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The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.

Started byHGW <HW@home.net>
First post2018-03-09 09:48 +1100
Last post2018-04-19 11:10 -0700
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  The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-09 09:48 +1100
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-08 17:58 -0600
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-10 09:32 +1100
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-13 11:35 -0500
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-14 10:02 +1100
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-15 17:05 +0000
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-16 09:30 +1100
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-16 04:38 +0000
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 16:03 -0700
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-16 19:38 +1100
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 04:28 -0700
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-17 13:14 +1100
                    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-17 02:45 -0700
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-17 16:23 +0000
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-18 11:55 +1100
                        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-17 19:20 -0700
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-15 21:45 -0500
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-17 13:12 +1100
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-16 22:35 -0500
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-16 20:59 -0700
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-18 12:05 +1100
                    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 16:55 -0700
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-20 22:21 -0700
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-22 08:34 +1100
                        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-21 15:31 -0700
                          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-23 08:56 +1100
                            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:41 +0000
                              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-26 09:20 +1100
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 00:44 +0000
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-08 20:04 -0600
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:27 -0800
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:50 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-10 09:21 +1100
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-09 22:40 +0000
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-09 15:04 -0800
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-10 19:51 +1100
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-10 22:13 +0000
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-11 09:42 +1100
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-10 22:51 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 12:03 +0000
          Re:'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 12:30 +0000
            Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-13 22:28 -0500
              Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-14 16:06 +1100
              Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-17 17:19 -0700
                Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-18 01:26 +0100
                  Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-17 17:34 -0700
                    Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-17 17:35 -0700
                    Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-18 01:38 +0100
                      Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-17 17:49 -0700
                        Re: 'J'ai dube ' (pardon my French ' I ADJUST ') ...... The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder.'a Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-18 01:55 +0100
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 16:51 -0800
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-09 17:35 -0800
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-10 20:20 +1100
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-10 18:48 -0800
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-12 10:03 +1100
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-03-11 19:29 -0400
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-12 12:03 +1100
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-03-11 21:43 -0400
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-11 22:20 -0700
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-12 20:53 +1100
                    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-12 06:47 -0700
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-12 14:29 +0000
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-13 09:13 +1100
                        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-12 16:57 -0700
                          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-12 22:29 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-10 14:16 -0800
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 15:49 +0000
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-19 09:20 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-20 14:19 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-21 13:00 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-21 17:01 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-22 15:21 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 17:37 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 16:04 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 10:29 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 16:30 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-24 01:27 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-24 12:54 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-24 21:09 +0000
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 14:39 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-24 15:18 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-24 23:21 +0100
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 15:58 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:41 +0000
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:27 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 12:02 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 19:32 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 18:36 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 00:20 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-03-26 19:53 +1100
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 12:17 +0000
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-03-26 12:53 +0000
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 01:32 -0700
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 22:02 -0700
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-30 22:24 -0700
                  Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 23:43 -0700
                    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 09:47 -0700
                      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 09:50 -0700
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-26 08:19 -0500
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-26 13:22 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-28 10:06 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:33 -0700
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 12:53 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-28 13:14 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:44 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 21:59 +0000
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 16:40 -0700
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 19:11 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-28 14:54 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-28 15:01 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 22:04 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-28 15:39 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-28 23:49 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-29 11:11 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 20:21 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 20:25 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Will Bos <sllu@wsws.sb> - 2018-03-30 11:00 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-29 13:27 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 15:09 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-03-29 18:20 -0400
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-29 22:26 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-29 18:25 -0500
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Will Bos <sllu@wsws.sb> - 2018-03-30 11:26 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 10:48 +0100
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-03-31 14:24 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 21:54 +0000
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-03-31 19:13 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 09:21 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 10:06 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 18:01 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-02 13:10 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 21:32 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 09:37 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 10:08 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-04 13:32 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 10:16 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 11:50 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 12:19 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-04 15:45 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 08:52 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 13:31 -0400
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 11:51 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 08:55 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 09:31 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 13:35 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 10:15 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 10:38 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 13:57 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 10:43 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 14:01 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 11:02 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 14:10 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 11:17 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 14:28 -0400
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-05 16:02 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 11:20 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-05 14:29 -0400
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 12:59 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 13:00 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 13:03 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 13:05 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-04-05 13:07 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 09:49 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 10:48 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-06 14:51 -0400
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 19:07 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 11:23 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 14:02 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 11:41 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 12:43 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 13:15 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 13:58 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 13:22 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 13:59 -0700
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-06 18:35 -0400
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-06 15:56 -0700
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-06 22:29 -0500
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-06 23:55 -0400
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 14:46 +0000
                Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-08 10:32 -0500
              Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-08 10:59 -0500
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 22:31 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 19:07 -0700
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-06 22:43 -0500
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 14:52 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 14:57 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 19:06 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-07 16:28 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-07 16:48 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 01:33 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-07 22:44 -0400
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn> - 2018-04-08 10:01 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-07 16:50 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-08 03:43 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 09:06 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 17:40 +0000
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn> - 2018-04-09 20:02 +0000
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 11:58 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-09 12:10 -0700
        Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Gaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn> - 2018-04-09 19:54 +0000
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-09 20:22 +0000
            Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 21:32 +0000
          Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:11 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:10 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 12:28 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 09:15 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 13:28 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. jms74@humboldt.edu - 2018-04-11 13:46 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 19:28 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 19:29 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 19:36 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-12 12:45 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-12 13:03 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 10:24 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 10:30 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 10:35 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 11:28 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 12:19 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 10:59 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 14:55 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 15:20 -0700
      Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:24 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 16:39 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 10:04 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 10:29 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 13:44 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 16:04 -0700
    Re: The Experiment That Destroys SR and its Founder. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-04-19 11:10 -0700

