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Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-08-15 09:48 -0700
Last post2018-09-13 12:29 +0000
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  Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-15 09:48 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-15 19:17 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-15 11:58 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-16 13:18 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-16 10:27 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-16 10:30 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-06 01:07 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-19 16:06 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-19 10:43 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 15:56 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-20 06:45 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:35 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-21 19:45 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:41 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 00:14 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-21 22:48 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-21 19:43 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-09-23 16:23 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 16:44 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 11:07 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:16 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jayson Durante <tug@wsedwsa.np> - 2018-09-20 19:43 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-20 15:38 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-20 23:34 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:23 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-21 11:25 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:17 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-22 10:36 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 20:23 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 15:48 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-19 09:19 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:58 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-19 23:43 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-15 19:51 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-16 04:38 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:13 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-16 07:21 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:24 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:44 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-16 22:42 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 07:14 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 07:43 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 16:57 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 08:59 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 09:22 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 11:23 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:06 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 14:26 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 23:39 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:44 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-17 18:04 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:55 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:45 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:48 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 22:42 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:54 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-18 16:45 +0200
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-18 08:05 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Sushika Imaki <kukih@wkkss.ki> - 2018-08-18 17:52 +0000
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-19 00:32 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 19:08 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-17 19:07 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 08:04 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light egas@pacbell.net - 2018-08-17 09:20 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:44 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 15:07 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 23:40 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-28 00:35 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-08-15 12:14 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 20:55 +0000
    Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-15 17:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 20:44 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 21:59 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:33 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-19 19:15 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-20 14:09 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:07 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-16 17:11 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-17 18:48 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 10:02 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-17 19:11 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 00:18 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-16 00:40 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 00:56 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 07:09 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-16 10:20 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 13:18 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:36 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 09:58 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-16 13:03 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-16 18:24 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-16 13:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-17 13:13 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:01 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-08-17 14:45 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:44 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-16 10:14 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 09:46 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 13:47 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-17 14:08 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 14:49 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-17 15:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:57 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 06:51 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-18 13:49 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-17 19:28 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-18 07:55 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:46 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:37 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 17:45 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 11:21 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:20 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-23 05:52 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-19 15:51 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 16:09 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-19 19:59 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 06:52 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-20 08:03 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 22:01 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 05:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 05:29 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:01 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-20 10:54 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 18:06 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 17:23 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 09:12 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:30 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 17:24 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:03 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 20:51 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 23:22 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:05 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 16:59 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 01:04 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 21:54 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:04 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 16:55 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-22 07:21 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:39 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 10:48 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 09:48 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 09:54 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:13 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 11:46 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 10:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:16 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 11:39 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 12:54 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:02 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:06 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:07 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:28 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 13:31 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:39 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 13:57 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:11 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 14:35 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 15:47 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 13:55 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 14:31 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-22 14:46 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 07:38 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 10:00 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 13:54 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 15:51 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 21:20 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 07:49 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:16 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:28 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:20 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:00 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 10:34 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-22 11:41 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:24 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-21 21:17 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 22:05 +0200
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:12 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:20 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-08-23 10:44 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 20:12 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 11:19 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 11:24 +0100
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 22:53 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-19 10:36 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-19 20:51 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-19 12:47 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-19 23:15 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:04 +0000
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 01:15 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 12:54 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 07:28 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 16:48 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 08:12 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 08:39 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-20 17:51 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 09:02 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:45 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-20 12:53 -0500
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:22 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 13:41 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 21:21 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 11:11 -0500
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 10:01 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-22 20:23 -0500
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:20 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-23 11:52 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 10:15 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 13:37 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-23 15:15 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 21:13 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-24 06:20 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Eters Beckenbauer <lrrif@dnewrersd.ne> - 2018-08-24 13:25 +0000
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-25 03:33 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-28 11:09 +0000
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-28 08:37 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-28 09:00 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-28 16:07 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 07:30 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-24 08:12 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 08:47 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-24 09:02 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-24 09:12 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:29 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:53 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 13:11 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:55 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 15:29 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:02 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 09:13 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 09:50 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 12:57 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 13:28 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-20 13:38 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-20 13:56 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-21 09:54 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-21 07:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:10 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 07:18 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:51 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 09:55 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 13:51 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:02 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 23:29 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:05 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:37 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-08-21 14:48 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 15:22 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 10:28 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 08:52 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 07:39 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-08-22 10:51 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 02:17 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-22 07:13 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:10 +0000
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 14:07 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-22 11:36 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-21 17:09 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-21 14:01 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-22 11:45 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-20 23:24 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-21 20:33 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-22 15:04 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 07:18 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 10:45 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-22 12:08 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 18:25 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 04:46 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 20:18 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-22 23:36 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 09:23 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 19:55 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-23 15:17 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 03:48 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 08:24 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-23 00:39 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 17:06 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 01:03 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 16:18 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 02:01 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 17:51 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 18:06 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-25 11:39 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 03:33 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-24 16:41 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-25 02:45 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-25 09:49 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-26 23:27 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 12:38 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-28 11:01 -0500
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-28 09:59 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 14:25 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 08:58 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 10:45 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 12:19 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 13:14 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 13:26 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 13:58 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 14:36 -0700
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 14:52 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 13:18 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-30 07:56 -0500
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-30 09:21 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 16:27 +0000
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:07 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:52 +0000
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 15:43 +0200
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-27 11:22 -0500
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Toloni D'antonio <uut@gwrroei.ta> - 2018-08-27 16:37 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 10:24 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 17:20 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:43 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 10:51 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 18:01 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-27 18:13 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 19:30 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:53 +0200
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 15:10 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-27 18:31 -0500
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light hallstoncliff@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 19:13 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 09:39 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 12:40 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Eters Beckenbauer <lrrif@dnewrersd.ne> - 2018-08-23 14:43 +0000
