Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > sci.physics.relativity > #460339 > unrolled thread

Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity?

Started bykenseto <setoken@att.net>
First post2018-06-04 16:31 -0700
Last post2018-06-05 08:43 -0700
Articles 20 on this page of 565 — 22 participants

Back to article view | Back to sci.physics.relativity

This discussion starts older than the indexed window; earlier articles aren't shown. The article labeled Started by below is the oldest one visible, not the original post.


Contents

  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-04 16:31 -0700
    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 00:16 -0400
      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 08:12 -0700
        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 16:23 +0000
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 13:56 -0700
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:32 +0000
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:12 -0400
              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 02:48 +0000
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 06:10 -0700
              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 05:48 -0700
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 14:19 -0700
        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 10:24 -0700
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 18:00 +0000
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-05 11:04 -0700
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 15:25 -0400
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 14:28 -0700
      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 08:22 -0700
        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 12:05 -0400
          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 14:12 -0700
            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-05 19:10 -0400
              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 05:38 -0700
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 12:45 +0000
                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 06:08 -0700
                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 14:00 +0000
                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 14:07 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-06 17:22 -0400
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 07:58 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 21:34 +0000
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 07:40 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 13:49 -0700
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 21:27 +0000
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 12:45 +0000
                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 06:17 -0700
                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 14:30 +0000
                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-06 14:33 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 21:38 +0000
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 07:26 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 16:08 +0000
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 10:02 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 17:51 +0000
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 13:57 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 16:59 -0700
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 06:52 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 13:38 -0700
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 06:38 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:46 +0000
                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 07:22 -0700
                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 16:50 +0000
                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-08 16:56 +0000
                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 14:21 -0700
                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 22:31 +0000
                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-09 05:17 -0700
                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 13:47 +0000
                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-09 08:00 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 16:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 06:12 -0700
                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 09:46 -0400
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 07:32 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 09:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 19:18 +0000
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 04:52 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 05:01 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:40 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 14:04 -0400
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 13:58 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 21:19 +0000
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 08:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 08:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 08:26 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 12:26 -0400
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 10:28 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 12:12 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 12:58 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 15:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-13 11:11 -0500
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 17:46 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 22:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 04:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 14:31 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 08:37 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 16:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-13 07:14 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:52 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-13 12:27 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 13:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Pasquale Broman <lqs@basq.ce> - 2018-06-13 20:43 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 13:57 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Pasquale Broman <lqs@basq.ce> - 2018-06-13 21:26 +0000
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 13:28 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 13:45 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 18:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 14:31 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 08:32 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 15:45 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:55 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:41 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:50 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-14 18:28 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 19:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 22:46 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 04:30 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 05:12 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 05:41 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:39 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 19:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 19:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:43 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 05:31 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-14 11:37 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 11:56 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:40 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-15 13:27 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 15:03 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-16 05:40 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 07:53 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-16 13:18 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-16 17:08 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 18:34 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 02:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 06:36 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 15:44 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 09:04 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 18:16 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 13:33 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-17 16:46 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-17 14:23 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 09:11 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-06-18 09:32 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 17:26 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 14:04 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 14:58 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 22:43 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 22:47 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 08:10 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 12:12 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:41 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:56 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 17:18 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:57 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:42 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:43 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:48 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 05:46 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 09:02 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 09:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-17 17:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 07:30 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-17 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 17:59 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 11:39 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 09:08 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 15:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 09:18 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-17 17:23 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 18:14 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 13:17 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 22:23 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 06:55 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 15:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 08:57 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-18 17:39 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 11:57 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 12:27 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 07:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:09 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:38 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 18:14 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 15:18 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 11:29 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:44 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 14:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 06:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 06:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 07:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 12:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 06:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 21:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-23 04:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 05:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:20 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:03 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:11 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 14:34 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 22:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 02:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 10:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 10:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 00:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 01:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 07:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 06:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 13:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 07:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 15:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 09:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 10:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 10:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 15:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 08:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 16:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 11:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 15:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 22:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 16:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 06:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 14:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 14:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 14:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-07-07 15:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:32 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 14:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 15:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 17:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 20:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-04 06:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-04 09:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 06:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 09:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 15:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 14:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 12:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 15:31 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 16:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 21:07 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-07 09:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 20:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-06 14:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-07 00:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-07 17:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-04 06:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 06:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 07:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 08:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 08:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 09:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 22:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 17:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 15:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 05:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-09 05:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-14 02:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-15 15:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 09:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-07-17 10:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 17:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-17 12:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-18 23:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 00:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-25 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-26 22:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-27 23:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-28 00:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-29 05:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 00:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-30 03:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 02:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-31 07:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-01 07:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-04 09:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 18:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 02:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 18:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-05 14:32 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-06 05:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-06 15:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 17:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 17:42 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 02:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 09:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 10:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-23 17:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 15:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 15:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 18:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 18:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 22:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 00:52 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 06:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-22 14:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 14:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 08:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 10:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-23 14:55 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 06:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-24 17:50 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-19 06:05 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 09:14 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 16:28 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 22:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 18:10 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 17:49 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-16 13:12 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-17 06:26 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 13:33 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 17:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 12:18 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 07:39 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 12:16 -0400
