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Einstein's Relativity Theory

Started bynstefi@gmail.com
First post2018-05-17 08:41 -0700
Last post2018-05-29 20:21 +0200
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  Einstein's Relativity Theory nstefi@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 08:41 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 16:18 +0000
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-20 04:32 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 09:58 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:23 +0200
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 10:46 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-18 01:59 +0200
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-19 17:03 +0000
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-05-18 02:49 +0200
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-19 17:05 +0000
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:10 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 03:05 -0700
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-20 07:54 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 10:48 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 11:01 -0700
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "effectuationism@gmail.com" <effectuationism@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 12:45 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 20:08 +0000
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-20 14:58 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-21 09:22 +0000
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 12:10 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 16:08 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:08 -0700
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-22 21:13 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:26 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-22 21:40 +0000
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 14:35 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-22 21:49 +0000
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-22 21:51 +0000
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:05 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:06 -0700
                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:31 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 14:59 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:34 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:47 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-24 10:02 +0000
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 12:38 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-24 21:58 +0200
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 23:46 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-25 06:21 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-25 21:03 +0200
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 15:58 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 19:42 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 10:07 +0100
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 03:29 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 12:32 +0100
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 13:09 +0100
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-18 09:06 -0500
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-18 11:48 -0400
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-18 22:47 -0500
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-22 21:45 +0200
                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-22 19:29 -0500
                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-24 21:37 +0200
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 15:16 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-24 20:40 -0500
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-25 04:52 +0200
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 16:55 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-18 09:29 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 20:26 +0100
                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-18 14:18 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 07:03 +0100
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 23:34 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 13:33 +0100
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 06:10 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 06:31 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 18:50 +0100
                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 12:21 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 00:44 +0100
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 19:04 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 07:09 +0100
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 23:24 -0700
                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 10:46 +0100
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 18:40 +0100
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-19 05:52 -0700
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 18:33 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 12:05 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 14:57 -0700
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 17:22 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 23:51 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 18:22 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 02:32 -0700
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 08:19 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 09:26 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 10:34 -0700
                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 00:32 -0700
                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 00:43 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:51 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:34 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:01 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:25 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:15 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 05:44 -0700
                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-23 06:49 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 07:12 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-23 07:47 -0700
                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 08:15 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:02 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:11 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 16:55 +0000
                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:13 -0700
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:20 +0000
                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 09:20 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:12 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:22 -0700
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:42 -0700
                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 10:53 -0700
                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:32 -0700
                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:05 -0700
                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:53 -0700
                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 19:42 -0700
                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:26 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 05:54 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:57 +0000
                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 08:08 -0700
                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 17:23 +0000
                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 08:59 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 17:55 -0700
                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:52 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:57 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 09:01 -0700
                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 09:23 -0700
                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-25 10:17 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 11:33 -0700
                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-25 12:04 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 12:11 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 12:21 -0700
                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 13:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 16:46 -0700
                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 18:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 20:43 -0700
                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-25 21:14 -0700
                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 13:23 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 14:52 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 18:04 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 20:32 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-26 20:54 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 08:03 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-27 12:01 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 17:42 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-27 18:05 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 18:34 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-27 18:49 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 19:19 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 08:05 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 16:21 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:16 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:45 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 20:16 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 21:39 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 06:54 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 08:12 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 10:34 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 10:47 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 12:50 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 15:39 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 15:40 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 22:47 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 15:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 23:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 16:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-29 16:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 16:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-29 18:41 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 18:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-29 21:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Vaughn Fleck <guah@nhnw.nc> - 2018-05-30 20:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 00:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 18:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-29 18:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 03:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-29 23:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 06:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 22:44 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 07:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 15:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 13:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 02:51 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-30 22:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-31 10:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 07:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 08:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-30 07:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 14:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-31 07:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 14:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 07:43 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 15:34 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 13:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-31 07:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 17:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 18:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 19:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-31 07:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 09:15 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-29 16:47 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 16:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-29 17:31 -0700
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                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 23:02 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 07:56 -0700
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                                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 13:24 -0700
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                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-30 14:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-30 14:51 -0700
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                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 03:13 +0100
                                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 00:46 -0700
                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 12:47 -0700
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                                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 05:44 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 06:23 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 06:42 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-26 09:10 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 09:33 -0700
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                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 17:19 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 18:00 -0700
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                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:01 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 19:56 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 21:16 -0700
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                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-25 21:40 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-25 17:01 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 02:56 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-26 10:00 +0000
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 13:06 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-26 13:19 -0700
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 13:27 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 16:01 -0700
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-26 18:57 -0500
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 17:59 -0700
                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-26 20:59 -0700
                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 08:10 -0700
                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 11:21 -0700
                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 17:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 18:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 18:40 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 19:28 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 00:48 -0700
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                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:39 -0700
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                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 18:21 +0100
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:43 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:49 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:25 +0000
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    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 08:28 +0100
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 02:36 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-18 14:55 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory paul jark <jarkpaulsmith@gmail.com> - 2018-05-19 13:37 -0700
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            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 18:24 +0000
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 14:40 +0000
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                                                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-23 13:00 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 20:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-23 21:24 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 22:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-23 22:12 -0700
                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-23 22:22 -0700
                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 00:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 13:10 +0000
                                                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 06:56 -0700
                                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-24 17:23 +0000
                                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-24 12:32 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 18:48 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-23 21:21 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 22:06 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:28 +0100
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-22 02:07 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 19:30 +0100
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-22 12:20 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-23 02:06 +0200
                                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-22 21:48 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-23 12:37 +0200
                                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-23 03:52 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-23 13:08 +0200
                                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-23 04:15 -0700
                                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-23 13:18 +0200
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-20 09:30 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 10:08 -0700
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 18:36 +0000
              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-20 13:04 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 16:33 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 16:38 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-20 17:14 -0700
                    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 09:39 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 10:17 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-22 05:10 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-22 05:21 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 05:46 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-22 05:50 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-22 08:50 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:24 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 09:56 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-22 10:14 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:22 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 17:36 +0000
                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:00 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-22 11:00 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-22 10:59 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 11:11 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:25 +0000
                              Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-22 13:02 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-05-20 17:27 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-21 01:23 +0000
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-20 13:55 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-20 14:03 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-20 04:37 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-20 06:55 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 07:55 -0700
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-20 08:55 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 09:13 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-20 09:59 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory DESMOND DAVID CLAY <desmondclaydavid677live@gmail.com> - 2018-05-20 08:18 -0700
    Einstein's Relativity Theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-20 17:04 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-28 21:51 -0700
      Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 09:31 -0700
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 09:36 -0700
          Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 10:26 -0700
        Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-05-29 10:58 -0700
    Re: Einstein's Relativity Theory Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-29 20:21 +0200