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-25 23:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-26 22:53 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-27 23:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-24 15:22 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-25 07:11 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-22 14:46 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-23 07:50 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 08:50 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-23 13:34 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-23 13:37 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 14:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:29 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-24 06:10 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:24 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-25 23:37 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-08-26 06:40 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-08-26 08:48 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:53 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 15:57 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 16:12 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 16:25 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 16:45 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 17:50 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 01:24 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-24 02:04 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-24 08:16 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 17:14 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-23 18:36 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-24 17:04 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 11:41 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 18:54 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 12:32 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 23:08 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 13:11 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 13:13 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 00:47 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-27 20:28 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 00:59 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 01:37 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:51 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 13:05 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 23:46 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 16:12 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:41 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 17:00 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 17:51 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-29 10:46 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:04 +0200
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-29 11:22 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 20:42 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 13:06 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-29 22:10 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-29 15:35 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-30 22:48 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-30 15:36 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 10:55 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-27 13:59 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-27 23:19 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:10 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 01:18 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 16:27 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 02:06 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 09:19 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 16:52 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-28 10:32 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 22:09 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 13:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-08-27 17:10 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-28 21:47 +0200
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 11:17 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-08-28 17:05 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 09:57 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 12:38 -0500
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 18:40 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:03 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-31 21:17 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 12:42 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 20:29 -0500
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-09-01 12:53 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-04 10:20 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 08:58 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 09:20 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-04 12:24 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-04 20:08 -0500
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-05 09:27 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-05 16:50 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 13:17 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-05 17:31 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 20:13 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-06 07:57 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 17:57 -0500
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-07 05:33 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-07 08:27 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-07 22:37 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 12:23 +0200
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-17 10:29 -0500
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-21 17:48 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-06 07:59 +0200
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-09-06 08:05 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 07:58 +0200
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 12:00 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 22:21 +0200
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-08 15:42 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 18:12 -0500
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 16:59 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:08 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:44 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 18:51 +0000
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 12:23 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:08 +0000
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 11:16 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 12:27 -0700
                            Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-21 15:51 -0500
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <rurof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:27 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:55 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:26 -0700
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:37 +0000
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 16:25 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-21 23:33 +0000
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 02:21 +0200
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 19:42 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:31 +0000
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 10:50 +0200
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:52 +0000
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 13:40 -0700
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-22 20:55 +0000
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 10:35 +0200
                                          Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 13:41 -0700
                                            Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 23:12 +0000
                                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 19:43 -0700
                                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 05:23 +0200
                                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:48 -0700
                                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 16:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 23:10 +0000
                                                          Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 19:30 -0700
                                            Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 04:49 +0200
                                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:47 -0700
                                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-26 00:24 +0200
                                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 15:36 -0700
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-21 17:52 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-21 23:54 -0500
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:50 +0000
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-28 17:43 -0700
                              Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 13:13 -0700
                                Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-24 10:58 -0500
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 11:20 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:07 -0500
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:35 +0000
                                  Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 22:59 -0700
                                    Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:09 -0500
                                      Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 19:44 -0700
                                        Re: Gezari's relativity paper is useless "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 21:06 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 12:31 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 22:13 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 13:04 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-08-31 23:26 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-08-31 20:34 -0500
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:15 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 19:49 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 13:42 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 14:56 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-01 16:02 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 13:03 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 22:52 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 12:03 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 12:39 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 00:45 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:10 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 11:09 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 13:57 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-09-30 16:24 +0000
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-30 11:03 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 09:58 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 19:46 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 22:14 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 10:02 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:53 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:59 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 12:18 +0200
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Fattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba> - 2018-08-31 22:12 +0000
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 11:46 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 13:16 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light alsor@interia.pl - 2018-08-31 13:45 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-08-31 14:27 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 00:03 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:29 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:33 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Emeraude Bertrand <rntmuurdu@arterabbr.ma> - 2018-09-01 14:42 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:11 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:20 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 08:31 -0700
                        Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-01 18:28 +0200
                          Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) Jeanclaude Erald <urdu@iufienv.vu> - 2018-09-01 17:40 +0000
                            Re: Usenet Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-02 05:09 +0200
                              Re: Usenet Jeanclaud Erald <urdu@iuoienv.vu> - 2018-09-02 12:49 +0000
                          Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-01 21:54 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:43 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:42 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:30 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 17:35 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-21 16:44 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-01 23:14 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-02 10:06 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:49 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-31 15:15 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-01 00:39 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 19:47 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 18:02 +0000
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 11:10 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 22:00 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 17:13 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 18:02 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 18:16 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 19:48 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-03 21:32 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-03 14:09 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-03 21:16 +0000
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 07:06 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 14:57 +0000
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 08:01 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-03 15:27 -0700
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 07:30 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-04 09:50 -0700
                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-04 10:05 -0700
                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-04 16:29 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 07:35 -0700
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-05 15:07 +0000
                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 08:18 -0700
                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 09:38 -0700
                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 09:57 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 10:47 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 12:05 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 12:35 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-05 12:42 -0700
                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-05 14:13 -0700
                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-06 05:10 -0700
                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-06 07:43 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:53 +0200
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-06 14:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 08:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 18:03 +0200
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-07 09:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 09:45 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-07 16:50 +0000
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:38 +0200
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 15:23 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 22:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 08:17 -0700
                                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 06:32 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:23 -0700
                                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 09:56 -0700
                                                            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 14:13 -0700
                                                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-10 21:18 +0000
                                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 14:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 16:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 13:34 -0700
                                                          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-10 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 15:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 08:40 -0700
                                                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-07 08:48 -0700
                                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-06 05:42 -0700
                              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-09-05 08:59 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-04 01:39 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-01 07:15 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-02 20:14 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-01 18:42 -0700
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-02 06:33 +0200
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-02 07:38 -0700
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Unaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp> - 2018-09-02 18:31 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 11:13 +0200
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 06:39 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 18:25 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-03 09:30 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:35 -0700
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 18:39 +0200
                      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:42 -0700
                        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-03 19:07 +0200
                    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-03 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:37 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 09:46 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-03 10:13 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Unaga Kinomoto <unh@oawhhi.jp> - 2018-09-02 18:32 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 13:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-02 13:53 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 15:12 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 22:43 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 16:18 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-07 05:08 +0200
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 20:18 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 11:34 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 16:53 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 00:52 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 01:25 +0000
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-06 20:07 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-06 18:15 -0500
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:44 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:46 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:49 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 12:59 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 20:09 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 13:14 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-07 20:43 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 16:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 00:53 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:09 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:17 -0700
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:42 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-07 20:56 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 13:42 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 18:26 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 20:28 -0700
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 11:58 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 19:57 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 13:22 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 20:45 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-09 15:19 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 20:46 +0000
        Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 13:25 -0700
          Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 01:16 +0000
            Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 18:55 -0700
              Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 02:20 +0000
                Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 20:14 -0700
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:42 +0200
                  Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 12:29 +0000
    Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light consequently7990662@gmail.com - 2018-09-12 20:17 -0700
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-13 10:44 +0200
      Re: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 12:29 +0000

