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| Started by | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| First post | 2018-04-06 09:37 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-04-24 21:31 -0700 |
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Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-06 09:37 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-04-06 19:30 +0200
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-06 13:28 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 14:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-07 07:15 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 18:49 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 06:29 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Ovské Bezvýjimeènì <obe@cwkawns.na> - 2018-04-07 17:42 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-07 08:50 -0700
Re:Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-04-06 19:40 +0200
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-04-06 19:52 +0200
Re:Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Ovské Bezvýjimeènì <obe@cwkawns.na> - 2018-04-06 18:47 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 23:51 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-06 14:43 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-06 13:32 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-04-06 22:37 +0200
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 15:01 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-07 07:19 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 12:24 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-07 12:38 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 16:48 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-08 04:12 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 06:50 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 06:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 06:36 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 18:06 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-08 04:50 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-08 16:42 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-08 14:00 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:52 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-18 05:41 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:37 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-19 07:55 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:49 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-20 05:13 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 05:27 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-20 06:59 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 07:11 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-20 20:17 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 20:53 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-21 07:02 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 08:09 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-21 10:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:37 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 12:37 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-21 21:46 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-22 05:54 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 06:53 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-22 07:50 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 08:27 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-23 08:35 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 10:04 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-23 18:00 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-20 11:45 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-20 20:29 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-21 10:27 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-22 06:19 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-22 10:35 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-22 08:19 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-22 15:35 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-23 13:00 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-23 08:32 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-23 12:27 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-23 16:38 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 16:59 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-23 21:20 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 07:07 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-24 10:50 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-23 20:50 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 07:19 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-24 10:57 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 09:37 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-24 13:30 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 12:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-20 20:51 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-21 05:52 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-21 06:59 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 10:03 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-24 13:29 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-24 15:16 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 00:47 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 09:18 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 11:38 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-25 11:49 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 19:59 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 14:04 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:45 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 21:33 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 13:01 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-26 07:04 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 14:32 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-26 16:36 +0200
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-26 09:28 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-26 09:28 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 16:49 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-26 10:28 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-26 16:54 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 17:23 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 01:04 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 09:54 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-29 05:32 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-29 14:01 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 08:48 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 11:15 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 12:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:34 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 10:53 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 21:52 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:30 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 05:31 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-28 11:02 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 09:22 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-28 08:59 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-28 19:19 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-28 13:37 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 10:14 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 11:46 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-30 19:20 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 13:36 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 10:55 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-30 12:30 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 19:58 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 14:01 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 11:00 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-30 21:13 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 10:57 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 10:01 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-29 11:11 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:25 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-02 15:35 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 22:08 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-03 05:47 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 09:41 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 17:16 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-08 09:38 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 18:41 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-10 10:23 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 10:20 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 19:19 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 11:36 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 21:27 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 14:45 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 14:04 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:07 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-13 20:49 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-13 20:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-14 00:35 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-14 03:31 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-14 16:58 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-14 17:41 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-14 18:05 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 11:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-14 11:44 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 11:50 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:23 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-14 19:28 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-14 19:25 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:23 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 13:34 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:14 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-14 19:41 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:18 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-14 20:48 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-14 21:23 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 15:37 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 12:20 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 15:22 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 07:48 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-14 04:07 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 20:45 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 12:22 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:15 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-08 11:00 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 08:11 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 22:07 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:31 