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#459468

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-05-27 08:14 -0700
Message-ID<4e631b42-0635-4724-8dd5-9b3b163dcea5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459459
On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> experiments. 


Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
of an acceptable error.

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#459472

FromSteven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-27 08:33 -0700
Message-ID<0b2703d3-d21c-44da-8874-e5e48b74acf6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459468
On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> > be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> > experiments. 
> 
> 
> Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
> of an acceptable error.
Where can you check that? Wouldn't be that acceptable error resulting from the fact that the speed of satellites can be ignored compared to the speed of light?

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#459479

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-05-27 09:38 -0700
Message-ID<bc8cdf86-eafd-420e-a7f5-fadc0388d574@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459472
On Sunday, 27 May 2018 17:33:38 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > > Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> > > be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> > > experiments. 
> > 
> > 
> > Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
> > of an acceptable error.
> Where can you check that? 

Search for "GPS time".

> Wouldn't be that acceptable error resulting from the fact that the speed of satellites can be ignored compared to the speed of light?

No.

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#459540

FromSteven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-27 16:37 -0700
Message-ID<a1f59769-5a82-4575-a093-f8c03d7885d6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459479
On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> On Sunday, 27 May 2018 17:33:38 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > > > Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> > > > be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> > > > experiments. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
> > > of an acceptable error.
> > Where can you check that? 
> 
> Search for "GPS time".
I searched for this and I found this web page:
http://www.oc.nps.edu/oc2902w/gps/timsys.html
I'm not sure if you talked about the same thing, but it's interesting how it shows that UTC time needs to be adjusted every year with 1 second, and it says "The world does not rotate smoothly".

> > Wouldn't be that acceptable error resulting from the fact that the speed of satellites can be ignored compared to the speed of light?
> 
> No.

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#459589

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-05-28 08:36 -0700
Message-ID<21bd800a-72fe-4e79-b91d-e86694007272@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459540
On Monday, 28 May 2018 01:37:44 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 17:33:38 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > > > > Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> > > > > be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> > > > > experiments. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
> > > > of an acceptable error.
> > > Where can you check that? 
> > 
> > Search for "GPS time".
> I searched for this and I found this web page:
> http://www.oc.nps.edu/oc2902w/gps/timsys.html
> I'm not sure if you talked about the same thing, but it's interesting how it shows that UTC time needs to be adjusted every year with 1 second, and it says "The world does not rotate smoothly".

There are a lot of interesting things about time,
but one thing is sure: every serious standard of
time (UTC,TAI, GPS, ECI) assumes clocks indicating
t'=t with a precision of an acceptable error),
i.e. galilean transform.

"local time", this incredibly ingenious revolutionary
concept of our beloved Great Guru - practically doesn't
exist. SI standard, designed especially to protect 
The Shit against common sense and force us to apply
this idiocy - is dead. Of course - standards of the
real world are set by common sense, this collection of 
prejudices. They always were.
But a bunch of fanatic followers of The Shit is continuing
to enchant the reality and pretend that clocks DIRECTLY
INDICATING galilean transform confirm their precious time
dilation.

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#459592

FromSteven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-28 09:26 -0700
Message-ID<f50f7c17-57c0-4492-bd9d-84b516c1d8b3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459589
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:36:08 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> On Monday, 28 May 2018 01:37:44 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 17:33:38 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > > > > > Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> > > > > > be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> > > > > > experiments. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
> > > > > of an acceptable error.
> > > > Where can you check that? 
> > > 
> > > Search for "GPS time".
> > I searched for this and I found this web page:
> > http://www.oc.nps.edu/oc2902w/gps/timsys.html
> > I'm not sure if you talked about the same thing, but it's interesting how it shows that UTC time needs to be adjusted every year with 1 second, and it says "The world does not rotate smoothly".
> 
> There are a lot of interesting things about time,
> but one thing is sure: every serious standard of
> time (UTC,TAI, GPS, ECI) assumes clocks indicating
> t'=t with a precision of an acceptable error),
> i.e. galilean transform.
> 
> "local time", this incredibly ingenious revolutionary
> concept of our beloved Great Guru - practically doesn't
> exist. SI standard, designed especially to protect 
> The Shit against common sense and force us to apply
> this idiocy - is dead. Of course - standards of the
> real world are set by common sense, this collection of 
> prejudices. They always were.
> But a bunch of fanatic followers of The Shit is continuing
> to enchant the reality and pretend that clocks DIRECTLY
> INDICATING galilean transform confirm their precious time
> dilation.

