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Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

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First post2018-06-04 16:31 -0700
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  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-04 16:31 -0700
    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 00:16 -0400
      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 08:12 -0700
        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:23 +0000
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 13:56 -0700
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:32 +0000
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:12 -0400
              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:48 +0000
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 06:10 -0700
              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 05:48 -0700
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 14:19 -0700
        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:24 -0700
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:00 +0000
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 11:04 -0700
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 15:25 -0400
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 14:28 -0700
      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 08:22 -0700
        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 12:05 -0400
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 14:12 -0700
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:10 -0400
              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 05:38 -0700
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 12:45 +0000
                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 06:08 -0700
                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 14:00 +0000
                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 14:07 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-06 17:22 -0400
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 07:58 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 21:34 +0000
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 07:40 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 13:49 -0700
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 21:27 +0000
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 12:45 +0000
                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 06:17 -0700
                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 14:30 +0000
                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 21:38 +0000
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 07:26 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 16:08 +0000
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 10:02 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 17:51 +0000
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 13:57 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 16:59 -0700
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 06:52 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 13:38 -0700
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 06:38 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:46 +0000
                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0700
                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 16:50 +0000
                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-08 16:56 +0000
                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 14:21 -0700
                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 22:31 +0000
                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-09 05:17 -0700
                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 13:47 +0000
                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-09 08:00 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 06:12 -0700
                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 09:46 -0400
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 07:32 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 09:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 19:18 +0000
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 04:52 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 05:01 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:40 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 14:04 -0400
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 13:58 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:19 +0000
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 08:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 08:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 08:26 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 12:26 -0400
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 10:28 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 12:12 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 12:58 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 15:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-13 11:11 -0500
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 17:46 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 22:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 04:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 14:31 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 08:37 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 16:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-13 07:14 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:52 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-13 12:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 13:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Pasquale Broman <lqs@basq.ce> - 2018-06-13 20:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 13:57 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Pasquale Broman <lqs@basq.ce> - 2018-06-13 21:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 13:28 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 13:45 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 18:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 14:31 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 08:32 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 15:45 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:55 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:41 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:50 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 18:28 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 19:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 22:46 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 04:30 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:12 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 05:41 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:39 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 19:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 19:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:43 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 05:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 11:37 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 11:56 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:40 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 13:27 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 15:03 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-16 05:40 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 07:53 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-16 13:18 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-16 17:08 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 18:34 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 02:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 06:36 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 15:44 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 09:04 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 18:16 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 13:33 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-17 16:46 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-17 14:23 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 09:11 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-18 09:32 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 14:04 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 14:58 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 22:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 22:47 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 08:10 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 12:12 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:41 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:56 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 17:18 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:57 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:42 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:43 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:48 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 05:46 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 09:02 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 09:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-17 17:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 07:30 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-17 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 17:59 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 11:39 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 09:08 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 15:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 09:18 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-17 17:23 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 18:14 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 13:17 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 22:23 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 06:55 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 08:57 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-18 17:39 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 11:57 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 12:27 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 07:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:09 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:38 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 18:14 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 15:18 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 11:29 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 14:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 06:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 06:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 07:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 12:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 06:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 21:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 05:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:03 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:11 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 14:34 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 22:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 02:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 10:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 10:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 00:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 01:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 07:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 06:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 07:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 15:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 09:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 10:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 10:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 15:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 16:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 11:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 15:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 22:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 16:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 06:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 14:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 14:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 14:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-07 15:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 14:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 17:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 20:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-04 06:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-04 09:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 06:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 09:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 15:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 14:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 12:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 15:31 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 16:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 21:07 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 09:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-06 14:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 00:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 06:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 06:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 07:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 08:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 09:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 22:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 17:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 05:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 05:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 02:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 15:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 09:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-17 10:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 17:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 12:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 23:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 00:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 22:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 23:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 00:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 05:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 00:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 03:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 02:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 07:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 07:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 09:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 18:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 02:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 14:32 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 05:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-06 15:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 17:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 17:42 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 02:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 09:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 10:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-23 17:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 15:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 15:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 18:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 18:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 22:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 00:52 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 06:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-22 14:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 14:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 08:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-23 14:55 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 06:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-24 17:50 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 06:05 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 09:14 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 22:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 18:10 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 17:49 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-16 13:12 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 06:26 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 13:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 17:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 12:18 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 07:39 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 12:16 -0400
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 17:26 -0400
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-10 21:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 17:47 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-10 21:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-12 18:44 +0000
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 06:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 10:42 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 08:57 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-11 18:04 +0200
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 16:15 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-12 01:47 +0200
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 06:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-12 15:10 +0200
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 07:50 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-12 18:20 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 13:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 12:37 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 08:28 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 12:19 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 09:44 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 19:00 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 05:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 12:31 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 13:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 17:50 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 18:39 -0700
                                                                          OT: programming languages in physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-13 12:07 -0500
                                                                            Re: OT: programming languages in physics Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 15:33 -0700
                                                                              Re: OT: programming languages in physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-14 11:24 -0500
                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocowak.br> - 2018-06-14 16:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-14 22:02 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-14 20:43 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-14 23:18 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-14 22:11 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-15 00:32 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-15 14:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT: programming languages in physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-16 12:40 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 13:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 13:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-16 15:59 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 14:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-16 13:00 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 17:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 03:31 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-17 11:41 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT: programming languages in physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 09:05 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: OT: programming languages in physics Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 15:56 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 10:58 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 09:51 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 17:55 -0700
                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-18 19:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 11:19 -0700
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 11:38 -0700
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-18 22:33 +0200
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:27 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 07:53 -0700
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 12:03 -0400
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:16 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 17:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 11:16 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-22 10:50 +0200
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 02:27 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-22 11:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-22 13:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 08:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-22 22:56 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:52 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-23 17:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-24 18:19 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-24 12:09 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-25 19:22 +0200
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-25 11:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-25 21:48 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 06:08 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-27 20:40 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 06:57 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 14:13 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 01:10 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 06:50 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 08:11 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 09:39 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:50 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 13:39 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 14:12 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:41 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-30 23:21 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 19:17 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 03:42 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-01 07:58 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 15:19 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:34 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-01 10:00 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 15:24 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-30 16:39 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-06-30 17:16 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 16:03 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-07-02 18:46 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 10:24 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 18:04 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-07-03 20:46 +0200
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-25 19:40 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 05:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:28 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:39 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 18:25 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 12:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 12:45 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:38 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:44 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 11:22 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 21:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 06:59 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 07:53 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 08:49 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 08:58 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 05:35 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:33 +0000
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 16:55 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 13:17 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-24 07:36 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 09:24 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 14:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-25 11:10 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 20:44 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 06:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-26 13:37 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 14:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 17:32 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 00:45 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 17:46 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-27 07:00 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 07:15 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 08:23 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 16:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 11:07 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 19:48 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 07:04 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 14:10 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 21:56 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 15:50 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 06:18 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:28 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 16:31 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:52 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 15:01 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 22:11 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 09:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 15:47 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:33 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:58 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 13:57 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 21:56 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 06:12 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:10 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:15 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 15:05 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 22:08 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 03:44 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:34 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-01 09:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-01 17:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 14:48 -0400
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 09:59 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 10:42 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 14:00 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:34 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:19 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 07:03 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 12:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 12:49 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:54 +0000
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 12:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:02 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:20 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:26 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 14:17 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:37 -0700
                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:26 +0200
                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 06:45 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-10 19:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 13:44 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:22 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:30 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-07 11:09 -0400
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 09:44 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-07 16:49 +0000
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-07 13:23 -0400
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 06:59 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-08 18:40 +0200
                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 13:26 -0700
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                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-09 05:45 -0700
                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:22 +0200
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#462031

