantom, not reality.
(I understand very well that this phantom makes you feel like you can
contribute.)

2. Science is not "memorizing equations and dogma" either.

Your problem in general is that for whatever reason you don't want to study 
mathematics but are obsessed with physics, bordering on monomania. So in
order to do that, you have invented a phantom knowledge: "physics without
mathematics". Which is exactly like "Bach's fugues without music".

What you should study instead is philosophy. It's very interesting in its
own way. But physics simply IS a study of certain mathematical models. If
you don't know them, you have nothing in physics except pop-sci metaphors.
And these cannot be used for valid critiques, period.

You have no case and no legal standing. You are wasting your life away.

--
Jan

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#470828

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-07 08:40 -0700
Message-ID<dd0ac193-6282-4c3e-a821-afb39c097566@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470682
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 5:01:19 PM UTC-5, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 7:43:08 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 7:10:04 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sorry that you understand nothing but mathematics and can discuss nothing but mathematics.  You should really try to understand the science and the concepts behind time dilation.  It is far FAR more interesting than just memorizing equations and dogma.
> 
> Two points:
> 
> 1. You can pretend as much as you want that people who actually understand
> this stuff only "understand nothing but mathematics". This attitude
> will lead you nowhere as it corresponds only to a phantom, not reality.
> (I understand very well that this phantom makes you feel like you can
> contribute.)
> 
> 2. Science is not "memorizing equations and dogma" either.
> 
> Your problem in general is that for whatever reason you don't want to study 
> mathematics but are obsessed with physics, bordering on monomania. So in
> order to do that, you have invented a phantom knowledge: "physics without
> mathematics". Which is exactly like "Bach's fugues without music".
> 
> What you should study instead is philosophy. It's very interesting in its
> own way. But physics simply IS a study of certain mathematical models. If
> you don't know them, you have nothing in physics except pop-sci metaphors.
> And these cannot be used for valid critiques, period.
> 
> You have no case and no legal standing. You are wasting your life away.
> 
> --
> Jan

How can I be wasting my life away if I'm having a great time doing something that I find to be absolutely fascinating?

My life has been spent doing things I find fascinating.  

The idea of just sitting around memorizing and regurgitating dogma is  incomprehensible to me. 

Ed

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#470829

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-07 08:48 -0700
Message-ID<aeafd856-d922-4b1e-b3e5-0e835c87354d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470828
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 8:40:52 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:

> How can I be wasting my life away if I'm having a great time doing something that I find to be absolutely fascinating?
> 

That is, trolling and demonstrating your natural imbecility

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#470616

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-09-06 05:42 -0700
Message-ID<0a7543d5-b2b7-4b40-bd69-b0e4c56d7d2b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470539
On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 11:57:42 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 11:38:49 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > El miércoles, 5 de septiembre de 2018, 13:03:15 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > > On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:18:09 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> >  
> > > > You did not read the part above, where Dr Alley explains the subject of time
> > > > dilation.
> > > 
> > > Right.  I did not read that.  It's about spacetime, which is a mathematical theory that has nothing to do with reality.
> > > 
> > 
> > You wrote before: "In order to have a "discussion," you have to discuss THE
> > SUBJECT, not your beliefs about how I use words."
> >  
> > So you are then contradicting yourself, by asserting your OPINION about what
> > spacetime is. Do you have any real facts to say that "spacetime, which is a
> > mathematical theory that has nothing to do with reality."?
> 
> Spacetime does not use any math which involves how atoms spin.  Atomic clocks measure time by measuring how atoms and particles spin.


(Eduado Del Lago) = (Tard )^7

Can't Fix Cretin !!!