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 16:30 +0000
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 17:26 -0400
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-10 21:31 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-10 17:47 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-10 21:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-12 18:44 +0000
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 06:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 10:42 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 08:57 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-11 18:04 +0200
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-11 16:15 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-12 01:47 +0200
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 06:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-12 15:10 +0200
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 07:50 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-12 18:20 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 13:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-11 12:37 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-12 08:28 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-12 12:19 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 09:44 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 14:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 19:00 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-11 05:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 12:31 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 13:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-12 17:50 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-12 18:39 -0700
                                                                          OT: programming languages in physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-13 12:07 -0500
                                                                            Re: OT: programming languages in physics Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 15:33 -0700
                                                                              Re: OT: programming languages in physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-14 11:24 -0500
                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocowak.br> - 2018-06-14 16:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-14 22:02 +0200
                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-14 20:43 +0000
                                                                                      Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-14 23:18 +0200
                                                                                        Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-14 22:11 +0000
                                                                                          Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-15 00:32 +0200
                                                                                            Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-15 14:40 +0000
                                                                                              Re: OT: programming languages in physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 09:51 -0700
                                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-16 12:40 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 13:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 13:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-16 15:59 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 14:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: OT: programming languages in physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-16 13:00 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-16 17:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: OT: programming languages in physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 03:31 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: OT: programming languages in physics Werner Ballard <db@ocoak.bn> - 2018-06-17 11:41 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: OT: programming languages in physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-18 09:05 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: OT: programming languages in physics Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-18 15:56 +0000
                                                                                Re: OT: programming languages in physics Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-14 10:58 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 15:55 +0000
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 09:51 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 17:55 -0700
                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-18 19:25 +0200
                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-18 11:19 -0700
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 11:38 -0700
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-18 22:33 +0200
                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 14:27 -0700
                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 07:53 -0700
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 12:03 -0400
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:16 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-20 17:42 -0400
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 11:16 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-22 10:50 +0200
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 02:27 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce> - 2018-06-22 11:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-22 13:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 08:25 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-22 22:56 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 04:52 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-06-23 17:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-24 18:19 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-24 12:09 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-25 19:22 +0200
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-25 11:27 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-25 21:48 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 06:08 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-27 20:40 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 06:57 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 14:13 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 01:10 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 06:50 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 08:11 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 09:39 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:50 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 13:39 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 14:12 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:41 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-30 23:21 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 19:17 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 03:42 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-01 07:58 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 15:19 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:34 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-01 10:00 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 15:24 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-30 16:39 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-06-30 17:16 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 16:03 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-07-02 18:46 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-02 10:24 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 18:04 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-07-03 20:46 +0200
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-06-25 19:40 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 05:09 -0700
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:28 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 13:39 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:55 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 18:25 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 12:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 12:45 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 09:38 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:44 +0000
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 11:22 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 21:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 06:59 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 07:53 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 08:49 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 08:58 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 05:35 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-23 14:33 +0000
                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-23 16:55 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:35 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 13:17 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-24 07:36 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-24 09:24 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 14:07 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-25 11:10 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 20:44 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 06:13 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-26 13:37 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-26 14:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 17:32 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 00:45 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-26 17:46 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 01:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-27 07:00 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-27 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 07:15 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 08:23 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 16:09 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-28 11:07 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-28 19:48 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 07:04 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 14:10 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 21:56 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 15:50 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 06:18 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:28 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 16:31 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 08:52 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-03 15:01 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-03 22:11 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-07-03 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 09:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-05 15:47 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:33 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 09:58 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-29 13:57 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-29 21:56 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 06:12 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 17:10 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 06:15 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-30 15:05 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-30 22:08 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 03:44 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 13:34 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-07-01 09:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Oren Woodcock <uw@osiweoq.lp> - 2018-07-01 17:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 18:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-07-01 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-07-01 14:48 -0400
                                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-24 00:24 +0000
                                                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 09:59 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 10:42 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 14:00 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 16:10 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:34 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:19 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-22 07:03 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 18:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 12:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 12:49 -0400
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:54 +0000
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 12:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-20 13:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 14:02 -0700
                                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 10:20 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 10:26 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-21 14:17 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 14:37 -0700
                                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:26 +0200
                                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 06:45 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-10 19:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 13:44 -0700
                                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-10 18:22 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:30 -0700
                        Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-07 11:09 -0400
                          Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-07 09:44 -0700
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Zandra Sobczak <acako@raswa.bo> - 2018-06-07 16:49 +0000
                            Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-06-07 13:23 -0400
                              Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 06:59 -0700
                                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-08 18:40 +0200
                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-08 13:26 -0700
                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 13:36 -0700
                                  Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-09 05:45 -0700
                                    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:22 +0200
                                      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-10 06:22 -0700
                Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-06 18:01 +0000
    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 05:51 -0700
    Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 12:55 +0000
      Re: Why does gravity have to be transmitted through particles when gravity isn't a force in general relativity? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-06-05 08:43 -0700

Page 21 of 29 — ← Prev page 1 … 19 20 [21] 22 23 … 29  Next page →


#461828

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-20 07:53 -0700
Message-ID<7da86ff9-35a3-4a37-985c-1fc3107f7829@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#461652
On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote: 
> 
> > If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force. 
> 
> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
> 
> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial 
> (non-rotating) frame of reference. 

Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists. There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate different isotopes to make atomic bombs.

>In an inertial frame, what appears to 
> be an outwards-directed force in the rotating frame, is nothing more than 
> a consequence of the fact that the trajectory of a moving body will be 
> straight unless a force is applied that has a component perpendicular to its 
> direction of motion. 

So that means that in the case of the earth and the moon, there exists a CF force to prevent the moon from crashing into the earth due to the attractive force of gravity. The combination of the FP and CF forces is what enables the moon have a stable orbit around the earth. 
Currently there is no mechanism for the origin of these CP and CF forces.  That’s why I invented the DTG. DTG says:
1. the CP force is an attractive EM force arise from the fact that the earth and the moon are expanding i the same direction in the E-Matrix  as the universe expands.
2. the CF force is a repulsive effect exists between the earth and the moon because the earth and the moon are confined to the divergent structure of the E-Matrix as the universe expands.

> 
> The concept of centrifugal force *does* have utility when analyzing systems 
> in rotating frames, but that is *not* what we are dealing with here.

Current physics has it wrong.....the CF force and the CP force are in equal footing. In fact there are more practical of the CF force than the CP force. Come to think of it, I can’t think of an application for the CP force other than in orbital mechanics.....can you?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#461844

FromVolney <volney@volney.invalid>
Date2018-06-20 12:03 -0400
Message-ID<pgdtr0$fvd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#461828
On 6/20/2018 10:53 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
>>
>>> If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force.
>>
>> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
>>
>> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial
>> (non-rotating) frame of reference.
> 
> Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists.

No, you assert that centrifugal force exists. Assertion is not a valid 
argument.

> There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate different isotopes to make atomic bombs.

Notice that centrifuges are most certainly a rotating (and thus 
non-inertial) frame, and in a rotating frame you can treat centrifugal 
force as existing, so centrifuges work. But it's not a real force in 
inertial frames.
> 
>> In an inertial frame, what appears to
>> be an outwards-directed force in the rotating frame, is nothing more than
>> a consequence of the fact that the trajectory of a moving body will be
>> straight unless a force is applied that has a component perpendicular to its
>> direction of motion.
> 
> So that means that in the case of the earth and the moon, there exists a CF force to prevent the moon from crashing into the earth due to the attractive force of gravity. The combination of the FP and CF forces is what enables the moon have a stable orbit around the earth.

Only if you use a rotating frame, in which the moon is stationary.

>> The concept of centrifugal force *does* have utility when analyzing systems
>> in rotating frames, but that is *not* what we are dealing with here.

Like centrifuges.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#461898

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-20 13:16 -0700
Message-ID<ad21f357-eb50-4f02-8d79-b66cb1867c36@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#461844
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> On 6/20/2018 10:53 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> >> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> >>
> >>> If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force.
> >>
> >> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
> >>
> >> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial
> >> (non-rotating) frame of reference.
> > 
> > Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists.
> 
> No, you assert that centrifugal force exists. Assertion is not a valid 
> argument.

It is you who made assertions. I  demonstrated to me of the many applications using the CF force. 

> 
> > There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate different isotopes to make atomic bombs.
> 
> Notice that centrifuges are most certainly a rotating (and thus 
> non-inertial) frame, and in a rotating frame you can treat centrifugal 
> force as existing, so centrifuges work. But it's not a real force in 
> inertial frames.

There are no inertial frame exist on earth.....the earth is rotating. So what is your argument now. BTW, why deny the existence of the CF force when it is readily demonstrated?

> > 
> >> In an inertial frame, what appears to
> >> be an outwards-directed force in the rotating frame, is nothing more than
> >> a consequence of th...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#461921

FromVolney <volney@volney.invalid>
Date2018-06-20 17:42 -0400
Message-ID<pgeho0$kuj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#461898
On 6/20/2018 4:16 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> On 6/20/2018 10:53 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force.
>>>>
>>>> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
>>>>
>>>> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial
>>>> (non-rotating) frame of reference.
>>>
>>> Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists.
>>
>> No, you assert that centrifugal force exists. Assertion is not a valid
>> argument.
> 
> It is you who made assertions. I  demonstrated to me of the many applications using the CF force.

No, you assert centrifugal force exists. In an inertial frame there is 
no such force, the apparent effect is strictly due to the inertia of the 
masses trying to move in a straight line (Newton's First Law).

Centrifugal force appears real in a _rotating_ frame (centrifuges, 
amusement park rides, merry-go-rounds, etc.) but these are not inertial 
and pseudo-forces are fine. For example, in the rotating frame of a 
merry-go-round, a ball stationary on the floor of the merry-go-round 
will start to roll outward, as observed by an observer stationary on the 
merry-go-round. However, an observer stationary outside the 
merry-go-round (inertial, or close enough) will see a moving ball trying 
to keep moving in the same direction (Newton's First Law).
> 
>>
>>> There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate different isotopes to make atomic bombs.
>>
>> Notice that centrifuges are most certainly a rotating (and thus
>> non-inertial) frame, and in a rotating frame you can treat centrifugal
>> force as existing, so centrifuges work. But it's not a real force in
>> inertial frames.
> 
> There are no inertial frame exist on earth.....the earth is rotating. So what is your argument now.