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 09:01 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 16:58 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-29 21:22 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 19:22 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-29 05:40 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-29 14:12 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-29 08:35 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:51 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-30 06:14 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 19:14 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-30 14:40 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:23 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-30 16:57 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 23:04 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-30 15:24 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 02:40 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-30 22:35 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-08 10:19 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 10:30 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 13:25 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-09 21:05 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-09 21:07 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 12:35 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-10 10:25 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 10:23 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-01 09:15 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-01 12:50 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-02 04:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-02 08:33 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 05:54 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-02 07:43 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-01 08:43 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-01 09:25 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:55 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-01 14:49 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-01 11:50 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 20:15 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 20:34 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-01 13:01 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 22:11 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-01 14:51 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 02:15 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-01 19:48 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 04:24 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-02 05:22 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 05:31 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 14:50 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 17:28 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-02 12:16 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-06 19:45 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-01 21:21 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-01 09:56 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 18:52 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-02 05:06 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 12:52 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 05:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-02 07:46 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 17:35 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 11:51 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:17 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 12:40 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-03 05:56 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 13:16 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-05 05:16 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-05 17:40 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-06 00:20 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 17:34 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 15:24 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-09 05:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-09 11:07 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-05-09 13:43 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-05-09 17:29 -0400
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 15:53 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-09 11:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 18:57 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:20 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 17:21 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:55 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 07:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 06:29 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-10 10:16 -0500
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 06:27 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-11 04:51 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 17:48 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-11 11:25 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 05:36 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 14:40 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 05:48 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Ursula Vankeuren <aln@divweo.id> - 2018-05-15 19:56 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 05:13 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 08:38 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 10:36 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 18:08 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-10 04:44 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:49 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:23 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-11 15:20 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 22:35 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 15:55 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 06:31 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 14:13 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 05:27 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 08:08 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-19 21:54 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-19 20:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-20 07:50 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 23:41 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-11 15:01 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 22:26 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:21 +0100
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 15:21 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-11 15:36 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-19 21:35 +0000
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:48 -0700
Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-24 21:31 -0700
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 07:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <7e302991-490d-47a1-84a7-b72660322a13@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456540 |
On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:53:13 PM UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote: > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 9:17:47 PM UTC-6, kenseto wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 7:59:48 AM UTC-6, kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 8:27:58 AM UTC-4, Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 6:14:00 AM UTC-6, kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I said according to SR: each observer will claim that the other clock > > > > > > accumulates less clock seconds than his clock. This is what gives rise > > > > > > to the bogus concept of mutual time dilation. > > > > > > > > > > It's not bogus since it's predictsbased upon the experimental evidence > > > > > > YOU put “predicts" in MY sentence, dishonest one. > > > > Moron, I didn’t do that. > > Imbecile, you did too. Look at my original post and then look at your reply. > Everyone can see what a dishonest fool you are. > > > > > > that the > > > > > speed of light is independent of the motion or source and receiver. > > > > > > > > Moron > > > > > > Imbecile. > > > > > > > here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative > > > > motion: > > > > 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a > > > > factor of 1/gamma. > > > > > > If by “predicts" you mean "will measure" then yes. > > > > Moron there is no way to MEASURE B’s clock rate. > > You measure it by receiving signals from it, imbecilic incompetent brainless > fool. A clock is moving at 0.5c wrt you, how do you MEASURE its clock rate? Step by step PROCEDURE please. > > > A uses the LT to predict B’s clock rate. Gee you are stupid. > > I'm not the one denying experiments can be performed, ignorant lout. > > > > > 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a > > > > factor of gamma. > > > > > > Imbecile, the LT NEVER "predicts" that. You are a clueless ignoramus. > > > I didn’t > > > > Moron, That’s is one of the possibility exists when A compares B clock > > rate with his own. Gee you are so fucking stupid. > > Imbecile, the ONLY possibility is that A will MEASURE B's clock running > slow. Gee you are stupider than stupid. > > > > > 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) > > > > clock. > > > > > > Only if gamma = unity, triviality-bleater. > > > > > > > > > The possibility that: > > > > A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a > > > > factor of 1/gamma and at the same time B predicts that A accumulating > > > > clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. > > > > > > Never happens, disgustingly incompetent non combos mentis. > > > > Moron that exactly what SR’s mutual time dilation says: A measures B > > accumulate clock second at a slower rate of 1/gamma. B measures A > > accumulates clock second at a sower rate of 1/gamma. > > You're right! I misunderstood what you wrote, thinking that you were bull > plopping the "B reads A's clock running faster" dog poop again. > > > > > This possibility doesn’t exist in our universe. > > > > > > So why does your stupid assertions "predict" it, bozo-brain? > > > > Moron that’s not my assertion. That’s SR’s mutual time dilation assertion. > > Imbecile, your dog poop asserts two possibilities, and you throw away the > one that's correct. Gee you are such an idiot. Your abysmally-idiotic > mistake is that you believe the LT "prediction" is actually what is > happening at A when B measures it. It's not. It's really, really stupid > to believe that B, just by changing his velocity a bit, can change the rate > and value of A's clock. A person has to be many cards short of a full deck > to believe THAT! Moron if B changes his velocity wrt A, he will predict that A’s clock rate is changed. Also, A will predict that B clock rate is changed. Gee you are stupid.