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-21 10:26 -0700
Message-ID<245fdcaf-0116-4c3e-aa7a-7a7f257b3a92@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#461914
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:08:20 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:48:22 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:14:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is also wrong. Every time you open your mouth you say something in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> conflict with first year elementary physics.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> So say an uneducated moron woodworker.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Likely not uneducated at all, as he is absolutely right, Mr Seto.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> You, on the other side, have shown that you are 100% uneducated in
> >>>>>>>>>> the matters of basic math and physics, remember your post below, Mr
> >>>>>>>>>> Seto?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Newton’s calculations assumed a single attractive force of gravity and a
> >>>>>>>>> circular orbit of the moon (the same radius for all locations of the
> >>>>>>>>> moon). The fact that his calculations agree with observation is irrelevant. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> And with that “irrelevant” comment you continue to show you have NO idea
> >>>>>>>> how science works. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Idiot....You have no idea how a single attractive force works. The source
> >>>>>>> of a single attractive force can’t make objects orbit around it. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Why, yes, Ken, it can.  Take any two objects that are just passing each
> >>>>>> other with no forces acting on either one of them, and then throw a switch
> >>>>>> to turn on an attractive force between them — just that one attractive
> >>>>>> force — and they will now orbit each other. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
> >>>>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Did you make them traveling past each other as I specified, or did you just
> >>>> plop them down in the table? What’s wrong with you? Can you not follow
> >>>> experimental procedures???
> >>> 
> >>> Yes I did....the best I can do is to get half of an orbit before it crash
> >>> into the magnet. It seems that you are a lying sack of shit.
> >> 
> >> Notice that you have not removed friction between the magnet and the table,
> >> or between the ball and the table. What did I tell you about being careful
> >> to remove friction in your experimental tests. 
> >> 
> >> Secondly, to get a circular orbit, the velocity of the ball has to be made
> >> not too small and not too large. This is how the moon’s orbit w...
> > 
> > I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion.....why don’t you do it
> > and make a video of it and show us.
> > 
> 
> The disbelief of an uneducated man such as yourself is not particularly
> compelling. The difference between you and me, Ken, is that I have taken
> the time and effort to educate myself somewhat, and as a result of that
> education, I have come to believe some things are true. Some of that
> education involves seeing well-crafted real-life demonstrations. You on the
> other hand have not taken any time or effort to educate yourself. And so
> all you use for deciding what to believe is your common sense and
> demonstrations you put together with things from your junk drawer. 
> 