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#455130

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-04-08 10:59 -0500
Message-ID<k46dnZa7ZOLVoVfHnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#455028
On 4/6/18 10:55 PM, Volney wrote:
> What about muons? They are pretty much an obese electron, with 206x the 
> mass. Electrons can't penetrate the skin but they have to put neutrino 
> detectors in salt mines to protect them from cosmic ray muons going 
> through 1000+ feet of rock.  Does the mass difference make that much 
> difference in penetrating power or does the muon have some other 
> superpower?

LOW-ENERGY electrons cannot penetrate the skin, but medium and high 
energy electrons certainly can. Electrons with energies below a few keV 
do not penetrate the skin -- ionization energy loss stops them in less 
than 1 mm or so. But a 1 MeV electron from beta decay of a radioactive 
nucleus has a range of about 1 cm in the human body, and A 1 GeV 
electron will shower in the body (putting electrons out the back).

	Those few-MeV electrons can be shielded with a 2-3 mm
	thick piece of steel. It takes a lot more to shield
	1 GeV electrons.

There are three primary energy-loss mechanisms for electrons: 
ionization, bremsstrahlung radiation, and pair production. Ionization is 
negligible above a few MeV for electrons (because the others dominate). 
The energy released in brems from different particles is proportional to 
1/(mass)^4, so is a billion times smaller for muons than for electrons 
with the same energy. Pair production is negligible for electrons below 
a few MeV, and for muons below a few TeV (note the difference in energy 
scale by a factor of a million).

For muons between below 1 TeV, the only energy-loss mechanism is 
ionization of the material through which it is passing. That is, the 
passing muon "kicks" electrons out of nearby atoms. This heats the 
material and reduces the muon's energy. It takes a lot of rock to range 
out the very high-energy cosmic ray muons.

Tom Roberts

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#455008

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-06 22:31 +0000
Message-ID<pa8sgn$qpu$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#454987
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
> Protons that have a mass 10,000 times greater than an electron cannot
> propagate through skin without producing a hole.
> 

First of all it’s 2000, not 10,000. 
Secondly, the cosmic ray flux is about 90% protons and about 1 cosmic ray
passes the rough your head every second. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#455022

FromSteve BH <sbharris@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-06 19:07 -0700
Message-ID<763412ff-310e-4813-a180-285d66c90d57@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455008
On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:31:55 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Protons that have a mass 10,000 times greater than an electron cannot
> > propagate through skin without producing a hole.
> > 
> 
> First of all it’s 2000, not 10,000. 
> Secondly, the cosmic ray flux is about 90% protons and about 1 cosmic ray
> passes the rough your head every second. 

In that case, maybe holes.