Thanks. At least I found someone else from the same universe :)
I have watched a few movies by Michio Kaku. They are really fascinating, but it's like watching science-fiction movies which are mostly fiction than science.

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#459594

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-05-28 09:42 -0700
Message-ID<0a256828-dc46-4189-9a1b-3ebe181f618d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459592
On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 9:26:41 AM UTC-7, Steven Nagy wrote:
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 11:36:08 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > On Monday, 28 May 2018 01:37:44 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 12:38:05 PM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 17:33:38 UTC+2, Steven Nagy  wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > > > > > > Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
> > > > > > > be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
> > > > > > > experiments. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
> > > > > > of an acceptable error.
> > > > > Where can you check that? 
> > > > 
> > > > Search for "GPS time".
> > > I searched for this and I found this web page:
> > > http://www.oc.nps.edu/oc2902w/gps/timsys.html
> > > I'm not sure if you talked about the same thing, but it's interesting how it shows that UTC time needs to be adjusted every year with 1 second, and it says "The world does not rotate smoothly".
> > 
> > There are a lot of interesting things about time,
> > but one thing is sure: every serious standard of
> > time (UTC,TAI, GPS, ECI) assumes clocks indicating
> > t'=t with a precision of an acceptable error),
> > i.e. galilean transform.
> > 
> > "local time", this incredibly ingenious revolutionary
> > concept of our beloved Great Guru - practically doesn't
> > exist. SI standard, designed especially to protect 
> > The Shit against common sense and force us to apply
> > this idiocy - is dead. Of course - standards of the
> > real world are set by common sense, this collection of 
> > prejudices. They always were.
> > But a bunch of fanatic followers of The Shit is continuing
> > to enchant the reality and pretend that clocks DIRECTLY
> > INDICATING galilean transform confirm their precious time
> > dilation.
> 
> Thanks. At least I found someone else from the same universe :)


Yes, you are a kindred soul with the most hardened crank in this forum. Birds of a feather....

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#459489

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-27 18:00 +0000
Message-ID<peerom$1eci$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#459472
Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 11:14:07 AM UTC-4, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
>> On Sunday, 27 May 2018 15:40:45 UTC+2, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>> Which is precisely why relativity is not proven by gedankens — that would
>>> be circular reasoning. Instead, the evidence comes from REAL data in REAL
>>> experiments. 
>> 
>> 
>> Which, as anyone can check at GPS, is - t'=t with the precision
>> of an acceptable error.
> Where can you check that? Wouldn't be that acceptable error resulting
> from the fact that the speed of satellites can be ignored compared to the speed of light?
> 

But it’s NOT an ignorable speed given the precision of the clocks. That’s
the point. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#459325

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2018-05-25 20:52 -0700
Message-ID<bce58622-a7cb-4d42-a227-2928ec09f902@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459314
El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 19:47:00 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:10:49 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> > > > El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 14:33:36 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> > > > 
> > > > > Yes, this is all from the perspective of M.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So now if you switch to a co-ordinate system that is fixed to M' (because he also thinks he is stationary, right?), then how would your equations look like?
> > > > 
> > > > > So we only proved that it depends which perspective are you watching from.
> > > > 
> > > > Which is exactly the point of the gedanken!!!!
> > > So I thought Einstein said that on the train M' would see the lights not simultaneous. 
> > 
> > Train M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> > 
> > > But I see that you agree with me on that only M thinks of M' that he sees the lights not simultaneous, but actually both of them seeing the light simultaneous, 
> > 
> > WRONG. M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> As you see above Paparios already agreed on this with me above. It’s all completely symmetric and from point of view of M’, he sees the flashes simultaneous.
> 
What Einstein says (http://www.bartleby.com/173/9.html) is:

"Events which are simultaneous with reference to the embankment are not
simultaneous with respect to the train, and vice versa (relativity of
simultaneity). Every reference-body (co-ordinate system) has its own particular
time; unless we are told the reference-body to which the statement of time
refers, there is no meaning in a statement of the time of an event."

This means that having the train moving at speed v with respect to the
embankment is the same as having the embankment moving at speed -v with respect
to the train and in both cases the relativity of simultaneity holds true.