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 08:09 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <50b2b470-2e98-40e2-a6ac-d1d6326bfa81@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456556 |
On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:02:20 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > A clock is moving at 0.5c wrt you, how do you MEASURE its clock rate? > Step by step PROCEDURE please. There are several ways. If you do not know them, then this NG is not for you. Real a few relativity books; they show you step by step the PROCEDURES. You dont recall seeing any of them in books?
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 10:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <0c0b0809-46c7-40c0-8bfe-cbef2a9b4c9d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456561 |
On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:02:20 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > > > A clock is moving at 0.5c wrt you, how do you MEASURE its clock rate? > > Step by step PROCEDURE please. > > There are several ways. If you do not know them, then this NG is not for you. > Real a few relativity books; they show you step by step the PROCEDURES. > You dont recall seeing any of them in books? Just as I thought--your bullshit about MEASURING the clock rate of a moving clock is just a bunch of bullshit. BTW, what wrong with using the LT to predict the clock rate of a moving clock?
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 18:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <pbg0dh$llg$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #456574 |
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: >> On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:02:20 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: >> >> > A clock is moving at 0.5c wrt you, how do you MEASURE its clock rate? >> > Step by step PROCEDURE please. >> >> There are several ways. If you do not know them, then this NG is not for you. >> Real a few relativity books; they show you step by step the PROCEDURES. >> You dont recall seeing any of them in books? >Just as I thought--your bullshit about MEASURING the clock rate of a >moving clock is just a bunch of bullshit. Stupid Ken, it is easy to measure the clock rate. Don't you know anything? > BTW, what wrong with using the >LT to predict the clock rate of a moving clock? What if you want to know whether a theory may be correct? That's part of science, you know. If you develop a theory you have to TEST it to see if reality agrees with it. If you wish to validate SR, you predict the clock rate, you measure the clock rate and compare. That's what they had to do in Einstein's time to validate/refute SR. And what if you want to know the speed of a passing spaceship, and you are able to measure the tick rate of a clock on it? You measure the tick rate and compare it to the known tick rate locally, then apply the Lorentz Transform in reverse to calculate its speed.
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 12:37 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <52242238-58d7-448e-b828-31fdf1650d11@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456574 |
On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 1:26:10 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > Just as I thought--your bullshit about MEASURING the clock rate > of a moving clock is just a bunch of bullshit. How so? its in the books!!!! haven you ever read any??? If you admit to not having read any and are clueless about how to measure the "rate", then says so, and I will tell you how its done. > BTW, what wrong with using the LT to predict the clock rate > of a moving clock? Nothing wrong. You can ise the LT's for that. And we verify the prediction of the LT's by performing the exp (by *measuring* the "rate"). As is well know, the LT's & exp match perfectly. But you are going to deny all that because u r a reality denier.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 21:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <600259a2-5258-4f59-a184-8a64e86454b3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456587 |
On Saturday, 21 April 2018 21:37:09 UTC+2, rotchm wrote: > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 1:26:10 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > > > Just as I thought--your bullshit about MEASURING the clock rate > > of a moving clock is just a bunch of bullshit. > > How so? its in the books!!!! haven you ever read any??? And many advantages of communism against rotten capitalism are also written in books. They have to be true.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 05:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <d74978e5-ea83-4044-ae13-9e3c8d338609@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456587 |
On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 3:37:09 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 1:26:10 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:09:54 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > > > Just as I thought--your bullshit about MEASURING the clock rate > > of a moving clock is just a bunch of bullshit. > > How so? its in the books!!!! haven you ever read any??? > If you admit to not having read any and are clueless about how to measure the "rate", then says so, and I will tell you how its done. David, I asked you to provide step by step procedure how to measure the clock rate of a clock moving wrt you and you tell me to go and read a book? I don’t think so. I think you are full of shit. > > > BTW, what wrong with using the LT to predict the clock rate > > of a moving clock? > > Nothing wrong. You can ise the LT's for that. And we verify the prediction of the LT's by performing the exp (by *measuring* the "rate"). As is well know, the LT's & exp match perfectly. But you are going to deny all that because u r a reality denier.