You made wild claim and you refused to back it up with experiment. You claimed that you can make an object orbiting around a single attractive force in the lab so I call on you to make a video to support your claim. If you can produce such video then I will admit that my theory is wrong.

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#462036

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 17:44 +0000
Message-ID<pggo6m$ngi$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462031
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:08:20 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:48:22 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:14:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is also wrong. Every time you open your mouth you say something in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict with first year elementary physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So say an uneducated moron woodworker.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Likely not uneducated at all, as he is absolutely right, Mr Seto.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You, on the other side, have shown that you are 100% uneducated in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the matters of basic math and physics, remember your post below, Mr
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seto?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Newton’s calculations assumed a single attractive force of gravity and a
>>>>>>>>>>> circular orbit of the moon (the same radius for all locations of the
>>>>>>>>>>> moon). The fact that his calculations agree with observation is irrelevant. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And with that “irrelevant” comment you continue to show you have NO idea
>>>>>>>>>> how science works. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Idiot....You have no idea how a single attractive force works. The source
>>>>>>>>> of a single attractive force can’t make objects orbit around it. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why, yes, Ken, it can.  Take any two objects that are just passing each
>>>>>>>> other with no forces acting on either one of them, and then throw a switch
>>>>>>>> to turn on an attractive force between them — just that one attractive
>>>>>>>> force — and they will now orbit each other. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
>>>>>>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did you make them traveling past each other as I specified, or did you just
>>>>>> plop them down in the table? What’s wrong with you? Can you not follow
>>>>>> experimental procedures???
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I did....the best I can do is to get half of an orbit before it crash
>>>>> into the magnet. It seems that you are a lying sack of shit.
>>>> 
>>>> Notice that you have not removed friction between the magnet and the table,
>>>> or between the ball and the table. What did I tell you about being careful
>>>> to remove friction in your experimental tests. 
>>>> 
>>>> Secondly, to get a circular orbit, the velocity of the ball has to be made
>>>> not too small and not too large. This is how the moon’s orbit w...
>>> 
>>> I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion.....why don’t you do it
>>> and make a video of it and show us.
>>> 
>> 
>> The disbelief of an uneducated man such as yourself is not particularly
>> compelling. The difference between you and me, Ken, is that I have taken
>> the time and effort to educate myself somewhat, and as a result of that
>> education, I have come to believe some things are true. Some of that
>> education involves seeing well-crafted real-life demonstrations. You on the
>> other hand have not taken any time or effort to educate yourself. And so
>> all you use for deciding what to believe is your common sense and
>> demonstrations you put together with things from your junk drawer. 
>> 
> 
> You made wild claim and you refused to back it up with experiment. 

Claims that are well documented in books and demonstrations are not wild. 

Let me reiterate something to you. 
1. If you choose not to study physics, that is YOUR problem and nobody
else’s. 
2. If there is something from basic physics that you find unbelievable,
then this is a symptom of you being UNEDUCATED, not a symptom that it’s a
wild claim. 
3. If there is something that is well documented that you are unfamiliar
with, nobody is going to do a one-on-one training for your eyes here where
it is convenient for you. You are expected to go to where the information
is, not demand that the information be brought to you here. 

Grow up. Stop acting like an infant and start behaving like a grown-up. 

> You claimed that you can make an object orbiting around a single
> attractive force in the lab so I call on you to make a video to support
> your claim. If you can produce such video then I will admit that my theory is wrong.
> 

If you won’t study physics on your own, nobody is going to take the effort
to convince you. Grow up. 