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#473753

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2018-10-01 19:46 -0700
Message-ID<6caf67de-8601-4714-9b3e-f2bbb38e544f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#473681
On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Edward Prochak wrote:
> 
> That you replied to yourself so many times is a sign of confusion,
> at best, on your part.
> That you added no new content, shows your lack of courtesy.
> 
> get yourself some help.
> Kindly,
>   Ed

"Ross A. Finlayson wrote."

Dogmatic physics:  rote.  Hew to it.

You can take your advice and keep it, too.

I do like to have something original in 
each of these little parcels to usenet, 
but here it's just a reiteration of that 
SR is local, Lorentz is quasi-invariance 
in the total field, and a clock hypothesis.

That's "no" variable speed of light and 
"no" variable time.

Reality and aether drift:  not just cranky any-more.

I'd be interested in your opinion in physics, 
but pretty much only if I couldn't just get 
it from someone else.

I.e., that might've been interesting, 
if it would have been interesting.

So, GR, QM, UFT, SUSY, superstring theory, 
QCD/Technicolour, some mathematical universe 
hypothesis, I don't imagine you'd be "disagreeing" 
with those?  (I don't.)

Otherwise here pretty neatly working up what 
quasi-invariance or in phase transitions has 
of importance to particle physics (and not 
just the snapshot but transport), and here 
about potential theory and that these various 
systems of interest might as well be seen as 
going to equilibrium as entropy, what with 
all the classical and relativistic and quantum 
falling out of that, I imagine a reader could 
consider those things in various ways, or, not 
(or don't).

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#470110

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-31 22:14 -0700
Message-ID<d0d96313-22db-47b6-bcb6-92788656d616@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470100
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 6:34:58 PM UTC-7, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 8/31/18 3:04 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > The fact that the duration of a second is DIFFERENT in virtually
> > EVERY inertial frame is what Special Relativity is all about.
> 
> That is neither fact nor any part of SR. It is YOU who is confused and 
> wrong, not the tens of thousands of physicists alive today.
> 
> I repeat: if your claim were true, experiments could not possibly 
> confirm the validity of SR. They do.
> 
> 	[And here I cease attempting to teach the unteachable.]

Most likely he is not interested in knowing this at all, it's just an ego trip. It's obviously
something that affects him very strongly as he posts and publishes a lot, all of it junk
and a total waste of time, but it gives him a boost of some sort.

--
Jan

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#470114

FromDirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com>
Date2018-09-01 10:02 +0200
Message-ID<pmdh20$tna$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470100
Op 01-sep-2018 om 03:34 schreef Tom Roberts:
> On 8/31/18 3:04 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
>> The fact that the duration of a second is DIFFERENT in virtually
>> EVERY inertial frame is what Special Relativity is all about.
> 
> That is neither fact nor any part of SR. It is YOU who is confused and 
> wrong, not the tens of thousands of physicists alive today.
> 
> I repeat: if your claim were true, experiments could not possibly 
> confirm the validity of SR. They do.
> 
>      [And here I cease attempting to teach the unteachable.]
> 
> Tom Roberts

You'll be back ;-)

Dirk Vdm

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#470144

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 07:53 -0700
Message-ID<16391664-43c3-4654-b21a-63b59294efb5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470100
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 8:34:58 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 8/31/18 3:04 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > The fact that the duration of a second is DIFFERENT in virtually
> > EVERY inertial frame is what Special Relativity is all about.
> 
> That is neither fact nor any part of SR. It is YOU who is confused and 
> wrong, not the tens of thousands of physicists alive today.
> 
> I repeat: if your claim were true, experiments could not possibly 
> confirm the validity of SR. They do.
> 
> 	[And here I cease attempting to teach the unteachable.]
> 
> Tom Roberts

Okay, here's a list of just a few experiments which full agree with what I'm saying:

1. Hafele-Keating.
2. NIST aluminum ion clock experiment (1 foot change in altitude)
3. Geodesy and Metrology experiment (measuring altitude by time difference)
4. Ives-Stillwell.
5. Muon experiments

If I had the time, I could probably list dozens more.  A lot of people repeated the Hafele-Keating experiment.  Plus, anyone who has two atomic clocks can repeat what the NIST did.

You endlessly claim that ALL experiments agree with you, but you never list ANY such experiments.  Is that because you KNOW you are making bogus claims?

Ed

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#470151

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 08:59 -0700
Message-ID<b1c4b868-086d-4708-816c-ea66f2ec4669@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470144
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 8:34:58 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
> > On 8/31/18 3:04 PM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > The fact that the duration of a second is DIFFERENT in virtually
> > > EVERY inertial frame is what Special Relativity is all about.
> > 
> > That is neither fact nor any part of SR. It is YOU who is confused and 
> > wrong, not the tens of thousands of physicists alive today.
> > 
> > I repeat: if your claim were true, experiments could not possibly 
> > confirm the validity of SR. They do.
> > 
> > 	[And here I cease attempting to teach the unteachable.]
> > 
> > Tom Roberts
> 
> Okay, here's a list of just a few experiments which full agree with what I'm saying:
> 
> 1. Hafele-Keating.
> 2. NIST aluminum ion clock experiment (1 foot change in altitude)
> 3. Geodesy and Metrology experiment (measuring altitude by time difference)
> 4. Ives-Stillwell.
> 5. Muon experiments
> 
> If I had the time, I could probably list dozens more.  A lot of people repeated the Hafele-Keating experiment.  Plus, anyone who has two atomic clocks can repeat what the NIST did.
> 
> You endlessly claim that ALL experiments agree with you, but you never list ANY such experiments.  Is that because you KNOW you are making bogus claims?
> 
> Ed

Wikipedia's article about Hafele-Keating lists some additional experiments:

--- start quote ---

A more complex and precise experiment of this kind was performed by a research 
group at the University of Maryland between September 1975 and January 1976. 
Three atomic clocks were brought to an altitude of 10 km above Chesapeake Bay 
in  Maryland, and three other atomic clocks were at the ground. A turboprop 
plane was used, flying at only 500 km/h, in order to minimize the velocity 
effect. The plane was steadily observed using radar, and its position and 
velocity were measured every second. Five flights were carried out, each of 15 
hours duration. Special containers protected the clocks from external 
influences such as vibrations, magnetic fields, or temperature variations. The 
time difference was measured by direct clock comparison at the ground before 
and after the flight, as well as during the flight by laser pulses of 0.1 ns 
duration. Those signals were sent to the plane, reflected, and again received 
at the ground station. The time difference was observable during the flight, 
before later analysis. An overall difference of 47.1 ns was measured, which 
consisted of the velocity effect of −5.7 ns and a gravitational effect of 52.8 
ns. This agrees with the relativistic predictions to a precision of about 
1.6%.[14][15]