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 06:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <c4e5a028-ea78-454c-869b-e9d295cef82d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456620 |
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 8:54:51 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > David, I asked you to provide step by step procedure how to > measure the clock rate of a clock moving wrt you and you tell > me to go and read a book? Yes, because the answers are in the books. Then I said that *I* will provide you the answers here, but you didnt want to see it!! So make up your mind you stupid idiot. You want to answer or not?? If you do, I just ask of you to admit that you didn't consult any books on the topic. > I don’t think We know that.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 07:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <37a69385-5f97-4eb0-b788-ca05dbc243ba@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456624 |
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 8:54:51 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > > > David, I asked you to provide step by step procedure how to > > measure the clock rate of a clock moving wrt you and you tell > > me to go and read a book? > > Yes, because the answers are in the books. > Then I said that *I* will provide you the answers here, but you didnt want to see it!! So make up your mind you stupid idiot. You want to answer or not?? If you do, I just ask of you to admit that you didn't consult any books on the topic. You are full of shit. I asked you to solve for v in the doppler equation you said that you will if I ask. I asked and you said the detail steps are available if I ask again. At the mean time Steve provided the detail steps to solve for v....so that means that you don’t know how to solve for v, all you do is bullshit.
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 08:27 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <cb91db6b-56f1-4fd6-bfd3-06cbb60d19aa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456631 |
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > You are full of shit. I asked you to solve for v in the doppler > equation And I did. Google kept a record. > you said that you will if I ask. Yes, and you asked. You admitted that you were not able to solve it, so I provided you with the explicit answer. Google kept a record. > I asked and you said the detail steps are available if I ask again. Nope. You asked again. Thats when I suggested you to look it up in books, because you ignored my answer. > At the mean time Steve provided the detail steps to solve for v But I provided my answer before him, an answer you chose to ignore. I had the same answer that he gave. > ....so that means that you don’t know how to solve for v, But I did & google kept a record. So you are a dishonest liyin idiot who cant read, who cant do basic physics and who cant even solve a 5 ft grade math problem. Do you realize all that?
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-23 08:35 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <4daf60f1-3d01-4bf5-a116-92e57d6af9eb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456638 |
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 11:27:22 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:51:01 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > > > You are full of shit. I asked you to solve for v in the doppler > > equation > > And I did. Google kept a record. Go ahead and dig it up tp show us that you gave step by step procedure how to solve for v as Steve did. > > > you said that you will if I ask. > > Yes, and you asked. You admitted that you were not able to solve it, so I provided you with the explicit answer. Google kept a record. > > > I asked and you said the detail steps are available if I ask again. > > Nope. You asked again. Thats when I suggested you to look it up in books, because you ignored my answer. > > > At the mean time Steve provided the detail steps to solve for v > > But I provided my answer before him, an answer you chose to ignore. I had the same answer that he gave. > > > ....so that means that you don’t know how to solve for v, > > But I did & google kept a record. So you are a dishonest liyin idiot who cant read, who cant do basic physics and who cant even solve a 5 ft grade math problem. Do you realize all that?
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-04-23 10:04 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <a9542dec-f6df-4e8c-8381-a9f8c2ebfa77@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456728 |
On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 11:35:36 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 11:27:22 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > > And I did. Google kept a record. Now that u admit that I gave you the answer, whats ur point? I can measure the speed and "tick rate" of an incoming clock. And the values are in accord with the predictions of SR. But your dIRT cant make any such predictions as you admitted to.