https://photos.app.goo.gl/ktLZvgei2nNwiG7f8

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#470526

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-05 08:59 -0700
Message-ID<ebf461d8-7896-462e-b684-dfc77de33168@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470489
On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 4:29:41 PM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
> 
> For sure, there in the abstract (https://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=905055)
> we read:
> 
> "We observed time dilation from relative speeds of less than 10 meters per
> second by comparing two optical atomic clocks connected by a 75-meter length of
> optical fiber. We can now also detect time dilation due to a change in height
> near Earth’s surface of less than 1 meter." 
> 
> Again they measured time dilation from relative speeds of less than 10 m/sec
> AND time dilation due to a change in height of less than 1 m!!
> 
> So your assertion of "only involved Gravitational Time Dilation." is clearly wrong.
> 
> Furthermore, see figure 2 despicting the results of the time dilation from
> relative speeds. Figure 3 shows the results of the gravitational time dilation.
> 
> Figure 3B shows the actual results, with the vertical error bars representing
> the statistical uncertainties. Green lines and yellow shaded bands indicate,
> respectively, the averages and statistical uncertainties for the first 13 data
> points (blue symbols) and the remaining 5 data points (red symbols). Each data
> point represents about 8000 s of clock-comparison data.
> 
> How are these values obtained? First, The two Al+ optical clocks were located in
> separate laboratories and were compared by transmitting the stable clock signal
> through a 75-m length of phase-stabilized optical fiber.
> 
> This implies that both clocks were not AT THE SAME PLACE, and the comparison 
> was made by using SIGNALS transmitted through the optical fiber.
> 
> You have to understand that clocks are measuring the passage of time (at their
> own location). This is clearly explained in page 695 of the link of your experiment number 6, where you can read:
> 
> "Now we have all we need in order to deduce the effect of motion on clocks.
> Consider Figure 10, which shows the worldline of a moving clock with the events
> corresponding to a couple of ticks on the clock in the space-time diagram for
> some inertial observer. Between the two ticks, the inertial observer will say
> there's a certain interval of time, Delta t, which we will call the coordinate
> time interval. The moving observer, of course, will record the interval between
> his own ticks and we will call that the interval of proper time, Delta Tau."
> 
> Then they present the derivation showing the relationship between the proper
> time interval and the coordinate time interval, which is the time dilation:
> 
> Delta Tau = [sqrt( 1 - v^2/c^2)] Delta t 
> 
> Finally, the paper writes the following (see figure 11):
> 
> "This famous equation, of course, is one of the basic equations that we will be
> dealing with. If we consider two clocks, A and B, which are moving along
> different paths in space-time, as shown in Figure 11, the B elapsed proper time
> for each will be different. "Your time is not my time." If we synchronize the
> clocks when they are together and they then go on different paths and rejoin,
> one must eva1uate an integral to qet the elapsed proper time for each clock
> with respect to the coordinate time for some inertial observer."
> 
> Your misunderstanding lies in the fact you think the clocks change rates, where 
> the real situation is that every clock is measuring the time at the location
> where it is located. It is the time what changes and not the clocks!!
> 
> When you raise a clock to the top of a mountain, it is time what changes and as
> each clock is used to measure the time, the reading of that clock will for sure
> change.



"For v/c << 1, Eq. 1 can be approximated by df/f_0 ≈ −v^2>/2c^2"


Hm.  It seems quite good.  

About the twin paradox, here's another: triplets.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=twin+paradox+triplet+paradox

Here's one that frames the idea similar to what 
I have here: http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/html/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2015040201.15.html 
Leus, "Triplet Paradox in Special Relativity and Discrepancy with Electromagnetism",
which is to send two observers in opposite directions 
and then when they return to meet they're the same age.

But, setting either constant, they each accelerated 
away from each other.  Basically there's the idea that 
when the moving frame has enough relativistic mass 
that it is more than the mass of the abandoned frame, 
the clocks go back to absolute motion's redshift/blueshift.


"Since any asymmetry depending on the direction 
of the motion – whether to the right or to the left 
from the platform along x axis – would violate the 
idea of the homogeneity and isotropy of space," – 
explains Charles – "you have to admit the following ...".


Here I'd add emphasis about "the idea of the homogeneity 
and isotropy of space".

From the "CADO Reference Frame" page:
"It can be immediately seen from the CADO equation 
that if at any instant , either v or L is zero, then CADO_T 
is equal to CADO_H. I.e., if, at any instant in the traveler's 
life, he is stationary with respect to his twin, then he will 
agree with her about their respective ages, regardless of 
how far apart they are. Or, if at any instant they are co-located, 
they will agree about their respective ages, regardless of 
whether or not they have any relative motion at that instant. "


This is teleparallelism of a sort and for space contraction.

Here's another idea, the doublet.

Two identical worlds send a traveler each to the other 
at the same time.  They arrive at the same time.
When the travelers passed they had the same time, too.