-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#462079

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-21 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<a3097d00-213a-4ce5-8af0-4fd94d753677@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462036
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:44:57 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:08:20 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:48:22 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:14:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is also wrong. Every time you open your mouth you say something in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict with first year elementary physics.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So say an uneducated moron woodworker.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Likely not uneducated at all, as he is absolutely right, Mr Seto.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You, on the other side, have shown that you are 100% uneducated in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the matters of basic math and physics, remember your post below, Mr
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Seto?
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Newton’s calculations assumed a single attractive force of gravity and a
> >>>>>>>>>>> circular orbit of the moon (the same radius for all locations of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> moon). The fact that his calculations agree with observation is irrelevant. 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> And with that “irrelevant” comment you continue to show you have NO idea
> >>>>>>>>>> how science works. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Idiot....You have no idea how a single attractive force works. The source
> >>>>>>>>> of a single attractive force can’t make objects orbit around it. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Why, yes, Ken, it can.  Take any two objects that are just passing each
> >>>>>>>> other with no forces acting on either one of them, and then throw a switch
> >>>>>>>> to turn on an attractive force between them — just that one attractive
> >>>>>>>> force — and they will now orbit each other. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
> >>>>>>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Did you make them traveling past each other as I specified, or did you just
> >>>>>> plop them down in the table? What’s wrong with you? Can you not follow
> >>>>>> experimental procedures???
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Yes I did....the best I can do is to get half of an orbit before it crash
> >>>>> into the magnet. It seems that you are a lying sack of shit.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Notice that you have not removed friction between the magnet and the table,
> >>>> or between the ball and the table. What did I tell you about being careful
> >>>> to remove friction in your experimental tests. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Secondly, to get a circular orbit, the velocity of the ball has to be made
> >>>> not too small and not too large. This is how the moon’s orbit w...
> >>> 
> >>> I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion.....why don’t you do it
> >>> and make a video of it and show us.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> The disbelief of an uneducated man such as yourself is not particularly
> >> compelling. The difference between you and me, Ken, is that I have taken
> >> the time and effort to educate myself somewhat, and as a result of that
> >> education, I have come to believe some things are true. Some of that
> >> education involves seeing well-crafted real-life demonstrations. You on the
> >> other hand have not taken any time or effort to educate yourself. And so
> >> all you use for deciding what to believe is your common sense and
> >> demonstrations you put together with things from your junk drawer. 
> >> 
> > 
> > You made wild claim and you refused to back it up with experiment. 
> 
> Claims that are well documented in books and demonstrations are not wild. 

No moron, you made a wild claim that you can make a ball go orbiting motion around a CP force source by flipping on a switch. So go ahead and show us how.

> 
> Let me reiterate something to you. 
> 1. If you choose not to study physics, that is YOUR problem and nobody
> else’s. 
> 2. If there is something from basic physics that you find unbelievable,
> then this is a symptom of you being UNEDUCATED, not a symptom that it’s a
> wild claim. 
> 3. If there is something that is well documented that you are unfamiliar
> with, nobody is going to do a one-on-one training for your eyes here where
> it is convenient for you. You are expected to go to where the information
> is, not demand that the information be brought to you here. 
> 
> Grow up. Stop acting like an infant and start behaving like a grown-up. 
> 
> > You claimed that you can make an object orbiting around a single
> > attractive force in the lab so I call on you to make a video to support
> > your claim. If you can produce such video then I will admit that my theory is wrong.
> > 
> 
> If you won’t study physics on your own, nobody is going to take the effort
> to convince you. Grow up. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#462080

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 14:30 -0700
Message-ID<6890bfe8-27ae-47de-88b5-fe8dcd05ff2c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462079
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:22:14 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:

> No moron, you made a wild claim that you can make a ball go orbiting motion around a CP force source by flipping on a switch. So go ahead and show us how.

Nevertheless, except for eddy current effects noted by Ed Prochak, 
conservation of energy and conservation of angular momentum apply. 
No matter how complex the orbit due to the dipole nature of the 
magnetic field, if you can avoid collision (for the purposes of the
thought experiment, simply reduce the magnet to two point monopoles 
and reduce the ferromagnetic particle to point size), the orbiting
particle ***MUST*** continue to orbit. 

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#462082

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 14:36 -0700
Message-ID<16ff3005-8f8a-492c-af55-dad5cfe084a6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462080
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:31:00 PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:

> (for the purposes of the
> thought experiment, simply reduce the magnet to two point monopoles 
> and reduce the ferromagnetic particle to point size)

Reducing the magnet to a one-dimensional line should work just as well...

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#462153

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-22 06:23 -0700
Message-ID<d6ee4e1b-26c3-4647-b3e2-7413f21855b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462080
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:31:00 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:22:14 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> 
> > No moron, you made a wild claim that you can make a ball go orbiting motion around a CP force source by flipping on a switch. So go ahead and show us how.
> 
> Nevertheless, except for eddy current effects noted by Ed Prochak, 
> conservation of energy and conservation of angular momentum apply. 
> No matter how complex the orbit due to the dipole nature of the 
> magnetic field, if you can avoid collision (for the purposes of the
> thought experiment, simply reduce the magnet to two point monopoles 
> and reduce the ferromagnetic particle to point size), the orbiting
> particle ***MUST*** continue to orbit.

