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  Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:06 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:16 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 07:23 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-17 20:10 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:06 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:14 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:26 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-14 13:41 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:01 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 17:25 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:06 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 19:13 +0000
      Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 15:43 -0400
        Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-14 19:51 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:22 -0500
            Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:39 +0000
              Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:09 -0500
                Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 21:14 +0000
                  Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:43 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:00 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:30 +0000
            Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:46 -0500
              Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 02:04 +0000
                Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 21:37 -0500
                Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 22:40 -0400
                  Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 03:15 +0000
                    Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 23:57 -0400
                      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:13 +0200
                        Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 10:38 -0400
                          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:59 +0200
                    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 +0200
                    Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-15 17:49 -0700
                Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 20:05 -0700
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 11:51 +0200
            Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 18:38 -0400
              Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:11 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:05 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:10 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 14:51 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:07 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:19 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:37 -0500
            Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:34 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 01:05 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:56 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 00:53 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 18:43 -0700
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:41 +0200
        Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 03:08 -0400
          Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-18 08:40 +1000
            Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
            Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-18 08:48 -0400
              Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-19 10:04 +1000
                Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-19 12:54 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:39 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:20 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:19 +0200
        Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 12:37 -0400
          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:45 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 12:04 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-16 11:44 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 15:30 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles "T.M. Sommers" <tmsommers2@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:07 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 17:53 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 00:44 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-16 18:27 +0000

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#360712 — Accessing books and articles

A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to 
professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also 
complained that it is too expensive to buy them.

I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought 
an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.

Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities. 
Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you 
live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT, 
Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and 
probably more than one university right there.

Access to a university library is almost always free and does not 
require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the 
shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of 
the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask 
for a guest account.

I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of 
access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will. 
I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other 
excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it 
from the very same chair that they are using to post to 
sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.

Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#360713

On 8/14/2015 9:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>
> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
>
> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities.
> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you
> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT,
> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and
> probably more than one university right there.
>
> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the
> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of
> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask
> for a guest account.
>
> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of
> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will.
> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other
> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it
> from the very same chair that they are using to post to
> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
>
> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.
>

Followup:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Massachusetts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Kansas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_New_York

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Ohio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Washington

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Minnesota

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Nevada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Florida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Vermont

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#360714

On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 8:06:27 AM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to 
> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also 
> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
> 
> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought 
> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
> 
> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities. 
> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you 
> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT, 
> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and 
> probably more than one university right there.
> 
> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not 
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the 
> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of 
> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask 
> for a guest account.
> 
> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of 
> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will. 
> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other 
> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it 
> from the very same chair that they are using to post to 
> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
> 
> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

And Paul B. Andersen has several important papers on his site:

https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf 
https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf 
https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf 
https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf 
https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf 

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#361112

On 14.08.2015 16:23, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 8:06:27 AM UTC-6, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
>> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
>> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>>
>> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
>> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
>>
>> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities.
>> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you
>> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT,
>> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and
>> probably more than one university right there.
>>
>> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not
>> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the
>> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of
>> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask
>> for a guest account.
>>
>> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of
>> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will.
>> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other
>> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it
>> from the very same chair that they are using to post to
>> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
>>
>> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> And Paul B. Andersen has several important papers on his site:
>
> https://paulba.no/paper/Babcock_Bergman.pdf
> https://paulba.no/paper/Alvager_et_al.pdf
> https://paulba.no/paper/Beckmann_Mandics.pdf
> https://paulba.no/paper/Filippas_Fox.pdf
> https://paulba.no/paper/Brecher.pdf

https://paulba.no/paper/index.html

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#360716

On 08/14/2015 04:06 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to 
> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also 
> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
> 
> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought 
> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
> 
> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities. 
> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you 
> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT, 
> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and 
> probably more than one university right there.
> 
> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not 
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the 
> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of 
> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask 
> for a guest account.
> 
> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of 
> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will. 
> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other 
> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it 
> from the very same chair that they are using to post to 
> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
> 
> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.
> 

There seems to be implicit presumption
everybody lives easy live of US citizen.

Regional and personal circumstances
can be VERY different from the above.