Now reduce the distance to zero.

Another one is the double-blind.  A leaves and 
then a coin is flipped whether B joins or A returns.
Aren't they the same age?

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1002.4154.pdf Grøn, "The twin paradox and the principle of relativity"


Here's an idea for an experiment to test if "space contraction" 
is real.  Attach to a rigid frame a counter and on the other side 
a jet (eg a rocket or hose) and run a light path back and forth 
from the counter that emits a signal in light and counts returns, 
i.e., detects changes in length in the path.  Then run the jet 
and watch the counter for that space was contracted.

It might make as much sense to use a sort of ion stream and see 
that a particle accelerator's output to a free target has then 
the space measured between the outlet and target, also 
"what's causing the stress fractures in the linac shell", 
here in a context of "radiation reaction force", 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham%E2%80%93Lorentz_force .


Another one is the unbounded clones, send one after another 
the clones that each keep time with respect to each other, 
that as the distance goes to zero the clone that's last leaving 
passes the clone first returning and their clocks don't differ 
(about that they don't match).


In a particle model, these twins as particles basically pull 
the destinations together ("space contraction").  These 
hypothetical particles basically reflect a potential.


There are many confounding thought experiments to 
complement the data including measured clock differences 
with respect to travel and gravity's potential.

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#470399

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-04 01:39 +0200
Message-ID<0d25294b-484f-d6c5-c30c-308eda9c292e@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470386
Ed Lake wrote:
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 1:02:47 PM UTC-5, Haných Ltskáš wrote:
>> Edward Prochak wrote:
>>>> You know what's coming next, don't you. He's going to show that he is
>>>> unable to read --let alone understand-- your comments.
>>>> Get ready now. Or rather, get real.
>>> Oh, I know. I usually write such posts for those that only read these
>>> posts, so that they receive some semblance or reality. The sad thing is,
>>> Ed Lake could be better, should be better. Sad really.
>>
>> As I can read, unlike you, Dr. Ed Lake is rejecting mainstream dogma, 
>> which are many.

You do not even have the decency to object your being called a “Dr.” even
though you are not.

> I don't know if it is "mainstream dogma" or not.  I hope not.  But it is 
> definitely "mathematician dogma."

So you still do not understand that mathematics is the toolbox of physics
and physicists because different to (natural) philosophy it does not suffice
in the natural sciences to argue qualitatively.

> You can argue that the "mainstream" is what is shown on TV shows and in 
> popular science articles.

But we know that those are – must be – simplifications, sometimes
oversimplifications.  In order to really understand physics, you have to
learn it at school or at a university.  There is no way around that.

> The mathematicians claim that is all LIES and the "dumbing down" of reality
> because the common people (i.e., non-mathematicians) cannot comprehend "reality." 
> 
> I just put together a list of 12 time dilation experiments which show that 
> clocks run slower when they are moving and when they are at lower altitudes.. 
> Tom Roberts and others here claim it is all just LIES by incompetent people 

You are delusional.  If anyone is lying about everything and everyone, and
is blissfully incompetent here, it is you here.

> (like those at the National Institute for Standards and Technology and at the 
> National Physical Laboratory) and that time runs at the same rate everywhere.

It does.  Your problem is that – despite it has been explained to you /ad
nauseam/ – you are unable to grasp the idea that time/clocks can run at the
same rate everywhere *where the clocks are* and still a different *amount*
of time can pass in different reference frames.

> Here's the list: http://www.ed-lake.com/Time-Dilation-Experiments.html

The list is not really the issue here (the first point, the Hafele–Keating
experiment, has been mentioned to you a gazillion times, so it is nothing
original on your part; one could also say that it is another lie by you to
claim that you have found it instead).  The issue is your wrong, crackpot
interpretation of it.
 --
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#470139