Why don’t you do it and let us know. BTW, the existence of monopoles is questionable....no monopole ever been found.

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#462160

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-22 06:47 -0700
Message-ID<5f157449-6d25-4318-b229-7461a0a7d54e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462153
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:23:04 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:31:00 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:22:14 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> > 
> > > No moron, you made a wild claim that you can make a ball go orbiting motion around a CP force source by flipping on a switch. So go ahead and show us how.
> > 
> > Nevertheless, except for eddy current effects noted by Ed Prochak, 
> > conservation of energy and conservation of angular momentum apply. 
> > No matter how complex the orbit due to the dipole nature of the 
> > magnetic field, if you can avoid collision (for the purposes of the
> > thought experiment, simply reduce the magnet to two point monopoles 
> > and reduce the ferromagnetic particle to point size), the orbiting
> > particle ***MUST*** continue to orbit.
> 
> Why don’t you do it and let us know. BTW, the existence of monopoles is questionable....no monopole ever been found.

I was describing a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, a GEDANKEN. 

The ***IMPORTANT*** thing was to explore the consequences of the laws of
conservation of energy and angular momentum, WHICH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY
IGNORANT OF!!!!

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#462172

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-22 07:22 -0700
Message-ID<25d0eecc-19fb-46f4-a72b-01da8f868440@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462160
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:47:56 AM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:23:04 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:31:00 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:22:14 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> > > 
> > > > No moron, you made a wild claim that you can make a ball go orbiting motion around a CP force source by flipping on a switch. So go ahead and show us how.
> > > 
> > > Nevertheless, except for eddy current effects noted by Ed Prochak, 
> > > conservation of energy and conservation of angular momentum apply. 
> > > No matter how complex the orbit due to the dipole nature of the 
> > > magnetic field, if you can avoid collision (for the purposes of the
> > > thought experiment, simply reduce the magnet to two point monopoles 
> > > and reduce the ferromagnetic particle to point size), the orbiting
> > > particle ***MUST*** continue to orbit.
> > 
> > Why don’t you do it and let us know. BTW, the existence of monopoles is questionable....no monopole ever been found.
> 
> I was describing a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, a GEDANKEN. 

A thought experiment cannot be used as proof that a ball can have stable orbits around  a single attractive force.

> 
> The ***IMPORTANT*** thing was to explore the consequences of the laws of
> conservation of energy and angular momentum, WHICH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY
> IGNORANT OF!!!!

You are ignorant of the fact that a single attractive force (such as the CP force) cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit it. 

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#462227

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-22 12:20 -0700
Message-ID<97ea63ff-22dc-4386-8dfb-487e073a547a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462172
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:

> You are ignorant of the fact that a single attractive force (such as the CP force) cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit it.

There are many demonstrations online of how Kepler's laws may be derived
from Newton's laws.

For example:
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/152.mf1i.spring02/KeplersLaws.htm

I like this presentation because it doesn't gloss over the calculus.
There is a tricky integration step in the derivation of Kepler's First Law
that defeated me when I tried to do the derivation by myself. I finally 
gave up and "cheated" by looking online. 

I was first exposed to the derivation at the 1968 Summer Science Program
held that the Thatcher School, Ojai, CA. Robert Chambers taught the 
orbital mechanics part of the course.
https://aas.org/obituaries/robert-j-chambers-1930-1995
https://summerscience.org/

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#462312

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-23 04:39 -0700
Message-ID<f073ad5d-cb4f-49f5-9e29-75fc4aafd690@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462227
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> 
> > You are ignorant of the fact that a single attractive force (such as the CP force) cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit it.
> 
> There are many demonstrations online of how Kepler's laws may be derived
> from Newton’s laws.

How is this answer my question that a single attractive force cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit around it?

> 
> For example:
> http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/152.mf1i.spring02/KeplersLaws.htm
> 
> I like this presentation because it doesn't gloss over the calculus.
> There is a tricky integration step in the derivation of Kepler's First Law
> that defeated me when I tried to do the derivation by myself. I finally 
> gave up and "cheated" by looking online. 
> 
> I was first exposed to the derivation at the 1968 Summer Science Program
> held that the Thatcher School, Ojai, CA. Robert Chambers taught the 
> orbital mechanics part of the course.
> https://aas.org/obituaries/robert-j-chambers-1930-1995
> https://summerscience.org/

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#462344

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-23 06:53 -0700
Message-ID<e0ad16b7-e245-4c32-af75-7dc030cc3ec0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462312
On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 6:39:47 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:20:15 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> > 
> > > You are ignorant of the fact that a single attractive force (such as the CP force) cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit it.
> > 
> > There are many demonstrations online of how Kepler's laws may be derived
> > from Newton’s laws.
> 
> How is this answer my question that a single attractive force cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit around it?