A reenactment of the original experiment by the National Physical Laboratory took place in 1996 on the 25th anniversary of the original experiment, using more precise atomic clocks during a flight from London to Washington, D.C. and back again. The results were verified to a higher degree of accuracy. A time gain of 39±2 ns was observed, compared to a relativistic prediction of 39.8 ns.[16] In June 2010, the National Physical Laboratory again repeated the experiment, this time around the globe (London - Los Angeles - Auckland - Hongkong - London). The predicted value was 246±3 ns, the measured value 230±20 ns.[17]

Because the Hafele–Keating experiment has been reproduced by increasingly accurate methods, there has been a consensus among physicists since at least the 1970s that the relativistic predictions of gravitational and kinematic effects on time have been conclusively verified.[18] Criticisms of the experiment did not address the subsequent verification of the result by more accurate methods, and have been shown to be in error.

Similar experiments with atomic clocks

Measurements in which the only effect was gravitational have been conducted by Iijima et al. between 1975 and 1977. They carried a commercial cesium clock back and forth from the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan in Mitaka, at 58 m (190 ft) above sea level, to Norikura corona station, at 2,876 m (9,436 ft) above sea level, corresponding to an altitude difference of 2,818 m (9,245 ft). During the times when the clock stayed at Mitaka, it was compared with another cesium clock. The measured change in rate was (29±1.5)×10−14, consistent with the result of 30.7×10−14 predicted by general relativity.[20]

In 1976, Briatore and Leschiutta compared the rates of two cesium clocks, one in Turin 250 m (820 ft) above sea level, the other at Plateau Rosa 3,500 m (11,500 ft) above sea level. The comparison was conducted by evaluating the arrival times of VHF television synchronization pulses and of a LORAN-C chain. The predicted difference was 30.6 ns/d. Using two different operating criteria, they found differences of 33.8±6.8 ns/d and 36.5±5.8 ns/d, respectively, in agreement with general relativity.[21] Environmental factors were controlled far more precisely than in the Iijima experiment, in which many complicated corrections had to be applied.[citation needed]

In 2005, van Baak measured the gravitational time dilation of a weekend at the top of Mt. Rainier using two ensembles of three HP 5071A cesium beam clocks.[22][23][24] He repeated the experiment in 2016 on Mt. Lemmon for the television show Genius by Stephen Hawking.

--- end quote ---

But, I suppose Tom Roberts will claim that all those people were incompetent 
and didn't know what they were doing.  Somehow that also means that they do 
not exist.  And therefore I am still the only person in the world who claims 
that Einstein said that time ticks at a different rate at different altitudes 
and velocities.  

Ed

Added note:  I trimmed some of the above paragraphs to 80 characters to see how much work was involved.  It was a pain in the ass.

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#470117

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-01 12:18 +0200
Message-ID<c5a35220-8970-e404-70ad-78d131de6334@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470059
Ed Lake wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:38:12 PM UTC-5, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 8/31/18 11:57 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is
>>> invariable?
>> By actually READING his papers. Note the correct word is "invariant".
> 
> When I read his papers, he says very clearly that the speed of light
> varies when time varies.

Cite evidence.

>> The speed of light in vacuum, relative to ANY inertial frame, is NOT
>> variable in SR (it is invariant). Einstein said precisely this in his
>> 1905 paper on SR [#].
> 
> Yes, but you have a FUNDAMENTAL misunderstanding of Relativity.

Blithering idiot, you are talking to a professional particle physicist.

> Light will travel at c in ANY inertial frame, BUT it will measured to be
> different in one inertial frame versus another when the length of a
> second is compared.

Of course not.  Speed is always specified relative to a chosen rest frame;
one uses the clocks at rest in that frame, not the clocks at rest in a frame
moving relative to the former, to calculate speed.  And one uses the rest
frame’s meter sticks, not the moving frame’s, to determine lengths.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#470076

FromFattore Nzavecchia <avcir@valecw.ba>
Date2018-08-31 22:12 +0000
Message-ID<pmceg6$1fjl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470032
Tom Roberts wrote:

> Your fantasy that "the duration of a second differs among different
> inertial frames" is just that -- a FANTASY. It is NOT part of SR, or
> any other theory of modern physics, and experiments SOLIDLY support
> this. In particular, the first postulate of SR is in direct conflict
> with your FANTASY -- if your claim were true, SR could not be confirmed
> by the hundreds of experiments that do confirm it.

Excellent observation, the tour de force is not to make the laser light to 
go straight and coherent, but to curve it around the corners. I am working 
at it right now.

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#470043

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-31 11:46 -0700
Message-ID<ffdb01dc-7a47-4e85-b5f0-9b5b6826ca12@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470024
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:57:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > Hey guys, I'm baaaack.
> > 
> > I just put a new paper on vixra.org.  It is titled "Variable Time and the
> > Variable Speed of Light."  Here is the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0289v6.pdf
> > 
> > And here is the opening paragraph:
> > 
> > "The fact that the speed of light is variable is demonstrated almost every day. No matter where you measure the speed of light, if you measure it correctly, you will get a result of 299,792,458 meters per second. Does this mean that the speed of light is the same everywhere? No. It means the speed of light PER SECOND is the same everywhere. And, according to Einstein’s Theories of Special and General Relativity, the length of a second can be different almost everywhere. That means that if you measure the speed of light to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in one location, and if you also measure it to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in another location, if the length of a second is different at those two locations, then the speed of light is also different."
> > 
> > Since the facts in that paragraph are undeniable, I assume everyone here fully agrees with it.  Nevertheless, I'd be interested in your thoughts. :-)
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the
> speed of light is variable to an audience in New York City
> in 1921.  It was reported on in the New York Times for
> April 19 of that year with the title "Einstein Defines the
> Speed of Light."  You can find the article here:
> http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
> 
> How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is invariable?
> 
> Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a
> reference in my paper.
> 
> Ed

So you read the subheading, but not the actual content,
apparently. Or you read the summary by the web page owner,
who also did not read the article itself.