Technically there are, but there are many ways to make effects like 
earth's gravity meaningless, less than the margin of error from other 
effects. For example, demonstrating rotating frames on a merry-go-round 
or something. The floor of the merry-go-round is perpendicular to 
gravity, so gravity doesn't affect the results, like measuring the 
strength of the centrifugal pseudoforce (outwards).

> BTW, why deny the existence of the CF force when it is readily demonstrated?

Demonstrated in non-inertial frames, like centrifuges, merry-go-rounds 
etc. Doesn't exist in inertial frames, or frames close enough to being 
inertial.

> 
>>>
>>>> In an inertial frame, what appears to
>>>> be an outwards-directed force in the rotating frame, is nothing more than
>>>> a consequence of th...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462046

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-21 11:16 -0700
Message-ID<dcb2889c-fb1f-4684-9081-812ff56c4218@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#461921
On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:42:25 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> On 6/20/2018 4:16 PM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> >> On 6/20/2018 10:53 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force.
> >>>>
> >>>> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
> >>>>
> >>>> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial
> >>>> (non-rotating) frame of reference.
> >>>
> >>> Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists.
> >>
> >> No, you assert that centrifugal force exists. Assertion is not a valid
> >> argument.
> > 
> > It is you who made assertions. I  demonstrated to me of the many applications using the CF force.
> 
> No, you assert centrifugal force exists. In an inertial frame there is 
> no such force, the apparent effect is strictly due to the inertia of the 
> masses trying to move in a straight line (Newton’s First Law).

No sir, I didn't assert, I experienced the CF force when I take a ride in the amusement park. You are a fanatic.....your fantasy inertial frame is no where to be found on earth and in a gravitational field.

> 
> Centrifugal force appears real in a _rotating_ frame (centrifuges, 
> amusement park rides, merry-go-rounds, etc.) but these are not inertial 
> and pseudo-forces are fine. For example, in the rotating frame of a 
> merry-go-round, a ball stationary on the floor of the merry-go-round 
> will start to roll outward, as observed by an observer stationary on the 
> merry-go-round. However, an observer stationary outside the 
> merry-go-round (inertial, or close enough) will see a moving ball trying 
> to keep moving in the same direction (Newton’s First Law).

To an outside observer: The ball feels the CF force (acceleration) and that’s why it starts to roll outward. BTW it is not trying to move in the same direction....the CF force is directing it to move in a curved and outward direction. You need to learn fundamental physics.

> > 
> >>
> >>> There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate di...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462141

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-06-22 10:50 +0200
Message-ID<CL2XC.415259$EL2.150833@fx37.am4>
In reply to#462046
Den 21.06.2018 20.16, skrev kenseto:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:42:25 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> On 6/20/2018 4:16 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/2018 10:53 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial
>>>>>> (non-rotating) frame of reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists.
>>>>
>>>> No, you assert that centrifugal force exists. Assertion is not a valid
>>>> argument.
>>>
>>> It is you who made assertions. I  demonstrated to me of the many applications using the CF force.
>>
>> No, you assert centrifugal force exists. In an inertial frame there is
>> no such force, the apparent effect is strictly due to the inertia of the
>> masses trying to move in a straight line (Newton’s First Law).
> 
> No sir, I didn't assert, I experienced the CF force when I take a ride in the amusement park. You are a fanatic.....your fantasy inertial frame is no where to be found on earth and in a gravitational field.
> 
>>
>> Centrifugal force appears real in a _rotating_ frame (centrifuges,
>> amusement park rides, merry-go-rounds, etc.) but these are not inertial
>> and pseudo-forces are fine. For example, in the rotating frame of a
>> merry-go-round, a ball stationary on the floor of the merry-go-round
>> will start to roll outward, as observed by an observer stationary on the
>> merry-go-round. However, an observer stationary outside the
>> merry-go-round (inertial, or close enough) will see a moving ball trying
>> to keep moving in the same direction (Newton’s First Law).
> 
> To an outside observer: The ball feels the CF force (acceleration) and that’s why it starts to roll outward. BTW it is not trying to move in the same direction....the CF force is directing it to move in a curved and outward direction. You need to learn fundamental physics.
> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate di...

https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462142

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-22 02:27 -0700
Message-ID<b0798af2-cb3e-48ae-a1bc-dab0c955640d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462141
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:50:43 AM UTC-5, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> 
> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html

EXTREMELY enlightening!!!

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462147

FromZprávn Udoucih <zpnvn@nwinst.ce>
Date2018-06-22 11:36 +0000
Message-ID<pgimuv$1ohh$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#462142
Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:

> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:50:43 AM UTC-5, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> 
>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
> 
> EXTREMELY enlightening!!!

You just express your level of ignorance in programming java, and oop in 
general.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462165

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-06-22 13:57 +0000
Message-ID<pgiv7i$epr$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#462142
Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> writes:

>On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 3:50:43 AM UTC-5, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> 
>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html

>EXTREMELY enlightening!!!