With mathematics, we can explore the consequences of a set of physical
assumptions. Newton's law of gravitational force results in stable 
elliptical orbits.

Only ***mathematical illiterates*** would question the derivation 
presented in the link that I provided.

> > For example:
> > http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/152.mf1i.spring02/KeplersLaws.htm
> > 
> > I like this presentation because it doesn't gloss over the calculus.
> > There is a tricky integration step in the derivation of Kepler's First Law
> > that defeated me when I tried to do the derivation by myself. I finally 
> > gave up and "cheated" by looking online. 
> > 
> > I was first exposed to the derivation at the 1968 Summer Science Program
> > held that the Thatcher School, Ojai, CA. Robert Chambers taught the 
> > orbital mechanics part of the course.
> > https://aas.org/obituaries/robert-j-chambers-1930-1995
> > https://summerscience.org/

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#462284

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-22 21:25 -0700
Message-ID<16f1fb13-94de-4aa7-ada6-bd48f4e45e9f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462172
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:22:42 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:47:56 AM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
 
> > I was describing a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, a GEDANKEN. 
> 
> A thought experiment cannot be used as proof that a ball can have stable orbits around  a single attractive force.

As opposed to physical experiments, thought experiments do not report new 
empirical data. They can only provide conclusions based on deductive or 
inductive reasoning from their starting assumptions. Thought experiments 
invoke particulars that are irrelevant to the generality of their 
conclusions. It is the invocation of these particulars that give thought 
experiments their experiment-like appearance. A thought experiment can 
always be reconstructed as a straightforward argument, without the 
irrelevant particulars. John D. Norton, a well-known philosopher of science, 
has noted that "a good thought experiment is a good argument; a bad thought 
experiment is a bad argument."

When effectively used, the irrelevant particulars that convert a 
straightforward argument into a thought experiment can act as "intuition 
pumps" that stimulate readers' ability to apply their intuitions to their 
understanding of a scenario. 

UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS ARE INEFFECTIVE WHEN 
PRESENTED TO CRACKPOTS WHOSE INTUITIVE SENSE OF RIGHTNESS 
ARE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP.
 
> > The ***IMPORTANT*** thing was to explore the consequences of the laws of
> > conservation of energy and angular momentum, WHICH YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY
> > IGNORANT OF!!!!
> 
> You are ignorant of the fact that a single attractive force (such as the CP force) cannot make an object to maintain a stable orbit it.

From what I can see, your model for gravity violates conservation of
energy. It cannot support stable orbits.

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#462288

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-06-23 04:42 +0000
Message-ID<pgkj34$b77$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#462284
Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> writes:

[]

>When effectively used, the irrelevant particulars that convert a 
>straightforward argument into a thought experiment can act as "intuition 
>pumps" that stimulate readers' ability to apply their intuitions to their 
>understanding of a scenario. 

>UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS ARE INEFFECTIVE WHEN 
>PRESENTED TO CRACKPOTS WHOSE INTUITIVE SENSE OF RIGHTNESS 
>ARE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP.

Also the fact that crackpots almost always have some wrong belief
that they are obsessed with, and no amount of logic can convince them
otherwise. If presented with uncontrovertable logic disproving the
belief, the crackpot changes course and the wrong belief springs out
elsewhere.

It's like the leaky Dutch dike story. Illogic springs out, someone tries
to plug it with logic, the illogic just starts leaking out somewhere else,
try to plug that leak with logic and it leaks out somewhere else...

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#462317

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-23 05:12 -0700
Message-ID<7389fa15-a28e-43e8-9871-2f42a2012257@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462288
On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 12:42:15 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> []
> 
> >When effectively used, the irrelevant particulars that convert a 
> >straightforward argument into a thought experiment can act as "intuition 
> >pumps" that stimulate readers' ability to apply their intuitions to their 
> >understanding of a scenario. 
> 
> >UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS ARE INEFFECTIVE WHEN 
> >PRESENTED TO CRACKPOTS WHOSE INTUITIVE SENSE OF RIGHTNESS 
> >ARE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP.
> 
> Also the fact that crackpots almost always have some wrong belief
> that they are obsessed with, and no amount of logic can convince them
> otherwise. If presented with uncontrovertable logic disproving the
> belief, the crackpot changes course and the wrong belief springs out
> elsewhere.
> 
> It's like the leaky Dutch dike story. Illogic springs out, someone tries
> to plug it with logic, the illogic just starts leaking out somewhere else,
> try to plug that leak with logic and it leaks out somewhere else...

So are you talking about yourself?