Library availability of EN books in non EN countries
can be much lower,
and international library exchange difficult, slow and expensive.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#360721

On 8/14/2015 9:33 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> On 08/14/2015 04:06 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
>> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
>> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>>
>> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
>> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
>>
>> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities.
>> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you
>> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT,
>> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and
>> probably more than one university right there.
>>
>> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not
>> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the
>> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of
>> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask
>> for a guest account.
>>
>> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of
>> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will.
>> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other
>> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it
>> from the very same chair that they are using to post to
>> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
>>
>> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.
>>
>
> There seems to be implicit presumption
> everybody lives easy live of US citizen.
>
> Regional and personal circumstances
> can be VERY different from the above.
>
> Library availability of EN books in non EN countries
> can be much lower,
> and international library exchange difficult, slow and expensive.
>
>

While you have a valid perspective, most of the people on this newsgroup 
that have complained about access are from the US. My post was very much 
US-centric and aimed at those who complain about access from inside the US.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#360722

On 08/14/2015 05:06 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> There seems to be implicit presumption
>> everybody lives easy live of US citizen.
>>
>> Regional and personal circumstances
>> can be VERY different from the above.
>>
>> Library availability of EN books in non EN countries
>> can be much lower,
>> and international library exchange difficult, slow and expensive.
> 
> While you have a valid perspective, most of the people on this newsgroup 
> that have complained about access are from the US. My post was very much 
> US-centric and aimed at those who complain about access from inside the US.
> 

Good point well made. No objections to this.


-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#360724

On 8/14/2015 11:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> There seems to be implicit presumption
>> everybody lives easy live of US citizen.
>>
>> Regional and personal circumstances
>> can be VERY different from the above.
>>
>> Library availability of EN books in non EN countries
>> can be much lower,
>> and international library exchange difficult, slow and expensive.
>>
>>
>
> While you have a valid perspective, most of the people on this newsgroup
> that have complained about access are from the US. My post was very much
> US-centric and aimed at those who complain about access from inside the US.


If anyone is having trouble accessing scientific literature, let me 
know. I will provide sources for you on request.


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#360750

On 8/14/2015 9:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>
> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.
>
> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities.
> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you
> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT,
> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and
> probably more than one university right there.
>
> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the
> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of
> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask
> for a guest account.
>
> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of
> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will.
> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other
> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it
> from the very same chair that they are using to post to
> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
>
> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.
>

the university here, you can get into the stacks no problem, however 
many of the perodicals are going electronic, and even if you buy access 
to the stacks, it dosent include the electronic access, because  much of 
the electronic access is done by contract via 3rd parties, so as a non 
student outsider, no access to them. Bad News!

if you have a city libarary card you can get a limited university card 
and get on a computer there, but still no access to the ejournals!

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#360755

On 08/14/2015 10:06 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> A number of people here have complained that it is hard to get access to
> professional physics articles in journals or books. Many have also
> complained that it is too expensive to buy them.
>
> I personally have bought a fair number of books, but I've never bought
> an article or a journal subscription. Nor do I need to.

It's obvious that Boinker doesn't need the books either! But I guess he 
thinks it's fair to charge $35 for a few page article that the Journal 
got for free. Sure, that really promotes human civilization to throw 
monetary and other blockages in the way of the free access of 
information. The idea of patents and copyrights has always been to 
ENCOURAGE research and advancement of human civilization. Greed seems to 
have made everyone forget that. Research and education used to be 
considered "fair use". Now copyrights run well past the life of the 
author and only ancient history makes it into the public domain.

> Wherever you live, google the location of the nearest universities.
> Chances are, there is one within a 1-2 hr drive in the US, and if you
> live in a moderate sized city in the US (Lincoln NE, Salt Lake City UT,
> Boise ID, Tampa FL, Baton Rouge LA) you will have at least one and
> probably more than one university right there.

Sure, just drive 200 miles to see some half-baked article if you can. IF 
they have it and IF they'll let you see it.

> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the
> shelved materials. In most cases, you will also have access to a lot of
> the digital collection as well, if you only go to the counter and ask
> for a guest account.

Needing an ID to get depends on the times. If there are protests on 
campus you will need one just to get in. And once in, you can go look at 
the shelves. THAT'S IT! If you have to ask at the desk you can't get it 
without university ID. And if you want to Xerox a copy, sorry most 
places now require ID for that (need to know what people are looking at, 
don't you know). And any digital access requires ID as well. There is no 
such thing as a free "guest" account. At minimum to get "guest" access 
you need to join the alumni association (whether or not you are alumni, 
they'll still take your money). The only true guest accounts are granted 
by High Campus officials and require political suction at various levels.

> I really don't think there is a valid excuse to complain about lack of
> access, unless you are disabled or otherwise confined against your will.
> I know that a lot of people here have offered up a number of other
> excuses, which basically amount to saying that unless they can access it
> from the very same chair that they are using to post to
> sci.physics.relativity, then they are not interested.
>
> Lack of interest is not to be equated with lack of access. C'mon.