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 07:15 -0700
Message-ID<856d0d05-dd2b-4ed1-b122-d9e53f75e6e8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470078
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:57:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > > Hey guys, I'm baaaack.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I just put a new paper on vixra.org.  It is titled "Variable Time and the
> > > > > Variable Speed of Light."  Here is the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0289v6.pdf
> > > > > 
> > > > > And here is the opening paragraph:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "The fact that the speed of light is variable is demonstrated almost every day. No matter where you measure the speed of light, if you measure it correctly, you will get a result of 299,792,458 meters per second. Does this mean that the speed of light is the same everywhere? No. It means the speed of light PER SECOND is the same everywhere. And, according to Einstein’s Theories of Special and General Relativity, the length of a second can be different almost everywhere. That means that if you measure the speed of light to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in one location, and if you also measure it to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in another location, if the length of a second is different at those two locations, then the speed of light is also different."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Since the facts in that paragraph are undeniable, I assume everyone here fully agrees with it.  Nevertheless, I'd be interested in your thoughts. :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the
> > > > speed of light is variable to an audience in New York City
> > > > in 1921.  It was reported on in the New York Times for
> > > > April 19 of that year with the title "Einstein Defines the
> > > > Speed of Light."  You can find the article here:
> > > > http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
> > > > 
> > > > How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is invariable?
> > > > 
> > > > Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a
> > > > reference in my paper.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > So you read the subheading, but not the actual content,
> > > apparently. Or you read the summary by the web page owner,
> > > who also did not read the article itself.
> > > 
> > > The subtitle reads:
> > > "Says Its Velocity Is Relatively Variable
> > >  Based Upon Whether System Is In Motion"
> > > 
> > > Nowhere in the article does Einstein say that.
> > > He does describe the gedanken experiment under the assumption
> > > that the speed of light is variable, then goes on to describe
> > > how the Michelson experiment disproves that.
> > > 
> > > (This web page owner does lousy pictures of this article BTW.
> > > Poorly cropped and done at odd angles.)
> > > 
> > > So, this really isn't the source you're looking for.
> > > 
> > > Better luck next time.
> > >   Ed
> > 
> > I also have a copy of the book "Albert Meets America:
> > How Journalists Treated Genius During Einstein's 1921
> > Travels.  The New York Times article is on page 103.
> >  It's not only very readable, I can copy and past from
> > it.  Here's one section:
> 
> 
> BTW, thank you for posting the actual text of the article,
> especially as this is the relevant section.
> 
> > 
> > -- start quote --
> > Velocity of Light Variable
> > 
> > The special relativity theory arose from the question
> > of whether light had an invariable velocity in free space,
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> IOW he begins by asking is c constant?

NO!!!!  HE IS NOT!!!!  He is asking if the speed of light is INVARIABLE in free space.

That is VERY DIFFERENT from asking if c is a constant.  c contains a VARIABLE.  It is a measurement PER SECOND, and the length of a second is variable.

The rest of what you posted is just more misinterpretations and misunderstandings because you fail to understand that c is a variable, is is NOT a constant, because the length of a second is variable.

> Obviously the editors misunderstood as well, or they would
> not have used that incorrect subtitle.

It appears that everyone who disagrees with you is just misunderstanding what Einstein wrote or said.  The editors/reporters were there.  You weren't.  You are arguing that the people who were actually there and heard what was actually said misunderstood.  And you know better than they do.  Can't you see how ABSURD your argument is?

Ed  

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#470309

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-09-02 20:14 -0700
Message-ID<e7938da3-4841-4be9-b049-a9a5497ff8a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470139
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:15:39 AM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:16:27 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:

> > > 
> > > I also have a copy of the book "Albert Meets America:
> > > How Journalists Treated Genius During Einstein's 1921
> > > Travels.  The New York Times article is on page 103.
> > >  It's not only very readable, I can copy and past from
> > > it.  Here's one section:
> > 
> > 
> > BTW, thank you for posting the actual text of the article,
> > especially as this is the relevant section.
> > 
> > > 
> > > -- start quote --
> > > Velocity of Light Variable
> > > 
> > > The special relativity theory arose from the question
> > > of whether light had an invariable velocity in free space,
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > IOW he begins by asking is c constant?
> 
> NO!!!!  HE IS NOT!!!!  He is asking if the speed of light
> is INVARIABLE in free space.
> 
> That is VERY DIFFERENT from asking if c is a constant.