The subtitle reads:
"Says Its Velocity Is Relatively Variable
 Based Upon Whether System Is In Motion"

Nowhere in the article does Einstein say that.
He does describe the gedanken experiment under the assumption
that the speed of light is variable, then goes on to describe
how the Michelson experiment disproves that.

(This web page owner does lousy pictures of this article BTW.
Poorly cropped and done at odd angles.)

So, this really isn't the source you're looking for.

Better luck next time.
  Ed

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#470061

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-08-31 13:16 -0700
Message-ID<910241ba-8ca6-44b3-84bc-527c466d7976@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470043
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:57:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > Hey guys, I'm baaaack.
> > > 
> > > I just put a new paper on vixra.org.  It is titled "Variable Time and the
> > > Variable Speed of Light."  Here is the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0289v6.pdf
> > > 
> > > And here is the opening paragraph:
> > > 
> > > "The fact that the speed of light is variable is demonstrated almost every day. No matter where you measure the speed of light, if you measure it correctly, you will get a result of 299,792,458 meters per second. Does this mean that the speed of light is the same everywhere? No. It means the speed of light PER SECOND is the same everywhere. And, according to Einstein’s Theories of Special and General Relativity, the length of a second can be different almost everywhere. That means that if you measure the speed of light to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in one location, and if you also measure it to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in another location, if the length of a second is different at those two locations, then the speed of light is also different."
> > > 
> > > Since the facts in that paragraph are undeniable, I assume everyone here fully agrees with it.  Nevertheless, I'd be interested in your thoughts. :-)
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the
> > speed of light is variable to an audience in New York City
> > in 1921.  It was reported on in the New York Times for
> > April 19 of that year with the title "Einstein Defines the
> > Speed of Light."  You can find the article here:
> > http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
> > 
> > How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is invariable?
> > 
> > Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a
> > reference in my paper.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> So you read the subheading, but not the actual content,
> apparently. Or you read the summary by the web page owner,
> who also did not read the article itself.
> 
> The subtitle reads:
> "Says Its Velocity Is Relatively Variable
>  Based Upon Whether System Is In Motion"
> 
> Nowhere in the article does Einstein say that.
> He does describe the gedanken experiment under the assumption
> that the speed of light is variable, then goes on to describe
> how the Michelson experiment disproves that.
> 
> (This web page owner does lousy pictures of this article BTW.
> Poorly cropped and done at odd angles.)
> 
> So, this really isn't the source you're looking for.
> 
> Better luck next time.
>   Ed

I also have a copy of the book "Albert Meets America: How Journalists Treated Genius During Einstein's 1921 Travels.  The New York Times article is on page 103.  It's not only very readable, I can copy and past from it.  Here's one section:

-- start quote --
Velocity of Light Variable

The special relativity theory arose from the question of whether light had an invariable velocity in free space, he said. The velocity of light could only be measured relative to a body or a co-ordinate system. He sketched a co-ordinate system K to which light had the velocity C. Whether the system was in motion or not was the fundamental principle. This had been developed through the researches of Maxwell and Lorentz, the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light having been based on many of their experiments. But did it hold for only one system? he asked.

He gave the example of a street and a vehicle moving on that street. If the velocity of light was C for the street was it also C for the vehicle? If a second co-ordinate system K was introduced, moving with the velocity V, did light have the velocity of C here? When the light traveled the system moved with
it, so it would appear that light moved slower and the principle apparently did not hold.

Many famous experiments had been made on this point. Michelson showed that relative to the moving co-ordinate system K1, the light traveled with the same velocity as relative to K, which is contrary to the above observation. How could this be reconciled? Professor Einstein asked.

How to Define Relative Time

The answer lay, he said, in the dependency of time on the co-ordinate system. To define time with relation to the co-ordinate system, a clock was put at the origin of the system, it being possible to fix the time of any event at its origin. An observer in the vicinity of the clock must, in judging the time of the event, at his position, take account of the time for light to reach him. A clock must be at the event, and the clocks must be synchronized by using the constancy of the velocity of light to obtain a definition of simultaneity.

If an observer midway between the two events saw them simultaneously, they were simultaneous. This served as a basis for a definition of time relative to co-ordinate systems. The clocks might be regulated in this way, but the clocks must be fixed in a co-ordinate system and this determination served only to synchronize the clocks in only one system, K. But when two events were simultaneous in K they were not simultaneous in K1.

--- end quote -- 

It's a bit muddled, but it clearly says that the speed of light is variable because time is variable, and time (the length of a second) is part of c.