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#459335

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-05-25 21:41 -0700
Message-ID<5cceb872-681b-4655-8710-5bc02deea838@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459325
On Saturday, 26 May 2018 05:52:32 UTC+2, Paparios  wrote:
> El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 19:47:00 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:10:49 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> > > > > El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 14:33:36 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, this is all from the perspective of M.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So now if you switch to a co-ordinate system that is fixed to M' (because he also thinks he is stationary, right?), then how would your equations look like?
> > > > > 
> > > > > > So we only proved that it depends which perspective are you watching from.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which is exactly the point of the gedanken!!!!
> > > > So I thought Einstein said that on the train M' would see the lights not simultaneous. 
> > > 
> > > Train M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> > > 
> > > > But I see that you agree with me on that only M thinks of M' that he sees the lights not simultaneous, but actually both of them seeing the light simultaneous, 
> > > 
> > > WRONG. M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> > As you see above Paparios already agreed on this with me above. It’s all completely symmetric and from point of view of M’, he sees the flashes simultaneous.
> > 
> What Einstein says (http://www.bartleby.com/173/9.html) is:
> 
> "Events which are simultaneous with reference to the embankment are not
> simultaneous with respect to the train, and vice versa (relativity of
> simultaneity). Every reference-body (co-ordinate system) has its own particular
> time

Fortunately, we have GPS now to check that delusions of 
your idiot guru have nothing in common with the reality.

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#459336

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-05-25 21:56 -0700
Message-ID<e978e42a-0e92-4a37-9090-10d9fec14661@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459335
You guys are Lost. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13MqKhoH2sounBmfL4tzJRGYK3wxv9E9rUfYyoMyTLzY

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#459413

FromSteven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-26 13:02 -0700
Message-ID<c71fb3ba-ec56-457b-91c7-47a6e5234b2c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459325
On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 11:52:32 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 19:47:00 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:10:49 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> > > > > El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 14:33:36 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, this is all from the perspective of M.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So now if you switch to a co-ordinate system that is fixed to M' (because he also thinks he is stationary, right?), then how would your equations look like?
> > > > > 
> > > > > > So we only proved that it depends which perspective are you watching from.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which is exactly the point of the gedanken!!!!
> > > > So I thought Einstein said that on the train M' would see the lights not simultaneous. 
> > > 
> > > Train M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> > > 
> > > > But I see that you agree with me on that only M thinks of M' that he sees the lights not simultaneous, but actually both of them seeing the light simultaneous, 
> > > 
> > > WRONG. M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> > As you see above Paparios already agreed on this with me above. It’s all completely symmetric and from point of view of M’, he sees the flashes simultaneous.
> > 
> What Einstein says (http://www.bartleby.com/173/9.html) is:
> 
> "Events which are simultaneous with reference to the embankment are not
> simultaneous with respect to the train, and vice versa (relativity of
> simultaneity). Every reference-body (co-ordinate system) has its own particular
> time; unless we are told the reference-body to which the statement of time
> refers, there is no meaning in a statement of the time of an event."
This is only true if the 2 lightnings are happening further away from the train, A and A' don't overlap at the time of lightning, and same with B and B', not overlapping at the time of lightning.
Then yes, M' would not see those in the same time. But that's easy to calculate, and M' is not in the middle by the time the lights reach to him.

> 
> This means that having the train moving at speed v with respect to the
> embankment is the same as having the embankment moving at speed -v with respect
> to the train and in both cases the relativity of simultaneity holds true.

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#459372

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-26 15:27 +0000
Message-ID<pebudh$oof$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#459314
Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:10:49 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
>>>> El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 14:33:36 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, this is all from the perspective of M.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So now if you switch to a co-ordinate system that is fixed to M'
>>>>> (because he also thinks he is stationary, right?), then how would
>>>>> your equations look like?
>>>> 
>>>>> So we only proved that it depends which perspective are you watching from.
>>>> 
>>>> Which is exactly the point of the gedanken!!!!
>>> So I thought Einstein said that on the train M' would see the lights not simultaneous. 
>> 
>> Train M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
>> 
>>> But I see that you agree with me on that only M thinks of M' that he
>>> sees the lights not simultaneous, but actually both of them seeing the
>>> light simultaneous, 
>> 
>> WRONG. M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> As you see above Paparios already agreed on this with me above. It’s all
> completely symmetric and from point of view of M’, he sees the flashes simultaneous.

Be careful. It is symmetric. That doesn’t mean they see the same thing. 
What is means is that for a pair of events that M determined to be
simultaneous, M’ will determine those events to be nonsimultaneous; and for
another pair of events that M’ determined to be simultaneous, M will
determine those events to be nonsimultaneous. 

> 
>> If M trained a telescope on M', he will see one side of (M')'s face
>> being illuminated before the other.
>> M' will perceive one side being illuminated before the other.
> Yes, right, but this is M’s perspective (perspective of M not M’)
> We already talked about this.
> 
>> M will see the flashes as being simultaneous.
>> If M' trained a telescope on M, he will see both sides of (M)'s face
>> being illuminated at the same time.
> No, this is very similar how you look from (M)’s perspective. Both of
> them see the other one as not simultaneous, but they always see the lights as simultaneous.
> 
>> M will perceive both sides of his face being illuminated at the same time.
> Yes, that’s (M)’s perception about his own face.
> 
>> Relativity of simultaneity CANNOT CAUSE THESE ELEMENTS OF REALITY TO CHANGE.
>> 
>>> only they think (because they measure) that the other person would not
>>> see the lights simultaneous.
>> 
>>> So I heard that Einstein also said that a twin brother who is doing space travel
>> 
>> *** YOU ARE NOT READY TO TACKLE THE TWIN PARADOX ***
>> *** YOU ARE NOT READY TO DISCUSS RELATIVISTIC MASS ***
>> *** YOUR POSTS ARE FILLED WITH MISCONCEPTIONS ***   
>> *** YOU HAVE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD THE MOST BASIC OF BASICS ***       
> You guys are directing me to learn about theories that are unrelated.