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#455027

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2018-04-06 22:43 -0500
Message-ID<LM2dnXKQT97wo1XHnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#455008
On 4/6/18 5:31 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Secondly, the cosmic ray flux is about 90% protons and about 1 cosmic ray
> passes the rough your head every second.

The flux hitting the upper atmosphere is ~ 90% protons. Here on the 
ground it is > 90% muons (ignoring the neutrinos which are virtually 
undetectable). One per second through your head is a rough estimate of 
the muon rate. But muons interact so little that this is not a problem, 
except for sensitive scientific detectors -- this is why some detectors 
are put deep underground (a kilometer of rock stops the great majority 
of the cosmic-ray muons).

	Evolution has, of course, adapted life on earth to this
	cosmic ray flux.... In particular, most organisms have
	extensive molecular repair mechanisms.

Tom Roberts

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#455000

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-06 14:52 -0700
Message-ID<61fd8d40-4d5d-4bbb-8adc-f25fb02ab8b9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
Protons (1.672621898(21)×10^−27 kg) that have a mass 1,888 times greater than an electron (9.10938356(11)×10^−31 kg) cannot propagate through skin without producing a hole in the skin and tissue. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_tissue#/media/File:414_Skeletal_Smooth_Cardiac.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=skin&safe=active&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS791US791&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL7s650KbaAhVQXKwKHYVoBfMQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=949#imgrc=zIuySZ8EJxjH3M:

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#455002

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-06 14:57 -0700
Message-ID<29a65832-b346-4133-bfad-400eca608c5d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
A proton beam used in protons therapy where the protons (1.672621898(21)×10^−27 kg) have a mass 1,888 times greater than an electron (9.10938356(11)×10^−31 kg) cannot propagate through the incident skin and tissue without producing a hole in skin and tissue. 



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_tissue#/media/File:414_Skeletal_Smooth_Cardiac.jpg 

https://www.google.com/search?q=skin&safe=active&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS791US791&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL7s650KbaAhVQXKwKHYVoBfMQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=949#imgrc=zIuySZ8EJxjH3M:

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#455021

FromSteve BH <sbharris@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-06 19:06 -0700
Message-ID<f8785369-224a-4ec2-ad7d-858de348e929@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455002
On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:57:51 PM UTC-7, numbernu...@gmail.com wrote:
> A proton beam used in protons therapy where the protons (1.672621898(21)×10^−27 kg) have a mass 1,888 times greater than an electron (9.10938356(11)×10^−31 kg) cannot propagate through the incident skin and tissue without producing a hole in skin and tissue. 
> 
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_tissue#/media/File:414_Skeletal_Smooth_Cardiac.jpg 
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=skin&safe=active&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS791US791&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL7s650KbaAhVQXKwKHYVoBfMQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=949#imgrc=zIuySZ8EJxjH3M:

1836.152674 times.  

No holes.

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#455089

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-07 16:28 -0700
Message-ID<0d86c1ac-8618-4bb0-bcf9-41856d5df3c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
The CERN large hadron collider LHC (2017), is based on the collision of two hadron beams that are composed of protons but a proton beam consists of ionized hydrogen gas molecules but the ionization of the highly volatile hydrogen gas would result in an explosion. Proton beam therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron cannot propagate through human skin and tissue without producing a hole. 


__________________________________________________________



If you concentrate a cosmic ray to that of an arc welder's electron beam, cosmic rays would also produce a hole.

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#455092

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-07 16:48 -0700
Message-ID<8723c004-d021-48af-bee8-089adc7f5079@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
Proton therapy is either gamma rays, micro waves or radio waves. Maybe cancer cells do not like Mozart.

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#455098

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-08 01:33 +0000
Message-ID<pabrgj$1lni$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#455092
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
> Proton therapy is either gamma rays, micro waves or radio waves. Maybe
> cancer cells do not like Mozart.
> 

It’s none of those things. What’s wrong with you?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#455099

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-04-07 22:44 -0400
Message-ID<GmfyC.10381$rz2.6442@fx08.iad>
In reply to#455098
On 4/7/2018 9:33 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Proton therapy is either gamma rays, micro waves or radio waves. Maybe
>> cancer cells do not like Mozart.
>>
> 
> It’s none of those things. What’s wrong with you?
> 
Remember Odd, that while gamma rays and radio waves can cross space, 
Heat cannot because space is just like a Thermos bottle! This is Nobel 
level Imperial Thinking! Oh Ya!