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#462411

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-06-24 00:20 +0000
Message-ID<pgmo53$i8v$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#462317
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 12:42:15 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> []
>> 
>> >When effectively used, the irrelevant particulars that convert a 
>> >straightforward argument into a thought experiment can act as "intuition 
>> >pumps" that stimulate readers' ability to apply their intuitions to their 
>> >understanding of a scenario. 
>> 
>> >UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS ARE INEFFECTIVE WHEN 
>> >PRESENTED TO CRACKPOTS WHOSE INTUITIVE SENSE OF RIGHTNESS 
>> >ARE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP.
>> 
>> Also the fact that crackpots almost always have some wrong belief
>> that they are obsessed with, and no amount of logic can convince them
>> otherwise. If presented with uncontrovertable logic disproving the
>> belief, the crackpot changes course and the wrong belief springs out
>> elsewhere.
>> 
>> It's like the leaky Dutch dike story. Illogic springs out, someone tries
>> to plug it with logic, the illogic just starts leaking out somewhere else,
>> try to plug that leak with logic and it leaks out somewhere else...

>So are you talking about yourself?

No, I actually had you in mind as a near-perfect example of what I am
talking about, Ken.

You have a wrong belief (actually, several) which you are obsessed about.
Psychologists call this an "idee fixe".

No amount of trying to talk sense to you will ever convince you that
your wrong beliefs are wrong. You demonstrate this with every single
one of your responses.

When presented with logic that you can't easily brush off, your illogic
just comes out in another form, and at some time in the future you
repeat your refuted illogic as if nothing ever happened. So it doesn't
help that someone plugged one of your illogic leaks, your illogic just
starts leaking out elsewhere in another form.

You are a poster child of exactly what I was talking about.

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#462086

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 22:31 +0000
Message-ID<pgh8vq$1k96$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462079
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:44:57 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:08:20 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:48:22 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:59:46 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 11:44:55 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 4:23:12 PM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:14:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is also wrong. Every time you open your mouth you say something in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict with first year elementary physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So say an uneducated moron woodworker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Likely not uneducated at all, as he is absolutely right, Mr Seto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You, on the other side, have shown that you are 100% uneducated in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the matters of basic math and physics, remember your post below, Mr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newton’s calculations assumed a single attractive force of gravity and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> circular orbit of the moon (the same radius for all locations of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moon). The fact that his calculations agree with observation is irrelevant. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> And with that “irrelevant” comment you continue to show you have NO idea
>>>>>>>>>>>> how science works. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot....You have no idea how a single attractive force works. The source
>>>>>>>>>>> of a single attractive force can’t make objects orbit around it. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Why, yes, Ken, it can.  Take any two objects that are just passing each
>>>>>>>>>> other with no forces acting on either one of them, and then throw a switch
>>>>>>>>>> to turn on an attractive force between them — just that one attractive
>>>>>>>>>> force — and they will now orbit each other. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
>>>>>>>>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Did you make them traveling past each other as I specified, or did you just
>>>>>>>> plop them down in the table? What’s wrong with you? Can you not follow
>>>>>>>> experimental procedures???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes I did....the best I can do is to get half of an orbit before it crash
>>>>>>> into the magnet. It seems that you are a lying sack of shit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Notice that you have not removed friction between the magnet and the table,
>>>>>> or between the ball and the table. What did I tell you about being careful
>>>>>> to remove friction in your experimental tests. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Secondly, to get a circular orbit, the velocity of the ball has to be made
>>>>>> not too small and not too large. This is how the moon’s orbit w...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion.....why don’t you do it
>>>>> and make a video of it and show us.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The disbelief of an uneducated man such as yourself is not particularly
>>>> compelling. The difference between you and me, Ken, is that I have taken
>>>> the time and effort to educate myself somewhat, and as a result of that
>>>> education, I have come to believe some things are true. Some of that
>>>> education involves seeing well-crafted real-life demonstrations. You on the
>>>> other hand have not taken any time or effort to educate yourself. And so
>>>> all you use for deciding what to believe is your common sense and
>>>> demonstrations you put together with things from your junk drawer. 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> You made wild claim and you refused to back it up with experiment. 
>> 
>> Claims that are well documented in books and demonstrations are not wild. 
> 
> No moron, you made a wild claim that you can make a ball go orbiting
> motion around a CP force source by flipping on a switch. So go ahead and show us how.

Video demonstrations are available for this, as well as simulations.
Educate yourself. This is not a wild claim. This is basic physics you are
ignorant of. 