Yes. Very good job, Paul.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462180

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-22 08:25 -0700
Message-ID<a89df8d2-0793-42ab-9050-73e512ee234e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462141
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 21.06.2018 20.16, skrev kenseto:
> > On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:42:25 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> >> On 6/20/2018 4:16 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> >>>> On 6/20/2018 10:53 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:27:14 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> >>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If gravity is strictly attractive, what is stopping the body go all the way to the center of the orbit? The answer: centrifugal force.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [replacement for a deleted post where I made an extremely silly typo]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Centrifugal force does not exist when you describe a system in an inertial
> >>>>>> (non-rotating) frame of reference.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Assertion is not a valid argument. Centrifugal force exists.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, you assert that centrifugal force exists. Assertion is not a valid
> >>>> argument.
> >>>
> >>> It is you who made assertions. I  demonstrated to me of the many applications using the CF force.
> >>
> >> No, you assert centrifugal force exists. In an inertial frame there is
> >> no such force, the apparent effect is strictly due to the inertia of the
> >> masses trying to move in a straight line (Newton’s First Law).
> > 
> > No sir, I didn't assert, I experienced the CF force when I take a ride in the amusement park. You are a fanatic.....your fantasy inertial frame is no where to be found on earth and in a gravitational field.
> > 
> >>
> >> Centrifugal force appears real in a _rotating_ frame (centrifuges,
> >> amusement park rides, merry-go-rounds, etc.) but these are not inertial
> >> and pseudo-forces are fine. For example, in the rotating frame of a
> >> merry-go-round, a ball stationary on the floor of the merry-go-round
> >> will start to roll outward, as observed by an observer stationary on the
> >> merry-go-round. However, an observer stationary outside the
> >> merry-go-round (inertial, or close enough) will see a moving ball trying
> >> to keep moving in the same direction (Newton’s First Law).
> > 
> > To an outside observer: The ball feels the CF force (acceleration) and that’s why it starts to roll outward. BTW it is not trying to move in the same direction....the CF force is directing it to move in a curved and outward direction. You need to learn fundamental physics.
> > 
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> There are countless applications using CF force...eg: centrifuges to separate material of different densities, gas centrifuges to separate di...
> 
> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html

>Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.

Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.


>Ralph playing with his ball
>To pass the time on his long journey, Ralph is sometimes playing with a ball. He is puzzled by the weird >behaviour of the ball. When he drops the ball, it falls towards the inner wall, as expected, but it is also >veering a little to the left. 

The ball is also in  a state of CF rotating acceleration and thus it also falls toward the wall. Also, the whole ship is accelerating toward the right and that’s why the ball is veering to the left.

>If he hold the ball 2 metres above the wall, and throws it to the left with the initial velocity 8 m/s, the ball >doesn't fall at all, it moves around the spaceship at 2 metres height above the wall, with the constant >speed 8 m/s. If he on the other hand throws it to the right with the same speed, the ball falls much faster >to the wall than expected.

The throwing of the ball to the left cancels out the ship’s and the ball’s CF acceleration toward the wall and that’s why it doesn’t fall at all. Throwing the ball to the right it increases the acceleration toward the wall and that’s why it hit the wall much faster.

But Ralph is a smart guy, so he his determined to figure out how the strange artificial gravity works. He throws the ball in many different directions and with different speeds, carefully measuring the trajectory of the ball with his camcorder. He finds that there must be two different forces acting on the ball, one that is acting radially out from the centre of the ship. This force gives the ball an acceleration which is equal to R per second squared, where R is the distance the ball is from the centre. The other force is proportional to the speed of the ball, and is always acting perpendicular to the velocity, to the right of the direction of the velocity. This force gives the ball an acceleration which is 2v per second, where v is the speed of the ball.

Ralph is of course convinced that these forces must be real, how else could the ball behave as it does ?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462237

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-06-22 22:56 +0200
Message-ID<UndXC.1005420$MD7.822636@fx14.am4>
In reply to#462180
Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>
>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
> 
>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
> 
> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.

The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
The centripetal force.

> 
> 
>> Ralph playing with his ball
>> To pass the time on his long journey, Ralph is sometimes playing with a ball. He is puzzled by the weird >behaviour of the ball. When he drops the ball, it falls towards the inner wall, as expected, but it is also >veering a little to the left.
> 
> The ball is also in  a state of CF rotating acceleration and thus it also falls toward the wall. Also, the whole ship is accelerating toward the right and that’s why the ball is veering to the left.

There is no force acting on the ball
(except when it is thrown and when it bounces off the wall).
That's why it always is moving along a straight line.

> 
>> If he hold the ball 2 metres above the wall, and throws it to the left with the initial velocity 8 m/s, the ball >doesn't fall at all, it moves around the spaceship at 2 metres height above the wall, with the constant >speed 8 m/s. If he on the other hand throws it to the right with the same speed, the ball falls much faster >to the wall than expected.
> 
> The throwing of the ball to the left cancels out the ship’s and the ball’s CF acceleration toward the wall and that’s why it doesn’t fall at all.
No forces are acting on the ball, so it stays stationary relative
to the centre of the ship while the wall is rotating around it.