As usual Boinker tries to blame the victim so his views appear clean.

But Boinker's fantasies to the contrary not withstanding, one CAN with a 
little savvy get access to much material. As usual, political 
connections are required. For example, Princeton used to have a massive 
archive of Electromagnetic papers free OnLine. Naturally publishers and 
copyright owners raised all kind of hell about it although I'd bet no 
more than a handful of people ever accessed it. So it got locked behind 
registration and passwords. There! Take that civilization progress!

But happily not all professors take the view of profit over progress. 
And a Princeton professor who strongly supports open access to 
scientific research provided me with a password. So if those of us stick 
together who believe that research demands open access to information 
for the progress of the world, much of the censorship that has been 
controlling science for so long can be circumvented.

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#360809

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#360867

On 8/14/2015 3:01 PM, benj wrote:
> So if those of us stick
> together who believe that research demands open access to information
> for the progress of the world, much of the censorship that has been
> controlling science for so long can be circumvented.


BJ stop being such a drama queen, you faggot.

I've already said that I will provide anyone who wants it, access to all 
physics literature.

You mad now?


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#360758

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:06:25 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> 
> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not 
> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the 
> shelved materials.
>

You are advocating a giant step backward into the idiocy of the past.

All information, bar none, should be accessible from the comfort
of my desktop.  That's the whole fscking point of the so-called
INTERNET (the information superhighway, remember?).  The fact that
universal and free access is taking so fscking long to implement,
even though it's perfectly possible to do so right now, is a testament
to the inexcusable intransigence exhibited by contemporary men.

We have scientific publishing houses stubbornly clinging to their
easy source of income.  The world, however, is changing drastically.
It's time for these folks to seek their profit elsewhere (maybe
selling ice cream from a truck?).

If I see a link, I should be able to simply click and have the article
IMMEDIATELY.  There's no need for libraries that house THOUSANDS OF
TONS of obsolete paper.  But currently all I get is a goddamned
pay wall.  This practice has got to die.

Information is free.  There is no justification whatsoever
for sci publishers. (But Odd Ball will certainly attempt to
find one.)

The Google Books Library Project should be lauded, but all recent
information should be, and should have been been, all DIGITAL.
Use trees for fscking toothpicks and toilet paper, not books and
journals. 

Note: using Djvu compression ( http://djvu.org ) I can compress
150 dpi 8"x5" scanned documents to 12 kilobytes and I have been
doing this for a long, long time.  Years and years of paperwork
can be kept on a thumb drive.  C'mon world.  Get your asses moving.

 

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#360766

On 14 Aug 2015 19:13:40 GMT, Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain>
wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:06:25 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> 
>> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not 
>> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the 
>> shelved materials.
>>
>
>You are advocating a giant step backward into the idiocy of the past.
>
>All information, bar none, should be accessible from the comfort
>of my desktop.  That's the whole fscking point of the so-called
>INTERNET (the information superhighway, remember?).  The fact that
>universal and free access is taking so fscking long to implement,
>even though it's perfectly possible to do so right now, is a testament
>to the inexcusable intransigence exhibited by contemporary men.
>
>We have scientific publishing houses stubbornly clinging to their
>easy source of income.  The world, however, is changing drastically.
>It's time for these folks to seek their profit elsewhere (maybe
>selling ice cream from a truck?).
>
>If I see a link, I should be able to simply click and have the article
>IMMEDIATELY.  There's no need for libraries that house THOUSANDS OF
>TONS of obsolete paper.  But currently all I get is a goddamned
>pay wall.  This practice has got to die.
>
>Information is free.  There is no justification whatsoever
>for sci publishers. (But Odd Ball will certainly attempt to
>find one.)

          You are dreaming the impossible dream, because
it costs money to produce, collect and manage information,
and nobody is able to do it for nothing (if they like to eat
on the money they earn).


>The Google Books Library Project should be lauded, but all recent
>information should be, and should have been been, all DIGITAL.
>Use trees for fscking toothpicks and toilet paper, not books and
>journals. 
>
>Note: using Djvu compression ( http://djvu.org ) I can compress
>150 dpi 8"x5" scanned documents to 12 kilobytes and I have been
>doing this for a long, long time.  Years and years of paperwork
>can be kept on a thumb drive.  C'mon world.  Get your asses moving.


          Until the drive gets erased or fails.
Sixty years ago, discounts were the fad,
now dummies and leftist liberals want
everything free, the fad now is freebies,
and some are worth less than the cost.