Ed

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#470063

Fromalsor@interia.pl
Date2018-08-31 13:45 -0700
Message-ID<d56de7b7-3130-41d5-b641-00a1537d7162@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470061
W dniu piątek, 31 sierpnia 2018 22:16:27 UTC+2 użytkownik Ed Lake napisał:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:57:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > Hey guys, I'm baaaack.
> > > > 
> > > > I just put a new paper on vixra.org.  It is titled "Variable Time and the
> > > > Variable Speed of Light."  Here is the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0289v6.pdf
> > > > 
> > > > And here is the opening paragraph:
> > > > 
> > > > "The fact that the speed of light is variable is demonstrated almost every day. No matter where you measure the speed of light, if you measure it correctly, you will get a result of 299,792,458 meters per second. Does this mean that the speed of light is the same everywhere? No. It means the speed of light PER SECOND is the same everywhere. And, according to Einstein’s Theories of Special and General Relativity, the length of a second can be different almost everywhere. That means that if you measure the speed of light to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in one location, and if you also measure it to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in another location, if the length of a second is different at those two locations, then the speed of light is also different."
> > > > 
> > > > Since the facts in that paragraph are undeniable, I assume everyone here fully agrees with it.  Nevertheless, I'd be interested in your thoughts. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the
> > > speed of light is variable to an audience in New York City
> > > in 1921.  It was reported on in the New York Times for
> > > April 19 of that year with the title "Einstein Defines the
> > > Speed of Light."  You can find the article here:
> > > http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
> > > 
> > > How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is invariable?
> > > 
> > > Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a
> > > reference in my paper.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > So you read the subheading, but not the actual content,
> > apparently. Or you read the summary by the web page owner,
> > who also did not read the article itself.
> > 
> > The subtitle reads:
> > "Says Its Velocity Is Relatively Variable
> >  Based Upon Whether System Is In Motion"
> > 
> > Nowhere in the article does Einstein say that.
> > He does describe the gedanken experiment under the assumption
> > that the speed of light is variable, then goes on to describe
> > how the Michelson experiment disproves that.
> > 
> > (This web page owner does lousy pictures of this article BTW.
> > Poorly cropped and done at odd angles.)
> > 
> > So, this really isn't the source you're looking for.
> > 
> > Better luck next time.
> >   Ed
> 
> I also have a copy of the book "Albert Meets America: How Journalists Treated Genius During Einstein's 1921 Travels.  The New York Times article is on page 103.  It's not only very readable, I can copy and past from it.  Here's one section:
> 
> -- start quote --
> Velocity of Light Variable
> 
> The special relativity theory arose from the question of whether light had an invariable velocity in free space, he said. The velocity of light could only be measured relative to a body or a co-ordinate system. He sketched a co-ordinate system K to which light had the velocity C. Whether the system was in motion or not was the fundamental principle. This had been developed through the researches of Maxwell and Lorentz, the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light having been based on many of their experiments. But did it hold for only one system? he asked.
> 
> He gave the example of a street and a vehicle moving on that street. If the velocity of light was C for the street was it also C for the vehicle? If a second co-ordinate system K was introduced, moving with the velocity V, did light have the velocity of C here? When the light traveled the system moved with
> it, so it would appear that light moved slower and the principle apparently did not hold.
> 
> Many famous experiments had been made on this point. Michelson showed that relative to the moving co-ordinate system K1, the light traveled with the same velocity as relative to K, which is contrary to the above observation. How could this be reconciled? Professor Einstein asked.
> 
> How to Define Relative Time
> 
> The answer lay, he said, in the dependency of time on the co-ordinate system. To define time with relation to the co-ordinate system, a clock was put at the origin of the system, it being possible to fix the time of any event at its origin. An observer in the vicinity of the clock must, in judging the time of the event, at his position, take account of the time for light to reach him. A clock must be at the event, and the clocks must be synchronized by using the constancy of the velocity of light to obtain a definition of simultaneity.
> 
> If an observer midway between the two events saw them simultaneously, they were simultaneous. This served as a basis for a definition of time relative to co-ordinate systems. The clocks might be regulated in this way, but the clocks must be fixed in a co-ordinate system and this determination served only to synchronize the clocks in only one system, K. But when two events were simultaneous in K they were not simultaneous in K1.
> 
> --- end quote -- 
> 
> It's a bit muddled, but it clearly says that the speed of light is variable because time is variable, and time (the length of a second) is part of c.
> 
> Ed

These all claims are just a one series of stupid nonsenses -
it's very common for any pseudoscience.

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#470069

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-08-31 14:27 -0700
Message-ID<25eb2d9e-0001-48b9-a1e8-a9dce69cd699@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470061
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:16:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:46:40 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 12:57:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> > > > Hey guys, I'm baaaack.
> > > > 
> > > > I just put a new paper on vixra.org.  It is titled "Variable Time and the
> > > > Variable Speed of Light."  Here is the link: http://vixra.org/pdf/1607.0289v6.pdf
> > > > 
> > > > And here is the opening paragraph:
> > > > 
> > > > "The fact that the speed of light is variable is demonstrated almost every day. No matter where you measure the speed of light, if you measure it correctly, you will get a result of 299,792,458 meters per second. Does this mean that the speed of light is the same everywhere? No. It means the speed of light PER SECOND is the same everywhere. And, according to Einstein’s Theories of Special and General Relativity, the length of a second can be different almost everywhere. That means that if you measure the speed of light to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in one location, and if you also measure it to be 299,792,458 meters PER SECOND in another location, if the length of a second is different at those two locations, then the speed of light is also different."
> > > > 
> > > > Since the facts in that paragraph are undeniable, I assume everyone here fully agrees with it.  Nevertheless, I'd be interested in your thoughts. :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > I forgot to mention that Einstein explained his theory that the
> > > speed of light is variable to an audience in New York City
> > > in 1921.  It was reported on in the New York Times for
> > > April 19 of that year with the title "Einstein Defines the
> > > Speed of Light."  You can find the article here:
> > > http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/619306
> > > 
> > > How can anyone argue that Einstein said the speed of light is invariable?
> > > 
> > > Somehow, I neglected to include that NYT article as a
> > > reference in my paper.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > So you read the subheading, but not the actual content,
> > apparently. Or you read the summary by the web page owner,
> > who also did not read the article itself.
> > 
> > The subtitle reads:
> > "Says Its Velocity Is Relatively Variable
> >  Based Upon Whether System Is In Motion"
> > 
> > Nowhere in the article does Einstein say that.
> > He does describe the gedanken experiment under the assumption
> > that the speed of light is variable, then goes on to describe
> > how the Michelson experiment disproves that.
> > 
> > (This web page owner does lousy pictures of this article BTW.
> > Poorly cropped and done at odd angles.)
> > 
> > So, this really isn't the source you're looking for.
> > 
> > Better luck next time.
> >   Ed
> 
> I also have a copy of the book "Albert Meets America: How Journalists Treated Genius During Einstein's 1921 Travels.  The New York Times article is on page 103.  It's not only very readable, I can copy and past from it.  Here's one section:
> 
> -- start quote --
> Velocity of Light Variable
> 
> The special relativity theory arose from the question of whether light had an invariable velocity in free space, he said. The velocity of light could only be measured relative to a body or a co-ordinate system. He sketched a co-ordinate system K to which light had the velocity C. Whether the system was in motion or not was the fundamental principle. This had been developed through the researches of Maxwell and Lorentz, the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light having been based on many of their experiments. But did it hold for only one system? he asked.
> 
> He gave the example of a street and a vehicle moving on that street. If the velocity of light was C for the street was it also C for the vehicle? If a second co-ordinate system K was introduced, moving with the velocity V, did light have the velocity of C here? When the light traveled the system moved with
> it, so it would appear that light moved slower and the principle apparently did not hold.
> 
> Many famous experiments had been made on this point. Michelson showed that relative to the moving co-ordinate system K1, the light traveled with the same velocity as relative to K, which is contrary to the above observation. How could this be reconciled? Professor Einstein asked.
> 
> How to Define Relative Time
> 
> The answer lay, he said, in the dependency of time on the co-ordinate system. To define time with relation to the co-ordinate system, a clock was put at the origin of the system, it being possible to fix the time of any event at its origin. An observer in the vicinity of the clock must, in judging the time of the event, at his position, take account of the time for light to reach him. A clock must be at the event, and the clocks must be synchronized by using the constancy of the velocity of light to obtain a definition of simultaneity.
> 
> If an observer midway between the two events saw them simultaneously, they were simultaneous. This served as a basis for a definition of time relative to co-ordinate systems. The clocks might be regulated in this way, but the clocks must be fixed in a co-ordinate system and this determination served only to synchronize the clocks in only one system, K. But when two events were simultaneous in K they were not simultaneous in K1.
> 
> --- end quote -- 
> 
> It's a bit muddled, but it clearly says that the speed of light is variable because time is variable, and time (the length of a second) is part of c.
> 
> Ed