That’s really not true. They ARE related. That’s the point. 

> How are Maxwell's equations related to this for example? Those are all
> about magnetic waves, electric flux, induced magnetic waves and induced
> electric current. I have learned about those in school, and refreshed my
> memories, but how are those related?
> 
>>> would age differently then his brother on Earth. So according to this,
>>> the brother who is on Earth would think (and based on these
>>> measurements) that his brother would age differently, but in reality he
>>> would not. And when his brother returns, they would see that they both have the same age.
>>> I also did some research in the meantime and I found a lot of people
>>> not agreeing with Einstein's theories.
>>> Here is a Youtube example:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-61TFsGCA
>>> He says that a scientist who works at a particle accelerator said that
>>> there is no mass increase when they accelerate the particles, and
>>> according to Einstein's theories there would be a mass increase.
>>> 
>>> So you could say that the theory of relativity is only an optical
>>> illusion, and both guys actually see the light in the same time.
>>> 
>>> I think I already proved my point many times in this thread.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> M' now onsiders itself as stationary and M is moving at speed -v
>>>> 
>>>> Then M' sees the light fronts to be simultaneous.
>>>> M sees first the light front coming from A and later the light front coming from B.
>>>> 
>>>> Both points of view are a proof of the relativity of simultaneity.
> 
> 



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#459406

FromSteven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-26 12:33 -0700
Message-ID<8efb4528-8549-45ed-b244-e0758cbe95c6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459372
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:27:48 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:10:49 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> >> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
> >>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
> >>>> El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 14:33:36 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Yes, this is all from the perspective of M.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> So now if you switch to a co-ordinate system that is fixed to M'
> >>>>> (because he also thinks he is stationary, right?), then how would
> >>>>> your equations look like?
> >>>> 
> >>>>> So we only proved that it depends which perspective are you watching from.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Which is exactly the point of the gedanken!!!!
> >>> So I thought Einstein said that on the train M' would see the lights not simultaneous. 
> >> 
> >> Train M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> >> 
> >>> But I see that you agree with me on that only M thinks of M' that he
> >>> sees the lights not simultaneous, but actually both of them seeing the
> >>> light simultaneous, 
> >> 
> >> WRONG. M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> > As you see above Paparios already agreed on this with me above. It’s all
> > completely symmetric and from point of view of M’, he sees the flashes simultaneous.
> 
> Be careful. It is symmetric. That doesn’t mean they see the same thing.
Yes, if it’s absolutely symmetric, that means they would absolutely see the same thing.
Let’s assume there are 2 very same looking trains instead of the embarkment and the train.
In Einstein’s experiment M’ can tell the difference, because he sees the ground moving, trees moving etc.
But if we have 2 exactly same looking trains moving and spark happens at their end when they are parallel, both M sitting in the 1st train and M’ sitting in the 2nd train would see the exact same thing.

This is a contradiction for you if you expect M seeing simultaneous flashes and M’ not simultaneous:
In that case M would think he is absolutely fix compared to anything moving around him, and anyone sitting on moving object would accept that he is absolutely fix. There is no absolute fix point in the Universe.
Only M would think that he is in the center of the Universe, and everyone else around him would accept that.
The truth is that everyone around him, on another planet moving compared to him could say the same thing.
M can expect some aliens to come and call him primitive, because he thinks that he is in the center of the Universe. Thanks to Einstein’s theory of relativity.

> What is means is that for a pair of events that M determined to be
> simultaneous, M’ will determine those events to be nonsimultaneous;
It is not what M’ determines. It’s what M determines about M’, thinking that he would see it that way, but that’s false.

> and for another pair of events that M’ determined to be simultaneous, M will determine those events to be nonsimultaneous.

No, again, because of the absolutely symmetric experiment, this is only what M’ determines about M, not M himself.