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| From | Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> |
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| Date | 2018-04-23 18:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Gedanken proves that clocks in relative motion accumulate clock seconds at different rates, |
| Message-ID | <pbl701$1jpq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #456742 |
rotchm wrote: > On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 11:35:36 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: >> On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 11:27:22 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote: > >> > And I did. Google kept a record. > > Now that u admit that I gave you the answer, whats ur point? > I can measure the speed and "tick rate" of an incoming clock. And the > values are in accord with the predictions of SR. But your dIRT cant make > any such predictions as you admitted to. You are just wasting my time.
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-04-20 11:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pbd20m$pq5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #456479 |
On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote:
> Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion:
> 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma.
> 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma.
> 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock.
Dear Mr. Seto;
Please help with this problem with IRT:
Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same
time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O.
Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree
angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120
degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane.
B
\
\
O------A --> +x
/
/
C
Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as
ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as
ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words,
gamma=2 in both cases.
Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock?
What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock?
And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock?
What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock?
Thank you in advance.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-20 20:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8435172d-9606-4b14-aba4-539a026b5cc0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456489 |
On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: > On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote: > > Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion: > > 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. > > 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma. > > 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock. > > Dear Mr. Seto; > > Please help with this problem with IRT: > > Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same > time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O. > Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree > angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120 > degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane. > > > B > \ > \ > O------A --> +x > / > / > C > > Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as > ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as > ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words, > gamma=2 in both casesB and C are ,. > > Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? > What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? > > And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock? > What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock? > > Thank you in advance. There is no way for A or B or C to MEASURE each other’s clock rate. Each observer uses the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. Your set-up using “O” as a reference point for all motions of A, B and C is not valid. Each observer must use the LT to predict the clock rate of any clock moving wrt him.
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-04-21 10:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pbfhqm$d6n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #456536 |
On 4/20/2018 11:29 PM, kenseto wrote: > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: >> On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion: >>> 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. >>> 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma. >>> 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock. >> >> Dear Mr. Seto; >> >> Please help with this problem with IRT: >> >> Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same >> time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O. >> Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree >> angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120 >> degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane. >> >> >> B >> \ >> \ >> O------A --> +x >> / >> / >> C >> >> Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as >> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as >> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words, >> gamma=2 in both casesB and C are ,. >> >> Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? >> What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? >> >> And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock? >> What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock? >> >> Thank you in advance. > > There is no way for A or B or C to MEASURE each other’s clock rate. Each observer uses the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. Why not? Why can't each observer on A B and C use a radar gun to measure each others' speeds? Or simply observe the Doppler effect on a sodium light which each spaceship has? > Your set-up using “O” as a reference point for all motions of A, B and C is not valid. Why not? Please explain. > Each observer must use the LT to predict the clock rate of any clock moving wrt him. > And if they do that, each observer A B and C will predict the clocks on the other two run at half speed (gamma=2). That conflicts with your absolute time concept.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 06:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <97e10944-70b1-46bb-8022-f1eab66f47fa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456557 |
On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: > On 4/20/2018 11:29 PM, kenseto wrote: > > On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: > >> On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote: > >>> Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion: > >>> 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. > >>> 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma. > >>> 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock. > >> > >> Dear Mr. Seto; > >> > >> Please help with this problem with IRT: > >> > >> Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same > >> time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O. > >> Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree > >> angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120 > >> degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane. > >> > >> > >> B > >> \ > >> \ > >> O------A --> +x > >> / > >> / > >> C > >> > >> Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as > >> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as > >> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words, > >> gamma=2 in both casesB and C are ,. > >> > >> Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? > >> What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? > >> > >> And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock? > >> What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock? > >> > >> Thank you in advance. > > > > There is no way for A or B or C to MEASURE each other’s clock rate. Each observer uses the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. > e > Why not? Why can't each observer on A B and C use a radar gun to measure > each others' speeds? Or simply observe the Doppler effect on a sodium > light which each spaceship has? Sure you can use a radar gun to measure each other’s speeds but how do you measure each other’s clock rate? The answer: you can’t--you use the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. Also each observer must do his own measurement of speeds then use this speed measurement to predict the clock rate. The speeds as you set forth from O’s point of view are closing speeds and they cannot be used in the LT to predict the clock rates. > eat to predict > > Your set-up using “O” as a reference point for all motions of A, B and C is not valid. > > Why not? Please explain. Because they are closing speeds between A and B or C. Each observer must measure the speed of the interested clock and then use this speed measurement to predict the rate of such moving clock. > > Each observer must use the LT to predict the clock rate of any clock moving wrt him. > > > > And if they do that, each observer A B and C will predict the clocks on > the other two run at half speed (gamma=2). That conflicts with your > absolute time concept. NO, NO, NO..... each observer cannot measure the other two to have speeds greater than c and thus no gamma=2 as you asserted.