FWIW, I also have a copy of "When Einstein Walked with Gödel: Excursions to the Edge of Thought" by Jim Holt.  It contains this about observers in different reference frames seeing the speed of light differently:

--- start quote ---
Suppose—to make things vivid—that the speed of light is a hundred miles an hour. Now suppose I am standing by the side of the road and I see a light beam pass by at this speed. Then I see you chasing after it in a car at sixty miles an hour. To me, it appears that the light beam is outpacing you by forty miles an hour. But you, from inside your car, must see the beam escaping you at a hundred miles an hour, just as you would if you were standing still: that is what the light principle demands. What if you gun your engine and speed up to ninety-nine miles an hour? Now I see the beam of light outpacing you by just one mile an hour. Yet to you, inside the car, the beam is still racing ahead at a hundred miles an hour, despite your increased speed. 
-- end quote ---

Ed

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#470075

FromDirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com>
Date2018-09-01 00:03 +0200
Message-ID<pmce07$1fhl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470069
Op 31-aug-2018 om 23:27 schreef Ed Lake:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:16:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:

[snip]

>> It's a bit muddled, but it clearly says that the speed of light is
>> variable because time is variable, and time (the length of a
>> second) is part of c.
>> 
>> Ed
> 
> FWIW, 

In your hands, Fred, it is worth nothing.

Dirk Vdm

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#470080

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-08-31 15:29 -0700
Message-ID<42935401-addc-4200-bc72-d6308e423ba1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470069
FYI, could you please wrap your text? About 72 characters per line
is the general rule in Usenet.

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:27:17 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
[]
> 
> FWIW, I also have a copy of "When Einstein Walked with Gödel:
> Excursions to the Edge of Thought" by Jim Holt.  It contains
> this about observers in different reference frames seeing
> the speed of light differently:
> 
> --- start quote ---
> Suppose—to make things vivid—that the speed of light is
> a hundred miles an hour. Now suppose I am standing by the
> side of the road and I see a light beam pass by at this speed.

The pedestrian sees the speed of light at 100 mph

> speed. Then I see you chasing after it in a car at sixty
> miles an hour. To me, it appears that the light beam is
> outpacing you by forty miles an hour. But you, from inside

Now the driver
> your car, must see the beam escaping you at a hundred miles
> an hour, just as you would if you were standing still:

...sees the speed of light at 100 mph

Looks like AE says they see the same speed.
Maybe there's something else he says later.

> that is what the light principle demands. What if you gun
> your engine and speed up to ninety-nine miles an hour?
> Now I see the beam of light outpacing you by just one
> mile an hour. Yet to you, inside the car, the beam is
> still racing ahead at a hundred miles an hour, despite
> your increased speed. 
> -- end quote ---
> 
> Ed

Even while traveling at 99% of the speed of light,
Einstein says the driver measures the speed of light
as having the same value as the pedestrian.

Seems pretty clear to me that they see the SAME value,
according to Einstein. So where again does this
support the idea that the speed of light is variable?

Sincerely,
   Ed

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#470140

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 07:33 -0700
Message-ID<bbd04c70-32ff-4f13-8450-552539374e08@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470080
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> FYI, could you please wrap your text? About 72 characters per line
> is the general rule in Usenet.

I have no idea how to do that.

> 
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:27:17 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote:
> []
> > 
> > FWIW, I also have a copy of "When Einstein Walked with Gödel:
> > Excursions to the Edge of Thought" by Jim Holt.  It contains
> > this about observers in different reference frames seeing
> > the speed of light differently:
> > 
> > --- start quote ---
> > Suppose—to make things vivid—that the speed of light is
> > a hundred miles an hour. Now suppose I am standing by the
> > side of the road and I see a light beam pass by at this speed.
> 
> The pedestrian sees the speed of light at 100 mph
> 
> > speed. Then I see you chasing after it in a car at sixty
> > miles an hour. To me, it appears that the light beam is
> > outpacing you by forty miles an hour. But you, from inside
> 
> Now the driver
> > your car, must see the beam escaping you at a hundred miles
> > an hour, just as you would if you were standing still:
> 
> ...sees the speed of light at 100 mph
> 
> Looks like AE says they see the same speed.
> Maybe there's something else he says later.
> 
> > that is what the light principle demands. What if you gun
> > your engine and speed up to ninety-nine miles an hour?
> > Now I see the beam of light outpacing you by just one
> > mile an hour. Yet to you, inside the car, the beam is
> > still racing ahead at a hundred miles an hour, despite
> > your increased speed. 
> > -- end quote ---
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> Even while traveling at 99% of the speed of light,
> Einstein says the driver measures the speed of light
> as having the same value as the pedestrian.
> 
> Seems pretty clear to me that they see the SAME value,
> according to Einstein. So where again does this
> support the idea that the speed of light is variable?

No.  You again misunderstand.  I probably should have quoted more from the book.  The next two sentences are:  

"How can this be? Speed, of course, equals distance divided by time."

What Einstein was saying was that when traveling at 99% of the speed of light, time slows down so much that 299,792,458 meters per second involves a second that is VASTLY longer than a "normal" second.  So, the traveler still measures light traveling away from him at 299,792,458 meters per HIS second, but an outside observer would see the light traveling away from the traveler at a very small rate.

Ed

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#470143

FromEmeraude Bertrand <rntmuurdu@arterabbr.ma>
Date2018-09-01 14:42 +0000
Message-ID<pme8h7$4ge$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470140
Ed Lake wrote:

> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> FYI, could you please wrap your text? About 72 characters per line is
>> the general rule in Usenet.
> 
> I have no idea how to do that.

You press the largest button to the right on your keyboard, named [ENTER]. 
(you only need to count the first line.)