> 
> > 
> >> If M trained a telescope on M', he will see one side of (M')'s face
> >> being illuminated before the other.
> >> M' will perceive one side being illuminated before the other.
> > Yes, right, but this is M’s perspective (perspective of M not M’)
> > We already talked about this.
> > 
> >> M will see the flashes as being simultaneous.
> >> If M' trained a telescope on M, he will see both sides of (M)'s face
> >> being illuminated at the same time.
> > No, this is very similar how you look from (M)’s perspective. Both of
> > them see the other one as not simultaneous, but they always see the lights as simultaneous.
> > 
> >> M will perceive both sides of his face being illuminated at the same time.
> > Yes, that’s (M)’s perception about his own face.
> > 
> >> Relativity of simultaneity CANNOT CAUSE THESE ELEMENTS OF REALITY TO CHANGE.
> >> 
> >>> only they think (because they measure) that the other person would not
> >>> see the lights simultaneous.
> >> 
> >>> So I heard that Einstein also said that a twin brother who is doing space travel
> >> 
> >> *** YOU ARE NOT READY TO TACKLE THE TWIN PARADOX ***
> >> *** YOU ARE NOT READY TO DISCUSS RELATIVISTIC MASS ***
> >> *** YOUR POSTS ARE FILLED WITH MISCONCEPTIONS ***   
> >> *** YOU HAVE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD THE MOST BASIC OF BASICS ***       
> > You guys are directing me to learn about theories that are unrelated.
> 
> That’s really not true. They ARE related. That’s the point. 
> 
> > How are Maxwell's equations related to this for example? Those are all
> > about magnetic waves, electric flux, induced magnetic waves and induced
> > electric current. I have learned about those in school, and refreshed my
> > memories, but how are those related?
> > 
> >>> would age differently then his brother on Earth. So according to this,
> >>> the brother who is on Earth would think (and based on these
> >>> measurements) that his brother would age differently, but in reality he
> >>> would not. And when his brother returns, they would see that they both have the same age.
> >>> I also did some research in the meantime and I found a lot of people
> >>> not agreeing with Einstein's theories.
> >>> Here is a Youtube example:
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-61TFsGCA
> >>> He says that a scientist who works at a particle accelerator said that
> >>> there is no mass increase when they accelerate the particles, and
> >>> according to Einstein's theories there would be a mass increase.
> >>> 
> >>> So you could say that the theory of relativity is only an optical
> >>> illusion, and both guys actually see the light in the same time.
> >>> 
> >>> I think I already proved my point many times in this thread.
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> M' now onsiders itself as stationary and M is moving at speed -v
> >>>> 
> >>>> Then M' sees the light fronts to be simultaneous.
> >>>> M sees first the light front coming from A and later the light front coming from B.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Both points of view are a proof of the relativity of simultaneity.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#459457

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-27 13:40 +0000
Message-ID<peecgm$l9i$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#459406
Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:27:48 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Steven Nagy <nstefi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:10:49 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>>>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote:
>>>>>> El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 14:33:36 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, this is all from the perspective of M.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So now if you switch to a co-ordinate system that is fixed to M'
>>>>>>> (because he also thinks he is stationary, right?), then how would
>>>>>>> your equations look like?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So we only proved that it depends which perspective are you watching from.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which is exactly the point of the gedanken!!!!
>>>>> So I thought Einstein said that on the train M' would see the lights not simultaneous. 
>>>> 
>>>> Train M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
>>>> 
>>>>> But I see that you agree with me on that only M thinks of M' that he
>>>>> sees the lights not simultaneous, but actually both of them seeing the
>>>>> light simultaneous, 
>>>> 
>>>> WRONG. M' will not see the flashes as being simultaneous.
>>> As you see above Paparios already agreed on this with me above. It’s all
>>> completely symmetric and from point of view of M’, he sees the flashes simultaneous.
>> 
>> Be careful. It is symmetric. That doesn’t mean they see the same thing.
> Yes, if it’s absolutely symmetric, that means they would absolutely see the same thing.

Well perhaps that’s YOUR expectation for what symmetry would mean. I’ve
just told you what it means for those who understand the gedanken. 

> Let’s assume there are 2 very same looking trains instead of the embarkment and the train.
> In Einstein’s experiment M’ can tell the difference, because he sees the
> ground moving, trees moving etc.

And again, that means nothing other than there is a catalog of objects that
are at rest relative to M and a different catalog of objects that are at
rest relative to M’. If that’s distracting to you, then strip away all of
those extranea, reducing it to two open platforms passing each other in
empty space. And again remember that symmetry even in that case does not
mean they see the same two events the same way. 