> 
>> 
>> Let me reiterate something to you. 
>> 1. If you choose not to study physics, that is YOUR problem and nobody
>> else’s. 
>> 2. If there is something from basic physics that you find unbelievable,
>> then this is a symptom of you being UNEDUCATED, not a symptom that it’s a
>> wild claim. 
>> 3. If there is something that is well documented that you are unfamiliar
>> with, nobody is going to do a one-on-one training for your eyes here where
>> it is convenient for you. You are expected to go to where the information
>> is, not demand that the information be brought to you here. 
>> 
>> Grow up. Stop acting like an infant and start behaving like a grown-up. 
>> 
>>> You claimed that you can make an object orbiting around a single
>>> attractive force in the lab so I call on you to make a video to support
>>> your claim. If you can produce such video then I will admit that my theory is wrong.
>>> 
>> 
>> If you won’t study physics on your own, nobody is going to take the effort
>> to convince you. Grow up. 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#462018

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 10:03 -0700
Message-ID<1a94658a-7314-42a5-9753-19bae782e83f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#461896
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
> > >>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
> > >> 
> 
> I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion...
> ..why don’t you do it and make a video of it and show us.

Well you chose a poor system as an analogy. There are several
problems modeling gravity using iron ball and magnet.

You and Odd have covered the obvious problem, namely friction
But even solving that there are other issues.

First is the fact that gravity is a unipole field.
A magnet yields a dipole field. So if you are using 
a bar magnet for example and you lay that on its side
on the center of the work table, the shape of the
magnetic field is very different from the shape of
a gravitational field. So the force is not always
directed toward the magnet.

You can begin to solve this by placing the magnet
vertically and also under the surface. Now most of
field is radial like gravity, but not uniformly
inverse square.

Second is the conductivity of the iron ball.
Any conductive material moving through a magnetic
field experiences electric currents generated within
the material. These currents in turn generate their
own magnetic field. This distorts the field affecting
the forces on the ball and again the result is
different from the gravitational field being modeled.
These will be small, but like friction, it will affect
the motion.

Just pointing this out that it is not simple to model
gravity using magnetism.

So Ken's failure may be due to more than than just
poor execution of the experiment.

Ed

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#462024

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 10:11 -0700
Message-ID<31855d4e-ac4d-4c6b-9388-8f6e8bc7f05a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462018
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote:

> Second is the conductivity of the iron ball.
> Any conductive material moving through a magnetic
> field experiences electric currents generated within
> the material. These currents in turn generate their
> own magnetic field. This distorts the field affecting
> the forces on the ball and again the result is
> different from the gravitational field being modeled.
> These will be small, but like friction, it will affect
> the motion.

Yes, I forgot about induced currents in the iron particle resulting in
energy loss.

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#462081

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-21 14:34 -0700
Message-ID<4277b003-c5e7-4fd4-a087-b755b475f45d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462018
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:03:28 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
> > > >>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
> > > >> 
> > 
> > I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion...
> > ..why don’t you do it and make a video of it and show us.
> 
> Well you chose a poor system as an analogy. There are several
> problems modeling gravity using iron ball and magnet.
> 
> You and Odd have covered the obvious problem, namely friction
> But even solving that there are other issues.

Odd said that he can make a ball to go around a single attractive force by flipping on a switch.

> 
> First is the fact that gravity is a unipole field.
> A magnet yields a dipole field. So if you are using 
> a bar magnet for example and you lay that on its side
> on the center of the work table, the shape of the
> magnetic field is very different from the shape of
> a gravitational field. So the force is not always
> directed toward the magnet.
> 
> You can begin to solve this by placing the magnet
> vertically and also under th...

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#462087

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-21 22:31 +0000
Message-ID<pgh8vr$1k96$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462081
kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:03:28 PM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 4:09:24 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey uneducated moron woodworker, I have a magnet and an iron ball I can’t
>>>>>>> make the ball orbiting the magnet. It just crash into the magnet as predicted. 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don’t believe it and since It is your assertion...
>>> ..why don’t you do it and make a video of it and show us.
>> 
>> Well you chose a poor system as an analogy. There are several
>> problems modeling gravity using iron ball and magnet.
>> 
>> You and Odd have covered the obvious problem, namely friction
>> But even solving that there are other issues.
> 
> Odd said that he can make a ball to go around a single attractive force
> by flipping on a switch.

Yes. Air hockey table to eliminate friction. Air hockey puck with permanent
magnet resting on top. Electromagnet positioned under table, generating a
dipole field when current is turned on. 

Launch hockey puck with spring-powered launcher to provide a tuned speed to
the puck, along a line that is offset from the dot under which the magnet
sits. When puck passes point if closest approach, turn switch to run
current through electromagnet. 

Puck exhibits a closed orbit around the dot. 

I’m sure you know how to search YouTube for this video. 

Note the difference between the careful demonstration design here and your
crappy kitchen table attempt. 

> 
>> 
>> First is the fact that gravity is a unipole field.
>> A magnet yields a dipole field. So if you are using 
>> a bar magnet for example and you lay that on its side
>> on the center of the work table, the shape of the
>> magnetic field is very different from the shape of
>> a gravitational field. So the force is not always
>> directed toward the magnet.
>> 
>> You can begin to solve this by placing the magnet
>> vertically and also under th...
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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