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#470145

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 08:11 -0700
Message-ID<4c7058fd-af15-48cd-8afb-c750fc920ac1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470143
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:42:51 AM UTC-5, Emeraude Bertrand wrote:
> Ed Lake wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> >> FYI, could you please wrap your text? About 72 characters per line is
> >> the general rule in Usenet.
> > 
> > I have no idea how to do that.
> 
> You press the largest button to the right on your keyboard, named [ENTER]. 
> (you only need to count the first line.)

But that will be a lot of work for me just because YOU have some kind of problem.

I can't count characters while typing, since I usually proof-read and revise what I first type, to make things more clear and to eliminate typos.  So, I'd have to wait until I was done typing and then go back to trim the length of the lines.  

If a LOT a people have problem reading what I write, I might consider doing that, but not just for one person.  Sorry.

---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7---------8

The box into which I type seems to be 80 characters wide. But, I'm using Google, not UseNet.   

Ed  

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#470147

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 08:20 -0700
Message-ID<pmeaoe01lcu@drn.newsguy.com>
In reply to#470145
In article <4c7058fd-af15-48cd-8afb-c750fc920ac1@googlegroups.com>, Ed Lake
says...
>
>On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:42:51 AM UTC-5, Emeraude Bertrand wrote:
>> Ed Lake wrote:
>> 
>> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> >> FYI, could you please wrap your text? About 72 characters per line is
>> >> the general rule in Usenet.
>> > 
>> > I have no idea how to do that.
>> 
>> You press the largest button to the right on your keyboard, named [ENTER]. 
>> (you only need to count the first line.)
>
>But that will be a lot of work for me just because YOU have some kind of
>problem.
>
>I can't count characters while typing, since I usually proof-read and revise
>what I first type, to make things more clear and to eliminate typos.  So, I'd
>have to wait until I was done typing and then go back to trim the length of the
>lines.
>
>If a LOT a people have problem reading what I write, I might consider doing
>that, but not just for one person.  Sorry.
>
>---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7---------8
>
>The box into which I type seems to be 80 characters wide. But, I'm using Google,
>not UseNet.
>
>Ed  


Okay, now I am on Usenet.  This box is also 80 characters wide, and there is
absolutely no problem reading what I typed or what you typed.  Let's see how
this message appears on Usenet and on Google when I post it.  It seems you have
a problem that I cannot simulate.

Ed

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#470148

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-09-01 08:31 -0700
Message-ID<d87b5adf-06b1-4813-8ae4-6f1ce88750a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#470147
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:20:57 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
> In article <4c7058fd-af15-48cd-8afb-c750fc920ac1@googlegroups.com>, Ed Lake
> says...
> >
> >On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:42:51 AM UTC-5, Emeraude Bertrand wrote:
> >> Ed Lake wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:
> >> >> FYI, could you please wrap your text? About 72 characters per line is
> >> >> the general rule in Usenet.
> >> > 
> >> > I have no idea how to do that.
> >> 
> >> You press the largest button to the right on your keyboard, named [ENTER]. 
> >> (you only need to count the first line.)
> >
> >But that will be a lot of work for me just because YOU have some kind of
> >problem.
> >
> >I can't count characters while typing, since I usually proof-read and revise
> >what I first type, to make things more clear and to eliminate typos.  So, I'd
> >have to wait until I was done typing and then go back to trim the length of the
> >lines.
> >
> >If a LOT a people have problem reading what I write, I might consider doing
> >that, but not just for one person.  Sorry.
> >
> >---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7---------8
> >
> >The box into which I type seems to be 80 characters wide. But, I'm using Google,
> >not UseNet.
> >
> >Ed  
> 
> 
> Okay, now I am on Usenet.  This box is also 80 characters wide, and there is
> absolutely no problem reading what I typed or what you typed.  Let's see how
> this message appears on Usenet and on Google when I post it.  It seems you have
> a problem that I cannot simulate.
> 
> Ed

Ah!  Usenet automatically used the 80 character line limit.  The message I typed on Usenet has shorter lines when displayed on Google. 

But, Google is clearly easier to use. 

Ed

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#470153 — Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light)

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-09-01 18:28 +0200
SubjectUsenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light)
Message-ID<47070c2e-0f8b-d2e3-4216-2185ad185f48@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#470148
Ed Lake wrote:
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:20:57 AM UTC-5, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> The box into which I type seems to be 80 characters wide. But, I'm using Google,
>>> not UseNet.
>>
>> Okay, now I am on Usenet.  […]
> 
> Ah!  Usenet automatically used the 80 character line limit.  The message I typed on Usenet has shorter lines when displayed on Google. 

The *one* line above is 134 characters long which is BADLY READABLE unless
automatically word-wrapped by the newsREADER.  (Left unwrapped here.)

> But, Google is clearly easier to use. 

Sadly, you still have no clue.

Usenet is NOT a piece of software, but a piece of HARDWARE: a COMPUTER
NETWORK.  (Services like usenet.net add to the confusion.)

sci.physics.relativity is a Usenet newsgroup that is DISTRIBUTED between
servers in that network; indeed, all newsgroups of the sci.* hierarchy
(sci.ALL) are Usenet newsgroups.

The technology, the software (network protocols), underlying that form of
communication is Network News (NetNews).

So you have been (ab)using Usenet all along without knowing it, even with
Google _Groups_.  That is the main problem: Google Groups’ *Web* interface
to Usenet/NetNews is inadequate to BROKEN, and a constant source of trolls
because Google appears to be unwilling or unable to actively sanction
network abuse by their users.

Newsreader software (NetNews clients) like Mozilla Thunderbird is/are
actually EASIER to use (especially with the keyboard) and provide(s) more
features than Google Groups (for example, a killfile).  It is the good
newsreader software that would, by default, limit line length to 80
characters or less (consider quoting) by automatic word-wrap; NOT the
network, Usenet (and not even the network protocols, NetNews)

<http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet>

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail

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#470161 — Re: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light)

FromJeanclaude Erald <urdu@iufienv.vu>
Date2018-09-01 17:40 +0000
SubjectRe: Usenet (was: Variable Time and the Variable Speed of Light)
Message-ID<pmeiu9$ljb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#470153
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> sci.physics.relativity is a Usenet newsgroup that is DISTRIBUTED between
> servers in that network; indeed, all newsgroups of the sci.* hierarchy
> (sci.ALL) are Usenet newsgroups.
> 
> The technology, the software (network protocols), underlying that form
> of communication is Network News (NetNews).

Idiot, that nntp, a tcpip transport protocol, one of the many.

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