> But if we have 2 exactly same looking trains moving and spark happens at
> their end when they are parallel, both M sitting in the 1st train and M’
> sitting in the 2nd train would see the exact same thing.
> 
> This is a contradiction for you if you expect M seeing simultaneous
> flashes and M’ not simultaneous:
> In that case M would think he is absolutely fix compared to anything
> moving around him, and anyone sitting on moving object would accept that
> he is absolutely fix. There is no absolute fix point in the Universe.
> Only M would think that he is in the center of the Universe, and everyone
> else around him would accept that.
> The truth is that everyone around him, on another planet moving compared
> to him could say the same thing.
> M can expect some aliens to come and call him primitive, because he
> thinks that he is in the center of the Universe. Thanks to Einstein’s theory of relativity.
> 
>> What is means is that for a pair of events that M determined to be
>> simultaneous, M’ will determine those events to be nonsimultaneous;
> It is not what M’ determines. It’s what M determines about M’, thinking
> that he would see it that way, but that’s false.
> 
>> and for another pair of events that M’ determined to be simultaneous, M
>> will determine those events to be nonsimultaneous.
> 
> No, again, because of the absolutely symmetric experiment, this is only
> what M’ determines about M, not M himself.
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> If M trained a telescope on M', he will see one side of (M')'s face
>>>> being illuminated before the other.
>>>> M' will perceive one side being illuminated before the other.
>>> Yes, right, but this is M’s perspective (perspective of M not M’)
>>> We already talked about this.
>>> 
>>>> M will see the flashes as being simultaneous.
>>>> If M' trained a telescope on M, he will see both sides of (M)'s face
>>>> being illuminated at the same time.
>>> No, this is very similar how you look from (M)’s perspective. Both of
>>> them see the other one as not simultaneous, but they always see the
>>> lights as simultaneous.
>>> 
>>>> M will perceive both sides of his face being illuminated at the same time.
>>> Yes, that’s (M)’s perception about his own face.
>>> 
>>>> Relativity of simultaneity CANNOT CAUSE THESE ELEMENTS OF REALITY TO CHANGE.
>>>> 
>>>>> only they think (because they measure) that the other person would not
>>>>> see the lights simultaneous.
>>>> 
>>>>> So I heard that Einstein also said that a twin brother who is doing space travel
>>>> 
>>>> *** YOU ARE NOT READY TO TACKLE THE TWIN PARADOX ***
>>>> *** YOU ARE NOT READY TO DISCUSS RELATIVISTIC MASS ***
>>>> *** YOUR POSTS ARE FILLED WITH MISCONCEPTIONS ***   
>>>> *** YOU HAVE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD THE MOST BASIC OF BASICS ***       
>>> You guys are directing me to learn about theories that are unrelated.
>> 
>> That’s really not true. They ARE related. That’s the point. 
>> 
>>> How are Maxwell's equations related to this for example? Those are all
>>> about magnetic waves, electric flux, induced magnetic waves and induced
>>> electric current. I have learned about those in school, and refreshed my
>>> memories, but how are those related?
>>> 
>>>>> would age differently then his brother on Earth. So according to this,
>>>>> the brother who is on Earth would think (and based on these
>>>>> measurements) that his brother would age differently, but in reality he
>>>>> would not. And when his brother returns, they would see that they
>>>>> both have the same age.
>>>>> I also did some research in the meantime and I found a lot of people
>>>>> not agreeing with Einstein's theories.
>>>>> Here is a Youtube example:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-61TFsGCA
>>>>> He says that a scientist who works at a particle accelerator said that
>>>>> there is no mass increase when they accelerate the particles, and
>>>>> according to Einstein's theories there would be a mass increase.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So you could say that the theory of relativity is only an optical
>>>>> illusion, and both guys actually see the light in the same time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think I already proved my point many times in this thread.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> M' now onsiders itself as stationary and M is moving at speed -v
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then M' sees the light fronts to be simultaneous.
>>>>>> M sees first the light front coming from A and later the light front coming from B.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Both points of view are a proof of the relativity of simultaneity.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 



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#459279

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-05-25 12:09 -0700
Message-ID<10648cd5-d043-49fb-899b-81fcc28cd724@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459259
On Friday, 25 May 2018 19:17:22 UTC+2, Paparios  wrote:
> El viernes, 25 de mayo de 2018, 12:01:19 (UTC-4), Steven Nagy  escribió:
> > On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:59:03 AM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 7:54:43 AM UTC-5, Steven Nagy wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 11:26:16 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > that makes him seeing the sparks in an angle (one of the rod has a speed relative to him, so that shifts away)
> > > > > 
> > > > > No. The rods are 150,000 km long. The angle is totally negligible.
> > > > > The sparks are for all practical purposes at right angles.
> > > > OK, if you consider AB and A'B' overlapped in exactly same line, M would see the light stretched out within the same line, not an angle. (Originally I imagined that there is a space between AB and A'B', and they are parallel).
> > > 
> > > Remember the conditions of this version of the thought experiment.
> > > 
> > >       |----------M'---------|
> > >      A/A'                  B/B'   
> > >       |----------M----------|
> > > 
> > > A and A' are the exact same sparks.
> > > B and B' are the exact same sparks.
> > > 
> > > > OK, I think you are right, M would see the sparks straight, because he sees a past image, but at that time, the position of B'B would be in an angle, and same with A'A.
> > > 
> > > What in heck is this "angle" that you are talking about?
> > > With the rods 150,000 km long, the angle between A/A' and M is a right angle.
> > > Likewise, the angle between A/A' and M' is a right angle.
> > > Likewise, the angle between B/B' and M is a right angle.
> > > Likewise, the angle between B/B' and M' is a right angle.
> > As I thought about this a little more, I realized that what M sees is an image from the past, when A/A' and B/B' were in a right angle, but the light would reach to him when those were shifted. So he sees the spark perpendicular, but also he sees the spark from A in a different time than the spark from A', also the spark from B in a different time than the spark from B', so he would see moving sparks instead.
> > This is what M would see:
> > Spark starting from A' (same time when he sees the end of rod there), moving perpendicular to A (in the same time, seeing the rod moving to the right), and exactly in the same time when the spark reaches A, he sees another spark starting from B moving towards B'. When the spark reaches B', he also sees the end of the rod there. Since A' already moved to the right, and B' just arrived, he would see the rods that M' carrying shorten then his ones.
> > I created a little animation and uploaded to giphy, a GIF animation site here:
> > https://giphy.com/gifs/dgaxyWsU7e5G8VwWVu/fullscreen
> > 
> > M' would also see similar things, it's like rotated 180 degrees:
> > Starting spark from B to B', and when it reaches B', also seeing starting from A' to A. And seeing the matching end of the rods in the same place when he sees the sparks there. So he also sees the length of the rods from M shorter than his ones.
> > 
> > So the result is that the lights from A and B reach M in the same time, and the lights from A' and B' reach M' in the same time.
> 
> What a total load of crap!!!
> 
> Just read and review the figure of  http://www.bartleby.com/173/9.html , which
> I copy below (in text format)
> 
>  A                     B
>  |----------M'---------> v (train)
>  |                     |   
>  |----------M----------| x (embankment)
>  A                     B
> 
> There are some movement equations that should clarify what happens:


And they are obviously right, as idiot has written them.