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 10:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pbi6mj$ds2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #456622 |
On 4/22/2018 9:19 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: >> On 4/20/2018 11:29 PM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: >>>> On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>> Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion: >>>>> 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. >>>>> 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma. >>>>> 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock. >>>> >>>> Dear Mr. Seto; >>>> >>>> Please help with this problem with IRT: >>>> >>>> Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same >>>> time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O. >>>> Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree >>>> angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120 >>>> degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane. >>>> >>>> >>>> B >>>> \ >>>> \ >>>> O------A --> +x >>>> / >>>> / >>>> C >>>> >>>> Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as >>>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as >>>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words, >>>> gamma=2 in both casesB and C are ,. >>>> >>>> Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? >>>> What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? >>>> >>>> And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock? >>>> What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock? >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance. >>> >>> There is no way for A or B or C to MEASURE each other’s clock rate. Each observer uses the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. >> e >> Why not? Why can't each observer on A B and C use a radar gun to measure >> each others' speeds? Or simply observe the Doppler effect on a sodium >> light which each spaceship has? > > Sure you can use a radar gun to measure each other’s speeds but how do you measure each other’s clock rate? The answer: you can’t--you use the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. You moved the goalposts: You claimed the spaceships cannot measure each others' speeds, and I replied Sure you can, just use a radar gun. Now you say they can't measure each other's clock rates! But you can, and I even mentioned it. Use a sodium light. A sodium light has a frequency (clock rate) of 5.09*10^14 in the frame of the emitter. [589nm wavelength] If each spaceship has a sodium light on board, the others can measure its clock rate and use the Lorentz transform to obtain its speed. You don't even have to use a sodium light, all that is needed is a radio transmitter of known frequency, the other spaceships measure the received frequency and use the Doppler effect to calculate the speed. >> eat to predict >>> Your set-up using “O” as a reference point for all motions of A, B and C is not valid. >> >> Why not? Please explain. > > Because they are closing speeds between A and B or C. Each observer must measure the speed of the interested clock and then use this speed measurement to predict the rate of such moving clock. I just described how to measure both the moving rate and a clock, using a radar gun or sodium light. > >>> Each observer must use the LT to predict the clock rate of any clock moving wrt him. >>> >> >> And if they do that, each observer A B and C will predict the clocks on >> the other two run at half speed (gamma=2). That conflicts with your >> absolute time concept. > > NO, NO, NO..... each observer cannot measure the other two to have speeds greater than c and thus no gamma=2 as you asserted. I never said anything was moving greater than c. I mentioned they move as a speed such that gamma=2 (to make the math easier). Gamma=2 corresponds to a speed of 0.866c which is obviously less than c.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 08:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f9b7bf43-34fe-4ada-9635-2a0c6b94a01e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #456628 |