{reminding myself: if you cannot say something nice,
 then say nothing at all.}

>  c contains a VARIABLE.  It is a measurement PER SECOND,
> and the length of a second is variable.

this is where you go off the rails and I am not
going to explain it to you yet again.
> 
> The rest of what you posted is just more misinterpretations
> and misunderstandings because you fail to understand that
> c is a variable, is is NOT a constant, because the length
> of a second is variable.
> 
> > Obviously the editors misunderstood as well, or they would
> > not have used that incorrect subtitle.
> 
> It appears that everyone who disagrees with you

Hmmm. About the only one disagreeing with me in this thread
is you.

> is just misunderstanding what Einstein wrote or said.
>  The editors/reporters were there.  You weren't.

the editors and reporters are exactly that and not scientists.

>  You are arguing that the people who were actually there
> and heard what was actually said misunderstood.  And you
> know better than they do.  Can't you see how ABSURD your
> argument is?
> 
> Ed

yes that is my argument. But it is not based on my opinion.
It is based on reading Einstein's own writings. It is also
based on having done such calculations. Also, isn't telling
that professional Physicists happen to agree with me?
Ask them who is being absurd here.

Enjoy,
  Ed

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#470193

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-01 18:42 -0700
Message-ID<e7fc0e45-56dd-4f3f-b51e-5ef1d2176750@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470024
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 9:57:55 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > Hey guys, I'm baaaack.
> > 
> > I just put a new paper on vixra.org.  It is titled "Variable Time and the
> > Variable Speed of Light."  Here is the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0289v6.pdf
> > 
> > And here is the opening paragraph:
> > 
> > "The fact that the speed of light is variable is demonstrated almost every day. No matter where you measure the speed of light, if you measure it correctly, you will get a result of 299,792,458 meters per second. Does this mean that the speed of light is the same everywhere? No. It means the speed of light PER SECOND is the same everywhere. And, according to Einstein’s Theories of Special and General Relativity, the length of a second can be different almost everywhere. That means that if you measure the speed of light to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in one location, and if you also measure it to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in another location, if the length of a second is different at those two locations, then the speed of light is also different."
> > 
> > Since the facts in that paragraph are undeniable, I assume everyone here fully agrees with it.  Nevertheless, I'd be interested in your thoughts. :-)
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the speed of light is variable to an audience in New York City in 1921.  It was reported on in the New York Times for April 19 of that year with the title "Einstein Defines the Speed of Light."  You can find the article here: http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
> 
> How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is invariable?
> 
> Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a reference in my paper.
> 
> Ed

Cretin,

The article says that the VELOCITY (not the speed) is frame variable. This is true, this has been known for hundreds of years , google "light aberration".
Face it, Ed, you are a cretin.

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#470199

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-02 06:33 +0200
Message-ID<82eaaa7a-69d8-3a1b-c84f-fe9f3ea70d2c@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470193
"Dono," trolled:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 9:57:55 AM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote:
>> I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the speed
>> of light is variable to an audience in New York City in 1921.  It was
>> reported on in the New York Times for April 19 of that year with the
>> title "Einstein Defines the Speed of Light."  You can find the article
>> here: http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
>> 
>> How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is
>> invariable?
>> 
>> Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a reference in my
>> paper.
> 
> The article says that the VELOCITY (not the speed) is frame variable.

It does not.  In fact, it says the exact opposite.  You need to read past
the wrong subtitles.  The key part is this:

| […] Professor Einstein apologized for speaking in German.

This sentence will become important later on.

| Velocity of Light Variable

This subtitle ranges from misleading to just plain wrong, because:

| The special relativity theory arose from the question of whether light had
| an invariable velocity in free space, [Einstein] said.

Most certainly he did not say that, but the original meaning was lost
in translation from German or ignorance of the reporter.  For the proper
term is “invariant”; it has been then and is till today, in English *and*
German.

| The velocity of light could only be measured relative to a body or a
| coordinate system. He sketched a coordinate system K to which light had
| the velocity C.

Here we can see the ignorance of the reporter with regard to physics very
clearly.  Not only would Einstein have used the *small* letter “c” as he did
in all his writings after 1907 ¹) (and the reported talk took place in
1921), also to avoid confusion with the labels for coordinate system for
which he used uppercase letters (in his papers and there).