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#459037

FromKeith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-24 08:22 +0100
Message-ID<2LtNC.329641$pC1.91133@fx07.am4>
In reply to#459020
On 24/05/2018 03:42, Steven Nagy wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 4:53:18 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:

>> Light moves 30 centimeters per nanosecond.
>> Light meets in the middle after 0.5 seconds.
>> In 0.5 seconds, M' has moved to the right 5 cm.
>> Light from the right spark has 5 cm less to go to meet M'.

Light from the right spark travels at c-v when view from M,
because the medium in the front of the compartment moves away from M.

>> Light from the left spark has 5 cm more to go to meet M'.

Light from the right spark travels at c+v when viewed from M,
because the medium at the rear of the compartment moves towards M.

>> On the other hand, M receives light from both sparks at the same instant.

And so indeed does M'

> But M' also receives the light from both sparks at the same time (from the end of his rod, since they are same distance from him, and light travels with speed c towards him from both ends).

Right

> So the conclusions from this experiment:
> - Both M and M' see the lights from the 2 ends of the rods in the same time.

Right

> - M sees light shining on one side of M' earlier than on the other side of M'

NO! The change in distance traveled when viewing from one
frame to the other is exactly cancelled by the change in speed.

      Simultaneous in one frame is simultaneous in all frames.


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#459043

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2018-05-24 04:10 -0700
Message-ID<38846d40-d39e-4402-84b2-b44bf312e7a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459037
On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 1:22:40 AM UTC-6, Keith Stein wrote:
>
> On 24/05/2018 03:42, Steven Nagy wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 4:53:18 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > >
> > > Light moves 30 centimeters per nanosecond.
> > > Light meets in the middle after 0.5 seconds.
> > > In 0.5 seconds, M' has moved to the right 5 cm.
> > > Light from the right spark has 5 cm less to go to meet M'.
> 
> Light from the right spark travels at c-v when view from M,
> because the medium in the front of the compartment moves away from M.
> 
> >> Light from the left spark has 5 cm more to go to meet M'.
> 
> Light from the right spark travels at c+v when viewed from M,

Unsubstantiated assertion refuted by experimental evidence.

> because the medium at the rear of the compartment moves towards M.

The Fizeau-type experiments disprove that to be c +/- v.  You've been
shown this so why are you still bloviating nonsense?

> > > On the other hand, M receives light from both sparks at the same
> > > instant.
> 
> And so indeed does M'

So you believe M' can both receive the light simultaneously and non-
simultaneously?  You are REALLY weird!

> > But M' also receives the light from both sparks at the same time
> > (from the end of his rod, since they are same distance from him,
> > and light travels with speed c towards him from both ends).

Only if you pretend they struck simultaneously in the frame in which M'
is stationary.  This is an unsubstantiated assumption.

> Right

Wrong.

> > So the conclusions from this experiment:
> > - Both M and M' see the lights from the 2 ends of the rods in the
> > same time.

Incorrect assumptions lead to incorrect conclusions.

> Right

Wrong.

> > - M sees light shining on one side of M' earlier than on the other
> > side of M'

Yes.

> NO!

Wrong again, Stein.  Even Fizeau knew better than that.

> The change in distance traveled when viewing from one frame to the other
> is exactly cancelled by the change in speed.

Assertions are not evidence.  NASA's experience with space probes confirm
that the effect of the "medium" in the solar system is too thin to have
any noticeable effect on the speed of light.  The LLR experiments also
confirm this.

>       Simultaneous in one frame is simultaneous in all frames.

Directly contradicted by experimental evidence.

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#459044

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-05-24 04:39 -0700
Message-ID<88812bd4-8a2c-4f58-8a81-4c3125e7e894@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#459043
On Thursday, 24 May 2018 13:10:40 UTC+2, Gary Harnagel  wrote:
> On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 1:22:40 AM UTC-6, Keith Stein wrote:
> >
> > On 24/05/2018 03:42, Steven Nagy wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 4:53:18 PM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Light moves 30 centimeters per nanosecond.
> > > > Light meets in the middle after 0.5 seconds.
> > > > In 0.5 seconds, M' has moved to the right 5 cm.
> > > > Light from the right spark has 5 cm less to go to meet M'.
> > 
> > Light from the right spark travels at c-v when view from M,
> > because the medium in the front of the compartment moves away from M.
> > 
> > >> Light from the left spark has 5 cm more to go to meet M'.
> > 
> > Light from the right spark travels at c+v when viewed from M,
> 
> Unsubstantiated assertion refuted by experimental evidence.

Experimental evidence imagined by a fanatic idiot.

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#459048

FromOslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th>
Date2018-05-24 12:03 +0000
Message-ID<pe69mu$1ake$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#459044
mlwozniak wrote:

> On Thursday, 24 May 2018 13:10:40 UTC+2, Gary Harnagel  wrote:
>> Unsubstantiated assertion refuted by experimental evidence.
> 
> Experimental evidence imagined by a fanatic idiot.

his guru did it. What can he do, but rave and spit.

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