On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:37:09 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: > On 4/22/2018 9:19 AM, kenseto wrote: > > On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: > >> On 4/20/2018 11:29 PM, kenseto wrote: > >>> On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: > >>>> On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote: > >>>>> Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion: > >>>>> 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. > >>>>> 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma. > >>>>> 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock. > >>>> > >>>> Dear Mr. Seto; > >>>> > >>>> Please help with this problem with IRT: > >>>> > >>>> Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same > >>>> time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O. > >>>> Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree > >>>> angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120 > >>>> degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> B > >>>> \ > >>>> \ > >>>> O------A --> +x > >>>> / > >>>> / > >>>> C > >>>> > >>>> Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as > >>>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as > >>>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words, > >>>> gamma=2 in both casesB and C are ,. > >>>> > >>>> Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? > >>>> What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? > >>>> > >>>> And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock? > >>>> What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you in advance. > >>> > >>> There is no way for A or B or C to MEASURE each other’s clock rate. Each observer uses the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. > >> e > >> Why not? Why can't each observer on A B and C use a radar gun to measure > >> each others' speeds? Or simply observe the Doppler effect on a sodium > >> light which each spaceship has? > > > > Sure you can use a radar gun to measure each other’s speeds but how do you measure each other’s clock rate? The answer: you can’t--you use the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. > > You moved the goalposts: You claimed the spaceships cannot measure each > others' speeds, and I replied Sure you can, just use a radar gun. Now > you say they can't measure each other's clock rates! But you can, and I > even mentioned it. Use a sodium light. A sodium light has a frequency > (clock rate) of 5.09*10^14 in the frame of the emitter. [589nm > wavelength] If each spaceship has a sodium light on board, the others > can measure its clock rate and use the Lorentz transform to obtain its > speed. I said each space ship cannot measure each other’s clock rate. You will find that measuring the incoming frequency is not measuring clock rate or time dilation. Also I have doubt that you can measuring the incoming frequency without assuming that the incoming speed of light is c. I did say that measuring the speed then use this measurement and the LT to predict the rate of the clock in the spaceship. > > You don't even have to use a sodium light, all that is needed is a radio > transmitter of known frequency, the other spaceships measure the > received frequency and use the Doppler effect to calculate the speed. If you use the Doppler effect to calculate speed then you must also use it to calculate the incoming speed of light. When you do that you will find that the speed of incoming light is not c. > > >> eat to predict > >>> Your set-up using “O” as a reference point for all motions of A, B and C is not valid. > >> > >> Why not? Please explain. > > > > Because they are closing speeds between A and B or C. Each observer must measure the speed of the interested clock and then use this speed measurement to predict the rate of such moving clock. > > I just described how to measure both the moving rate and a clock, using > a radar gun or sodium light. No you didn’t. You described how to measure speed, not how to measure clock rate. Think about it: if a clock is approaching you your procedure will say its clock rate is R_a and when it speeded past you your procedure says that its clock rate if R_p. At the mean time, the moving clock rate remains constant whether it is approaching you or moving away from you. > > > > >>> Each observer must use the LT to predict the clock rate of any clock moving wrt him. > >>> > >> > >> And if they do that, each observer A B and C will predict the clocks on > >> the other two run at half speed (gamma=2). That conflicts with your > >> absolute time concept. > > > > NO, NO, NO..... each observer cannot measure the other two to have speeds greater than c and thus no gamma=2 as you asserted. > > I never said anything was moving greater than c. I mentioned they move > as a speed such that gamma=2 (to make the math easier). Gamma=2 > corresponds to a speed of 0.866c which is obviously less than c.