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462314

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-23 04:52 -0700
Message-ID<dd7c0e02-559b-4a8c-b121-6f8fc079947c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462237
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
> > On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>
> >> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
> > 
> >> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
> > 
> > Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
> 
> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
> The centripetal force.

No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >> Ralph playing with his ball
> >> To pass the time on his long journey, Ralph is sometimes playing with a ball. He is puzzled by the weird >behaviour of the ball. When he drops the ball, it falls towards the inner wall, as expected, but it is also >veering a little to the left.
> > 
> > The ball is als...

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462410

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-06-24 00:10 +0000
Message-ID<pgmnij$i8v$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#462314
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:

>> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
>> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
>> The centripetal force.

>No, the wall is not moving so it can't exert any CP force on Ralph. 

Yes it is, Stupid Ken, because the spaceship is rotating in inertial 
frames.

Of course you can use the NON-INERTIAL rotating frame that the astronaut
inside experiences with the rotating spaceship stationary in the 
co-rotating frame, but being non-inertial, you get all kinds of odd
effects. The centrifugal pseudoforce itself, and the weird behavior of
the ball when dropped or thrown, for example.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462414

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-06-23 17:26 -0700
Message-ID<30c3f15a-0774-4956-8d82-98462a6c121b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462410
On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 5:11:01 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
> 
> >> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
> >> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
> >> The centripetal force.
> 
> >No, the wall is not moving so it can't exert any CP force on Ralph. 
> 
> Yes it is, Stupid Ken, because the spaceship is rotating in inertial 
> frames.
> 
> Of course you can use the NON-INERTIAL rotating frame that the astronaut
> inside experiences with the rotating spaceship stationary in the 
> co-rotating frame, but being non-inertial, you get all kinds of odd
> effects. The centrifugal pseudoforce itself, and the weird behavior of
> the ball when dropped or thrown, for example.

If gravity is affecting matter's motion's everywhere that proves
Einstein's Inertial Frames don't even exist.


Mitchell Raemsch

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462459

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-06-24 18:19 +0200
Message-ID<ywPXC.623316$Hc3.377471@fx30.am4>
In reply to#462314
Den 23.06.2018 13.52, skrev kenseto:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
>>>
>>>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
>>>
>>> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
>>
>> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
>> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
>> The centripetal force.
> 
> No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force.

Ken, Ken, Ken ... :-)

In which direction did you say Ralph is accelerating?
Is he going through the wall? :-D

https://paulba.no/div/CentripetalAcc.pdf

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462470

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-24 12:09 -0700
Message-ID<bad4cf0a-86c3-4b4d-85f0-c41a9ae12f67@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462459
On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:19:44 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 23.06.2018 13.52, skrev kenseto:
> > On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
> >>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
> >>>
> >>>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
> >>>
> >>> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
> >>
> >> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
> >> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
> >> The centripetal force.
> > 
> > No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force.
> 
> Ken, Ken, Ken ... :-)
> 
> In which direction did you say Ralph is accelerating?
> Is he going through the wall? :-D
> 
> https://paulba.no/div/CentripetalAcc.pdf

Yes, Ralph’s CF motion is trying to make him going through the wall and the wall is preventing him to do so. That’s the artificial gravity Ralph is experiencing.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462587

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-06-25 19:22 +0200
Message-ID<bx9YC.766381$nr7.569006@fx31.am4>
In reply to#462470
Den 24.06.2018 21.09, skrev kenseto:
> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:19:44 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 23.06.2018 13.52, skrev kenseto:
>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
>>>>
>>>> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
>>>> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
>>>> The centripetal force.
>>>
>>> No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force.
>>
>> Ken, Ken, Ken ... :-)
>>
>> In which direction did you say Ralph is accelerating?
>> Is he going through the wall? :-D
>>
>> https://paulba.no/div/CentripetalAcc.pdf
> 
> Yes, Ralph’s CF motion is trying to make him going through the wall and the wall is preventing him to do so. That’s the artificial gravity Ralph is experiencing.
> 

An analogy:
Ken is standing on the floor in a spaceship
in interstellar space. A rocket engine
is giving the spaceship an upwards (on the drawing)
acceleration a.

    / \
   /   \
  |  O  |
  | /|\ |
  |  |  |
  | / \ |
  -------
     ^
     |
     F

Explanation #1:
The floor is exerting a real upwards force on Ken,
giving Ken an upwards acceleration a in
accordance with Newton's second law.

Explanation #2:
A real downwards force is acting on Ken, giving Ken
a downwards acceleration towards the floor.
This acceleration is trying to make him go through
the floor and the floor is preventing him from doing so.
That’s the artificial gravity Ken is experiencing.

Question #1:
Which explanation is correct?

Question #2:
What would an accelerometer show the
direction of the acceleration to be?
Upwards or downwards?

Question #3
What would an accelerometer on the wall
of the rotating spaceship show the
direction of the acceleration to be?
Towards the wall, or towards the centre?