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#455108

FromGaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn>
Date2018-04-08 10:01 +0000
Message-ID<pacp9k$12us$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#455099
benj wrote:

> Remember Odd, that while gamma rays and radio waves can cross space,
> Heat cannot because space is just like a Thermos bottle! This is Nobel
> level Imperial Thinking! Oh Ya!

Heat is radio waves. Must be something you dont know. Wait till they roll 
out the 5G, so you don't need to pay for heat.

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#455093

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-07 16:50 -0700
Message-ID<b8f6158e-e709-4a5a-aa5c-a4cdf88eb00c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
No holes. No protons

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#455101

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-04-08 03:43 +0000
Message-ID<pac35s$2q4$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#455093
numbernumber1964@gmail.com writes:

>Proton therapy is either gamma rays, micro waves or radio waves. Maybe 
>cancer cells do not like Mozart.

Why would you say that? Considering how they are made and accelerated, 
they are obviously protons.

>No holes. No protons

Why would you think protons would leave holes? They are much smaller than
individual atoms.  Obviously if there were too strong of a beam the
deposited energy could burn a hole, but that would sort of defeat the
purpose of proton therapy.

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#455263

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-09 09:06 -0700
Message-ID<652bb418-97db-4e44-bfcf-3bc37fc54917@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
Why would you think protons would leave holes?...
\____________________________________


Arc welder. 

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#455271

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-04-09 17:40 +0000
Message-ID<pag8ja$1221$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#455263
<numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why would you think protons would leave holes?...
> \____________________________________
> 
> 
> Arc welder. 
> 

I think you ask yourself what the difference is between a proton beam and
an arc welder. They aren’t identical and don’t have the same effect. 

You might as well be saying that eyeglasses can’t be lenses, because
magnifying lenses can be used to burn holes in paper and so eyeglasses
would burn holes in eyes. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#455289

FromGaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn>
Date2018-04-09 20:02 +0000
Message-ID<paggsc$1fvb$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#455271
Odd Bodkin wrote:

> <numbernumber1964@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why would you think protons would leave holes?... Arc welder.
>
> I think you ask yourself what the difference is between a proton beam
> and an arc welder. They aren’t identical and don’t have the same effect.
> You might as well be saying that eyeglasses can’t be lenses, because
> magnifying lenses can be used to burn holes in paper and so eyeglasses
> would burn holes in eyes.

The stupidest argument posed as a contradiction, read today. Eye glasses 
ARE lenses. That's exactly why they work.

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#455280

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-04-09 11:58 -0700
Message-ID<28d1e108-3408-4be5-ae1c-e87efea94da5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#452013
Does an electron have a mass and charge, and, does a proton have a mass and charge? Here is a way to maybe convince you that what I am saying is correct (everything). Get a 50kW taser that produces an electron beam and place your finger in the beam and as you are doing this think of me.

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#455282

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2018-04-09 12:10 -0700
Message-ID<ca214d67-15a2-4d60-bb17-99d2c7c23dc9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455280
On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 12:58:20 PM UTC-6, numbnutz wrote:
>
> Does an electron have a mass and charge, and, does a proton have a mass
> and charge? Here is a way to maybe convince you that what I am saying is
> correct (everything). Get a 50kW taser that produces an electron beam
> and place your finger in the beam and as you are doing this think of me.

Are photons electrons?

Lasers don't produce electron beams, numbnuts.

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#455287

FromGaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn>
Date2018-04-09 19:54 +0000
Message-ID<paggdd$1fvb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#455282
Gary Harnagel wrote:

> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 12:58:20 PM UTC-6, numbnutz wrote:
>>
>> Does an electron have a mass and charge, and, does a proton have a mass
>> and charge? Here is a way to maybe convince you that what I am saying
>> is correct (everything). Get a 50kW taser that produces an electron
>> beam and place your finger in the beam and as you are doing this think
>> of me.
> 
> Are photons electrons?
> Lasers don't produce electron beams, numbnuts.

Lets whether you know how laser light is produced, numbnut. I am working 
on a laser in my arduino right now, and it feels wonderful.

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