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| From | Volney <volney@volney.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-04-22 15:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pbio8u$j99$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #456637 |
On 4/22/2018 11:19 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Sunday, April 22, 2018 at 10:37:09 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: >> On 4/22/2018 9:19 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: >>>> On 4/20/2018 11:29 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>> On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote: >>>>>> On 4/20/2018 9:59 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>> Moron here are the possibilities exist between two clocks A and B in relative motion: >>>>>>> 1. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a slower rate by a factor of 1/gamma. >>>>>>> 2. A predicts that B accumulating clock seconds at a faster rate by a factor of gamma. >>>>>>> 3. A predicts that B accumulating clock second at the same rate as his (A) clock. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr. Seto; >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help with this problem with IRT: >>>>>> >>>>>> Three rockets leave a planet at the origin O in the XY plane at the same >>>>>> time. They all move at the same speed, as measured at the origin O. >>>>>> Rocket A moves along the +x direction. Rocket B moves at a 120 degree >>>>>> angle to Rocket A/the x axis, in the XY plane. Rocket C moves at a 120 >>>>>> degree angle to B which is a 240 degree angle to A, also in the XY plane. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> \ >>>>>> \ >>>>>> O------A --> +x >>>>>> / >>>>>> / >>>>>> C >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, A measures the clock rates of B and C. A measures B's clock as >>>>>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. A measures C's clock as >>>>>> ticking at exactly half the rate of A's clock. In other words, >>>>>> gamma=2 in both casesB and C are ,. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tell us. What does B measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? >>>>>> What does C measure when measuring the rate of A's clock? >>>>>> >>>>>> And now: What does B measure when measuring the rate of C's clock? >>>>>> What does C measure when measuring the rate of B's clock? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you in advance. >>>>> >>>>> There is no way for A or B or C to MEASURE each other’s clock rate. Each observer uses the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. >>>> e >>>> Why not? Why can't each observer on A B and C use a radar gun to measure >>>> each others' speeds? Or simply observe the Doppler effect on a sodium >>>> light which each spaceship has? >>> >>> Sure you can use a radar gun to measure each other’s speeds but how do you measure each other’s clock rate? The answer: you can’t--you use the LT to predict each other’s clock rate. >> >> You moved the goalposts: You claimed the spaceships cannot measure each >> others' speeds, and I replied Sure you can, just use a radar gun. Now >> you say they can't measure each other's clock rates! But you can, and I >> even mentioned it. Use a sodium light. A sodium light has a frequency >> (clock rate) of 5.09*10^14 in the frame of the emitter. [589nm >> wavelength] If each spaceship has a sodium light on board, the others >> can measure its clock rate and use the Lorentz transform to obtain its >> speed. > > I said each space ship cannot measure each other’s clock rate. Why not? I just told you how, one space ship has a clock with a known period (say a 100 MHz transmitter or sodium light). The transmission clock rate is known (10nS for the 100 MHz transmitter) and the other ship measures the frequency or pulse rate and DIRECTLY measures the clock rate of the other ship. > You will find that measuring the incoming frequency is not measuring clock rate It is! The tick rate is the reciprocal of the frequency. 1/100MHz = 10nS. > or time dilation. The time dilation is just the ratio of tick rates. > Also I have doubt that you can measuring the incoming frequency without assuming that the incoming speed of light is c. You only need a frequency counter, which makes no assumption about the speed of light. > I did say that measuring the speed then use this measurement and the LT to predict the rate of the clock in the spaceship. Or you can measure it directly. > >> >> You don't even have to use a sodium light, all that is needed is a radio >> transmitter of known frequency, the other spaceships measure the >> received frequency and use the Doppler effect to calculate the speed. > > If you use the Doppler effect to calculate speed then you must also use it to calculate the incoming speed of light. When you do that you will find that the speed of incoming light is not c. OK just measure the incoming frequency or pulse rate and you know the time dilation. > >> >>>> eat to predict >>>>> Your set-up using “O” as a reference point for all motions of A, B and C is not valid. >>>> >>>> Why not? Please explain. >>> >>> Because they are closing speeds between A and B or C. Each observer must measure the speed of the interested clock and then use this speed measurement to predict the rate of such moving clock. >> >> I just described how to measure both the moving rate and a clock, using >> a radar gun or sodium light. > > No you didn’t. You described how to measure speed, not how to measure clock rate. Yes I did. You simply measure the frequency of the sodium light and that gets you the clock rate. Easy peasy. > Think about it: if a clock is approaching you your procedure will say its clock rate is R_a and when it speeded past you your procedure says that its clock rate if R_p. That's correct, just like a train horn. > At the mean time, the moving clock rate remains constant whether it is approaching you or moving away from you. Yes. The rate as seen by some other observer doesn't affect the clock itself in its own frame. That is well known. Like a passenger on a train ALWAYS hears the same tone for the train horn. I just asked what IRT would predict about the clock rates and amount of absolute time the three rockets would have. If you can't answer it or if IRT can't predict it, let me know.
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