But also he would not have referred to the velocity of light, but the SPEED
of light (velocity is a vector quantity: it has a magnitude – speed – and a
direction).  The original meaning is lost in translation and ignorance of
the reporter because by the reporter’s own account the talk was given in
German where there is only one noun, „Geschwindigkeit“, for both English
nouns (one may use the compound, „Geschwindigkeitsvektor“, to refer to the
vector quantity, velocity, explicitly, in German).  (I am a physics student
whose native language is German, so contrary to the reporter I know what I
am talking about.)

| Whether the system was in motion or not was the fundamental principle.

This sentence does not make any sense, unless it is a misprint that really
should have been the relative clause

“[light had the velocity C], whether the system was in motion or not, was
the fundamental principle.”

| This had been developed through the researches of Maxwell and Lorentz,
| the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light having been based
| on many of their experiments.  But did it hold for only one system? he
| asked.
|   He gave the example of a street and [text clipped]  If the coordinate
| system K was introduced, moving with velocity V, did light have the
| velocity of C there?  When the light traveled the system moved with it,
| so it would appear that light moved slower and the principle apparently
| did not hold.
|   Many famous experiments had been made on this point. Michelson showed
| that relative to the moving coordinate system K1, the light traveled with
| the same velocity as relative to K, which is contrary to the above
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| observation.  How could this be reconciled? Professor Einstein asked.

(Again, _speed_, not velocity.)

| How to Define Relative Time
|
| The answer lay, as he said, in the dependency of time on the co-ordinate
| system. […]

So Einstein did NOT say that the speed of light would not be
invariable/invariant, but he said that if it would not be invariant,
then there would be a problem, and he showed that the problem could
be avoided by considering more carefully what is meant by “time”.

This sounds exactly as he wrote in “On the Relativity Principle and the
Conclusions Drawn From It” (1907/1908), of which the official translation is
as follows:

,-<https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-trans/267>
|
| […] Michelson and Morley's experiment had actually shown that phenomena
| agree with the principle of relativity even where this was not to be
| expected from the Lorentz theory. It seemed therefore as if Lorentz's
| theory should be abandoned and replaced by a theory whose foundations
| correspond to the principle of relativity, because such a theory would
| readily predict the negative result of the Michelson and Morley
| experiment. [5]
|   Surprisingly, however, it turned out that a sufficiently sharpened
| conception of time was all that was needed to overcome the difficulty
| discussed. […]

> [that the VELOCITY (not the speed) is frame variable] is true,

Not in the sense that you are referring to, and certainly in no sense that
Einstein referred to in the reported talk (as he did not discuss general
relativity there).

> this has been known for hundreds of years , google "light aberration".

Instead, the aberration of light is observational evidence that the speed of
light IS locally CONSTANT and that there is no *dragged* luminiferous
(light-carrying) aether.

In fact, before more precise measurement methods were available, the
aberration of light was USED to estimate the value for the constant speed
of light to be the equivalent of ca. 301'000 km∕s (Bradley 1729).

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#History>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberration_of_light>

> Face it, Ed, you are a cretin.

Pot calling the kettle black.

¹) cf.
   <https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-doc/463> („V“)
   vs.
   <https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-doc/468> f. („c“)

   Corresponding official English translations:

   <https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-doc/470>
   <https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-trans/266> p.
-- 
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#470245

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-09-02 07:38 -0700
Message-ID<87bda8b8-9304-41ee-8ba7-843e01b3bd0c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470199
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:33:12 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> "Dono," trolled:


Don't be an imbecile, I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant. I also pointed the other imbecile to googling "light aberration". You should try that as well. 

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#470254

FromUnaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp>
Date2018-09-02 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<pmhaab$o7k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470245
Dono, wrote:

> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:33:12 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars'
> Lahn wrote:
>> "Dono," trolled:
> 
> Don't be an imbecile, 

You can't. He is.

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#470323

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-03 11:13 +0200
Message-ID<3209b286-1e2a-6df9-aa65-1d2ebd020bd5@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470245
"Dono," (sic) trolled:
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:33:12 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> "Dono," trolled:
> 
> Don't be an imbecile,

LOL

> I said clearly that VELOCITY is frame variant, speed is frame invariant.

Which is WRONG.

It is DOUBLY wrong regarding the velocity and speed of light.
Learn to read.

> I also pointed the other imbecile to googling "light aberration". You should try that as well. 

Pot, kettle, black.  Apparently you simply can’t read.

-- 
PointedEars

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