 

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#360768

kefischer wrote:

>           You are dreaming the impossible dream, because
> it costs money to produce, collect and manage information,
> and nobody is able to do it for nothing (if they like to eat on the
> money they earn).

You are perpetuating a lie here. It cannot possibly costs money, but 
mostly some work. (and/or eventually some heat)

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#360782

On 8/14/2015 2:51 PM, Eteocles Panagakos wrote:
> kefischer wrote:
>
>>            You are dreaming the impossible dream, because
>> it costs money to produce, collect and manage information,
>> and nobody is able to do it for nothing (if they like to eat on the
>> money they earn).
>
> You are perpetuating a lie here. It cannot possibly costs money, but
> mostly some work. (and/or eventually some heat)
>

There are online journals and publishers that don't charge you a penny 
to access their information.

The first kind are non-profits like CK12.org, which was founded on the 
premise that schoolbooks should be digital and free. They are funded 
primarily by a very wealthy sponsor (one of the founders of Sun 
Microsystems, since sold to Oracle for billions), though they also take 
a small donation stream. They don't have any long-term business plan. 
Wikimedia is another example.

The second kind are vanity publishers. They don't charge the readers. 
They charge the authors. If you are an author and you care more about 
visibility than you do about money, then you pay a vanity publisher to 
publish your work digitally. The publisher will add no value except for 
the URL and a way to navigate to your publication.

In both cases, the quality of the content is a crap-shoot, and mostly on 
the craps side.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#360788

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:22:53 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> 
> There are online journals and publishers that don't charge you a penny 
> to access their information.
> 
> The first kind are non-profits
>
> The second kind are vanity publishers.
> 
> In both cases, the quality of the content is a crap-shoot,
>

You ain't no fscking authority on Internet content.

You overlook that most academic and government institutions publish
high quality and often cutting-edge material.  The MIT Open Courseware
project is only one of many examples.

You obviously only follow the "click bait" links, designed for naive
patsies such as you, and have developed this jaundiced view of the
current state.

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#360792

On 8/14/2015 3:39 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:22:53 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> There are online journals and publishers that don't charge you a penny
>> to access their information.
>>
>> The first kind are non-profits.
>>
>> The second kind are vanity publishers.
>>
>> In both cases, the quality of the content is a crap-shoot,
>>
>
> You ain't no fscking authority on Internet content.
>
> You overlook that most academic and government institutions publish
> high quality and often cutting-edge material.  The MIT Open Courseware
> project is only one of many examples.

I'm not saying there is no high-quality content on the internet. There 
is. Some of it is even free, though not much the high quality content 
is. You yourself stated that your first response to my post -- lamenting 
the fact that the lion's share of the high-quality content is behind a 
pay-wall.

And this does not change the fact that MOST of the free content on the 
internet is crap.

So, if you are savvy enough and know enough about a subject ALREADY to 
suss out which free resources are good and which resources are bad, then 
good on ya. But if you know that already, then you don't need the 
information much anyway. The ones that need the information the most are 
also the ones that can't tell the difference between unspoiled and 
rotten food in the dumpster, and so it's unwise for them to go to the 
internet dumpster for their intellectual nutrition.

>
> You obviously only follow the "click bait" links, designed for naive
> patsies such as you, and have developed this jaundiced view of the
> current state.
>

No, I don't follow click-bait links. But they sure are there in a lot of 
free internet resources, aren't there? So what I do is go to where the 
highest concentration of quality resources are, predominantly. As a 
result, I spend very little time mining for gold in the dumpster.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#360793

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:09:14 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> 
> No, I don't follow click-bait links. But they sure are there in a lot of 
> free internet resources, aren't there?
>

They exist largely because most people, instead of educating themselves
into digital and network principles, have taken your golden advice,
as stated on this forum, and allowed the Internet companies to do it
all for them.

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#360796

On 8/14/2015 4:14 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:09:14 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> No, I don't follow click-bait links. But they sure are there in a lot of
>> free internet resources, aren't there?
>>
>
> They exist largely because most people, instead of educating themselves
> into digital and network principles, have taken your golden advice,
> as stated on this forum, and allowed the Internet companies to do it
> all for them.
>

"The internet companies". LOL.

So you believe that this country would be better off as a nation of 
yeoman network admins, a la Thomas Jefferson?

Tell me: Have you built your own fiber to the backbone? Did you build 
your own DNS? What about your web browser. Did you write that?

You adorable little hypocrite, you.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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