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462606

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-25 11:27 -0700
Message-ID<d97ed5e3-d083-4404-886e-aad672be48cc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462587
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 24.06.2018 21.09, skrev kenseto:
> > On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:19:44 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >> Den 23.06.2018 13.52, skrev kenseto:
> >>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
> >>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
> >>>> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
> >>>> The centripetal force.
> >>>
> >>> No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force.
> >>
> >> Ken, Ken, Ken ... :-)
> >>
> >> In which direction did you say Ralph is accelerating?
> >> Is he going through the wall? :-D
> >>
> >> https://paulba.no/div/CentripetalAcc.pdf
> > 
> > Yes, Ralph’s CF motion is trying to make him going through the wall and the wall is preventing him to do so. That’s the artificial gravity Ralph is experiencing.
> > 
> 
> An analogy:
> Ken is standing on the floor in a spaceship
> in interstellar space. A rocket engine
> is giving the spaceship an upwards (on the drawing)
> acceleration a.
> 
>     / \
>    /   \
>   |  O  |
>   | /|\ |
>   |  |  |
>   | / \ |
>   -------
>      ^
>      |
>      F
> 
> Explanation #1:
> The floor is exerting a real upwards force on Ken,
> giving Ken an upwards acceleration a in
> accordance with Newton’s second law.

In this case the floor of the rocket initiated the movement so it exerts a real upward force on Ken. And Ken feels heavier due to the upward force of the floor.

> 
> Explanation #2:
> A real downwards force is acting on Ken, giving Ken
> a downwards acceleration towards the floor.
> This acceleration is trying to make him go through
> the floor and the floor is preventing him from doing so.
> That’s the artificial gravity Ken is experiencing.

No Ken is not exerting a downward force on the floor.....Ken has no way of generating a downward force.

> 
> Question #1:
> Which explanation is correct?

Explanation #1 is correct.
> 
> Question #2:
> What would an accelerometer show the
> direction of the acceleration to be?
> Upwards or downwards?

Upwards.
> 
> Question #3
> What would an accelerometer on the wall
> of the rotating spaceship show the
> direction of the acceleration to be?
> Towards the wall, or towards the centre?

Toward the wall....the accelerometer will have a CF acceleration against the wall and that’s why it direction of acceleration is point outside the wall.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462608

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-06-25 21:48 +0200
Message-ID<cGbYC.320405$463.265649@fx21.am4>
In reply to#462606
Den 25.06.2018 20.27, skrev kenseto:
> On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 24.06.2018 21.09, skrev kenseto:
>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:19:44 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>> Den 23.06.2018 13.52, skrev kenseto:
>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
>>>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
>>>>>> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
>>>>>> The centripetal force.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force.
>>>>
>>>> Ken, Ken, Ken ... :-)
>>>>
>>>> In which direction did you say Ralph is accelerating?
>>>> Is he going through the wall? :-D
>>>>
>>>> https://paulba.no/div/CentripetalAcc.pdf
>>>
>>> Yes, Ralph’s CF motion is trying to make him going through the wall and the wall is preventing him to do so. That’s the artificial gravity Ralph is experiencing.
>>>
>>
>> An analogy:
>> Ken is standing on the floor in a spaceship
>> in interstellar space. A rocket engine
>> is giving the spaceship an upwards (on the drawing)
>> acceleration a.
>>
>>      / \
>>     /   \
>>    |  O  |
>>    | /|\ |
>>    |  |  |
>>    | / \ |
>>    -------
>>       ^
>>       |
>>       F
>>
>> Explanation #1:
>> The floor is exerting a real upwards force on Ken,
>> giving Ken an upwards acceleration a in
>> accordance with Newton’s second law.
> 
> In this case the floor of the rocket initiated the movement so it exerts a real upward force on Ken. And Ken feels heavier due to the upward force of the floor.
> 
>>
>> Explanation #2:
>> A real downwards force is acting on Ken, giving Ken
>> a downwards acceleration towards the floor.
>> This acceleration is trying to make him go through
>> the floor and the floor is preventing him from doing so.
>> That’s the artificial gravity Ken is experiencing.
> 
> No Ken is not exerting a downward force on the floor.....Ken has no way of generating a downward force.
> 
>>
>> Question #1:
>> Which explanation is correct?
> 
> Explanation #1 is correct.
>>
>> Question #2:
>> What would an accelerometer show the
>> direction of the acceleration to be?
>> Upwards or downwards?
> 
> Upwards.
>>
>> Question #3
>> What would an accelerometer on the wall
>> of the rotating spaceship show the
>> direction of the acceleration to be?
>> Towards the wall, or towards the centre?
> 
> Toward the wall....the accelerometer will have a CF acceleration against the wall and that’s why it direction of acceleration is point outside the wall.
> 

So tell me this, Ken:

Is there any way Ralph in the spaceship (without throwing
his ball) can tell whether he is in a rotating ship, or in
a non rotating ship which is accelerating linearly upwards
as seen by Ralph (from the wall where Ralph is standing towards
the centre).
Ralph would feel exactly the same artificial gravitation
in both cases, so why is explanation #2 correct in the former
case, while explanation #1 is correct in the latter case?

I suppose a physicist like you know that an accelerometer
stationary on the ground in the real gravitation of the Earth
shows that the acceleration is upwards.
So why does the accelerometer behave differently for
the two cases of artificial gravitation when Ralph
can't feel the difference?

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


#462666

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2018-06-26 06:08 -0700
Message-ID<674ef480-6b5f-4d4e-8ef2-8c432f3b665c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#462608
On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 25.06.2018 20.27, skrev kenseto:
> > On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:22:17 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >> Den 24.06.2018 21.09, skrev kenseto:
> >>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:19:44 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>> Den 23.06.2018 13.52, skrev kenseto:
> >>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>>>> Den 22.06.2018 17.25, skrev kenseto:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 4:50:43 AM UTC-4, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://paulba.no/Spaceship.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ralph is travelling in his spaceship in interplanetary space on his way to Mars. The interior of the ship is cylindrical with  radius 10 metres. The ship is rotating with the angular velocity 1 radian per second, which >gives a centripetal acceleration of 10 m/s2 on the inner wall. So Ralph can walk around on the inner wall, always feeling that the gravitation is 1 g. Since there are no portholes in the ship, Ralph isn’t aware that the >spaceship is rotating; he thinks there is some form of artificial gravity made with Star Trek technology.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ralph is rotating with the ship and he is experiencing the CF force and this causes him to accelerate toward the wall and the wall is preventing him to accelerate further and that’s the artificial gravity he is experiencing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The only force that is acting on Ralph is the force
> >>>>>> from the wall pushing him toward the centre.
> >>>>>> The centripetal force.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, the wall is not moving so it can’t exert any CP force on Ralph. Ralph is in a state of CF accelerating motion toward the wall and the wall prevents him from going further and that’s the artificial gravity.  There is no CP force.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken, Ken, Ken ... :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> In which direction did you say Ralph is accelerating?
> >>>> Is he going through the wall? :-D
> >>>>
> >>>> https://paulba.no/div/CentripetalAcc.pdf
> >>>
> >>> Yes, Ralph’s CF motion is trying to make him going through the wall and the wall is preventing him to do so. That’s the artificial gravity Ralph is experiencing.
> >>>
> >>
> >> An analogy:
> >> Ken is standing on the floor in a spaceship
> >> in interstellar space. A rocket engine
> >> is giving the spaceship an upwards (on the drawing)
> >> acceleration a.
> >>
> >>      / \
> >>     /   \
> >>    |  O  |
> >>    | /|\ |
> >>    |  |  |
> >>    | / \ |
> >>    -------
> >>       ^
> >>       |
> >>       F
> >>
> >> Explanation #1:
> >> The floor is exerting a real upwards force on Ken,
> >> giving Ken an upwards acceleration a in
> >> accordance with Newton’s second law.
> > 
> > In this case the floor of the rocket initiated the movement so it exerts a real upward force on Ken. And Ken feels heavier due to the upward force of the floor.
> > 
> >>
> >> Explanation #2:
> >> A real downwards force is acting on Ken, giving Ken
> >> a downwards acceleration towards the floor.
> >> This acceleration is trying to make him go through
> >> the floor and the floor is preventing him from doing so.
> >> That’s the artificial gravity Ken is experiencing.
> > 
> > No Ken is not exerting a downward force on the floor.....Ken has no way of generating a downward force.
> > 
> >>
> >> Question #1:
> >> Which explanation is correct?
> > 
> > Explanation #1 is correct.
> >>
> >> Question #2:
> >> What would an accelerometer show the
> >> direction of the acceleration to be?
> >> Upwards or downwards?
> > 
> > Upwards.
> >>
> >> Question #3
> >> What would an accelerometer on the wall
> >> of the rotating spaceship show the
> >> direction of the acceleration to be?
> >> Towards the wall, or towards the centre?
> > 
> > Toward the wall....the accelerometer will have a CF acceleration against the wall and that’s why it direction of acceleration is point outside the wall.
> > 
> 
> So tell me this, Ken:
> 
> Is there any way Ralph in the spaceship (without throwing
> his ball) can tell whether he is in a rotating ship, or in
> a non rotating ship which is accelerating linearly upwards
> as seen by Ralph (from the wall where Ralph is standing towards
> the centre).

Yes, Ralph can tell that he is in a rotating spaceship because he can walk around in the ship and come back at the same point.
In a linearly upward acceleration Ralph can only feel the artificial gravity on the horizontal floor of the ship.

> Ralph would feel exactly the same artificial gravitation
> in both cases, so why is explanation #2 correct in the former
> case, while explanation #1 is correct in the latter case?

See above explanations.

> 
> I suppose a physicist like you know that an accelerometer
> stationary on the ground in the real gravitation of the Earth
> shows that the acceleration is upwards.

On earth, I feel the earth’s gravity because the earth and I are expanding in the same direction in the E-Matrix as the universe is expanding. This gives rise to an attractive EM force between the earth and I. That’s the artificial gravity between the earth and I.

> So why does the accelerometer behave differently for
> the two cases of artificial gravitation when Ralph
> can't feel the difference?

See above explanations.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]


Page 21 of 29 — ← Prev page 1 … 19 20 [21] 22 23 … 29  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | sci.physics.relativity


csiph-web